Super NES Classic Edition review: A morsel of nostalgia | Super NES Works
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 26 ก.ย. 2017
- Skipping WAY ahead in the numeration of this series, we look at the latest official Super NES release: Nintendo's new mini-Super NES, which includes 20 classic games and the shiny new ("new") release Star Fox 2. While there aren't a lot of surprises here, the Super NES mini offers a remarkably faithful and fully featured emulation experience for its price. And the games this time around are a lot less hit-or-miss than they were on the NES mini…
(Note: The unit pictured in this video was provided by Nintendo for review purposes.) - เกม
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If they make an N64 mini. Nintendo should put in F-Zero X with the Expansion Kit in it as a selling point
3 years later and it probably won't come
Great review. The in-depthness of the Retronauts on NES and SNES games and hardware is unmatched! Thanks for all content you and the Retronauts produce.
There is one graphical glitch in Yoshi's Island. The trees in the background do not disappear when a fuzzy in touched in the original version.
Mr. JH people also say the sound emulation is off on some things, but I wonder if they’re just used to hearing them on CRT TV speakers which were bigger and had better bass than today’s thin TVs
I love the subtlety of the CRT filter, it recreates a Snes via RGB. I HATE those filters that add screen curvature. We didn’t play videogames in the 70s!
I would have wished for a darker scanlines option.
Yeah its really close to 90s tvs at least from the tvs i used then
Home video game consoles started in the 70s...
TVs were curved until the FD Trinitron in the mid-late nineties. Flat CRTs weren’t common until the PS2/GameCube era
The Atari 2600 came out in 1977
Thanks, Jeremy. Very comprehensive, informative, and enjoyable to watch. You do wonderful work and this is no exception!
"Please note that if you [suggest removing Kirby's Dream Course], you're a bad person." Thank you for that. The game is wonderful.
Fuuuuuuuuck no.
Jeremy, you are the one true hero we all need. As long as I've been following you, you have given me a straight, and (as close to) unbiased answer that I trust. Another well done, quality video in a string of competance and consistancy that seems to never dry up. Never stop trying your best, my friend.
Fantastic work, Mr. Parish! I love your channel and writing! It always makes my day!
Paul Rudd is playing with power.
Great review! I can't wait to get one!!! Thanks for the first look Jeremy!
Outstanding review--really covered every topic if you were on the fence about buying one. Can't wait to not be able to find it!
BokehDon its actually easy to get one if your willing to pay around 180 on ebay i got mine from there on day one if you want something then your going to pay its only money
$180??? My store had 40 in stock and it was in a town that was not heavily populated. Other stores had close to a hundred in stock. This was very easy to get day one, let alone the first week.. I suppose it is your money though.
Just picked one up at Best Buy two days ago. It isn't that hard to find these days.
@@daviddougher8637not everyone has an unlimited supply of money. Stop being insensitive.
This was a really good video! Really went through all the relevant stuff and managed to get myself additionally hyped for Friday. Thanks tfrog!
Great video as usual! I'm in the same boat with the snes mini as nes. If I (can) get one, I'll certainly load up the whole library on it, which will kill my collecting enthusiasm. I emulated for ages, picking from a massive list isn't the same as grabbing a cartridge from a shelf.
Small correction: the Amiga's soundchip (dubbed Paula) introduced exclusive sample-based playback 5 years before the SNES's SPC700
Good point, although the SPC700/S-DSP combo featured realtime filter/echo/reverb effects that Paula didn't have.
I loved the Mini Nes Classic menu :D
I think the input lag is to each their own. I have so much experience with mega Man X and Castlevania 4 that I found them absolutely unplayable on the mini. But I didn't have any issues with Mario or obviously any of the RPGs.
Great, in-depth review. :)
As if by magic, as I was watching this review and wishing I had remembered to preorder, the Amazon Treasure Truck rolled into town and let me buy one. Goodbye weekend!
I'm surprised you didn't mention the Club Nintendo (Uk/Asia) SNES classic controller for the Wii. I recall buying lots of club nintendo points on ebay, having it shipped to a friend in the UK, and then having him ship it overseas to Canada. I would have loved a comparison of that controller with the ones in this set.
I was afraid the sound would be weird in places. Hopefully those places aren't crucial as throwing Metal Blades or firing Pit's bow. Great video, Jeremy!
Jesus Christ, thank you for dropping the knowledge about Nintendo hardware shortages. The narrative that they are just hoarding boxes of them in a warehouse somewhere, cackling, to "increase the demand" is tempting, but not quite the truth, so anytime someone looks at it rationally, (as frustrating as their practice is) it's appreciated.
Jeremy, I keep expecting you to laugh at the end and say "more fan service coming your way" at the end of the video.
サービス サービス！！
I will say that the latency on the same HDTV seems markedly improved over versions of these titles on the Wii/Wii-U VC, but I don't know that I would entirely place the blame on the SNES Mini for latency, as plugging my SNES mini into an LG IPS computer monitor gave me latency that to my eyes (and thumbs) appeared to be comparable to a CRT. It was a night-and-day difference over my LCD HDTV, but of course picture processing/latency can vary great between different sets.
Good line-up, but I would have definitely added Pilot Wings. It's a defining title for the SNES, which IIRC, was used as a tech demo (Dragon Fly) to show off the Mode 7 effects.
I'd probably also add Actraiser, ZAMN, and Rock 'N Roll Racing too.
I fully agree with you on every choice. Especially Actraiser and Rock N Roll Racing.
The only review online that matters.
I like the legit offering of so many SNES games. Me and my wife would enjoy playing them!
Modern non-CRT displays add quite a bit of lag unless they're pro PC monitors. TVs and projectors are crap and add at least 20ms of delay if you're lucky. At 60hz, a game frame is 16 ms, so if you're TV has 30-ish ms of lag, the game reacts to your input 2 game frames later than it does on a CRT, eve if the gaming hardware had zero lag, which it doesn't.
Love these vids.
On Metroid 2. It may be the oddball Metroid game, but I've always thought it was fantastic since I got it when I was 12.
you are my favorite retro game youtuber
I have a mayflash adapter that lets you use original NES/SNES controllers on the NES Classic. Would that let you hook up a multi-tap on here for Secret of Mana?
Mid by Northwest I couldn't begin to guess.
14:38 Amusingly, although that's thought as Zero's other theme, or "Zero's death" theme, that was supposed to be X's theme according to Capcom Sound Generation Rockman X 1~6, "Variable X". Man, Zero hijacked X off his own series and theme.
Pretty in depth man! Good stuff!
I'm a bit upset that they don't have an option to stretch the image to the full width of the screen because I use a Sony PVM and an HDMI downconverter with my RetroFreak and it looks great, but if I did it with the SNES Classic it will just squeeze the screen even skinnier on the 4:3 monitor.
Was the Star Fox 2 episode cancelled? I can't find it.
I am going to take issue with your analysis of Metroid II as 'the odd-ball second game'
Return of Samus may have been limited technically, but it did some things remarkably well, specifically in regards to tone. It's not a game that should be cast aside.
As a classic gamer, I have to wholeheartedly *disagree* with you about the lack of a stretch option being a positive.
The fact is that there are more than a few of us who have HDMI to Component converters to plug these consoles into a classic 4:3 CRT. On a console like the mini Genesis, that stretch option becomes absolutely essential, because it turns the picture into a beautiful, full screen 1:1 reproduction of what we got with a real system. With the Super NES mini, the lack of a stretch option means that connecting it to a CRT means a game with a squished picture and huge black bars.
I get that playing these classic games on a CRT isn't something everyone might want to do, but at the same time, being able to have the OPTION is a nice thing.
It costs 180 USD in Sweden (1499 SEK) and other scandinavian countries. We are getting scalped and can't do anything about it.
Peter Boström Yikes, I thought that was just price hikes after it'd already sold out. You're telling me that's what our price was the moment it went up for preorder? I'm pretty sure the SNES I got in 1995 cost less than that!
So should I get angry at Bergsala, or is this a "everywhere in Europe except for the U.K." thing? Because if not I'll just buy it off German Amazon once they'll get the second wave of shipments...
Peter Boström enter the Eurozone, mate 😙
CrossfacePanda Certain countries in EU which Bergsala is the distributor of. Scandinavia, Germany, Poland.
J-Ryder Huh, Bergsala distributes in Germany now too? I didn't know that, actually. I figured since Nintendo of Europe's headquarters where located in Germany, they handled distribution there as well. Was a bit presumptuous of me, I guess.
Hmmm... I guess I'll have to hunt for a U.K. version of the SNES then or something, assuming the prices will be just as awful for the German version. Because cool as it looks, I'm not paying 1500 SEK for it.
It's EU version lads, the console has 20+ languages
Finally got the Super NES Classic Edition last month (Jan. 17, 2018) at a Walmart in my city here in Canada, after nearly 4 months since its release. This console is still just so hard to find at stores. Why Nintendo still makes this item rare to get is beyond me. At least they kept their word this system would still be available into the new year, but I sure hope they make it more available. They said they would do a better job compared to how they did with the NES Classic Edition, which they were criticized for the lack of availability which I never got.
The only audio thing that really stood out as "off" for me in this was the short clip of Great Cave Offensive.
Thanks for the excellent review, Jeremy!
I wish they would have stretched their budget a bit and included:
Tetris Attack
Donkey Kong Country 2
Chrono Trigger (duh)
Legend of the Mystical Ninja
Actraiser
NBA Jam
Mortal Kombat II
That would have made it pretty much perfect for me.
I wish that they added:
Aladdin
Donkey Kong Country 2
Donkey Kong Country 3
Mickey's Magical Quest
Mickey's Great Circus
Super Mario All Stars
Phalanx: The Enforce Fighter A-144
Zombies Ate My Neighbors
Daniel Hermle I added all of those plus some lol
Excellent video, as usual.
I own a modded 1-chip SNES and a Framemeister, but I'm still tempted to get one.
Maybe the video will change my mind...
If I owned that I wouldn't bother. I missed out on the NES Classic Edition but I own the Retro USB AVS with an NES Everdrive so I didn't really care. No input lag on the AVS unlike the Classic Edition.
6 months in, I'm still gushing with mine. I hack added 21 of my own fav titles to balance the packed in titles. Final Fantasy III has been a revelation, a title/genre I simply didn't enjoy as a kid nor felt very intuitive via desktop emulation. Its CRT graphics option is scarily nostalgic, esp playing the likes of SF2TE which my friends & I played to death back in the day.
As old as it is now, I'm still gushing with mine. These games and this console are eternal.
10:19 that would actually be nice for trying to get full screen on a 4:3 CRT monitor with a HDMI to VGA adapter. (It’s impossible, well you have to hack it and install retroarch and boot all the games with it instead of Nintendo’s emulator)
People need to respect kirbys dream course its just soo underated. Its fantastic
Great review! Although, man, I can't disagree more about F-Zero. Probably the game I'll play the most on the system, still such a rock solid, blazing racer. And the music is probably some of the best on the Snes.
"Please note if you say kirby's dream course you're a bad person"
B-but what if I only like the multiplayer in KDL and can't tolerate the cheap difficulty of the single player, wishing they'd replace it with Avalanche or Dream Land 3? Or what if I happen to hate Super Ghouls N Ghosts and wish that they replaced that with Final Fight 3, or replace Super Mario Kart with Chrono Trigger?
But either way, this was a very detailed and fun episode. The best of the SNES Mini reviews so far.
OMG!! I wish Mystical Ninja on my snes mini like the Japan version.
I noticed a definite stutter in all the games every couple of seconds or so. Is that just the recording?
Excellent review! I'm new to Retronauts and I was impressed, great work! Too bad I'll never find the SNES mini for $80, so I'll probably have to pass...
2 years after your comment, the SNES Mini market seems to be calming down a bit, so maybe go for it now if you haven't already.
You not running in Super Metroid is going to give me a tumor.
I found no real lag issues with Super Punch Out while playing. Which is good since I heard of the nightmarish issues involving Punch Out on the NES Classic
Raymond Gallant That's great! Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
Toronto's A&C Games got an inventory of SNES Classics in at sane retail prices: take THAT, scalpers!
Anybody know how the emulation on the new SNES Classic of SNES games compares to the SNES emulation on a hacked NES Classic running RetroArch? Any smoother, less laggy, faster emulation?
I bought one of these online for a decent price. I have yet to open and play mine.
The SPC700 emulation may not be perfect, but it's a helluva lot better than Zsnes, I'd say it's on par with snes9x, which uses cycle-accurate audio.
Sounds like they didn't implement the low-pass filter. Definitely not a deal breaker.
"Please note if you say Kirby's Dream Course you're a bad person." 😂
If you attach the SNES mini on a gaming fast response monitor, the mushy feeling should go away. A lot of lag comes from a modern day television's image post processing and resultant delays.
Gordon Lin I tested playing Axiom Verge on PS4. I feel next to no lag. With SNES mini I feel a slight lag so it does have some lag, not enough to interfere with Gameplay. However if your tv has high input lag already+ input lag of SNES mini I can see that there will be an issue for some
The mini sega is an amazing product
Jeremy thinks Star Fox 2 is better than 1 and that F-Zero isn't amazing. You learn something new every day.
I really hope the flap to hide the control ports is heavy duty.
It's pretty much the same as the cartridge slot panel on the 2DS XL, if you've used that. Not sure I'd call it heavy duty…
I have to stop you there ten seconds in, the Super Nintendo always lives. Carry on.
I also noticed the lag in the controller. It really throws me off a bit.
That's entirely dependent on the display - using the SNES Mini on my LG computer monitor gives me control response that feels 1:1 while on several HDTVs I've encountered playable, but noticeable input lag. Enabling "game mode" or otherwise disabling any extra video processing done should help somewhat.
Still waiting on that Star Fox 2 video...
Revised production timeline has arriving sometime around 2063, please look forward to it
A few small nitpicks!
Yoshi's Island has graphical errors, you even managed to demonstrate them! When you touch a fuzzy the background disappears instead of getting pixelated as it does on original hardware, there's already demonstrations of this on TH-cam. SNES Classic's emulation is unlikely to be better than other available emulators as long as Higan exists even if it is pretty good itself.
Sony's PS1's SPU was a superset of the SPU in the SNES, which is why SNES ports tended to sound spot-on, as such it's not really accurate to call the SNES' sound unique.
I thought I misremembered the "fuzzy" effects. Nope, I just started up my actual cartridge of Yoshi's Island, and yes, it's a pixelated effect, not disappearing!
Maybe I'm forgetting but did Star Fox 1 allow you to shoot names in the rolling credits at the end? I could have sworn it did but when I finished it last night on a 99% run I could blast away at nothing. Also I guess it's an add but I never had SF2T but just the original and I was surprised to hear on half the stages cheering from the crowd after the round ended.
I think that's if you end up in Dimension X or whatever and fight the slot machine.
Whats up with the Beta Chrono Trigger footage? 4:35
It's interesting and fun to see WIP versions of beloved games?
It is cool to see, but it makes no sense being in this video.
Even though it's not official, I'd swap Kirby's Dream Course with Grump's Dream Course, though both would be on here if I had my way... Along with Tetris Attack
you can add up to 95 games with modding or take it apart put a pi inside it :)
Why was the number 722 chosen for this episode btw?
Oliver Wilmot The mini is the 722nd officially licensed Super NES release in the U.S.
Jeremy Parish ; Oh wow THE J. Parish replied to me! Oh I see. I thought the numbering was for software only, not hardware. Not that it's important. Thank you.
It is, really, but I made an exception for the mini.
Jeremy Parish ; Oh I see. Great video, I should probably actually open my UK one.
"....the literal end of the world."
Jesus you didn't need to spoil it.
Supaboy is not an emulator its using the same hardware made smaller into a portable unit. It just plays the straight carts.
Actually, it's a clone console. The implementation is not quite the same as the original hardware, leading to issues in some games.
Supaboy sucks. Source: I own one. The screens are bad, buttons feel cheap and the video out produces a low quality image
15:31
Its also on gba
So, if I kept all of my Nintendo systems and they all still work, should I just stick to buying carts from my local flea market and ebay? If you say it fits a bunch of games in one unit without having to have a library of carts, well then I'm just going to build a Pi cart.
I still have a working SNES, and have owned 15 out of the system's 21 games at one time or another, and I still think that the SNES Classic is money well spent (if bought at retail.) If nothing else, it's a solid insurance plan if your system or game carts should die.
If you want to go deeper in the SNES library, and price is no object, then yeah, your best bet is an original cart on an original console, played on a good quality CRT. But for these 21 games, the SNES Classic offers by far the best emulation quality, and greatest convenience.
Maybe someone here can help me out: The credits to Final Fantasy 3 mention 2 "remake planners". But I always thought, that the PS1-version on FF Anthology was the remake (as it is refered to in the Anthology manual). So were the remake planners mentioned in the SNES credits in some way involved with the translation? I'm confused.
They were presumably the people who reprogrammed the English-language version of the game.
Jeremy Parish Thanks, I thought so too, as their names are placed directly before the translator.
Also thanks for the great video.
r.i.p. Paul Rudd
Did he die in Civil War? Spoilers, man.
R.I.P. Hugh Hefner.. *FIXED*
videogameobsession RIP Julius Caesar.
It's just too bad that Reggie has basically shot down a n64 or anything else mini. N64 and gamecube mini's would be nice...(though I really wish those backgrounds were availible on nes mini's....)
Great review. I found one in the wild and couldn't pass it up. I will never play it as I have the original hardware but will cherish the cardboard box. Props to Nintendo for preying on my fear of scarcity. I'm such a lemming but that's ok because I had a great time spending $80.
Wireless controllers would have been nice.
the problem with these classic consoles is theres too many great hits to put on. idk how you can comprise a 20 best. i know some like super metroid and starfox are an easy pic of their genre/style and uniqueness. but i still think 20 is too low of a number.
especially for the ps1 classic. that has to be something like a top 100 to do it justice
No Captain Novolin? What IS this???
Er, is that Paul Rudd at 07:26?
It is indeed.
Where is Wild Guns???
They could have removed Kirby's Dr... oh.
Was that Evangelion....
There was a rumor that they lost/destroyed the original molds for the SNES controllers after they made the ones with the molded SNES logo for the Snes Rev2(but I cannot find a source). They made new molds for the Sfc/Wii controller released through club nintendo in Japan and the UK. Which when opened had indicators for color and purple buttons inside the shell.
Interesting, I hadn't heard that.
Finally, someone who tells it like it is. Nintendo fanboys constantly argue that the shortages are beyond Nintendo's control. Yeah, sure. I've also had every Nintendo release up until the Switch; even managed to track down an NES Classic Edition. The company's tactics are ridiculous.
*Ummm !? @ **7:26** Is that a young ''Paul Rudd'' I spy !? ...Hmm !? :)O*
24:04 is that... Paul Rudd?
Yeah, it is.
Being that there is no 24:04 time code on this video, no, that's not Paul Rudd.
It is! Swore that was him and literally LOL'd.
LOL Kirby's Dreamcourse is the only game in the line up that I don't like & would've vastly preferred Chrono Trigger over that. Replacing Secret of Mana with Chrono Trigger would've ok though. SOM is good, but it ain't no Chrono Trigger.
Does it have Home Improvement? Tim Allen fighting dinosaurs. No? FAIL
Wish they added Mario all Stars
Yeah, the omission of SMAS/Pilotwings etc. are definitely odd.
You got knocked down by Glass Joe?
hahahaha seriosuly
I think mine was broken because the frame rate on mine is atrocious
Knock off? Did you get a fake console.
Well, I know there wasn’t any easy solution, but Final Fantasy VI with the Woolsey translation in 2017 could as well had been swapped with Chrono Trigger.
Woolsey's translation was fine. You'd also be trading Woolsey's FF3 translation for Woolsey's CT translation, so any problems you had with his style likely would have remained. It's not the most accurate translation, but it's mostly for stylistic reasons. Also, he gave us the superior Terra, Sabin, Cyan names versus Tina, Mash, and Cayanne.
Ted Woolsey was an important video game translating pioneer and you WILL respect him!
Woosley's translation is great. It's silly to argue otherwise.
Why couldn't they have added Killer instinct? *Sigh*
I believe Microsoft owns Killer Instinct now. Since they bought RARE.
No one:
Absolutely no one:
Jeremy Parish: Castlevania 4 has a GREAT soundtrack!
lol. its weird because i'm really not that big a fan of that soundtrack. or any aspect of castlevania 4's presentation really. or castlevania 4 itself. i get the charm though i suppose
Dude GameCube did NOT represent a "lowpoint". GameCube was an awesome console and could justifiably be called be best console of that whole generation and I had every one of them.
DuckTalesWooHoo1987 he's talking about overall sales
Yeah. GameCube was awesome. It was also Nintendo's worst-selling console until Wii U came along.
21 games only? Nintendo could be so cheap sometimes...