The last part BROKE me because she really felt that she had a connection and someone truly cared but then found out the sad reality she had to face. Someone who was really taken advantage of and she only made it to 19.
She was the saddest case among all his six wifes whose lives he ruined. That child already had a problematic upbringing and probably abused and Henry was the feather on the dump
@@hannahharper7799 oh hello fellow famders who also stan Catherine Howard. (Lets be real, Roman would have so much fun with the 6 gorls, just a headcanon)😊
As a rape victim, the verse and chorus about Thomas bring me to tears. She sings it with so much emotion, and you can clearly tell what story she is telling.
@@multistantrash6367 , if you listen to the lyrics in the end you can tell that kath is being rape, which princesssweetiepie5 can relate and remember cause she's a rape victim. And rape isn't something you can forget and its sad for princess 😔💔
@@khilaamellow890 no, seize means to "take" something and grab it hard. seize the day means to take the day and grab it by the balls and do whatever you want with it. "seize me" means they're holding her very hard and they're hurting her, doing whatever they want with her. "stop" is a completely incorrect definition, sorry.
Especially as both were manipulated and abused by the men in their lives. (Boleyn was puppeted into Henry's arms by her father after her older sister failed to earn them power)
They were the only ones beheaded because 1) They were commomers, AND 2) They didn't either die on their own, give birth to a living son, OR manipulate and outlive him. If Jane Seymour hadn't had a son (and, therefore, lived), she would've been replaced. The easiest way to replace a commomer was execution on (at least in Boleyn's case) trumped up charges. There was a point where Catherine Parr was about to be arrested and (probably) executed for heresy, but she found out about it ahead of time and was able to manipulate Henry. The execution of Catherine of Aragon would've caused an international incident and probably a war. Believe me, he would've if he could've. There was no need to execute Cleves, but if she had not been royal (and agreed to an annulment), she would've been a goner as well. Royal relatives or a living son are the only things that would've kept any of these ladies alive. A living son is the only thing that would've secured any of his wives' position as queen.
I just realised that both beheaded wives (K. Howard and A. Boleyn) are wearing chokers with their first initial. This may symbolise their severed head being “put back on”. How else would they be able to be live in modern day?
*_Breakdown of Katherine Howard's abuse in All You Wanna Do_* --- Mannox: She was purely innocent of bad intentions and was preyed on in the situation as she was taken advantage of someone who should have guided her and protected her (her teacher). She probably thought it was just a fun activity because of the pleasure she felt when it happened. She didn't know WHAT was even happening and didn't know how seriously bad it was. - Dereham: At this point she has a grasp on relationships like any other young teen, possibly tricked into ""helping"" him (the "Quill"). Dereham probably played with her and her feelings by making her doing things, asking her to return for more and praising her. She went into it thinking everything would turn out fine and he'd be perfect and care for her, like any young person looking for love. He didn't. - Henry: She had a new opportunity to work and get a fresh start from the manipulation and better her life. She did her job in court as well as she can but she only just gets noticed as this sexy figure by the King and gets trapped into being with him because of his superiority (super pressuring for the young lady-in-waiting). She starts to feel she'll always be attacked by other powerful people and it can't be stopped. - Thomas: Sick and tired of previous advances, Katherine now was just trying to find just a normal friendship with a guy in her stressful situation, but it turns out he was eyeing her up too. Tried to get away from the abuse but it ended up coming back to her, and especially from someone she never thought would be the cause. It sounds like he wouldn't stop making advances and ended up forcing himself on her, which was a terrifying breaking point for her. --- Being used for her body and abused because of it in her (sadly short) life made her feel miserable as HELL. People were always into her and keep affronting that she's also into it too (WE have a connection) made her feel that she couldn't do anything to stop them because they wouldn't listen or leave her alone/ would continue. Not to mention, she was probably blamed for most of the affairs and was killed because of it. This poor Queen went through so much, at such a young unprepared age. No one deserves this. Seriously, it's fucking infuriating that this still happens even in today's time.
@@eleanorm9333 Thomas and Katherine's relationship seems to have been consensual. She planned on marrying him before she ultimately ended up marrying the King. Even after that, he was referred to as "a man who succeeded the King in her affections." Funnily enough, Anne Boleyn's sister in law helped organise secret meetings between Katherine and Thomas. Katherine does seem to have had a difficult relationship with intimacy, though. Probably connected to her molestation at the age of 13 by a man almost thriple her own age at the time.
some facts about katherine howard: - she was beheaded when she was only around 18 or 19 (her exact birthdate is unkown) - henry mannox was most likely around 36, not 23 - she was anne boleyn's first cousin - she loved animals, especially dogs - she loved dancing and got lessons for it - she had a good sense of humor and was described as being 'giggly' - it's unknown whether her name is spelled with a C or K since it was written differently on many occasions, but evidence suggests it was *probably* with a C (but tbh just write it how you want) - the 'thomas' guy at the end (thomas culpeper) was her distant cousin - her mom died when she was 5 and her dad died when she was around 15 - the night before her execution, she reportedly spent hours practising how to lay her head on the block - during her execution she was pale and scared and needed assistance to get there - reportedly her last words were "i die a queen, but i would rather have died the wife of culpeper" (mostly folklore and there's no real evidence to support this, but still worth noting) - she was buried in an unmarked grave so no one really knows where she lies she won that competition for sure
lilliah Fredlund in class I learned about king Henry the 8ths six wives but there wasn’t enough details about the wives, the teacher put a song on TH-cam about it that gave some details.
I watched some documentary on the wives and they said she practiced how to lay her head on the block. Before she was killed, I can't remember what she said but she gave a small speech about who women shouldn't follow her example as she had failed god or something idk. I think the whole speech thing was really mature of her though
the choreography for all you wanna do was so cool. Each chorus the queens put their hands on her more and more till the last chorus where she was singing/sobbing and pushing the hands off. She also gets more tired/sloppy with the choreography as the song goes on. It was hella depressing but crazy cool.
Katherine Howard and Anne Boleyn were the saddest cases in British history. Anne was beheaded for having a redhead girl,and poor Katherine was probably abused and she was beheaded at the age of 19. Henry VIII was a complete psycho and I don’t know how Catherine Parr survived. Jane Seymour technically survived,too. Anne and Katherine were first cousins as well. I love our history here in Britain-it’s so interesting!
Lexie Foster Anne Boleyn was beheaded because she flirted with all the boys (like she said in don’t lose your head) but also because she couldn’t have a boy it doesn’t really matter wether the hair was ginger or not
Lexie Foster also Catherine Parr survived because Henry was ready to try and find someone to just look after him not give him an heir of England as Jane Seymour has a Son who would take over Henry (even though shortly after Edward became King he died as he was ill) Catherine Parr just helped Henry enjoy the rest of his life
Katherine was most definitely abused. I am no expert on Tudor history, but from what I’ve found, she was sexually assaulted and basically pimped our her whole life. There is a clip from a movie about it with her last moments and it is heartbreaking.
I think it emphasises the fact that she was so young for all of her life. I mean she died when she was like 18 so she was a child when most of this happened.
I think the whole idea is that both Ariana and Britney were overly sexualised from a very young age, which is why she looks like Ari and has a kind of of Britney and Ari sound, too. At least that's what I took from it haha.
This song is PERFECT for describing the life of Katherine Howard. She has always been my favorite. I feel such sympathy for her because none of it was really her fault. How could she possibly have known how to deal with all of this at her age? Had she just admitted to a precontract with either of these guys (Dereham OR Mannox), she would've been spared. Poor little angel! I am a student of Henry VIII and Tudor times, but I will say this: Henry VIII was a true pig for marrying her.
So Thomas was Katherine Howard’s cousin (who she has a fling with) Anne Boleyn and Katherine Howard are first cousins Jane Seymour is their second cousin And after Henry VIII died Catherine Parr married Jane Seymour’s brother. I’m shook
Just imagine the conversation between Katherine and Anne... "So....you lost your head too?" "Yup. Surprising how England loves to chop off heads with axes. It's so uncomfortable...." "I got beheaded by a sword. Quick." "Lucky...."
I love everyone is here with their complicated theories and I'm just like did u guys know that the musical is called Six because Henry had Six wives. Literally shook
I think this guy is different!! I’m sure this time is different! I guess it’s not so different. I thought this time was different... Why’d I think he’d be different? It’s _never ever_ different.
Did anyone ever think that the breath after the kiss may symbolize her taking her last breath since the song does end with that breath and she was beheaded? Also, I’ve never seen this performed live, but I imagine during the final verses of “Playtime’s over” when the other girls are singing it, she’s being hauled off to get her head chopped off and she’s yelling for help and no one can help her because it’s already happened and they can’t change that. Then she begins singing again up until the final ‘mwah’.
@@avawasserman260 she was being manipulated to do things with people when she was as young as 13 he was 10 years older and Henry was 30 years older that is sick
@@maramarshall157 I know and I'm not saying that it isn't sick. However the 1400s was an Extremely different time and women were not treated the way they are now. The age of consent was not a thing and men and women would either die from disease or childbirth very early. Most would not make it to age 20. You have to remember that these events took place 400 years ago and no one can be absolutely sure of what happened
I found out about Six the musical a couple days ago. I love learning about history and the British royalty and remember learning about Henry's six wives. This is a really good musical, love it so far.
Kat Howard is honestly so tragic. She was a victim of sexual abuse. But she couldn’t escape it no matter where she went. That honestly hurts to realize, considering how much trauma is invalidated even now. Honestly, Kat Howard’s tale of abuse is one of many. But so few of them are truly told, set aside in favour of more “palatable” tales and making victims of abuse feel unrepresented.
I feel you, and some people are saying this was very common back then and acting like it wasn't a big deal, it is a big deal, even if pedophilia was more 'accepted' (inawayitwas,lookathegreeks) it's still a literal child involved in thing they shouldn't at that age. She really seems like a victim of sexual abuse and doing what she knows best, sex.
@@vitas5839 exactly, it seems so normal for her and at that age it shouldn't be that way.. She was just so young. You can really see that in the way she feels "chemistry" its such manipulation from much older men.
The thing that strikes me the most is how she starts with the idea that it's how people show love. So many girls even now feel like older guys really love them when they're just being groomed.
Omg I just realized something, if you dont know during the part I Dont Need Your Love. Katherine made a point to the group that they all compared themselves to Henry, as one of his six wives. And since she compared her whole life and then Henry, making she was just trying to prove a point about how they shouldn’t compare to themselves for just being wives and just compare how their life was in general before and after meeting Henry.
The thing about this that makes me the most upset is that she just wanted a friend. She wanted no more chemistry and she didn't want to be used as a "plaything" anymore. the "mwah exhale" is getting more sloppy progressing the song. I believe it's going from a sigh that's streotypical i Am In LoVe thing to I'm tired of this. It's so sad. I CAN'T SHES SUCH A MUFFIN I WANNA GIVE HER A HUG
When they arrested her she broke free from the guards and ran down the hall screaming that she is innocent and crying before they grabbed her again. They say her ghost still roams around this hall trying to convince them of her innocence. Only 18/19 years old.
This song is truly a work of art. I have barely hear songs where it starts off one way and then gradually gets darker as the song progresses. Brand new favorite song!
When Howard did high pitched note when she sang the last playtimes over at the end it made me realize that sounded like what someone would scream if they were getting beheaded!😳
Ah I do love the touch of changing the chorus to reflect her feelings about the dude she’s with. It goes from being super excited and into it to really not and tired of it. Please to seize and so on, I do so enjoy that
Get ready for a long as comment: Mannox: “ Tell me what you need, what you want you don’t need to plead, cause I feel the chemistry like I get you and you get me. And maybe this is it, he just cares so much it feels legit, we have a connect, I think this guy is different. ” she was younger it was her first time fooling around and she believed it was special. Believing what he told her about the connection Dereham: “ you say I’m all you need, all you want. You don’t need to plead cause I feel the chemistry like I get you and you get me. And I know this is it. He just cares so much, this ones legit. We have a real connection. I’m sure this time is different.” Mannox and her didn’t work out and she still has hope she’ll find a guy who cares, convincing herself this time with Dereham, it’ll be different. *doesn’t work out so she takes a break. * Henry the 8th - “ you say I’m all you need, all you want, we both agree. This is the place for me. I’m finally where I’m meant to be. Then he starts saying all this stuff... he just cares so much, he calls me love. He says we have this connection, I guess it’s not so different . “ she doesn’t feel anything with him, that’s why she didn’t say the “I feel the chemistry” line,she’s tired of hearing the same thing, she’s lost hope. She sounds hopeless, not pleased, uncomfortable when she says “ he starts saying all this stuff “ bc she’s heard it before and she knows it’s not true and you can tell she’s affected by it. *^ they got married and she doesn’t really like him, hence the emotionless whoo* Thomas - “ this guy finally is what I want. The friend I need. Just mates no chemistry. I get him and he gets me.” She finds it refreshing that he wasn’t telling her that they had something special and that’s what she wanted to hear. “And there’s nothing more to it. He just cares so much, he’s devoted. He says we have a connection... I thought this time was different. Why did I think he’d be different. But it’s never ever different” he tells her they have something special like the others and she’s scolding herself for getting involved and thinking things would change.
Said by Deva from Musical Hell, the song starts out like a “I’m better then the other girls” to a teenage girl sexual exploitation fantasy and it reminiscent to Britney Spears pop album adding more of a disturbances
I love the way they worded everything to show how young/naive she was. Like she never specifically says anything sexual that happened and using simple words and using playtime and enoughsies
Nobody: Not a single soul: TIK TOK: *LETS JUST STEAL THIS SO PEOPLE SHOW THEIR SIGNIFICANT OTHER WITHOUT HEARING THE WHOLE SONG AND WHAT ITS ABOUT* 3:16
What really got me about Catherine's story is that the night before her execution she asked for the block to be placed in her cell so she could "practice" lying her head on it. She was doing the best she could to be ready for her execution and she was only 18 or19! So sad... groomed, exploited, and used all her short life :(
Yeah, she was beheaded cause she cheated on Henry and if i remember well it's Henry Manox who find the proof to accuse her. And all of her lover were executed too (i studying the history of England right now)
Daniel Acedilla i don’t remember very well why he did it (maybe it was to save his life) and i’m not sure Mannox was kill (i will consult my note tomorrow just to be sure) but i am certain that Henry execute Dereham and Thomas Culpeper (she was having a supposing pre-contract with Dereham and it was consider like a mariage back then)
Im i the only one who cant get the siong off repeat?? I felt this on an emotional level..its sad to say at least a good 80% of women expirence one of those situations. 😭😭😭i cant stop crying and singing..it makes me conflicted about my feelings bc its so catchy but its so horidly sad😥
Katherine says "this guy might be different" for the first man described using her, her music teacher (1:25) could this allude to someone previously in her life sexually abusing her, such as her father, is probably the most likely as she was still a child (13)
I'M CRYING THE SINGER IS TOO TALENTED I REALLY CAN'T SING THE EXACT SAME THING WHEN SHE SINGS “And I was THIRTEEN going on 30” LIKE HER VOICE THERE IS JUST AMAZING
The repetition of "playtime's over" really gets me, because she was r*ped by multiple men starting when she was 13 and continuing until she was killed at 19. For her, playtime was over, because they took what remained of her childhood, then Henry took what remained of her life.
"We spent hours strumming the lute Striking the chords and blowing the flute He plucked my strings all the way to G Went from major to minor, C to D." *_alright girl, damn._*
my goodness this song is phenomenal i'm not sure whether to get up and dance, cry uncontrollably, or smash something out of rage towards these dudes...or all 3 at the same time
Broad, dark, mannox. Taught me all about dynamics. He was 36 and I was 13, perfect mix. This would have been a better lyric since he was actually 36 and not 23! And it says “perfect mix” because she ‘loved’ him, (Ew, she’s a child!).
Something I just started to notice. She thought her life was so normal. And as it went on K. Howard started to realize that it wasn't normal. That it was actually kind of fucked up. And at the very end she finally comes to terms with the trauma. It's actually common for trauma to take a while to manifest. And it can hit you like a bus once it comes to. That actually happened to me. It took me nearly 4 years to realize something traumatic happened. And that's kind of what happened here. It hit her all at once. In that one moment. I feel for her.
In a different musical I might agree, but I think the title they have is smart. I see it as a reference to the fact that everyone is so focused on her body, not her feelings.
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Aimie is so talented like omfgggggggggg
Ella Higgins it’s not her singing
@@joshua_hailey It's not? Was Aimie not in the original cast?
@@joshua_hailey yeah it is!
@@cassieroberts1004 it is her, idk why they don't think it is 😂
@@rice9455 Okay, so I'm not going insane then. I thought she was the original actress
We have a real connection ;)
We have a real connection :)
We have a real connection :/
We have a real connection...
b i s e x u a l b e e that’s how sad K Howard’s life was
:'(
;(
Every time she says the next one, I feel sadder :( You can tell that her faith in a real friendship/companion just gets broken
@@m.b.6137 awwe :(
All she needs is a gay best friend.
The last part BROKE me because she really felt that she had a connection and someone truly cared but then found out the sad reality she had to face. Someone who was really taken advantage of and she only made it to 19.
I know right oh my lord
What's worse is he was her cousin so she should have been able to trust him to not have those sort of feelings for her
@@myiachanmagicalgirl actually liking a cousin that way was quiet normal during those times.
Miss Vixen s w e e t h o m e a l a b a m a
APgt Thomas at the end was her cousin
I honestly feel so bad for K. Howard. She was abused in a male-dominated era and couldn't get help.
Anna yeah when she was just a little kid a 13 year old
Thank god in southeast asia women are more dominant than men, none of them had to experience stuff like this
@@MR-tf8lh yeah well men from southeast asia are generally a bunch of pussies
And the women aren't that special either🤷🏿♂️
Dynamic Duo
Which countries are you talking about?
@@marsjaatelo5697 *EqUaLiTy*
She was the saddest case among all his six wifes whose lives he ruined. That child already had a problematic upbringing and probably abused and Henry was the feather on the dump
Well then i guess shes the leader of the band now (sorry that was a bad joke)
She was 18 or 19 when she was beheaded 🙁
Ruby Street So she had a child at the possible age of 13-17
@@kaedeakamatsu2825 Howard never had a child.
castielsbitch1 Yes She did
This is so catchy but the story behind it is so sad and dark and I'm literally tearing up as I bop along to this bop :'(
same
I was just gonna say that
What is the story behind it ? X
Meghan Robertshaw im a kid would you be willing to tell me the story? :(
ᕼ E ᑕ ᑕ OMG she was only little when her teacher did that to her 😢
Henry was 50 when he married Cathrine Howard.
She was 19
I believe she was younger when she married him, around 16/17
Snow Cherri FBI OPEN UP 😂
Snow Cherri ooo fander ?
She died at 19. So, she married at an earlier age.
@@hannahharper7799 oh hello fellow famders who also stan Catherine Howard. (Lets be real, Roman would have so much fun with the 6 gorls, just a headcanon)😊
It's kinda sad that she says "I was 13 going on 30" because she never made it to 30 yo, she died at 18/19 ... 💔
Not even 20. Well she and Philip Hamilton have something in common.
@Mia ÒwÓ Someone still needs to bring in their Feels Trip permission slip in...
sebastian banguis
WAIT- we don’t know her exact birthdate so she could be 18. SHE WILL NOT BE PHILIP
@@KeepCalmContemplateYourChoices omgggg
13 going on 30 is referring to her fcking around with a 30 y/o when she was 13
As a rape victim, the verse and chorus about Thomas bring me to tears. She sings it with so much emotion, and you can clearly tell what story she is telling.
I know right
princesssweetiepie5 I’m a kid and I don’t get it
@@multistantrash6367 , if you listen to the lyrics in the end you can tell that kath is being rape, which princesssweetiepie5 can relate and remember cause she's a rape victim. And rape isn't something you can forget and its sad for princess 😔💔
I really hope you're doing okay now xx
I get the same feeling from it especially the fairest of the fair line I’m also a survivor and sometimes I feel like screaming sort of like that
i'll never have *enoughsies* of this song
Starkid?
Same
JDJSSK A STARKID AND SIX FAN
@@letmepukeinyourmouth8520
lol your name is probably is really weird to anyone who isn't a starkid fan
@@stegosaurus6654 Lol that's what I love about it. :D
omg at the beginning she says “please me squeeze me” BUT AT THE END SHE SAYS “SIEZE me squeeze me” what. my heart:((
squeeze me don't care if you dont please me
English isn't my first language, what is the meaning of 'sieze me' in that regard?
khilaa mellow 'seize' means to stop, for example how the phrase 'seize the day' is used to say end the day. basically it means to end her life.
@@deborahlawrence3937 wow ok thank you so much ! ♡
@@khilaamellow890 no, seize means to "take" something and grab it hard. seize the day means to take the day and grab it by the balls and do whatever you want with it. "seize me" means they're holding her very hard and they're hurting her, doing whatever they want with her. "stop" is a completely incorrect definition, sorry.
I only just just found out that Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard were first cousins. It's honestly so sad that they were the two who were beheaded. x
Especially as both were manipulated and abused by the men in their lives. (Boleyn was puppeted into Henry's arms by her father after her older sister failed to earn them power)
Catherine Parr was supposed to executed but Henry died before they could
sunshinerr and Jane Seymour
sunshinerr they were cousins too
They were the only ones beheaded because 1) They were commomers, AND
2) They didn't either die on their own, give birth to a living son, OR manipulate and outlive him.
If Jane Seymour hadn't had a son (and, therefore, lived), she would've been replaced. The easiest way to replace a commomer was execution on (at least in Boleyn's case) trumped up charges.
There was a point where Catherine Parr was about to be arrested and (probably) executed for heresy, but she found out about it ahead of time and was able to manipulate Henry.
The execution of Catherine of Aragon would've caused an international incident and probably a war. Believe me, he would've if he could've.
There was no need to execute Cleves, but if she had not been royal (and agreed to an annulment), she would've been a goner as well.
Royal relatives or a living son are the only things that would've kept any of these ladies alive. A living son is the only thing that would've secured any of his wives' position as queen.
That "whoo" after she said "we got married" was very.....umm..... unenthusiastic.....
graceub 28 very 🤣
It’s supposed to be 🤦🏼♀️
It’s meant to be,she didn’t like him
or even sarcastic 😂
I wonder why
Thomas Culpepper: the original nice guy
stella samuelsen actually it was this guy called uga booga ,900bc ,a girl wouldnt have ooga with him so he smashed her head in with a sharp rock
@@positivitea5296
Tffff
@@positivitea5296 LMAO
Positivi Tea yes.
Positivi Tea GOTTA BLAST
as a flute player, i have mixed feelings about that euphamism
Meeeeee toooooo
yo it seems like they learned a lot in music class then
and they taught you something about _dynamics._
@@zaynahlliambitanga2879
"One time, at a band camp.."
(Any American pie movie fans here)
Same..
I just realised that both beheaded wives (K. Howard and A. Boleyn) are wearing chokers with their first initial. This may symbolise their severed head being “put back on”. How else would they be able to be live in modern day?
They were also first cousins!
Hamilton Hits
Wow, you learn something new everyday!
anne's is also a reference to the "B" necklace from her most famous portrait
@@waxstrips And they were both half second cousins to Jane Seymour!!
Blenniidaee I totally forgot about that!
*Can we just talk about how Henry married 3 Catherines.*
And two Annes... Or one Anne (Boleyn) and one Anna (of Cleves) but shes mostly called Anne of Cleves and not Anna.
And then there's jane between all the Catherines and Annes
Oh hey vincent
Soo he was basically Vincent from 'Catherine' except like worse
I guess you could say he married an Abundance of Catherines
(Kill me i dont even fucking like that book)
*_Breakdown of Katherine Howard's abuse in All You Wanna Do_*
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Mannox: She was purely innocent of bad intentions and was preyed on in the situation as she was taken advantage of someone who should have guided her and protected her (her teacher). She probably thought it was just a fun activity because of the pleasure she felt when it happened. She didn't know WHAT was even happening and didn't know how seriously bad it was.
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Dereham: At this point she has a grasp on relationships like any other young teen, possibly tricked into ""helping"" him (the "Quill"). Dereham probably played with her and her feelings by making her doing things, asking her to return for more and praising her. She went into it thinking everything would turn out fine and he'd be perfect and care for her, like any young person looking for love. He didn't.
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Henry: She had a new opportunity to work and get a fresh start from the manipulation and better her life. She did her job in court as well as she can but she only just gets noticed as this sexy figure by the King and gets trapped into being with him because of his superiority (super pressuring for the young lady-in-waiting). She starts to feel she'll always be attacked by other powerful people and it can't be stopped.
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Thomas: Sick and tired of previous advances, Katherine now was just trying to find just a normal friendship with a guy in her stressful situation, but it turns out he was eyeing her up too. Tried to get away from the abuse but it ended up coming back to her, and especially from someone she never thought would be the cause. It sounds like he wouldn't stop making advances and ended up forcing himself on her, which was a terrifying breaking point for her.
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Being used for her body and abused because of it in her (sadly short) life made her feel miserable as HELL. People were always into her and keep affronting that she's also into it too (WE have a connection) made her feel that she couldn't do anything to stop them because they wouldn't listen or leave her alone/ would continue. Not to mention, she was probably blamed for most of the affairs and was killed because of it. This poor Queen went through so much, at such a young unprepared age. No one deserves this. Seriously, it's fucking infuriating that this still happens even in today's time.
the thought of how many young women were probably raped back then is insaaane
Francis actually planned to marry her when he got back from Ireland, but I believe that she was taken up by the king by then...
Did Katherine have an affair with Thomas or did he rape her? Just asking 🙂
@@eleanorm9333 Thomas and Katherine's relationship seems to have been consensual. She planned on marrying him before she ultimately ended up marrying the King. Even after that, he was referred to as "a man who succeeded the King in her affections." Funnily enough, Anne Boleyn's sister in law helped organise secret meetings between Katherine and Thomas.
Katherine does seem to have had a difficult relationship with intimacy, though. Probably connected to her molestation at the age of 13 by a man almost thriple her own age at the time.
this makes me so mad tbh katherine was a cinnamon roll who should have been protected at all costs
“Gets what he wants and he won’t take no.” The blending of the playful tone and insinuation of sexual assault and abuse is actually.... pretty genius.
Ikr?
some facts about katherine howard:
- she was beheaded when she was only around 18 or 19 (her exact birthdate is unkown)
- henry mannox was most likely around 36, not 23
- she was anne boleyn's first cousin
- she loved animals, especially dogs
- she loved dancing and got lessons for it
- she had a good sense of humor and was described as being 'giggly'
- it's unknown whether her name is spelled with a C or K since it was written differently on many occasions, but evidence suggests it was *probably* with a C (but tbh just write it how you want)
- the 'thomas' guy at the end (thomas culpeper) was her distant cousin
- her mom died when she was 5 and her dad died when she was around 15
- the night before her execution, she reportedly spent hours practising how to lay her head on the block
- during her execution she was pale and scared and needed assistance to get there
- reportedly her last words were "i die a queen, but i would rather have died the wife of culpeper" (mostly folklore and there's no real evidence to support this, but still worth noting)
- she was buried in an unmarked grave so no one really knows where she lies
she won that competition for sure
r o s e That second to last fact breaks my heart.
Thank you
can you please stop copying and pasting this on every all you wanan do video-
lilliah Fredlund in class I learned about king Henry the 8ths six wives but there wasn’t enough details about the wives, the teacher put a song on TH-cam about it that gave some details.
I watched some documentary on the wives and they said she practiced how to lay her head on the block. Before she was killed, I can't remember what she said but she gave a small speech about who women shouldn't follow her example as she had failed god or something idk. I think the whole speech thing was really mature of her though
the choreography for all you wanna do was so cool. Each chorus the queens put their hands on her more and more till the last chorus where she was singing/sobbing and pushing the hands off. She also gets more tired/sloppy with the choreography as the song goes on. It was hella depressing but crazy cool.
If only I can see it but I can't watch it anywhere!😫
@@rnagrump6069 look up slime tutorials on TH-cam and you can find the bootlegs of most musicals
@@rnagrump6069 I know I’m late but here’s one! th-cam.com/video/awwXs6c9sjs/w-d-xo.html
@Talim Katana dam yall came in clutch 😳 thanks 😁!!!
Honestly this has to be my favorite song from the musical
Ang !!! Same
Same
This and “No Way” are my faves.
I can’t find a live recording like I can with the other songs :(
Heck YEAH!
Katherine: Run Ur fingers through my hair.
Me: *looks at that spiky hair thing* no thanks 😂
hair defense
JDKEIWBSBDBDSBW
Katherine Howard and Anne Boleyn were the saddest cases in British history. Anne was beheaded for having a redhead girl,and poor Katherine was probably abused and she was beheaded at the age of 19. Henry VIII was a complete psycho and I don’t know how Catherine Parr survived. Jane Seymour technically survived,too. Anne and Katherine were first cousins as well. I love our history here in Britain-it’s so interesting!
Lexie Foster Anne Boleyn was beheaded because she flirted with all the boys (like she said in don’t lose your head) but also because she couldn’t have a boy it doesn’t really matter wether the hair was ginger or not
Lexie Foster also Catherine Parr survived because Henry was ready to try and find someone to just look after him not give him an heir of England as Jane Seymour has a Son who would take over Henry (even though shortly after Edward became King he died as he was ill) Catherine Parr just helped Henry enjoy the rest of his life
Katherine was most definitely abused. I am no expert on Tudor history, but from what I’ve found, she was sexually assaulted and basically pimped our her whole life. There is a clip from a movie about it with her last moments and it is heartbreaking.
British history has a few too many genocides to say this is the saddest thing to happen
British history has a few too many genocides to say this is the saddest thing to happen
"enoughsie"
"playtime"
"mwah"
"birds and the bees"
o h sh i t
why did this get so many likes
Yikessss
Sounds like shit I said as a kid. Don’t like thst
Even just looking at her look/outfit, it's like more childish? This is really sad, she was just a kid.
I think it emphasises the fact that she was so young for all of her life. I mean she died when she was like 18 so she was a child when most of this happened.
She got beheaded at the age of 19 so when she sang that song she was still a child, so
I know K Howard is supposed to be inspired by Ariana Grande but her song reminds me a lot of Britney's If U Seek Amy. | edit: #FreeBritney
She’s inspired by both actually so that’s why
She's meant to be a mix of both of them
IKR
I think the whole idea is that both Ariana and Britney were overly sexualised from a very young age, which is why she looks like Ari and has a kind of of Britney and Ari sound, too. At least that's what I took from it haha.
Can anyone tell me the inspiration for the others?
IVE LISTENED TO THIS SONG ENOUGHSIE TIMES TO KNOW ITS A BOP
I have heard this song twice and... I can confirm it's a bop. A dspressing bop, but a bop nonetheless
This song is PERFECT for describing the life of Katherine Howard. She has always been my favorite. I feel such sympathy for her because none of it was really her fault. How could she possibly have known how to deal with all of this at her age? Had she just admitted to a precontract with either of these guys (Dereham OR Mannox), she would've been spared. Poor little angel! I am a student of Henry VIII and Tudor times, but I will say this: Henry VIII was a true pig for marrying her.
USCAN14
Nah, Henry was just as bad. He married her when she was around 18 years old. That’s disgusting
So
Thomas was Katherine Howard’s cousin (who she has a fling with)
Anne Boleyn and Katherine Howard are first cousins
Jane Seymour is their second cousin
And after Henry VIII died Catherine Parr married Jane Seymour’s brother.
I’m shook
WOW just...wow
So the two that got beheaded were related? Damn, that's kinda cool
Just imagine the conversation between Katherine and Anne...
"So....you lost your head too?"
"Yup. Surprising how England loves to chop off heads with axes. It's so uncomfortable...."
"I got beheaded by a sword. Quick."
"Lucky...."
And don’t forget! Henry’s mistress when he was with Catherine of Aragon was Anne’s sister, Mary. There was very little diversity in court.
This is why we don't go deep into history .w .
I love everyone is here with their complicated theories and I'm just like did u guys know that the musical is called Six because Henry had Six wives. Literally shook
Feathered Walrus I guess I have lost my head (oopsies hehe)
@@glayjel I got so shook you turned my heart to stone.
(Sorry xD)
olixa I guess all we wanna do is come up with theories
Let’s GET DOWN to it
Dont lose your head when you are getting down to this(lol)
This is the biggest bop of the century
YASSSSS
I think this guy is different!!
I’m sure this time is different!
I guess it’s not so different.
I thought this time was different... Why’d I think he’d be different? It’s _never ever_ different.
Ignorant Individual: Man having power must be so much easier. I bet a British Queen never feels O B J E C T I F I E D.
*Howard* *has* *left* *chat*
Is nobody worried for her or..
Yes, very much! Someone call the police for her...
Well she does get beheaded so
@Rebecca Balcom yeeyee, I was just saying jesus what a childhood
yeeyeejoos - Thats how thing worked back then, they’d have teenage girls marry older men and it was natural for them
Well she already long dead now so...
Lyricist: So how Sassy do you want this song?
Script writer: Yes
This is so sad, thanks for making this! I didn't get the whole thing until I could see lyrics... oh my lord! Poor girl though!
K Howard is definitely my favorite ex
Aaliyah yea smae
Aaliyah Anne Boleyn and K Howard are my favorite
Same! I think in order for me it’s:
1) Howard
2) Parr
3) Jane/Aragon
4) Aragon/Jane (can’t decide!)
5) Boleyn
6) Cleaves
All of them are my favorite lol i cant chose
I like the first 2 wife's the best (Kathrin of Aragon and Anne Boleyn)
Why is this tragic song still such a bop??? It’s giving me mixed emotions
Yes, I feel the same way. I wanna dance to it, but at the same time, I feel sorry for poor Katherine.
The beheaded duo is my favorite
Sofi ARMY omg I know right, what a deathly duo ;)
Did anyone ever think that the breath after the kiss may symbolize her taking her last breath since the song does end with that breath and she was beheaded?
Also, I’ve never seen this performed live, but I imagine during the final verses of “Playtime’s over” when the other girls are singing it, she’s being hauled off to get her head chopped off and she’s yelling for help and no one can help her because it’s already happened and they can’t change that. Then she begins singing again up until the final ‘mwah’.
I'm going to see it when it comes to my area, so I'll make sure to remember to let you know. xD
@@agentp5342 I'll like the comment so you remember
Always Thinking I imagine her repeating “play times over” when she’s walking up to the stump where she’ll die
I’m seeing it soon! I’ll tell y’all everything
Wizards Of Time thank you!
They really got my story well
Hey queen!
King Henry : Hello Dear - The beds very....neat 😆
My fave queen
Yep-
*curtsies* Your highness, you are looking radiant today.
"Gets what he wants and he won't take no" what can i say about this line...
It is a beautifully written line in a beautifully written song.
@@thewillowtree727 it also shows how men are not taught that no is enough
@Kaira King iTs WoMeNs FaUlT fOr NoT cOvErInG uP!!!
/s
Every time that she says "I'm sure this time is different.", really shows how hopeful she was and how all she wanted was someone to love her🥺
"connection.."
"just.. so sincere.."
They said she was inspired off Ariana Grande but, what about BRITTNEY SPEARS?! I LOVE THIS SONG THOUGH
Britney Spears was also an inspiration for her.
she was inspired by both, each queen has two 'queenspirations'
ReallyCoolSami who was catherine of aragon’s? i know beyoncé was one, but i can’t see any other influence? thanks :)))
@@habitual_lover Aragon's other queenspiration is Shakira 💞
Listening to this song makes me realise how manipulative and abusive men are seriously she was a child and taken advantage of smh😪
Back in the day of king Henry the 8th, girls would get married very young because of the short life spans in the 1400s
@@avawasserman260 she was being manipulated to do things with people when she was as young as 13 he was 10 years older and Henry was 30 years older that is sick
@@maramarshall157 I know and I'm not saying that it isn't sick. However the 1400s was an Extremely different time and women were not treated the way they are now. The age of consent was not a thing and men and women would either die from disease or childbirth very early. Most would not make it to age 20. You have to remember that these events took place 400 years ago and no one can be absolutely sure of what happened
@@avawasserman260 humanity, specifically men, is disgusting when harmful sex/violence is legal.
You don't have to excuse it.
yes, in the 1400s... society is a lot better now
I found out about Six the musical a couple days ago. I love learning about history and the British royalty and remember learning about Henry's six wives. This is a really good musical, love it so far.
I thought it was "enough, see" not "enoughsie"
That's what I thought, too!
Same
No. It's "ih nasi", from the Indonesian word, which means, "Ew, rice."
Nasrina Zahra yes
Nasrina Zahra the fuck
All i learnt in class was ‘divorced beheaded died. Divorced beheaded survived’ but damn this musical teaches you so much and the lyrics are so clever
I love the 2000s vibe to this song!!!
Kat Howard is honestly so tragic. She was a victim of sexual abuse. But she couldn’t escape it no matter where she went. That honestly hurts to realize, considering how much trauma is invalidated even now. Honestly, Kat Howard’s tale of abuse is one of many. But so few of them are truly told, set aside in favour of more “palatable” tales and making victims of abuse feel unrepresented.
All the the little things pointing at how young she was, kinda hurts
I feel you, and some people are saying this was very common back then and acting like it wasn't a big deal, it is a big deal, even if pedophilia was more 'accepted' (inawayitwas,lookathegreeks) it's still a literal child involved in thing they shouldn't at that age. She really seems like a victim of sexual abuse and doing what she knows best, sex.
@@vitas5839 exactly, it seems so normal for her and at that age it shouldn't be that way.. She was just so young. You can really see that in the way she feels "chemistry" its such manipulation from much older men.
The thing that strikes me the most is how she starts with the idea that it's how people show love. So many girls even now feel like older guys really love them when they're just being groomed.
2:26....I wonder why her wrist was so tired
O
MAY THE POWER OF CHRIST COMPEL YOU
And she was prolly about 14 cuz i think she married hanry at 15 or 16
Because she had to write a lot... XD
Wat??
Am i being really innocent and oblivious??
@@ori2214 yes, yes you are.
Blepsi Boo LMAO
Thank you for making this I could find the lyrics ANYWHERE
Ah yes, All You Wanna Do, the song of sexual innuendoes and sadness
I always thought the one who survived was hilarious with her accent being totally different from the others 😂😂😂
Omg I just realized something, if you dont know during the part I Dont Need Your Love. Katherine made a point to the group that they all compared themselves to Henry, as one of his six wives. And since she compared her whole life and then Henry, making she was just trying to prove a point about how they shouldn’t compare to themselves for just being wives and just compare how their life was in general before and after meeting Henry.
The thing about this that makes me the most upset is that she just wanted a friend. She wanted no more chemistry and she didn't want to be used as a "plaything" anymore. the "mwah exhale" is getting more sloppy progressing the song. I believe it's going from a sigh that's streotypical i Am In LoVe thing to I'm tired of this. It's so sad. I CAN'T SHES SUCH A MUFFIN I WANNA GIVE HER A HUG
I literally lost my head~Boleyn
"i guess he really liked my head"
When they arrested her she broke free from the guards and ran down the hall screaming that she is innocent and crying before they grabbed her again. They say her ghost still roams around this hall trying to convince them of her innocence. Only 18/19 years old.
Oh yea I heard about it she walks round shouting she's innocent.... So sad :(
If I ever visit that gallery when she's there, I'm going to say, "I believe you."
This song is truly a work of art. I have barely hear songs where it starts off one way and then gradually gets darker as the song progresses. Brand new favorite song!
When Howard did high pitched note when she sang the last playtimes over at the end it made me realize that sounded like what someone would scream if they were getting beheaded!😳
I can't stop replaying this,it's so good...
Ah I do love the touch of changing the chorus to reflect her feelings about the dude she’s with. It goes from being super excited and into it to really not and tired of it. Please to seize and so on, I do so enjoy that
Get ready for a long as comment:
Mannox: “ Tell me what you need, what you want you don’t need to plead, cause I feel the chemistry like I get you and you get me. And maybe this is it, he just cares so much it feels legit, we have a connect, I think this guy is different. ” she was younger it was her first time fooling around and she believed it was special. Believing what he told her about the connection
Dereham: “ you say I’m all you need, all you want. You don’t need to plead cause I feel the chemistry like I get you and you get me. And I know this is it. He just cares so much, this ones legit. We have a real connection. I’m sure this time is different.” Mannox and her didn’t work out and she still has hope she’ll find a guy who cares, convincing herself this time with Dereham, it’ll be different.
*doesn’t work out so she takes a break. *
Henry the 8th - “ you say I’m all you need, all you want, we both agree. This is the place for me. I’m finally where I’m meant to be. Then he starts saying all this stuff... he just cares so much, he calls me love. He says we have this connection, I guess it’s not so different . “ she doesn’t feel anything with him, that’s why she didn’t say the “I feel the chemistry” line,she’s tired of hearing the same thing, she’s lost hope. She sounds hopeless, not pleased, uncomfortable when she says “ he starts saying all this stuff “ bc she’s heard it before and she knows it’s not true and you can tell she’s affected by it.
*^ they got married and she doesn’t really like him, hence the emotionless whoo*
Thomas - “ this guy finally is what I want. The friend I need. Just mates no chemistry. I get him and he gets me.” She finds it refreshing that he wasn’t telling her that they had something special and that’s what she wanted to hear. “And there’s nothing more to it. He just cares so much, he’s devoted. He says we have a connection... I thought this time was different. Why did I think he’d be different. But it’s never ever different” he tells her they have something special like the others and she’s scolding herself for getting involved and thinking things would change.
I wish it was an hour longer
im so attached to this song
This song is so sad
Said by Deva from Musical Hell, the song starts out like a “I’m better then the other girls” to a teenage girl sexual exploitation fantasy and it reminiscent to Britney Spears pop album adding more of a disturbances
I love the way they worded everything to show how young/naive she was. Like she never specifically says anything sexual that happened and using simple words and using playtime and enoughsies
I really want one of those spikey things in her, or Ann's hair but idk where to get them from :(
I think they’re actually bracelets so maybe search for that instead??
angst I’ve actually ordered a spiked choker... if I could work it as a hair accessory then great, if not I’ll see if I can find bracelets!
@@MsNightcorelover that's a good ideas actually I never though of getting a choker
Mood tbh
according to their insta lives, they wear
pleats
plats
idk how to spell it
*_enoughsie_*
Nobody:
Not a single soul:
TIK TOK: *LETS JUST STEAL THIS SO PEOPLE SHOW THEIR SIGNIFICANT OTHER WITHOUT HEARING THE WHOLE SONG AND WHAT ITS ABOUT* 3:16
What really got me about Catherine's story is that the night before her execution she asked for the block to be placed in her cell so she could "practice" lying her head on it. She was doing the best she could to be ready for her execution and she was only 18 or19! So sad... groomed, exploited, and used all her short life :(
This is kinda dark but uh considering the time she lived in she probably didn't always consent
K. Howard : I was abused throughout my life and my husband beheaded me
Tik Tok: Omg my new boyfriend is so great
hold up so she got beheaded because she cheated on Henry?
I believe so yes. She also was accused of some other crimes I believe
Yeah, she was beheaded cause she cheated on Henry and if i remember well it's Henry Manox who find the proof to accuse her. And all of her lover were executed too (i studying the history of England right now)
@@camillesimard6895 damnnn they seriously killed all her exes? Why did they do that?
@@camillesimard6895 damnnn they killed all her exes? Why did they do that? And also why did Henry mannox accused her when it was in the past?
Daniel Acedilla i don’t remember very well why he did it (maybe it was to save his life) and i’m not sure Mannox was kill (i will consult my note tomorrow just to be sure) but i am certain that Henry execute Dereham and Thomas Culpeper (she was having a supposing pre-contract with Dereham and it was consider like a mariage back then)
Im i the only one who cant get the siong off repeat??
I felt this on an emotional level..its sad to say at least a good 80% of women expirence one of those situations. 😭😭😭i cant stop crying and singing..it makes me conflicted about my feelings bc its so catchy but its so horidly sad😥
the childish terms and words used in this song really shows how you she young she was when everything happened to her.
Katherine says "this guy might be different" for the first man described using her, her music teacher (1:25) could this allude to someone previously in her life sexually abusing her, such as her father, is probably the most likely as she was still a child (13)
I always thought she was referencing the puppy love in all the boys' eyes compared to the lust in the music teacher's.
I'M CRYING THE SINGER IS TOO TALENTED I REALLY CAN'T SING THE EXACT SAME THING WHEN SHE SINGS “And I was THIRTEEN going on 30” LIKE HER VOICE THERE IS JUST AMAZING
Henry: Without her, I don't know what I'll do
Also Henry: Off with her head
K. Howard: I am 19 years ol-
Henry: OFF WITH HER HEAD
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5:55 that section gives me chills
The repetition of "playtime's over" really gets me, because she was r*ped by multiple men starting when she was 13 and continuing until she was killed at 19. For her, playtime was over, because they took what remained of her childhood, then Henry took what remained of her life.
"We spent hours strumming the lute
Striking the chords and blowing the flute
He plucked my strings all the way to G
Went from major to minor, C to D."
*_alright girl, damn._*
my goodness this song is phenomenal i'm not sure whether to get up and dance, cry uncontrollably, or smash something out of rage towards these dudes...or all 3 at the same time
This is such a bop but it makes me cry so much wtffff
Broad, dark, mannox. Taught me all about dynamics. He was 36 and I was 13, perfect mix.
This would have been a better lyric since he was actually 36 and not 23! And it says “perfect mix” because she ‘loved’ him, (Ew, she’s a child!).
“IM SURE THIS TIME IS DIFFFEERRREEEENNNTTTT”
me: *kathrine no*
Something I just started to notice. She thought her life was so normal. And as it went on K. Howard started to realize that it wasn't normal. That it was actually kind of fucked up. And at the very end she finally comes to terms with the trauma. It's actually common for trauma to take a while to manifest. And it can hit you like a bus once it comes to. That actually happened to me. It took me nearly 4 years to realize something traumatic happened. And that's kind of what happened here. It hit her all at once. In that one moment. I feel for her.
Holy shit this is a heavy song.
Who thinks this song could be called Different
In a different musical I might agree, but I think the title they have is smart. I see it as a reference to the fact that everyone is so focused on her body, not her feelings.
I vote for enoughsie
Yeah, but I think they were going for something more flirty.
I just realised Anne Boleyn and K Howard both have chokers
To symbolise that their heads were chopped off
Her verse about Thomas gives me chills. There’s so much raw emotion
Intro: 0:01
Henry Mannox: 0:23
Francis Dereham: 1:57
Henry the 8th: 3:27
Thomas: 4:57
i think shes the saddest of all queens.
I swear I’ve learnt more about history from listening to this musicals playlist than I have in my actual history class
Nobody wants to talk about how the singer is so talented damn
this is my however many times great aunt i am learning more about her in my free time now.
Wait wHaT
Well technically me too
How???