Citroën ë-Berlingo - When Expectations Are Beaten By Reality! (7 Seat EV)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 19 มิ.ย. 2024
- Not many need more than 5 seats but there are those that do. Or, those that need 5 seats and a huge boot! In steps the Citroën ë-Berlingo! When expectations are beaten by reality!
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You are all troopers for getting this done ✅
Love your videos from here, across the pond!
I have not seen an EV for a long while which I like, and today this is the second. Thanks for the video
What was the first one?
I love that you chaps always think of the various ways a vehicle might be used *including* people with a disability. Thank you. I'm not a wheelchair user but have muscle weakness so I use a folding e-bike or a walker to get around. We also have a fair sized dog so we are hoping to find something similar to this, maybe not quite as big and don't need the seven seater obviously. As you say the price is good making it just about affordable for us but just a wee bit more range would be useful, just 200 to give a buffer on a round trip in winter would do us. A holiday where we could take both of my SMV's and a large dog cage would be amazing though!
Thanks again chaps, another fun review, didn't half look cold 😂
The older Berlingos were often used for disability cars because it's so high under the roof.
My first BEV was a 2004 Citroën Berlingo Electrique with lead acid batteries, loved it.
What was the range on that 2004 model?
Also, the M59 was the second-best looking of the entire series.(Only beaten by the M49 series. The later ones... not so much)
@@norwegiangadgetman About 50 miles.
I'm a dog walker... This sounds perfect for a pet taxi conversion....
Just ordered one, I've currently got a 2 1/2 year old diesel one. I think its great for the kids and my rather large dog. My average daily travel is 24 miles. It makes sense to go electric for me, bye bye crazy diesel prices and hello solar panel charging he he. Hope it comes without too much delay. Just bought a zappi for it.
Great video. I used to own the old diesel version. Good precticle transport. My second car leaf now gets used 95% of the time so its number one car.
I do like how, as someone who lives fairly nearby, I can pinpoint the day on which this review was filmed 😂
I have a Peugeot partner 7 seat diesel version and love it. I would definitely consider getting one of these to replace it. You probably see me driving round Keighley in it too!
Thought you may have gone to Spain to test the Megane e-Tech on their press event. Cool to see it snowing though.
Hope you do get to test the Megane though love to see your & Harry's opinion on it
It looks as though it is designed better than my eNV200 40kWh which In (2019, £35k reduced to £30k), so that's quite a saving. The seating is much more flexible (you fold the single middle seat down to access the rear seats in both). I'm really impressed by how well you can fold the middle seats away. I think this probably demonstrates the advantage of the 'ground up' EV design, the eNV is only part designed that way. For access I'd be interested how high the floor is off the ground. Well done reviewing in such conditions, but I think Yorkshire folk probably consider that to be normal-to-a -bit-chilly.
However the heating and braking is more advanced on the e-NV200 (Launched 8 years ago)
Would want more range for hubby to use it for cycling events and sleep in it
Ah love a berlingo, my fav car for a family.
Great review in a real world out of of London 😎👏😂😂
Man, this car has a clock on top of the rearview mirror. Reminds me of the fiat my father had in the 80's
Can't wait for your views on the VWBuzz. T6 equivalent size, 7 seat MPV or van. 200+ mile range but obviously much more expensive than the Berlingo
Another cool video, wish we could get you to 100k subscribers. I like every video!
My wife chose the combo e life se xl which motability are going to fit with a hoist because she has a mobility scooter that weighs significantly more than 100kgs, so range anxiety is something I’m just going to have to put up with when we eventually get it after waiting probably more than 7 months from the date of order, on the bright side I’m hoping that use of home and public charging will be at least half the cost of the petrol SUV we currently have.
Great shout about wheelchair or camper conversion. Wonder if towing capacity is any good. Loved the review👍
750kg
Due to the nature of the modifications required to the shell for wheelchair conversions, Stelantis produce a special order version for bodybuilders with a combustion engine.
This is due to the floor alterations required for wheelchair access being incompatible with the location of the battery pack in the ev.
I like these boxy cars and would buy one but the range and the onboard tech needs to be closer to what the cars are offering.
It will be interesting to see how it compares to the new electric Renault van MPV.
Model 3 collection day Wednesday. You might remember your daughter said it would be sensible choice over polestar on new year livestream. Any recommendations for collection day check list. 😊
You can get one on Motability and they install a free home charger. BTW the mileage you quoted is correct around 100 miles, not what is shown on the clock. We have a hoist and carry a medium size mobility scooter in a standard 5-seat version with the back seats up.
😆 great review
What happens if you open the near-side rear door whilst charging? e.g. if there were people in the back that suddenly decided to get out?
I reckon this is the first EV review to include the phrase “That is Ace!”
I don't need a vehicle so spacious every day, but I still want one!
I have one. It drives and handles like a car, it takes up no more room in a car park than a hatchback. Then it becomes a van when I pop to B&Q or the tip. It's can swallow my mountain bike, or the dog and kids. It does everything. I couldn't go back to a hatch or a SUV.
I still don't know why most of the people in the mid-northern part of the UK don't use at least all-season tyres with the M+S symbol. I understand this case, of course, but in general I think we should buy them more. Unless I'm completely wrong and those are all-season tyres! But probably they would have a much better grip than those ones.
The last few cars I've bought, the first thing I budget for is changing to all weather tyres. Driven through some pretty bad snow over the years, and never been stuck. Given the price difference from a regular tyre isn't that much, its madness not to have them.
If they are using All Season tyres they want the 3 peak winter certified which might also show M+S also. I used CrossClimate on my Corsa-e but now have Michelin Alpin6 on and they are worth every penny.
All-season tyres are shit. The rubber is too soft for summer use. Do like us in the the more Northernly countries and have two sets; one of summer tyres and another of proper winter tyres.
@@norwegiangadgetman nonsense, people have changed between summer and winters for many years now and even in to ge Scottish Highlands even the All weather / all seasons like CrossClimates suit many. I have on Michelin Alpin 6 and they are fine in the Summer.
@@norwegiangadgetman we can barely get people to consider changing away from summer tyres, no danger you'd get them to own 2 sets and change over 🤣🤣
I wonder if the Amdro Boot Jump fits in the back of this?
Great video! What jacket is Harry wearing?
Above and beyond doing a review in the snow.
I like everything about it except the range. As you were going through it I was thinking that could be our next car until you mentioned the range. We currently drive a 2019 Hyundai Ioniq and that range of about 170 miles which has made longer journeys so much easier (although having it stuck only charging to 90% waiting for a recall on the battery for a year is an absolute joke). It's not very practical for tip runs and loading up though. We have driven both a 24kwh leaf and a 30kwh leaf before getting the ioniq in 2019, having been driving EVs since 2014 so I'm very aware the difference the range makes on even a 120 mile journey considering you usually lose some with motorway driving. I don't think I could go back down to 100 mile range and we aren't in a position to and don't need 2 cars. But hey that would be much better than a camper leaf 🙂
hopeless range - key factor - 250mls is desirable starting point in 2022
The trouble is it is designed and sold as a spacious & versatile load lugger. The more batteries Citroen heap into it, the less space you have. And, of course, any vehicle designed as as an ICE car is compromised from the start if converting to electric. We have the diesel variant of the current model and it is the most useful, family friendly car out there.
@@6ettinold I get that but if you look at the ioniq it's the same look and space for the petrol and ev version. The battery is just under the car as far as I'm aware. So you'd think they could make this one in the same way with a decent range. If they or someone did one like it I'd be very interested.
Oh my goodness - that weather was atrocious...!
Well done, though, for soldiering through - proper You Tube hero status...
I have a question, though - on the interior footage, I was intrigued by the 4 'plug-socket-sized' flaps mounted either side on the headlining... Any ideas what they were for...? Just curious... 🤔
Bulk head mounts I think.
I drive an mpv and would like an electric version. Sadly this doesn’t have the range I’d need. I don’t have the money either but it’s nice to keep an eye out for what will be on the 2nd hand market. More mpvs please.
Bigger batteries give range but would encroach on space. 5he next gen model will be designed from the start as an EV, so I reckon that'll have the space and the range
p.s The snow looks beautiful, but glad we haven't got any (makes life on the farm even more difficult)
I have got the Vauxhall combo elite petrol automotive as my motability car the 5 seat short wheel base had it for two years now and only done 10.500 miles I would love the electric version but I live on a canal boat so charging will be my main problem. I really like the van and it does everything I need it to do. in a years time it will be time to swap or extend the lease for another 2 year it’s going to be a head scratcher that’s for certain. If charging wasn’t the problem I would go electric.
what day, what town?
Would make a great stealth camper 👍🏻
Brits in snow is always hilarious
Should have talked about the Modutop option.
Is possible to review the Rivian e car ？
Nice Location ......a Craveyard Ha Ha:-)
The vw idbus is retro. But I think this is what it should be. 30k is a great price point.
Only problem is range as you highlight, I think those that want a 7 seat vehicle would want a much bigger range.
Having space and range is difficult. Bigger batteries take up room.
I test drove one a few months back (the 5 seat high spec version) and really liked the way it drove and the high seating position, the heads up display was excellent too. What put me off was the economy was pretty bad, not an upgrade on my Leaf 30kWh in reality. As set-up the boot is too big and rear space the passengers too small, would have been great with movable rear seat. Citroen and Peugeot versions have a weird stalk for cruise and speed limiter (VX version is on the wheel). If Stellantis improved the economy of their electric drive train (I believe they have on some models) and did a 70kWh battery I'd certainly purchase.
nice weather protection. you better look after it or you will be in trouble....
I think the special effects went overboard with the snow effect. the graveyard are we making a horror movie.
may be see how sleeping in at night would be good test, at this warm time.
at 12 minutes i thought you could return the car with the rubbish still in the back.
Americans were wiser here, two seats in the middle and 3 in the back ( chrysler Pacifica), so you get a corridor to go to the back .
The lack of a decent drink holder puts me off... where would I put my cider ???😉
My only concern with a wheelchair conversion is how well a disabled person would cope with rapid chargers. I'm able-bodied, but handling a CCS connector can be like trying to wrestle a large python. No problem if they only plan to charge at home though...
Tbh, when people talk about wheelchair conversions what they really mean is one where a wheelchair user loads via a lift in the back and is often not the driver, so the heaviness of a CCS cable doesn’t really come into it. This looks like a nice vehicle for a wheelchair passenger and a great choice for taxi firms.
Don’t misunderstand me though - I’m a wheelchair user myself who often drives solo - but the WORST thing on this is the placement of the actual charge point which can be a HUGE pain in the bum. Until stuff like that is made more standard ( eg all at the front) and until charge stations start addressing accessibility properly then wheelchair users will have a hard time.
th-cam.com/video/1pmWr7Fj_XI/w-d-xo.html
What's up with the grill?
As taxi driver its only the range that lets it down.
By the way I have citreon C4 grand picasso as a taxi an its really good.
Shame they have stopped making the C4 grand piccaso and never made an electric one. That was an MPV that actually looked good and was still very practical.
As a 2002 Peugeot Partner owner is seem to do what it says on the tin, As you said a 200 mile range would be very useful especially for a camper, nice to have rapid charging but the charging network needs to improve to make best use of that. Maybe a version with a bigger battery could be an option and extend the market beyond the school run/child minder/taxi uses. (could be an item to put on the list for the facelift version as battery energy density is rapidly increasing)
I cant see why they dont do an extended 100kw battery, there must be tons of room under the floor. I have the diesel version and love it, but for a long distance electric version I would change tomorrow
Oh, they must have done away with the opening tailgate window that my 2016 car has. Very useful in tight parking spaces.
Only available on the flair and flair xtr models
Whilst the range might suit some I hope they can manufacture one with at least 2x the range. Id want to be able to make regular family seaside day trips Without having to rely on getting it charged just to get back home .
Not a chance, unfortunately. We have the diesel version of this model and it is utterly brilliant - it's the space and versatility that we and other Berlingo owners but these for. But bigger battery packs are bulky and take up space. It's an even bigger issue in a vehicle designed for an internal combustion engine. They've ditched petrol and diesel models now. My guess is the next gen model will have all that room and decent range.
I'm getting any of these mpv ones as my vehicle for my mobility scooter
I currently have a vauxhall combo life petrol, so going electric is a no brainer honestly
I’d take the piss out of your protective weather gear but I don’t want to Troll you 😂
Roof rails for roof rack? I need a roof rack as most days I carry a canoe/kayak and a trader might need to carry a ladder.
I had the previous model. All those roof cubby bins are standard. They are really practical vehicles but the one I had was let down by a useless 90hp engine.
You didn’t mention the performance of the motor but I’m guessing it’s reasonable.
The sliding doors are really practical, when you return to the vehicle carrying something you just open the door a few inches & set your stuff on the flat floor.
As for getting kids strapped into car seats it’s brilliant as you’re not trying to be a contortionist around a door sticking out.
I’d be interested to see the Vauxhall version & what it’s trimmed like.
They simply need to add half the battery again... :) And maybe a heatpump :)
They should make 75kw version
Do the two rear (6&7) seats fold flat? And can they be removed?
Yes
@@davidpidge They don't fold flat to the floor.. but they can be lifted out by pulling a lever, in the same way that the B9 Berlingo seats 3,4,5 can. Sadly THOSE seats do NOT lift out on the 7 seater K9 model (this one in the video)
Why is it struggling in snow? No snow tires?
The ABS looks poor also, and EVS are harder to drive in the snow due to no engine noise to warn out of traction loss.
I wonder how the fact theres a battery pack underneath will affect the ability for it to be converted for disabled access since the wheelchair usually sits below the boot level.
I've always loved the Berlingo, it's an honest 'car', it doesn't pretend to be anything other than what it is.
The battery only starts in front of the rear axle; the space below the boot area is completely unoccupied (unless you add a spare wheel under there) so it looks eminently adaptable.
We are due to have our e Berlingo delivered to us in a couple of months via the Motobility scheme. As mentioned in the review we went for this car as we need to be able to get an electric wheelchair in and wanted to go with an EV. Based on that the options are limited at the moment. We are having an electric hoist fitted so they can be installed.
Officially Stellantis are producing special order vehicles with combustion engines for wheelchair accessibility conversions as the battery pack would be in the way of any floor modifications required forward of the rear axle.
Looks like you needed snow tyres :)
The people in front that got stuck need them. We were fine.
I would prefer if they made the driving position more live a van. The way it is, feels like normal car. As a tall guy with bad knees a suv like Enyaq is still noticeably better.
I highly recommend people get brochures for each of the 3 versions as there are key differences. We went for the Peugeot Rifter as its the only one of the three 7 seater that can tow.
The eBerlingo can tow with 7 seats.
@@ElectricVehicleMan hmm, I would check on that. We ordered ours 2 weeks ago and was told towing on Berlingo M only
@@abandonedtube www.parkers.co.uk/citroen/e-berlingo/mpv-2021/100kw-feel-xl-50kwh-5dr-auto-[7-seat]/specs/
If the Rifter can tow, so can the Berlingo and Combo versions. They are identical cars bar the cosmetics. We opted for a Berlingo, mainly because the sales staff at our Vauxhall dealership were morons. As I recall, the Rifter was slightly more expensive.
Can you remove the rear seats?
Yes.
Useless 120miles to a full charge significantly lower if you had the heating on, I suppose for those nipping to the shop once a day fair enough, but load it up with 7 and luggage and head out for a day and we'll it better be a close day out.
OK for dizzy supermarket run.
Whats the real range of this car and consumption?
All in the video.
You haven’t got a bigger umbrella?
Seats 6+7 for the naughty people.
Airport transport… if you’re close to the airport or half-day taxi.
Not that stylish.
If anyone from Citroen/Motability reads this, please consider offering optional electric memory seats and electric tailgate. Small things but they are necessities not luxuries for my wheelchair-using mother to be able to drive the car independently. The lack of them is a deal-breaker unfortunately.
I own a berlingo for 2 years now, and asked myself a few times why the passenger does not have a mirror in the sun visor. Until i saw the NCAP crash test.... As the berlingo has a passenger airbag that comes down from the roof, a (glass) mirror near a blowing airbag could have some negative effects...
( th-cam.com/video/-Va32JY2x4M/w-d-xo.html - watch it from 0:25)
As this is a 3 in 1 review. Does that mean the Toyota version is getting it's own review?
That one is self reviewing.
Do they even offer Toyota version in UK?
Occurs to me if you have 7 people in the car, perhaps the heater won't burn so much energy (since humans are heaters!)
Starts next to a graveyard. You know it's not going to end well!
Perfect second car, cheep to buy, cheep to run, eats everything from the garden centre etc. Stops my wife going shopping 60 miles away hehe
Yep £28k chump change to most people - not
Half price ID Buzz? Not as long range, maybe not as posh, but more capable of taking a few knocks, and way cheaper.
SUV's eat your heart out!
I can't understand why these have been forgotten since '90s.
The cars price isn't favourable now. Unless your taxi driver.
We looked at SUV's but we already knew the Berlingo made far more sense and looked at them last. We now have the diesel version of this current model and it has twice the legroom and boot space of the various Citroen/Pug & Vauxhall SUV's that use the same platform.
2015 brand new Berlingo XTR £15,500, 2022 and now 28k and everyone's nodding their heads saying it's cheap.
2015 one isn’t an electric version! 🙄
@@ElectricVehicleMan Yes I know that, it costs roughly 2k more to make an EV over a ICE vehicle due to the batteries, my point is where does the extra 10.5k come from?
Thanks for the reply though, I like your videos very down to earth.
@@neo017431 Where did the £2.5k come from?
@@ElectricVehicleMan he's probably not far off there dude!
We've all been banging on about 'price parity' being just around the corner, for bloody years....so we SHOULD be close by now!!
We NEED to be - because costs of ownership for EVs is going to start rising soon, as ICE sales fall away and fuel revenues plummet. And presumably, the incentives will dwindle away over time also...
@@andymccabe6712 There’s almost no incentives right now.
Let's hope it's more reliable than the hdi diesel
Achievement Unlocked: Shooting a car review while parked next to a cemetery. 🏆😂
I can't believe nobody's said 'the outlook is grave'........
Should have said, today we are filming in the dead center of town
Or.... If you drop all the seats you can get a coffin in the back........!?
I suspect a lot of these would get snapped up by Cabbies.
Never seen tesla bjorn struggle to drive a car in snow, there's something wrong here xD
As you said not for me as a Airport transfer vehicle
Yeah the standard ICE Berlingo is a WAV, hopefully Motability will put EV WAVs on their scheme
Could be tricky with the battery location. They will have to eventually as I think they are discontinuing the ICE Berlingos.
the battery is WAY too small ! ! ! We need twice the range ! ! !
citroën passionately hates proper cup holders for some reason.
They hate any form of ergonomics or storage practicality as evidenced by the complete waste of centre console storage by having nothing but fresh air. The Peugeot Rifter at least has a massive centre box with sliding covers.
Hmm .£30k for a "second car" is too much ... plus the 100 mile range. Is too small for a camper van which will inevitably spend much of its time in remote areas.
Low rolling resistance tyres, on snow, not good.
We didn’t get stuck, we were stuck behind them.
@@ElectricVehicleMan Maybe they had the problem tyres.
I have a Kona 64kW which I drove in the snow last week. On a level road, doing about 3mph, it wouldn't stop. Slid for maybe 100 yards. Just the weight. Don't think I will be taking it out in the snow again.
@@robertmarshall4515 Two things apply, 1 Friction, 2 Inertia. You can improve 1 by having better tyres but 2 you cannot do much about. Having tyres with better road grip will reduce the range.
Not even push start??
It’s an option.
You mean 'Anyone can steal your car in 20 seconds,' no thanks)
For a 'new' EV the range is too small to be used as a main vehicle. Not enough benefits to justify changing from my LEAF + ICE combimation. Let's see what next year brings.
It’s a Citroen, a freaking lemon. What expectations did you have again? Seriously, you thought what ?
What do you think of Peugeot, Vauxhall, Fiat and Jeep?
This is all well and good put a pint worth mentioning here is supply. I contacted my local vauxhall dealer re the same platform version re a test drive with a view to order only to be told by the salesman that he has not even seen one in the flesh since they cane our a year ago thier is a complete lack of supply isuuie. He has got 67 ppl waiting for a demo. I rang 3 other main dealers with a similar story it all well and good the dekers giving you and the likes of edd china vehicles to review but if you carnt get then what's the point. Edd china's remarked on one of his videos and I quote pop down to your local delear for a test????????
This does not seem to be a ground-up EV, the heating system is more like a DIY conversion, standard ICE water heater core, piped up to an electric water heater under the bonnet. Slow and lossy. Brakes: Standard brake servo with noisy vacuum pump cycling on and off to maintain vacuum. Maybe they will revise this model and improve these things, and maybe fit a proper 'gear selector' and even a proper handbrake not a dodgy servo motor based one. This and the seats not folding flat put me off this model in its current guise.
Perfect for the emission conscious fake taxi wannabees
My old 1999 Berlingo (M49 series) is listed as 'Large Limousine' on the papers...
Also, the design choices on the later versions are just horrid.
Recessed headlights? Looks like a Mattell die-cast model scaled up. Horrid.
Center rail on the sliding doors. Why is it even visible? It used to be nicely tucked away under the rear windows.
I'd still buy it if it was capable of 350Km driving distance, and hope that I could fix some of the eyesores with a hacksaw and spackle...
Oh, and learn to drive in snow conditions. That is just... embarrassing.
Nowhere near affordable still. Used petrol trumps it every time.