A 2020 NASB Large Print Ultrathin Reference Bible
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- A review of Lockman's Large Print Thinline Reference Bible with the 2020 New American Standard Bible (NASB) text, ISBN 9781581351736. This Bible features a 10 point font created by 2K/Denmark, line-matched text, two-column paragraph formatting, center column references, and the NASB text and translation notes (complete set) at page bottom. The paper is blue (!) but fairly matte, with an estimated paper weight of 31 gsm. The binding is sewn and the volume lies open and flat in Genesis. There are two 9 mm wide ribbon markers, one black and one brown. In the back you'll find a 126-page NASB Topical Index, book introductions, and 9 color maps.
Beginning at about the 15:50 point, this video also features my observations on the 2020 NASB. I show where the 2020 lies on the translation continuum, and discuss the extent to which the Old Testament departs from the Masoretic Text, and rates of agreement between the New Testament and four Greek New Testaments. I remark on many of the changes between the 1995 and 2020 editions of the NASB, some of them due to the translator's desire to ensure the text reflects their perspective on gender accuracy.
This is a 66-book Protestant Bible.
Contents
00:00 Unboxing
02:10 Page layout
03:37 The ~10 point font in the text
05:04 Paper qualities
07:02 The topical index
07:59 The maps
08:22 The sewn binding: stitching is visible in the maps section
09:08 The two ribbon markers
11:17 The preface -- gender accuracy
13:25 The Hebrew and Greek source texts
13:47 What do brackets mean in the NASB text?
15:08 Font comparisons (1995 NASB large print ultrathin and 1995 MacArthur Study Bible with Comfort Print text)
15:50 The translation continuum chart
16:05 A few examples of where the 2020 edition is more literal than the 1995
18:19 Changes in the Old Testament where the translation now departs from the Masoretic Text, Psalm 145.13 and Isaiah 49.12
19:47 The New Testament compared to Nestle-Aland's 28th edition, Westcott & Hort, Robinson-Pierpont, and the Tyndale House Greek New Testament
21:12 Examples of where the 2020 NASB New Testament follows a different source text than the 1995 edition
22:11 Some other changes to the New Testament
25:34 How gender inclusive is the 2020 NASB? Comparisons to the NRSV and the 2011 NIV
33:12 Some miscellaneous observations (the footnote at Gal 3.22 was repaired; 'with a view to' was replace in Eph 1.10, 14; in 2 Thess 1.9, 'away' should be in italics; little was done to improve the awkward rendering in 2 Peter 1.10)
34:43 Summary
This edition and similar 2020 NASB editions can be purchased here: www.christianbook.com/Christian/Books/easy_find?Ntt=2020+nasb&N=0&Ntk=keywords&action=Search&Ne=0&event=ESRCG&nav_search=1&cms=1&ps_exit=RETURN .
When you say a ‘quick look’… you give a proper review. When other TH-cam bible reviewers say ‘review’ … they give a quick look. Life is full of surprises 😜.
Thanks for a detailed job, well done.
Excellent, detailed look, as always. This will be very helpful to people who were curious about the NASB 2020.
Thanks for the kind comment, A Frisch Perspective!
Excellent! Wasn’t sure about this revision, but I am liking it more and more. ✝️
As always sir, fantastic and thorough review. This was very helpful.
love the attention to detail in your videos
Finally! Thank you for doing this review. You were the one I am waiting for to do this comprehensive review of the new NASB 2020 revision since you basically cover all grounds. I havenʼt got my hands on any hardcopy yet so it would be helpful for me to see the review of those who were able to get their hands first on this new edition.
First thing I immediately noticed: the typeface looks quite like Crosswayʼs ESV text-or is it just me? Haha! Plus the titles for every new book looks like it was from Schuylerʼs styling. It may be just me but I kind of notice those aforementioned similiraties. I like it, though! It honestly looks a lot modern compared to the last printing run of the NASB1995 last 2017.
It also helps that they updated to capitalize upon new manuscripts with the NA28. It helps that they keep up with the times in manuscript studies. The black-letter text is a good one also. That with the capitalization of Old Testament quotations in the New Testament are Lockman Foundation trademarks that I will always appreciate with their printing.
Again, thank you for this doing. I have been waiting for the NASB2020 update since I first got hold of the news back in 2018. All in all, it was a much needed one.
God bless you!
Nice breakdown of some of the areas many folks had concerns about. I had some reservations about the update. No dealbreakers from what I can see in your review . Looking forward to purchasing one next year .
Thank you for your detailed review.
Blessings
Thanks for the thorough presentation, my friend!
Another great video, Dr. Jones. I must admit, the renderings of this edition are not nearly as obnoxious to me as I had anticipated. Thank you for your time in putting this together!
Thanks very much for the comment, Parker! That was my reaction also. I'm trying to decide whether to use the 2020 NAS as a secondary translation, perhaps alongside one that employs the older standard English (e.g., the KJV, RV, ASV, or RSV).
@@RGrantJones Would you say that you prefer the 2020 update to the 1995?
@@Ambrose_op - no, I haven't come to that conclusion yet -- and I still prefer the '77 edition to either! Thanks for the question!
My Dear Sir, Thank You so much for another fine review. Looking forward it’s good to see the line matching, & looking backward, it’s good to see they kept the extra word in italics. I’ll pick one up when the Spirit moves.
Blessings,
John
Thanks for the kind comment, John! It appears to me that the 2020 crew were more careful with details regarding italics and marginal notes than their 1995 predecessors.
Thanks for another extensive, thoughtful review.
Sounds like the 2020 brings improvements and disappointments.
Peace.
I love the beautiful gold gilt on the sides!
Very thorough! Thank you.😊
This is a great review. Thank you.
Thank you for the encouraging comment!
I think I'm getting burned out on all the new Bibles constantly coming out. What was wrong with the 77 NASB, let alone the 95 NASB? Greek can't be the most complicated language. Now Mandarin is brutal, there are Chinese natives that struggle with that language. Had the Bible come out in Mandarin I would totally understand update after update over thousands of years.
Thanks Grant for another great review. I recently received my copy of the NASB 2020 and am going through it as well.
Thanks for the encouraging comment, Felix!
As always, I verily appreciate the effort you pour into these reviews and analyses. If I might be so bold as to offer a suggestion, the viewers may benefit from a "live interaction" recorded with your slides. Akin to how "Daily Dose of Greek" draws the attention to the pertinent text on your slide. The virtual markings would aid in focusing on what you are discussing at that moment. I especially considered this while you were highlighting the differences between four different translation renderings with the "gender accuracy" portion. Regardless of my deficiencies in comprehension, I value your labor! Thank you! SDG!
Thanks for the gracious comment, William! That's an excellent suggestion! I watch Daily Dose of Greek every weekday, so I understand what you mean. My problem is that I'm not tech savvy enough to do anything like that, at least not yet.
@@RGrantJones that I understand completely! I foolishly offered an idea that I myself lack the capacity to employ. Perhaps you could find away to point to the text with your drafting pencil the way you do with the physical content! I thank you again, brother! (Mortal? :P )
@@williamdevenney2968 - LOL! "Brother" will do fine, brother!
I’ve been on the fence about this edition. You’re reviews are some of the most helpful on the net. I wish they could have become more literal and made their updates without changing the language (brethren, etc). As they say on Shark Tank “For that reason, I’m out) 😂
Thanks for the encouraging comment, Pete! I've tried to use the 2020 NASB, but I've ended up where you are. The LSB looks promising -- waiting to see a fully annotated reference edition.
@@RGrantJonesHave you found the LSB annotated reference edition ?
@@akhiker01 - No, but I haven't looked recently. Has one been published?
Next month the LSB will be out. I look forward to your review.
I like what I've seen so far, and I preordered a copy of the New Testament and Psalms. I may post an unboxing video when it arrives, but it will likely take me a few weeks to assess the translation. Thanks for commenting!
Just an update Sir Jones I just saw for all your subscribers, the NASB 2020 is now available on the Youversion Bible app and it's available for free download for offline use. I just saw it when I referred to app to do a verse comparison and realised that there was listed both the NASB 1995 and NASB 2020 and both of them can be downloaded for free.
Thanks very much for letting us know, Edward!
Thanks for an excellent review. I was surprised to hear that NASB 20 is more literal than 95 edition. The only thing I don't care for is the use of contractions. I like the use of italics for added words - I wish the ESV had done this. I'm pleased that we continue to have some good literal translations like KJV, NASB, NKJV, ESV - I'm not overly pleased with any of the NIV editions. I prefer more majestic language and still use the KJV along with those mentioned above. Thanks again for a great review.
Curious about your thoughts on the Second Edition of the MacArthur Study Bible, I just ordered a copy.
Shouldn't you say "The only thing I DO NOT care for is the use of contractions"? 😂
Love this in depth review. I don't really like some of the stylistic changes like "let's" for a call to action, "rebuke" instead of "reprove", etc. It doesn't make it any clearer; it reminds me of when my college engineering professor said, "to sell a new edition, they need to make at least 15% changes form the previous edition", demonstrating change doesn't necessarily mean improvement (whether that number is accurate or not).
The updates to footnotes and italicized words are good, but I don't think those are enough to make me switch over completely from the 95 to 2020.
Excellent and thorough review! I concur with your preference for more formal language, and don't care for the overall watering down and smoothing over of the 2020. I might eventually get it out of curiosity, but will stick with the 77 and see what the LSB brings to the table.
Having watched this, I don't think this update was necessary. I did see some things that were improvements but alway saw some things that were regressive. The change from brethren to brother and sister with the and sister in italics isn't the worst thing they could have done, at least that places the onus on the reader to choose. I think I'll stick with the 95 for now at least, maybe if I read it some more it might frow on me. One thing I really like though is the layout. It is really awesome. The paper could have been better, but still this new layout is amazing. The centre column references and the notes at the bottom. Plus the all black letter is just good. The NKJV still rules for me, and as a second Bible I'm unsure between the KJV, NASB and the ESV. I await your video on the ESV vs NKJV, maybe that will help me make up my mind. Really great video. Think Lockman Foundation owes you for this video because you might have just alleviated many people's fears. Thank you for sharing your.
Thanks for commenting, Edward! I agree that some of the changes weren't needed, and a few were backward steps. I, too, like the fact that the text and translation notes have been split off from the references in this edition. It makes them easier to find.
Thank you so much for these patiently elaborated reviews! You do your viewers a great service. Have you looked at AMG's '77 NASB? It seems to be the only in-print edition of the classic '77.
Thanks for the encouraging comment! I haven't seen the AMG edition of the '77 NASB, except for photos or pdf samples online. I'm glad the '77 is still being published, but I wish AMG had chosen to print an edition that contains *all* of the NASB text and translation notes. I hope the upcoming Legacy Standard Bible will be as good as the '77 NASB, perhaps better.
Good Comment! AMG also prints the 77 NASB in the New Testament and in the Keyword Study Bible. The NASB77 will be reprinted by Zondervan in summer 2021 when they reprint the Thompson Chain Reference in the NASB77.
Have you done a review of the new revised Standard Version I got a new copy today and really like it so far.
Thanks so much for your video - I just came across it as i was searching for a review of the nasb 2020 - I often use the RSV - what are your thoughts on the RSV? Thanks again, Alan
Thanks for commenting, Alan! The RSV has been my primary translation for the past few months. I very much enjoy it. In case you haven't heard, Schuyler plans to publish a premium edition of the RSV this year, both with and without the Apocrypha.
Thank you so much. I've just read two passage in the NT in the NASB2020 and the RSV and I must confess that the RSV is easier to understand, although I do prefer brothers and sisters - I'll be thinking through which one to use on a regular basis - you videos are so helpful - thanks
I’m a pretty big fan still of the 77 text.
Super tiny comment on a fantastic review. John 7:50, "the one who" is typical greeklish for a substantival participle. The Greek is ο ελθων or "the one coming." It's how I'd translate it in school to remind myself that this is not a verb with an assumed subject, but rather a participle with an article.
All that to say, the original '95 rendering was perfectly acceptable and this change only tells Greek readers what's behind the text, but is not really an improvement to our brothers (and sisters...haha) who only read English.
Thanks for the comment, Jack! What you've written about substantival participles, I've said myself in several videos, and 'the one who' approach is in keeping with the Colorado Springs Guidelines, as I understand them. But 'he who' is the way older standard English translated such participles, back in the days when 'he' was understood to be inclusive. All I was trying to say in this video is that there didn't seem to be any reason to make the change, since we all know Nicodemus was male.
I LIKE LSB NOW. IN FEB 2022.
I am a lazy person and nasb was the only bible I have ever read cover to cover and I did it a long time ago when I was a kid. I hope they come out with a kjv nasb parallel bible soon.
Hi Mr Jones, You might like to know that SPCK in the UK will release their ESV-CE range of bibles in February. I look forward to your reviews! Best wishes! Paul
Very interesting! Looking forward to seeing the formats they put in print, but it may be a challenge for me to get copies here in the U.S.
@@RGrantJones Meant to ask you, too, about the EOB zipper NT volume that you reviewed. (It's pricey, isn't it!) Does it contain the story of the woman caught in adultery (John 8)? Where does the translation lie on your continuum? Tempted to buy it! It's an attractive little volume. Thanks!
@@paulcollins6732 - thanks for the question! Yes, the EOB NT contains the story of the woman taken in adultery. In fact, I compared it to the NKJV in that passage at about the 26:50 point in this video: th-cam.com/video/Vx6WTuAvBWw/w-d-xo.html . I haven't scored the EOB NT for liberties, but my impression is that it's close to the NKJV. (Yes, it's expensive for a New Testament. But I suspect there was a small print run.)
@@RGrantJones Many thanks! Very helpful. My last point: I met an RC scripture scholar who was very impressed with the the NET - a new (completely online, I believe) translation. Have you reviewed it? Thank you again, and keep up the Go(o)d work!
@@paulcollins6732 - Thanks for the gracious comment! Regarding the NET, I posted two videos about an earlier edition. I intend to review the most recent edition in the near future, but most of the changes it implements have to do with font, format, and paper quality -- not content. Here's the first video of the two: th-cam.com/video/vBGAEBO-xU8/w-d-xo.html .
Do you prefer the 1977 NASB over the recent LSB?
Thank you very much. I imagine you prefer the NKJV over this Bible. Yet, I wonder if the translation notes are better in the NASB 2020
Thanks for the kind comment, Fernando! Yes, in general I do prefer the NKJV to the NASB. Regarding the notes, many of the NASB's 'Lit.' notes aren't required in the NKJV, because the NKJV puts the literal rendering in the text. The NKJV's notes give the reader far more insight into major textual variants.
@@RGrantJones I think my problem with the NKJV is not about literalness or textual basis, but that it does not generally read as well as the RSV or JB, for example.
@@FernandoSerna1654 - I agree. Some of that is due to the NKJV translators' desire to stay close to the KJV in word order and vocabulary.
Oh wow I enjoyed the Tyndale house chart, I’m quite fond of their methodology. I think external evidence far outweighs internal, since it is more objective. NA28 really messed up on 2 Peter 3:10 in my opinion.
It’s also interesting to see that the NRSV doesn’t follow the Masoretic text as much as most translations. I guess I can see why it is seen as the standard translation in secular academia. I think every translation should listen to the DSS far more closely (and the LXX but not as much as the DSS). In fact I think the DSS should be seen as the base text in the places we have it but maybe that’s just me.
Thanks for commenting! The NRSV's willingness to follow the DSS or LXX so frequently is one of its better features, as far as I'm concerned.
@R. Grant Jones, I would say please also review commentaries.
JPS Torah series
NICOT
etc and some books like
RK Harrison's survey
Gleason archer's survey
Yale Anchor commentaries etc
Buy one by one ofcourse , that would be epic
I hope I'm not making a bad conclusion, but I really don't see enough justification for doing a new edition. The changes are not that great of a deal, though I have to admit I like my RSV2CE and they did some actualizations here and there. I don't like the "gender accurate" thing, but is not that bad in this Bible. I can recommended to people.
Thanks for the comment! Many of the changes were of the 'happy' to 'glad' type, and so unnecessary, in my opinion. But some were real improvements, and there were some other changes I would have made that this committee didn't choose to implement.
I'm kind of stand offish about 2020 NASB. I think the whole Legacy Standard Bible will be more my taste. I've enjoyed the LSB NT with Psalms and Proverbs thus far
How does this compare with the 1995 New American Standard Bible?
I'm [ probably not ] upgrading my Nasb . [ Let's ]😜..hope the NKJV never has a new "more modern" update .
I've tried to get used to the 2020 NASB, but no success so far. The LSB seems to be the NASB of the future. Thanks for commenting, Airik1111!
I don't like center-column references anymore because they're usually too small to read and they take up space that could be devoted to a bigger font in a two-column setting and putting the references and notes or the footnotes at the bottom.like Quentel or Nelson premier version of NKJV. OR the PREACHING BIBLE with 11.5 FONT.
The Bibles are really nice can I bought them in the Philippines?
Is there a large print version that isn’t ultra thin? So it can have better quality paper?
Not that I'm aware of. If you do a search on "2020 NASB" at the Christian Book Distributors, there are only a few editions available. The thickest seems to be a giant print text Bible. It's an inch and a half thick.
@@RGrantJones the giant print does look nice actually
Genesis 5 verse 2 in the King James version I think it says that God called their name Adam
It appears to me the most reliable way to avoid getting tangled up with the invasion of western gender confusion into the bible text is to stick with the King James Version. It is still the best English Bible in my opinion. And there are plenty of resources which allow me to look up the basic meaning of words with something like Strongs Concordance.
Interested in your thoughts regarding the NASB2020 following the Masoretic text more slavishly than the DSS or Septuagint as claimed by th-cam.com/video/N9n4HwZn3pk/w-d-xo.html. Would you agree or disagree as it seems to me your review contradicts that review/conclusion.
Mark - if the reviewer said that NASB2020 follows the Masoretic more closely than it follows the DSS or LXX, he's right. There's no doubt that's true of most English translations. But the 2020 NASB is less loyal to the Masoretic Text than the 95 NASB was, based on the 100 verses I examined. Could I have come to a different conclusion if I'd examined 200 or 300 variants? I suppose it's possible.
@@RGrantJones I guess this is why I have moved towards the NET bible and NRSV. Thank you!
Ps 34.19 in KJV and NASB 95 are identical Except NASB changes
DELIVERETH TO DELIVERS.
and is same in other verses.
I was thinking about buying BUT it does not come in a box Cheap! Christian book store does show what the 2020 version page looks, but it hides the transparent pages now I know why ghosting galore? Black ink only disappointing lockman blows it again. Keep it i will pass!
Please speak louder. Because of small speakers on small tech devices. And choose a better typeface on your charts. A font in which the the capital 'i' looks different than the lowercase case 'L'. Please be careful and accurate. God bless and adieu.
Thank you for the constructive criticism, hetrogamr84! It may be that God doesn't want my videos to be shown on small tech devices: I have a weak voice. Perhaps I'll be able to improve things in the near future. I haven't been able to find an external mic compatible with the camera I used in this video, but I should have a new camera by the end of the year. So I may be able to solve the volume problem by increasing the gain on the external mic. We'll see.
I don't understand millimeters
Maybe it was done this way to appeal to a wider audience as there are only about 2 or 3 countries in the world that do not use millimeters and metric measurements.
Hello my friend.
I need to know about your book order
It there include of lost bibles books into
Together all in one book.I would like to
Order A book too.but if not include all of lost
Book into.I not order.
Please.write text message or reply
To me.Thankyou.
Thanks for commenting! I'm not sure the book you're looking for has been published. I have a book entitled "The Lost Books of the Bible and The Forgotten Books of Eden," but I doubt it has all the books that people have claimed belong in the Bible.
Johm 6:37 the "All" is referring to persons ( note the phrase comes to me and the one who comes to me). Its meaning is only those the Father gives WILL come and actually DO come. Its not referring to trees, birds, mountains, ...THINGS. Changing it to EVERYTHING is a poor choice Greek word PAS does mean all or every, but of something (usage in context matters).....and in this verse it is the specific exclusive group of the ones given.
If they are going to change from ALL ( which is completely unnecessary) They should have translated to ALL WHO or EVERYONE the Father gives.Not a fan of 2020 update .
Your hands look young probably in 30's but your voice sound like you are in late 50's
You may not be able to see the age lines in my fingernails on the video, but they're there. Thanks for commenting!
@@RGrantJones anyway , I would say please also review commentaries.
JPS Torah series
NICOT
etc and some books like
RK Harrison's survey
Gleason archer's survey
Yale Anchor commentaries etc
Buy one by one ofcourse , that would be epic
At least NASB 20 put brothers and sisters with sisters in italics to show it was NOT in original. So why say it? NIV is nothing cp to NASB..95 or 20.
Don't like rsv or NRSV compared to NASB.
Horrible paper, too much show through. I love the 2020 NASB LPUT, great typeface, but the text show-through is horrendous.
What is funny is that more 1995 nasb is being printed than the 2020 nasb so maybe the 2020 nasb will die like the TNIV.
I guess we have had a lot of gender inequality through the years so I am not going to be adverse to the 2020 NASB making a few adjustments in the right directions.
Personally I’m not a fan of the 2020 version of the nasb. I won’t be buying one. I don’t like the terminology they used to explain their reasoning for the “gender inclusivity”. That sounds very progressive and socialist to me and I have a problem with Bible companies, and churches pushing the fact that the Bible wasn’t inclusive enough to begin with. As a woman I NEVER thought the word of God was only meant for men. I never read brethren or mankind and thought oh that doesn’t include me. Of course it does. God cares for both men and women. If you are speaking of a group of men in Spanish you refer to them in the masculine. If you refer to females in Spanish it’s the feminine version of the word. If you are talking about a mixed group you use the masculine. There’s nothing wrong with that. It doesn’t mean I’m not included. I’m sorry I have a major issue with progressive ideology being pushed and seeping into and perverting the word of God.
Thanks for commenting, Jessica! Your views about our language coincide with those of the women who taught me to speak English. Do you have any thoughts about the upcoming Legacy Standard Bible?
R. Grant Jones I looked into it a bit and it seems really interesting and definitely my kind of thing. I saw a video where the gentleman was explaining that the word of God shouldn’t need to be continuously updated if it is a literal word for word translation which is why I love the NASB because it hasn’t needed to be updated and honestly, I don’t think they even really needed to do the 2020 updates. But I’m definitely interested to see how it will read! I got a digital sample from their website that I have to read yet but if I like it, I’ll wait for the whole Bible to come out and probably purchase one! If it’s more accurate and timeless than there NASB I’m all for it!!!
Frank Logsdon Denounces New American
Standard Version (Transcript) Co Author
"I must under God denounce every attachment to the New American Standard Version. I'm afraid I'm in trouble with the Lord...We laid the groundwork; I wrote the format; I helped interview some of the translators; I sat with the translator; I wrote the preface. When you see the preface to the New American Standard, those are my words...it's wrong, it's terribly wrong; it's frightfully wrong...I'm in trouble;...I can no longer ignore these criticisms I am hearing and I can't refute them. The deletions are absolutely frightening...there are so many. The finest leaders that we have today haven't gone into it [new versions of Wescott and Hort's corrupted Greek text] just as I hadn't gone into it...that's how easily one can be deceived...Are we so naive that we do not suspect Satanic deception in all of this?"
- Frank Logsdon
- Logsdon's Pro KJV Anti NASV -
Download MP3
Frank Logsdon was a major player in the development of the New American Standard Bible (NASB). He was a friend of Dewey Lockman, and was involved in a feasibility study involving purchasing the copyright of the American Standard Version (ASV) with Lockman that lead to the eventual production of the NASB. He interviewed some of the translators for the job, and even wrote the preface to the translation.
Slowly, he became aware that there was something wrong with the NASB. He eventually rejected it, and promoted the KJV. This was a major defection for the modern version crowd
Below is his speech, in it's entirety, rejecting the NASB, and endorsing the Textus Receptus and the KJV. (The complete transcript is available here)
www.defendproclaimthefaith.org/dr_frank_logsdon.html
Vaticanus Text (Catholic) disagrees with the Sinaiticus in over 3,000 places. Missing in this text, Gen 1 to 46, There is a supplement to it.
Ps. 107 to 137, Heb 9:14 on missing. All Revelation all 1and 2 Timothy, All Titus, all Philemon.
Frank Logsdon did not write the preface to the NASB nor was he one of the translators.
Reference what? There are 16 verses missing. Another false translation to confuse and question the Words if God. King James only.
While I much prefer the textual basis the KJV/NKJV runs on we do have to admit the KJV is not perfect.
1 Timothy 2:4 for example implies universalism in the KJV. Yet in an interlinear it means that God *desires* all men to be saved not will.
NASB 2020.. The italicized politically correct Bible.. Who should tolerate it, God?
Do you prefer the NASB 2020 Psalms or the NASB 1995 Psalms?