See this guy knows his shit. People are have no common sense. When it’s cold, the engine runs lean not rich. I completely agree, use the same plug all year. When its cold, richen your engine a little, don’t lean it for fuck sake. Great video brother.
I kept a bottle of sidewinder in a controlled environment at 72 degrees for ten years just to see what would happen. It was exactly he same. I called morgan fuels about it and they said, if you keep it at the same temp consistently, it should last 20 years or more. They also said to keep it off of concrete floors. Makes sense. Anyway, I thought it was interesting.
Man if I see -20 here Armageddon is a go. Shit-cago is the furthest North I have worked. I don't care for the snow, but now I walk around like a Yankee on vacation during the winter months.
Informative video and your right for the most part. There a few things I would like to add to it if you wouldn't mind. In actuality the humidity ( moisture) doesn't pass through the plastic, But rather comes in through the air exchange when you open the container and or a bad positive seal on it over time. About the " oil separation" you spoke of is actually the other way around. Water is heavier than oil and will solidify out at the bottom of the container. Just like an automotive engine with a severe coolant leak into the oil when you pull the plug on the pan you will get the water out first. The thickening of the fuel at sub freezing conditions will be from the caster oil, the synthetic component of the oill package tends to stay fluid at those tempetures as the lower "0w" number of multi viscosity engine oil does. For those fuel and exaust pressure coolers will see no benefit for the most part, the only logical positive use that may be as in a long race where the cooler would try to remove heat that the pressure line, exaust pipe, engine etc. Puts into it to keep the evaporation rate low as possible, not to get more than you would expect from a set amount of fuel but rather to control the loss of it. I typically do not run my rigs in freezing conditions, however one possible issue I have seen happen to other equiptment is the buildup of ice on the outer part of the jet tube causing throttle problems. The very low tempetures combined with the evaporational cooling of the fuel could compound the issues further literally freezing the humidity right out of the air and effectively turning the end of the jet tube into a snow cone. I hope this helps.👊
I appreciate the input! Yet it's just I've been seeing a lot of people recently and I've got the question several times about putting your fuel in the freezer and all this other racket And for your average guy that's just going out there trying to have fun its absolutely pointless I could understand temperature control but the rest of it that people have come up with lately is just been ridiculous!
@@Mad_Scientist2052 I have to ask where you want some old Internet forms from Maybe about 10 years ago because I believe I've seen your name pop up here and there
Thanks for the kind words brother and not sure if I ever saw that video or not but I couldn't find anything on the Internet about it and got bombarded with questions that drove me all the way up the damn wall! Lol
@@thebug4046 i doent blame ya bro i do vids like this as well when i start seeing all these noobies beliving what some diots tell them great job ya did
I’ve always hear something about if you leave a bottle of your nitro fuel on the garage floor/concrete that it will ruin the fuel. I don’t know the reasoning behind that claim or why it would but it doesn’t make sense to me in any way. Figured I ask you since you seem to be very knowledgeable. I’ve been in this hobby for quite sometime on and off since I was 6yrs old now 38 and still learning. This stuff never gets old. Let me k ow if you e ever heard this before and if u know why then I’d love to know. Thanks bro!
Yeah that's the thing is polyethylene can pass moisture through it it might sound ridiculous but it is actually true If to a point depending on the situation it can take on Moisture
This is one of those topics that someone like myself can take for granted that everyone already knows about (because of the experience/education). But after watching the vid, it is a perfect topic to bring up. New to the hobby, lesser experienced or even folks that have been in the hobby but, just takes “uncle Neds” unfortunate advice as gospel (because they don’t know any better), need to have proper advice to turn to. The only benefit that these “coolers” may have (on the fuel side, not the pressure line side) that Bug didn’t mention, is that they may add fuel capacity to the system. A simple “trick” that we used back in the day (still do at times) is to add additional fuel line and/or more or larger fuel strainers (aka filters) to the system for a little added run time. In big races that have strict rules about tank size and length of fuel line do not/may not allow this addition but for bashing and club races/races that have less rules, would allow you to do this. So, if there is a claim to have longer run times from these “coolers”, it is simply because they may add volume/capacity to the fuel system. I hope you don’t mind me adding a little info to the topic Bug. As always, thanks for taking the time to put the content/topic out there. Nice vid💪🏻
Hey man I completely understand where you're coming from and a lot of the time what people do is they leave the fuel line itself longer that goes to the carbrater that way if you flip it will run for a while so you can get up to it and turn it back on its wheels again. On the exhaust side it doesn't really help much. I am going to buy one of those coolers and a temperature gun and do some comparison videos later on when the weather isn't so bad. Yet as well as make sure the lines and everything are the exact same length as they were before just for shirs and I am going to cool a bit of fuel and do so test runs Against ambient temperature fuel. I did this a few years ago but didn't make a video
I love how you did this video and honestly I can agree last time I left my fuel in the garage over winter it separated it self got really gummy and messed up my truck I can see this going very similar and it was around-40 many days of the winter
Can you do a video/explanation at some point about running nitros in cold weather? I have heard many conflicting opinions and claims about running in cold temps
Honestly nothing just marketing. the off road stuff is 10% the on road stuff is 9% lol all in all 1% oil it doesn't really matter just keep your oil 12% or less
More or less agree but 100% on gadgets to cool it is true that it is completely useless May I say that in winter I use a slightly different approach for tuning yes I have to change the glow plug temperature because otherwise the engine shuts off when I hit full on the throttle. A no 5 plug just stop no4 no3 work bether wit m'y hpi savage engine Cooling down the gas will surely not help me 😅
Ode to the Internet trolls who are experts of none and bullshit is abundant. Anybody who has ever tried to make two stroke in the winter time with Castor Will know how bad of an idea this is like cold maple syrup.
I'm in the Vancouver area of Canada and I just go get it at the hobby shop for about $60 sometimes it's more expensive depending where you go unfortunately
Hey there remember that os max 12cv abn engine that i was asking you about the flaky cylinder well i found out that the guy i bought it off said he had only run two or three tanks through it and he was using model technics 16% which he said has synthetic oil in and a really low amount of caster so i know why the cylinder is patchy. So will the cylinder be a total write off or will i still be able to use it. Its basically a new engine. Them fuel coolers I don’t buy into stuff like that. The only up side to having one is you may get a little increase in tank pressure.
I am using optifuel 16% with 15% caster oil is that ok or would you add a bit to it i run these os abn engines on the rich and oily side just to be saft + if its cold i will heat the engine with a hair dryer for about 5 mins as i beleve that most of the damage is done when they are cold.
@@David-069 15% castor oil is absolutely fine. And a preheat when cold out definitely helps. But a low oil full synthetic fuel is what damages the abn engines
@@thebug4046 that's what I have read all the reviews seem good. And its cheaper than the losi 5t that is $1599. Then roven is just over 500 for what I'm looking at.
Not gonna help anything they tried making those back in the day and it did absolutely nothing added absolutely nothing it's still the same ambient air temperature outside as when it enters the engine
Unless your garage is hitting - 80 that don't worry about it freezing lol but yes for the most part Is minus stored inside in a cupboard Away from damp
See this guy knows his shit. People are have no common sense. When it’s cold, the engine runs lean not rich. I completely agree, use the same plug all year. When its cold, richen your engine a little, don’t lean it for fuck sake. Great video brother.
Exactly! And thanks man! There is so much false information about it unfortunately that's why I make these videos 💯🍻
I kept a bottle of sidewinder in a controlled environment at 72 degrees for ten years just to see what would happen. It was exactly he same. I called morgan fuels about it and they said, if you keep it at the same temp consistently, it should last 20 years or more. They also said to keep it off of concrete floors. Makes sense. Anyway, I thought it was interesting.
Yup! It's true! I have had a gallon sitting around for a few years no problem
Sidewinder fuel good for the 3.3? What's a good percentage? Broke the motor in traxxas 20%
Fuel cooler just a placebo, but looks good.
Exactly
@@thebug4046 glad I found your channel, nice and chill and to the point.
@@Alt.F4. thanks for watchin! 😎🍻💯
I could only imagine cold fuel in Florida on an average day.... 90° @ 90% humidity is not going to end well.
I have ran in 100° weather to -20 without issue. I never had a problem. Just normal adjustments for weather changes
Man if I see -20 here Armageddon is a go. Shit-cago is the furthest North I have worked. I don't care for the snow, but now I walk around like a Yankee on vacation during the winter months.
@@stephencarlisle6339 hahaha! It gets-50 in some aires here
Nope I will stay right here in Pensacola Florida
@@stephencarlisle6339 🤣🤣
Ooo do I miss my mccoy plugs ran them for many many years in my opinion best plug up there with the os plugs
Agreed!
Informative video and your right for the most part. There a few things I would like to add to it if you wouldn't mind. In actuality the humidity ( moisture) doesn't pass through the plastic, But rather comes in through the air exchange when you open the container and or a bad positive seal on it over time. About the " oil separation" you spoke of is actually the other way around. Water is heavier than oil and will solidify out at the bottom of the container. Just like an automotive engine with a severe coolant leak into the oil when you pull the plug on the pan you will get the water out first. The thickening of the fuel at sub freezing conditions will be from the caster oil, the synthetic component of the oill package tends to stay fluid at those tempetures as the lower "0w" number of multi viscosity engine oil does. For those fuel and exaust pressure coolers will see no benefit for the most part, the only logical positive use that may be as in a long race where the cooler would try to remove heat that the pressure line, exaust pipe, engine etc. Puts into it to keep the evaporation rate low as possible, not to get more than you would expect from a set amount of fuel but rather to control the loss of it. I typically do not run my rigs in freezing conditions, however one possible issue I have seen happen to other equiptment is the buildup of ice on the outer part of the jet tube causing throttle problems. The very low tempetures combined with the evaporational cooling of the fuel could compound the issues further literally freezing the humidity right out of the air and effectively turning the end of the jet tube into a snow cone. I hope this helps.👊
I appreciate the input! Yet it's just I've been seeing a lot of people recently and I've got the question several times about putting your fuel in the freezer and all this other racket And for your average guy that's just going out there trying to have fun its absolutely pointless I could understand temperature control but the rest of it that people have come up with lately is just been ridiculous!
@@thebug4046 yes, your right. It is.
@@Mad_Scientist2052 I have to ask where you want some old Internet forms from Maybe about 10 years ago because I believe I've seen your name pop up here and there
@@thebug4046 I am not sure what your asking, you mean old fourms on the net? It's very possible, I've been around. Which one are you refering to?
@@thebug4046 one of these days I'll have to talk to you on the phone.
gotta love all the myths some of these people come up with lol great vid bro i covered this same topic almost 2 years ago
Thanks for the kind words brother and not sure if I ever saw that video or not but I couldn't find anything on the Internet about it and got bombarded with questions that drove me all the way up the damn wall! Lol
@@thebug4046 i doent blame ya bro i do vids like this as well when i start seeing all these noobies beliving what some diots tell them great job ya did
@@NitroFreak i seen! And you're on point 100% it's guys like you and me that Squash the beef
@@thebug4046 hell ya brother
I’ve always hear something about if you leave a bottle of your nitro fuel on the garage floor/concrete that it will ruin the fuel. I don’t know the reasoning behind that claim or why it would but it doesn’t make sense to me in any way. Figured I ask you since you seem to be very knowledgeable. I’ve been in this hobby for quite sometime on and off since I was 6yrs old now 38 and still learning. This stuff never gets old. Let me k ow if you e ever heard this before and if u know why then I’d love to know. Thanks bro!
Yeah that's the thing is polyethylene can pass moisture through it it might sound ridiculous but it is actually true If to a point depending on the situation it can take on Moisture
Believe it’s something with the temperature changing of the concrete, causing precipitation in the can
This is one of those topics that someone like myself can take for granted that everyone already knows about (because of the experience/education). But after watching the vid, it is a perfect topic to bring up. New to the hobby, lesser experienced or even folks that have been in the hobby but, just takes “uncle Neds” unfortunate advice as gospel (because they don’t know any better), need to have proper advice to turn to.
The only benefit that these “coolers” may have (on the fuel side, not the pressure line side) that Bug didn’t mention, is that they may add fuel capacity to the system. A simple “trick” that we used back in the day (still do at times) is to add additional fuel line and/or more or larger fuel strainers (aka filters) to the system for a little added run time. In big races that have strict rules about tank size and length of fuel line do not/may not allow this addition but for bashing and club races/races that have less rules, would allow you to do this. So, if there is a claim to have longer run times from these “coolers”, it is simply because they may add volume/capacity to the fuel system.
I hope you don’t mind me adding a little info to the topic Bug. As always, thanks for taking the time to put the content/topic out there. Nice vid💪🏻
Hey man I completely understand where you're coming from and a lot of the time what people do is they leave the fuel line itself longer that goes to the carbrater that way if you flip it will run for a while so you can get up to it and turn it back on its wheels again. On the exhaust side it doesn't really help much. I am going to buy one of those coolers and a temperature gun and do some comparison videos later on when the weather isn't so bad. Yet as well as make sure the lines and everything are the exact same length as they were before just for shirs and I am going to cool a bit of fuel and do so test runs Against ambient temperature fuel. I did this a few years ago but didn't make a video
I love how you did this video and honestly I can agree last time I left my fuel in the garage over winter it separated it self got really gummy and messed up my truck I can see this going very similar and it was around-40 many days of the winter
Can you do a video/explanation at some point about running nitros in cold weather? I have heard many conflicting opinions and claims about running in cold temps
I can do that. I think I made a video about it but can't remember
@@thebug4046 I tried looking for one but couldn’t find one
@@paulspomer16 ah gotcha well time for another video
@@thebug4046 Haha excellent! Can’t wait
@@paulspomer16 will be up late today some time. KBN 🍻
What is the difference between off-road and on-road nitro fuel?….
Honestly nothing just marketing. the off road stuff is 10% the on road stuff is 9% lol all in all 1% oil it doesn't really matter just keep your oil 12% or less
@@thebug4046 thanks for the help!
@@nitrozack3062 no problem!
Hell yeah!
I cant wait for snow here I love running my nitros in the winter
Is that a team associated GT10 ?? Just curious, I have one with a trx .15 on it and I clocked it at 45mph lastnight
It sure is! They are a great engine and reliable. I have a trx 15 in my rc10gt with a SH 18 carb it's awesome
More or less agree but 100% on gadgets to cool it is true that it is completely useless May I say that in winter I use a slightly different approach for tuning yes I have to change the glow plug temperature because otherwise the engine shuts off when I hit full on the throttle. A no 5 plug just stop no4 no3 work bether wit m'y hpi savage engine Cooling down the gas will surely not help me 😅
Haha definitely not! If anything you want at room temperature that way it helps to animize properly
Ode to the Internet trolls who are experts of none and bullshit is abundant. Anybody who has ever tried to make two stroke in the winter time with Castor Will know how bad of an idea this is like cold maple syrup.
Yup! I have had it sink to the bottom before when it's cold out
where did you get a gallon of sidewinder here in south fl its like 30$ for a small bottle?
I'm in the Vancouver area of Canada and I just go get it at the hobby shop for about $60 sometimes it's more expensive depending where you go unfortunately
Hey there remember that os max 12cv abn engine that i was asking you about the flaky cylinder well i found out that the guy i bought it off said he had only run two or three tanks through it and he was using model technics 16% which he said has synthetic oil in and a really low amount of caster so i know why the cylinder is patchy. So will the cylinder be a total write off or will i still be able to use it. Its basically a new engine. Them fuel coolers I don’t buy into stuff like that. The only up side to having one is you may get a little increase in tank pressure.
If it still good compression and runs add extra caster oil and run it. Not much else you can do
I am using optifuel 16% with 15% caster oil is that ok or would you add a bit to it i run these os abn engines on the rich and oily side just to be saft + if its cold i will heat the engine with a hair dryer for about 5 mins as i beleve that most of the damage is done when they are cold.
@@David-069 15% castor oil is absolutely fine. And a preheat when cold out definitely helps. But a low oil full synthetic fuel is what damages the abn engines
Hey there thebug, I was told by Marc to contact you about an engine I’ve got that I’m getting rid of and wanted to know more about it.
What you got
Man I want to get a 5th scale. What do you think about the brand rovan. 🤔
Basically the same as HPI from my understanding
@@thebug4046 that's what I have read all the reviews seem good. And its cheaper than the losi 5t that is $1599. Then roven is just over 500 for what I'm looking at.
@@davidmayberry9335 go for it!
I've always kept my fuel in the shade while bashing and store it inside, but have never even considered freezing it. Wtf is wrong with people. lol.
Haha right?
so would there be any way to add a cold air intake,would it help since its air not fuel
Not gonna help anything they tried making those back in the day and it did absolutely nothing added absolutely nothing it's still the same ambient air temperature outside as when it enters the engine
Just like the ribbed hpi exhaust ,pure sales hype b.s.
Do you store your nitro fuel indoors during winter months? Can you leave it in the garage? even if it hits freezing temps
Unless your garage is hitting - 80 that don't worry about it freezing lol but yes for the most part Is minus stored inside in a cupboard Away from damp
@@thebug4046 Dry is the key as thebug 404 said. If stored in moist area you will get water in the fuel and no good when that happens.