Yeah - the "value" of the car only matters if you want to sell it. If you're keeping it then it's irrelevant. I've got a Discovery that I've had for 3 years, cost £1800 and I've spent 3 times that on it even doing all the work myself. It's not all fixes, there's a load of mods and normal wear & tear things like servicing, brakes, tyres etc but it''s worth it to me even though I'll never see the money back if I did sell it. If you can afford it and you enjoy the car then that's all that matters.
Yup. My 2011 Land river Freelander 2 has needed a new rear shock ( leak ), passenger door actuator and a new manifold recently. Whilst the manifold annoyed me a bit as the cost came at a shit time... I plan to keep it on the road and sort preventative maintenance going forward. Can't afford a new Land Rover and no way in hell I am buying an EV. My ethos is buy a car you like and keep it running.
Once a Jag owner, always a Jag owner....my 2001 XJ's gearbox blew in 2019, cost 3.5k for a rebuild. Couldn't care less. Love the motor! All the best mate 👍
I've got an aging Mercedes but I'd rather dish out a couple grand a year on it than drive some soulless people carrier they put on dealer forecourts these days.
Hi Joel I have just purchased an S Type 2.5 V6 2003 it just about went through the MOT yesterday with 3 advisories feeling good for the future with this 20 year old classic loving the content on your V8
Im glad to see that you read and listen to the comments, you are doing a good job keeping it, and happy to hear you will start working on things yourself!
I feel your pain. Spent untold fortunes keeping my current young timer on the road (if it makes you feel any better it’s multiples of what you’ve spent) but I still love my car and it’s the price of admission to our chosen passion, right? Your videos are brilliant and only ever get better. Keep up the great work mate! Really enjoying your channel recently 😎
Yes sir love this and so glad you have done what you have to keep this classic on the road. Also make me feel better about how much I have spent on my classic. Looking forward to the up coming vids
As a old car restorer of old cars 😅I think your love of the car overrode the doing it for profit and financially you kinda reached a point of no return. You and your Bride to be obviously love it. Keep it and see how far you can go with it doing some or most of the work yourself it’s very satisfying. If you change your mind well you have saved it from being scrapped and the dreaded CRUSHER! 😱😱😱
I really like the direction this series is going. I love the S Type, but even if I didn't it's a cracking series. Can't wait for future episodes. Well done Joel!
It just always boils down to how much you enjoy having that particular car and your future expenses that you know about. I'm an Alfa Romeo lover and had more cars than money to restore them. Now, I'm older and have more means to restore some rust, paint and parts. The cheapest car never remains the cheapest car if you really are into that particular brand. Working on your car brings a lot of joy, knowledge, friends and clubs to help with the work and knowledge. My best birthday ever was being under my 78 Alfa Romeo Alfetta taking the transaxle out of the car on the garage floor and having 3 of my closets Alfa buddies over helping with their knowledge rebuilding the transmission gears, new synchros and putting it all back together again!
An interesting project. My neighbour bought a cheap 1993 Jaguar XJS 5 years ago. Bodily the paint was excellent and underbody solid. The big issue was the engine, (4.0) which ended a head skimming and he got a 2k bill for that. He replaced all the brakes, suspension parts and had the underbody treated and sealed professionally. Other work included a new headlining, battery and various trim parts. The bill was around 8k. After 3 years he decided to sell it. I bought it from him for 9k. It’s absolutely superb. His replacement is a v8 S type, like yours on an 03 plate. It requires a huge amount of work, so I suspect he will be racking up similar bills. Good luck!
I think there’s several things you shouldn’t include on the list. Like insurance, tax etc even the Jerry cans. They’re either TH-cam specific costs or general motoring costs. I’d only include costs for repairs and parts, that’s what you in theory wouldn’t expect when buying a car. Great video and I’m glad you’re keeping her 🎉
Hey Joel, I've been watching your videos for sometime now & sorry but I've been one of those 65% of non subscribed. I've now clicked sunscribe as your videos are a credit to you tube. You may of overspent on the Jag but I bet the sense of feeling that your going to use it for your wedding day is amazing. Keep up these fantastic videos.
I own aJaguar s type 3.0 from 2004 with 320000km ( 200000) miles on it. I bought it for € 2800 a year ago. Remember, if you buy a car that old, with those miles on it, it will cost you a few pounds (euros). t has cost me € 4700 now in total, including the purchase cost. I love the fact that you are keeping it on the road, just like me. I am looking forward to see the next video`s. Keep it rolling, Joel
At the end of the day Joel, you’re keeping a nice car on the road which will only get rarer, and remember your fiancée loves it. I’ve spent loads on my 06 Volvo V70 which is now having an auto box rebuild and new valve body
Irrespective of the doom and gloom brigade i think the boy done good and as you point out yourself in the vid Joel everyday's a school day, so true. Suggestion....watch the program Bangers & Cash on the yesterday channel its an eye opener as to what some folk are willing to spend on old classics......and in many many cases a lot lot more than the money you've splashed out on your Jag! You love your car your girlfriend loves the car so no need to get rid. Tis a fact older cars whatever brand will always require money spending on them. P. S: love your style of presenting, you're always open and honest, credit to you for that Joel. Keep up your great work fella.
Hats off to you m8 it's a labour of love I'm in same boat with a Sri Vectra 02 plate one owner just spent 2800 on car but I love it and I know it will turn heads at shows this year
those old Jaguars are fantastic, and yes you can now buy them for essentially pennies, but theyre still expensive, old, british luxury cars. reliability was never on the table for these cars, and they do cost lots of money to run, but id argue its worth it, because no car made today drives like they do.
I did exactly the same with a Saab 93 wagon. It was the V6 turbo with all the Hirsch performance bits fitted from factory. I spent a lot of money to keep her in good shape. It’s frustrating at the time but afterwards you do come to realise that it is a labour of love to indulge a passion. To me, if you can afford to do it, is worth it.
Respect to you for being willing to learn. I have owned an X type awd drive for the last 15 years, and am sure you will sort yours out and that it is definitely a car to cherish! Looking forward to more videos ! Good luck!
I love this car, truly remarkable what you can get for £1400, however buying a car like this is inevitability expensive and I also believe cars like this need nursing back to health by the car community. You have done this beautiful Jaaggg good Joel.
If you buy an old car (any make) for a small sum always ensure that it has a years MOT then at least you can scrap it if expensive repairs loom at the next MOT. Jags are money pits, even when still under warranty - been there !! I enjoy your vids, and good luck to you.
You can either pay for motoring via depreciation on newer cars or repairs on older cars. Personally I prefer the latter. Used luxury cars depreciate SO heavily in the first few years that they can be a bargain. But give yourself a yearly allowance for repairs and maintenance (instead of depreciation).
Wow what a change around from last week, at last you’ve realised it’s an old car but a classic, I don’t think you’ve overspent to keep a new ‘classic’ on the road for another year and it’s great content for you to expand with and start to do more work yourself on the vehicle 😊
Nice video Joel. This car was always going to cost you money and you are doing the right thing by making everything right again. It is a beautiful classic British car so spend the money and enjoy it. Looking forward to the next video. PS always check for the locking wheel nuts!
Hi Joel as mentioned in your last video I do all my own repairs iam still climbing underneath doing driveshaft and wheel bearings and I'll be 70 this year. I think it's a good idea to start learning about cars and how they work buy some good quality tools. A good socket set. Spanners etc. There's so much on TH-cam advice on repairs we all have to start somewhere I think personally you have now gone to far to stop carry on as I said if you buy another car you'll have the same problems trust me I've been where you are.
Yep. Quality tools. Quality tools. Took me a few years to drum it into my thick head that cheap tools let you down, make things worse and end up being replaced. Buy expensive, buy once.
Had old Jags for 20 years. 2 x Series 3 V12s (1983 &1986) XJR6 (1996), XJR8 (1998), current 2002 Sovereign V8 4L LWB. The biggest issues are corrosion, auto boxes, suspension bushes. From my observations at my Jag specialist X-types and S-types are the worst for corrosion. However, for the XJ they corrode on arches, sills (inc. inner sills, base front bulkhead/floor section), rear jacking-points. The 4 NA litre engine revs more freely than the 4 litre Supercharged. Best performance improvements for the 4 litre engine are K & N air filter and ensure that keep the MAP, inlet tract, throttle body meticulously clean. Always use either Shell 99 or Tesco 99 petrol. Makes a big difference. Finally, old Jags require constant maintenance. Keep on top of repairs and maintenance.
Sounds so familiar. Sadly very common with old Jags (or any expensive back then / cheap now car). I was exactly there with my XK8 back 10y ago. Not as cheap as your Jag when I bought it, but I ended up doubling the price in tactical repairs to get her over the MoT in the 24 months following purchase. Then other repairs followed: corrosion, bushes etc. A money pit, but I absolutely adored her. Then, head gaskets went off and I decided to take on the repair myself. I am reasonably handy and technically minded, but that was a steep learning curve still. Would have costed 3 or 4 grands in a garage, did cost me 1 grand to do it myself - yes, you need a fair amount of tools and equipement to get the job done properly (including skimming the heads). And you will spend a lot of time going through the JTIS documentation and dedicated forums. A labour of love, litterally. All the best in this rescue mission 👍
Glad to see you are doing some of the work yourself re my comment last week , glad you didn't scrap it , get it waxoiled , you can do that yourself , it's messy but worth it .
I have a similar experience with an x type Jag I bought back in 2018. It only cost me £300 however both sills were rotten and I ended up having the old one cut out and replaced at huge expense, only to repeat on the n/s sill the following year. Various other issues with it running rough and loss of power over 3000 rpm have been resolved but I reckon in 5 years I’ve probably thrown £3000 plus at this car. I’m so far in now I’m probably never going to sell it as there is no point. It’s a lovely British racing Green and I do love driving it. Good luck with yours, I enjoy watching the videos
Loving watching your journey with this car Joel, really glad you stuck with it. And now the big bills have been paid out, there should be less of those looming! ;)
So glad you're teaming up with someone to help keep this fabulous car on the road. I do feel that you've been very unlucky with the garages you have used so far. My £500 S Type (3 owners, FSH, scratch on rear door) needed over £1000 of work which the previous owner was not willing to pay, hence the low price. I sourced the parts myself and my tame garage fitted them, all done for £450. Since then apart from oil and service items, I've had bushes, track rod ends, ball joint dust covers and heater control valve replaced all for less than £700. It's been 3 years of trouble free, ultra comfortable motoring, used for the daily commute. Glad I'm not a TH-camr, it would have been very boring! I'll be replacing brake pads soon and she's now beginning to drink fuel suggesting a manifold leak but I have no qualms about getting it fixed. I've had more mundane cars that have burned through a lot more than you've shelled out so stick with it and we'll all look forward to the new content.
Joel, keep it up and keep your spirits high. You aren't doing what you are doing to flip the car so as long as you are enjoin the car and the experiences it give you, then it is totally worth it! When all is said and done, it isn't that much to spend on it, but in a short period it can certainly feel that way. I bought a 2002 Mercedes C270 for £2500 back in 2016 and within 6 months I had to get 4 new tyres, suspension and brake components, MAF sensor, injector seals, a service (inc gearbox) and an aircon pump. This initial round of bills probably came to about £1800, and there were way more bills to come in my 6 years of ownership. Some things I took on myself like having to remove and recondition the HP fuel pump which failed due to internal seals in the winter, but it was all worth it and was a lovely and economical car to drive and own, and go on adventures with. I know you will feel the same.
They are quite a distinguished and an ultra beautiful piece of car Joel. As long as it doesn't break you financially after all you must think with your head and not your heart,,Thinking with your heart, will bury you. I just bought a 2001 4.0 with 13,000 miles on it a few months ago, and of course has some gremlins from siting I guess as I do not know the history and my inside blower went to high without me turning it on, while driving,,, HELLO, but when it's right it's like a real classic beauty, and drives like a couch. Keep it if you can my friend,,
I did the self same thing Joel so don't beat yourself up. Jaguars are magnificent cars and there is something about them that gets under your skin. Spent a fortune on the ones I had and the Mrs always complained about the expense at the time. So after 20 years of Jag ownership (the last 10 being with V8 S Types) I retired and traded it in against an Aston. Strange thing is that 5 years on the Mrs says she wishes we had kept the Jaguar.....
Hey mate glad yr keeping the old girl going.I have had plenty of s types and you dont see them that often now only really the later ones.once you get it sorted yr have a good car.Why not come along to the jaguar breakfast meet at Gaydon 1st sat of the month.I sometimes go in the v8 F type.
I have a 2012 XFS, I’ve had it 5 years now, it’s cost me a few quid in repairs even though I try to do all the jobs myself. Find yourself a good breakers, I have one in Wolverhampton that I use, they do all JLR stuff (mainly Jags) and it’s absolute amazing, ideal when cheap bits are needed. Keep the great videos coming 👍
just seen this,,, Im getting a XF Jag on Wednesday although its thirteen years old,,, its in pristine condition,,, hopefully it will not give me any trouble,,, I love the ride quality in Jags and the automatic box and will only be using it for longish journeys. Your Jag,,, i would defiantly keep it now and spruce it up into pristine condition, keeping it original and like me as you like Jags go to some car shows with it,,, now you've got the spending bug,,, you will appreciate it more,,, and as an added bonus for you,,, your GF likes it as well. Good Luck
Joel you've made me like the S Type, a car that I always disliked in the past when my friend owned one. Now I want one. Well done for keeping the old girl on the road and for creating interesting content.
To be fair, this is a great learning opportunity mate. You could've saved yourself £800 by doing the coil, plug, expansion tank, hose etc yourself, and I heard you say you're going to start moving in that direction so well done you. Don't let a lack of knowledge take your confidence - we all started somewhere and many of us around your age and with jobs just like hoses, plugs etc. You can learn anything in the internet age so crack on with a new understanding that it's not the car that's expensive, it's the owner. Cheers from Australia.
It's never easy is it! Getting any used car up to scratch is always more work & headaches than you expect. I manage to keep my overheads (and therefore profits) in check by doing the majority of the work myself, but i have to say if i was unable to do that, making money and trading up would become virtually impossible. You can console yourself a little by knowing that you're doing the right thing and keeping another Jag on the road!
Hi Joel I'm glad you have finally found a garage and set of guys who sound like they actually take pride in what they do and have knowledge of the brand. Otherwise certainly wouldn't be talking about making some content on your car and repairs being carried out👍hopefully you have used your business head and done some kind of deal that satisfying to both parties,, you get a better price on repairs and they get some publicity through your channel which is win win for all👌, good luck buddy and the lady shall have her perfect wedding car😊,
I bought a S Type Jaguar 5yrs ago off a elderly guy it hadn't been running on the road for a couple of years, but he did start it up quite often, it's a 2002 I paid £1000 for it since having for the first 12 months, it's it's had a new water pump, new radiator, new battery. Most costly 2yrs ago it had 2 new inner sills and the majority of the floor needed major plating/welding £1000. Just sailed through it's mot, and is running perfectly touch wood. All the repairs were done by a friend who has access to the garage he works for, so I count myself lucky. Good luck for the future👍
I am doing the same - kind of - bought a1998 pearlescent racing green with green leather Audi A6 2.8 Avant Quattro for £600 in 2015. And I love it, I love the colour, the looks, and it is the most comfortable place I ever sit. I do my own maintenance and when it becomes time to stop ignoring the gearbox fault, I hope to fix it myself, but if I have to pay someone else to recondition it its worth it because I love it. And having dealt with the stuff that had been left and refreshed the suspension it is totally reliable and flies through its MOT. I have an iCarsoft JLR scanner to work on an 04 Freelander. I have the cheaper one but I really recommend get some kind of scanner. You will need it.... Don't forget to subtract the cost of the hire of a wedding car.....
Tbh 5k is not much for such a car with an approved mot. I'm glad the negative attitude is gone a bit 😄 enjoy the car for a few more months, then you can kick it or keep it. I was skeptical at first, but I'm enjoying the S type videos now. Also the 1.6k bill might look scary, but they have really taken care of a lot of worn parts which are tricky to change. So stay positive 😄
I bought a one owner 2.7 S Type in November 2013. Gearbox rebuild in 2016 but that is the biggest expense so far. Keep the rust at bay and keep up the maintenance and you will be well rewarded. I am with others - why spend around £30k for a modern box just like others. What you DO NEED is a garage that will look after you and the car and not their wallet. Keep on!
Good on you. I bought my 1995 C320 Mercedes for £2500. I immediately spent £2500 on replacing all the gaskets and rubber to fix oil leaks and now another £2500 on rust repairs. Despite the money spent, I love my car and it is my daily driver. Think about the cost if you were leasing a brand new V8 Jaguar. £800 per month with nothing to show for it when you hand the car back?
@@kevinhowlett4097 good car, i had a clk320 fully loaded it was awesome i loved the 6 cylinder motor, i am on my second clk430 now and they are superb cars the value for money with the 430 is unmatched these days, what other v8 coupe can you buy for a couple of grand??
Keep going with it it really is a lovely car and you know it. Once you get on top of the corrosion issues and then use some preventative future corrosion issues as long as you treat the old girl with respect she will give you minimum issues. Also a good move using a garage for content everyone is winning.
Old & older Jags need love (money), love S-Types (petrol v6 & v8) , if serviced, they are very reliable cars, good looking, comfortable, pleasure to drive
One of my locking wheel nuts snapped once when my old mechanic was taking it off when I was there-I think it took him about 20 seconds to get the nut off
This is making me appreciate my mechanic skills and family of mechanics. Cause i dont have to pay labour. Could only imagine what my transmission rebuild would have cost if i had taken to a shop. I spent $160 total for parts.😄
Good summary Joel . We call them "bangers" for a reason and it's important that you illustrate the potential downsides of bangernomics so that people can see that they might actually have been better off paying 10K for a 2018 Ford Fusion especially when they need it to start every morning. There's a big difference between daily drivers and weekend hobby / project cars and I think your Jag falls into the latter category . Maybe a future project could be investigating how much we have to spend to run a car that is 99% reliable while also being cool / powerful / fun ? GL getting the Jag wedding ready and I expect to see it in the raffle shortly afterwards😀😀
I normally lose with bangernomics but my £2k cooper is now into year 5 and only ended up with one £500 repair when the injectors went. Ive also lost badly , my MR2 being a bad choice.
You can usually buy parts way cheaper than your garage will get them for. My garage wanted to charge me £180+vat for 1 injector. I found them online for £120 all in.
Keeping old beasts like these on the road is fantastic. Not appreciated at all by ordinary members of the public and even less by the government who want us all in something by powered by a plug socket but the car community adore well looked after, rejuvenated examples of cars just like this. On the flip side, I do think your money would be better spent on cars that are known to be solid platforms as well as being less prone to rust for example, the e53 X5, based on a e39 (tough as bricks and ridiculously engineered) but doesn’t rust like an e39, really desirable and strong engines, will appreciate in value, suv ride height but drive like a car, Range Rover bits inside but without the unreliability. Feels like the perfect car for an L322 fan who doesn’t want the fuss or trouble
Your problem Jay is that you have to depend on garage/Specialist's to sort these old cars out ending in ££ bills, I'm an ex vehicle tech and collision estimator and proud of it because i put a lot of time and effort in my late teens to get my Btec and city and guilds and spent years working at various dealers as a tech and cars like this are easy for me as i only have to shell out for the parts and then put my free to me labour in! I also along the way did welding courses and took welding on (Gas and MIG) so i can deal with that as well!
Hi Joel. I’m doing the same on a Cayenne turbo that I bought after watching your review………Yes it can be eye watering to tot up the expenditure but I look at it as rescuing the car from scrapping. You are keeping a now classic vehicle on the road - keep going! The biggest thing I have come to realise though is everything must be done yourself. I had to change the thermostat and it was an absolute pig of a job - took 2 days as the old one had fused to the block being original. I dread to think of the cost. Yes the welding will need a specialist but almost everything other than an engine or gearbox rebuild can be achieved on the drive with a decent set of tools. It’s the only way I can afford to run an older car once worth 90k. You really can’t be using a garage for services or running repairs unless it’s mates rates!
Good on you love the content 👏 keep going forward ....... wish u tube was around when I had my adventures with old luxo barges ... might have paid some of the huge bills ...... !! On a plus side lots of clean rust free jags in thr dry climate off south Australia 🇦🇺 and great prices ...... given the exchange rate check them out ......
My first s-type cost me £3,000 over 4 years... that included a replacement gearbox, and rear sub frame, and after it's last MOT is was decided to get rid of it as it was rusty beyond repair. but it's a jag thing... I'm on my second one now i bought it cheap knowing it has issues. 2 of which i have fixed, and now waiting for O2 sensors to arrive as these seem to be a common issue, and it has a DSC fault.. which again could be a sensor or pads. Anyway like is said it's a Jag thing and Jag owners tend to say through gritted teeth "I love my Jag".
Good on you for deciding to keep going with it. You need to address the rust issues asap, even if just getting underneath with a wire brush and rust protection 👍
My old car needs a new clutch and gearbox soon , a garage would charge me like £1200 for that to be done , my friend whos a mobile mechanic will do it all for £700 so shows you it saves to shop around as these garage owners charge more to cover their rents on the units , my friend used to own his own garage Ridgeway Autos in Iverbut was paying silly rent even back n 2012 of like £3000 a month for the unit so in the end set up a mobile business thats the way to do it mate
The repair bills aren't that bad once you're confident in the work that's been done... a lot of the total is VAT at 20%. The car is a rare survivor and you have recognised that... it's typical of a car that was moved on before a lot of expensive overdue work was done and if you take one on you have to accept that and put in more than you'll get back to do the right thing by the car. Hope the tyre swap works out well...
I nearly bought one of these, but go compare quoted over £800 a MONTH to insure, so I’ve opted for a 1.8 CLK 220 Converti instead. They are lovely cars the S Type, but my dad had one and kept spending.
Wait what a tyre is 15 years old... I thought that went of DOT codes on them and had to be changed after 10 years. Granted it has been a good number of years since I worked in the tyre trade.
How long is a MOT warrant good for over there...here in NZ it's good for a year if the car was first registered after the year 2000 older cars before that date 6 months Australia one year pinkslip any car.
Despite everything, it feels good to be keeping this car on the road! Would you do the same?
If TH-camrs bought cars that didn’t break I wouldn’t be watching all the videos I do 👍
Yeah - the "value" of the car only matters if you want to sell it. If you're keeping it then it's irrelevant. I've got a Discovery that I've had for 3 years, cost £1800 and I've spent 3 times that on it even doing all the work myself. It's not all fixes, there's a load of mods and normal wear & tear things like servicing, brakes, tyres etc but it''s worth it to me even though I'll never see the money back if I did sell it.
If you can afford it and you enjoy the car then that's all that matters.
Yep spent 6k on my x type ☺️
Yup. My 2011 Land river Freelander 2 has needed a new rear shock ( leak ), passenger door actuator and a new manifold recently.
Whilst the manifold annoyed me a bit as the cost came at a shit time... I plan to keep it on the road and sort preventative maintenance going forward.
Can't afford a new Land Rover and no way in hell I am buying an EV.
My ethos is buy a car you like and keep it running.
Hell no
Once a Jag owner, always a Jag owner....my 2001 XJ's gearbox blew in 2019, cost 3.5k for a rebuild.
Couldn't care less. Love the motor!
All the best mate 👍
Probably was just leaking oil... Had the same. Top up fixed it
I've got an aging Mercedes but I'd rather dish out a couple grand a year on it than drive some soulless people carrier they put on dealer forecourts these days.
I have an old Lexus. You don’t even need to spend more than basic oil changes and whatnot.
@@HamburgerHelperDeath which one?
Love a Lexus!
Got a few oldies!
At least owning a Mercedes you could earn some money hiring it out to a Pakistani taxi driver.
Same here! I’ve got a low mileage E and it’s just perfect. Panoramic roof and glorious to drive. Anything it needs it gets 👌🏼
@@stringer-ik1pc that meant to be funny? Dickhead
Keep going. Its a labour of love. For me its already a classic car. Spend what's affordable to keep it on the road 👍
Crying for your fresh trainers right now Joel! Get some oldies out for working on car!
Hi Joel I have just purchased an S Type 2.5 V6 2003 it just about went through the MOT yesterday with 3 advisories feeling good for the future with this 20 year old classic
loving the content on your V8
Another way to look at it is that you've got all of that car for £5,200 which is still a lot of car for the money! Keep going 👍🏻👍🏻
Im glad to see that you read and listen to the comments, you are doing a good job keeping it, and happy to hear you will start working on things yourself!
I feel your pain. Spent untold fortunes keeping my current young timer on the road (if it makes you feel any better it’s multiples of what you’ve spent) but I still love my car and it’s the price of admission to our chosen passion, right? Your videos are brilliant and only ever get better. Keep up the great work mate! Really enjoying your channel recently 😎
Yes sir love this and so glad you have done what you have to keep this classic on the road. Also make me feel better about how much I have spent on my classic. Looking forward to the up coming vids
As a old car restorer of old cars 😅I think your love of the car overrode the doing it for profit and financially you kinda reached a point of no return. You and your Bride to be obviously love it. Keep it and see how far you can go with it doing some or most of the work yourself it’s very satisfying. If you change your mind well you have saved it from being scrapped and the dreaded CRUSHER! 😱😱😱
I really like the direction this series is going. I love the S Type, but even if I didn't it's a cracking series. Can't wait for future episodes. Well done Joel!
It just always boils down to how much you enjoy having that particular car and your future expenses that you know about. I'm an Alfa Romeo lover and had more cars than money to restore them. Now, I'm older and have more means to restore some rust, paint and parts. The cheapest car never remains the cheapest car if you really are into that particular brand. Working on your car brings a lot of joy, knowledge, friends and clubs to help with the work and knowledge. My best birthday ever was being under my 78 Alfa Romeo Alfetta taking the transaxle out of the car on the garage floor and having 3 of my closets Alfa buddies over helping with their knowledge rebuilding the transmission gears, new synchros and putting it all back together again!
An interesting project. My neighbour bought a cheap 1993 Jaguar XJS 5 years ago. Bodily the paint was excellent and underbody solid. The big issue was the engine, (4.0) which ended a head skimming and he got a 2k bill for that. He replaced all the brakes, suspension parts and had the underbody treated and sealed professionally. Other work included a new headlining, battery and various trim parts. The bill was around 8k. After 3 years he decided to sell it. I bought it from him for 9k. It’s absolutely superb. His replacement is a v8 S type, like yours on an 03 plate. It requires a huge amount of work, so I suspect he will be racking up similar bills. Good luck!
I think there’s several things you shouldn’t include on the list. Like insurance, tax etc even the Jerry cans. They’re either TH-cam specific costs or general motoring costs. I’d only include costs for repairs and parts, that’s what you in theory wouldn’t expect when buying a car. Great video and I’m glad you’re keeping her 🎉
Hey Joel, I've been watching your videos for sometime now & sorry but I've been one of those 65% of non subscribed. I've now clicked sunscribe as your videos are a credit to you tube. You may of overspent on the Jag but I bet the sense of feeling that your going to use it for your wedding day is amazing. Keep up these fantastic videos.
Take no notice of Richard Hammond I like your JAG 🤣
I own aJaguar s type 3.0 from 2004 with 320000km ( 200000) miles on it. I bought it for € 2800 a year ago.
Remember, if you buy a car that old, with those miles on it, it will cost you a few pounds (euros). t has cost me € 4700 now in total, including the purchase cost. I love the fact that you are keeping it on the road, just like me. I am looking forward to see the next video`s. Keep it rolling, Joel
Great. Glad you're re looking at it positively and keeping the Mrs( to be) happy!
At the end of the day Joel, you’re keeping a nice car on the road which will only get rarer, and remember your fiancée loves it. I’ve spent loads on my 06 Volvo V70 which is now having an auto box rebuild and new valve body
Great to see you on Drive Tribe with your Jag
More to come!
Irrespective of the doom and gloom brigade i think the boy done good and as you point out yourself in the vid Joel everyday's a school day, so true. Suggestion....watch the program Bangers & Cash on the yesterday channel its an eye opener as to what some folk are willing to spend on old classics......and in many many cases a lot lot more than the money you've splashed out on your Jag! You love your car your girlfriend loves the car so no need to get rid. Tis a fact older cars whatever brand will always require money spending on them. P. S: love your style of presenting, you're always open and honest, credit to you for that Joel. Keep up your great work fella.
Hats off to you m8 it's a labour of love I'm in same boat with a Sri Vectra 02 plate one owner just spent 2800 on car but I love it and I know it will turn heads at shows this year
those old Jaguars are fantastic, and yes you can now buy them for essentially pennies, but theyre still expensive, old, british luxury cars. reliability was never on the table for these cars, and they do cost lots of money to run, but id argue its worth it, because no car made today drives like they do.
I did exactly the same with a Saab 93 wagon. It was the V6 turbo with all the Hirsch performance bits fitted from factory. I spent a lot of money to keep her in good shape.
It’s frustrating at the time but afterwards you do come to realise that it is a labour of love to indulge a passion. To me, if you can afford to do it, is worth it.
Respect to you for being willing to learn. I have owned an X type awd drive for the last 15 years, and am sure you will sort yours out and that it is definitely a car to cherish! Looking forward to more videos ! Good luck!
I love this car, truly remarkable what you can get for £1400, however buying a car like this is inevitability expensive and I also believe cars like this need nursing back to health by the car community. You have done this beautiful Jaaggg good Joel.
If you buy an old car (any make) for a small sum always ensure that it has a years MOT then at least you can scrap it if expensive repairs loom at the next MOT.
Jags are money pits, even when still under warranty - been there !!
I enjoy your vids, and good luck to you.
You can either pay for motoring via depreciation on newer cars or repairs on older cars. Personally I prefer the latter. Used luxury cars depreciate SO heavily in the first few years that they can be a bargain. But give yourself a yearly allowance for repairs and maintenance (instead of depreciation).
You’re a crazy man Joel. Money pit right there
Yeah but what a great car
Wow what a change around from last week, at last you’ve realised it’s an old car but a classic, I don’t think you’ve overspent to keep a new ‘classic’ on the road for another year and it’s great content for you to expand with and start to do more work yourself on the vehicle 😊
Nice video Joel. This car was always going to cost you money and you are doing the right thing by making everything right again. It is a beautiful classic British car so spend the money and enjoy it. Looking forward to the next video. PS always check for the locking wheel nuts!
Hi Joel as mentioned in your last video I do all my own repairs iam still climbing underneath doing driveshaft and wheel bearings and I'll be 70 this year. I think it's a good idea to start learning about cars and how they work buy some good quality tools. A good socket set. Spanners etc. There's so much on TH-cam advice on repairs we all have to start somewhere I think personally you have now gone to far to stop carry on as I said if you buy another car you'll have the same problems trust me I've been where you are.
Yep. Quality tools. Quality tools. Took me a few years to drum it into my thick head that cheap tools let you down, make things worse and end up being replaced. Buy expensive, buy once.
Had old Jags for 20 years. 2 x Series 3 V12s (1983 &1986) XJR6 (1996), XJR8 (1998), current 2002 Sovereign V8 4L LWB. The biggest issues are corrosion, auto boxes, suspension bushes. From my observations at my Jag specialist X-types and S-types are the worst for corrosion. However, for the XJ they corrode on arches, sills (inc. inner sills, base front bulkhead/floor section), rear jacking-points. The 4 NA litre engine revs more freely than the 4 litre Supercharged. Best performance improvements for the 4 litre engine are K & N air filter and ensure that keep the MAP, inlet tract, throttle body meticulously clean. Always use either Shell 99 or Tesco 99 petrol. Makes a big difference. Finally, old Jags require constant maintenance. Keep on top of repairs and maintenance.
Missed you today at Gaydons Jag Breakfast Meet. I was in the flip colour Blue/Green S Type with the leaper on the bonnet
Sounds so familiar. Sadly very common with old Jags (or any expensive back then / cheap now car). I was exactly there with my XK8 back 10y ago. Not as cheap as your Jag when I bought it, but I ended up doubling the price in tactical repairs to get her over the MoT in the 24 months following purchase. Then other repairs followed: corrosion, bushes etc. A money pit, but I absolutely adored her. Then, head gaskets went off and I decided to take on the repair myself. I am reasonably handy and technically minded, but that was a steep learning curve still. Would have costed 3 or 4 grands in a garage, did cost me 1 grand to do it myself - yes, you need a fair amount of tools and equipement to get the job done properly (including skimming the heads). And you will spend a lot of time going through the JTIS documentation and dedicated forums. A labour of love, litterally. All the best in this rescue mission 👍
Glad to see you are doing some of the work yourself re my comment last week , glad you didn't scrap it , get it waxoiled , you can do that yourself , it's messy but worth it .
I have a similar experience with an x type Jag I bought back in 2018. It only cost me £300 however both sills were rotten and I ended up having the old one cut out and replaced at huge expense, only to repeat on the n/s sill the following year. Various other issues with it running rough and loss of power over 3000 rpm have been resolved but I reckon in 5 years I’ve probably thrown £3000 plus at this car. I’m so far in now I’m probably never going to sell it as there is no point. It’s a lovely British racing Green and I do love driving it. Good luck with yours, I enjoy watching the videos
Loving watching your journey with this car Joel, really glad you stuck with it. And now the big bills have been paid out, there should be less of those looming! ;)
Finally a video I can relate to. Just dropped 3k on parts for my 2000 stype, wish me luck!
So glad you're teaming up with someone to help keep this fabulous car on the road. I do feel that you've been very unlucky with the garages you have used so far. My £500 S Type (3 owners, FSH, scratch on rear door) needed over £1000 of work which the previous owner was not willing to pay, hence the low price. I sourced the parts myself and my tame garage fitted them, all done for £450. Since then apart from oil and service items, I've had bushes, track rod ends, ball joint dust covers and heater control valve replaced all for less than £700. It's been 3 years of trouble free, ultra comfortable motoring, used for the daily commute. Glad I'm not a TH-camr, it would have been very boring! I'll be replacing brake pads soon and she's now beginning to drink fuel suggesting a manifold leak but I have no qualms about getting it fixed. I've had more mundane cars that have burned through a lot more than you've shelled out so stick with it and we'll all look forward to the new content.
Joel, keep it up and keep your spirits high. You aren't doing what you are doing to flip the car so as long as you are enjoin the car and the experiences it give you, then it is totally worth it! When all is said and done, it isn't that much to spend on it, but in a short period it can certainly feel that way. I bought a 2002 Mercedes C270 for £2500 back in 2016 and within 6 months I had to get 4 new tyres, suspension and brake components, MAF sensor, injector seals, a service (inc gearbox) and an aircon pump. This initial round of bills probably came to about £1800, and there were way more bills to come in my 6 years of ownership. Some things I took on myself like having to remove and recondition the HP fuel pump which failed due to internal seals in the winter, but it was all worth it and was a lovely and economical car to drive and own, and go on adventures with. I know you will feel the same.
They are quite a distinguished and an ultra beautiful piece of car Joel. As long as it doesn't break you financially after all you must think with your head and not your heart,,Thinking with your heart, will bury you. I just bought a 2001 4.0 with 13,000 miles on it a few months ago, and of course has some gremlins from siting I guess as I do not know the history and my inside blower went to high without me turning it on, while driving,,, HELLO, but when it's right it's like a real classic beauty, and drives like a couch. Keep it if you can my friend,,
I did the self same thing Joel so don't beat yourself up. Jaguars are magnificent cars and there is something about them that gets under your skin. Spent a fortune on the ones I had and the Mrs always complained about the expense at the time. So after 20 years of Jag ownership (the last 10 being with V8 S Types) I retired and traded it in against an Aston. Strange thing is that 5 years on the Mrs says she wishes we had kept the Jaguar.....
One of the best cars on the road .
Great work Joel. Looking forward to the upcoming vids . Cheers from Australia.
Hey mate glad yr keeping the old girl going.I have had plenty of s types and you dont see them that often now only really the later ones.once you get it sorted yr have a good car.Why not come along to the jaguar breakfast meet at Gaydon 1st sat of the month.I sometimes go in the v8 F type.
Looking forward to the up coming works 👍
I have a 2012 XFS, I’ve had it 5 years now, it’s cost me a few quid in repairs even though I try to do all the jobs myself. Find yourself a good breakers, I have one in Wolverhampton that I use, they do all JLR stuff (mainly Jags) and it’s absolute amazing, ideal when cheap bits are needed.
Keep the great videos coming 👍
just seen this,,, Im getting a XF Jag on Wednesday although its thirteen years old,,, its in pristine condition,,, hopefully it will not give me any trouble,,, I love the ride quality in Jags and the automatic box and will only be using it for longish journeys. Your Jag,,, i would defiantly keep it now and spruce it up into pristine condition, keeping it original and like me as you like Jags go to some car shows with it,,, now you've got the spending bug,,, you will appreciate it more,,, and as an added bonus for you,,, your GF likes it as well. Good Luck
Mad to have to spend the money but you have to remember that you are saving a classic.
Joel you've made me like the S Type, a car that I always disliked in the past when my friend owned one. Now I want one.
Well done for keeping the old girl on the road and for creating interesting content.
Hi Joel really like your vids on the Jag, keep it up. Worth every penny.
To be fair, this is a great learning opportunity mate. You could've saved yourself £800 by doing the coil, plug, expansion tank, hose etc yourself, and I heard you say you're going to start moving in that direction so well done you. Don't let a lack of knowledge take your confidence - we all started somewhere and many of us around your age and with jobs just like hoses, plugs etc. You can learn anything in the internet age so crack on with a new understanding that it's not the car that's expensive, it's the owner. Cheers from Australia.
Good content , greetings from The Netherlands
I have an 04 S Type, and with everything I'm 2500 pounds in. That included the rear suspension bits, tyres, etc. I love the car.
It's never easy is it! Getting any used car up to scratch is always more work & headaches than you expect. I manage to keep my overheads (and therefore profits) in check by doing the majority of the work myself, but i have to say if i was unable to do that, making money and trading up would become virtually impossible. You can console yourself a little by knowing that you're doing the right thing and keeping another Jag on the road!
You're not mad, first watched you when you had the Z4, this is very interesting
Hi Joel I'm glad you have finally found a garage and set of guys who sound like they actually take pride in what they do and have knowledge of the brand. Otherwise certainly wouldn't be talking about making some content on your car and repairs being carried out👍hopefully you have used your business head and done some kind of deal that satisfying to both parties,, you get a better price on repairs and they get some publicity through your channel which is win win for all👌, good luck buddy and the lady shall have her perfect wedding car😊,
Hi Noel, its people like you that keeps these cars on the road, without you it would be in the scrappy keep up the good work..
Reminds me of my V50, cost me £1200 and I have spent thousands on it, it is nothing special but I love it
The S type underpinnings and suspension were from the old granada, even the V6 block and bottom end was the from the old cologne V6
I bought a S Type Jaguar 5yrs ago off a elderly guy it hadn't been running on the road for a couple of years, but he did start it up quite often, it's a 2002 I paid £1000 for it since having for the first 12 months, it's it's had a new water pump, new radiator, new battery. Most costly 2yrs ago it had 2 new inner sills and the majority of the floor needed major plating/welding £1000. Just sailed through it's mot, and is running perfectly touch wood. All the repairs were done by a friend who has access to the garage he works for, so I count myself lucky. Good luck for the future👍
Mate. It’s a cracking looking car well done you
I am doing the same - kind of - bought a1998 pearlescent racing green with green leather Audi A6 2.8 Avant Quattro for £600 in 2015. And I love it, I love the colour, the looks, and it is the most comfortable place I ever sit. I do my own maintenance and when it becomes time to stop ignoring the gearbox fault, I hope to fix it myself, but if I have to pay someone else to recondition it its worth it because I love it. And having dealt with the stuff that had been left and refreshed the suspension it is totally reliable and flies through its MOT. I have an iCarsoft JLR scanner to work on an 04 Freelander. I have the cheaper one but I really recommend get some kind of scanner. You will need it.... Don't forget to subtract the cost of the hire of a wedding car.....
Tbh 5k is not much for such a car with an approved mot. I'm glad the negative attitude is gone a bit 😄 enjoy the car for a few more months, then you can kick it or keep it. I was skeptical at first, but I'm enjoying the S type videos now.
Also the 1.6k bill might look scary, but they have really taken care of a lot of worn parts which are tricky to change. So stay positive 😄
I bought a one owner 2.7 S Type in November 2013. Gearbox rebuild in 2016 but that is the biggest expense so far. Keep the rust at bay and keep up the maintenance and you will be well rewarded. I am with others - why spend around £30k for a modern box just like others. What you DO NEED is a garage that will look after you and the car and not their wallet. Keep on!
Good on you. I bought my 1995 C320 Mercedes for £2500. I immediately spent £2500 on replacing all the gaskets and rubber to fix oil leaks and now another £2500 on rust repairs. Despite the money spent, I love my car and it is my daily driver. Think about the cost if you were leasing a brand new V8 Jaguar. £800 per month with nothing to show for it when you hand the car back?
Did they make a 95 c320? I thought 280 was the biggest c class in 95
@@raycroal sorry..C124 320
@@kevinhowlett4097 good car, i had a clk320 fully loaded it was awesome i loved the 6 cylinder motor, i am on my second clk430 now and they are superb cars the value for money with the 430 is unmatched these days, what other v8 coupe can you buy for a couple of grand??
Keeping old cars alive is the way for me have two mg zr's and a zt that I keep going bit of history
Keep going with it it really is a lovely car and you know it.
Once you get on top of the corrosion issues and then use some preventative future corrosion issues as long as you treat the old girl with respect she will give you minimum issues.
Also a good move using a garage for content everyone is winning.
Old & older Jags need love (money), love S-Types (petrol v6 & v8) , if serviced, they are very reliable cars, good looking, comfortable, pleasure to drive
You probably could have got a mint 4.2 V8 or a R for the outlays but on the positive side you have ended up with something you absolutely love.
One of my locking wheel nuts snapped once when my old mechanic was taking it off when I was there-I think it took him about 20 seconds to get the nut off
This is making me appreciate my mechanic skills and family of mechanics. Cause i dont have to pay labour. Could only imagine what my transmission rebuild would have cost if i had taken to a shop. I spent $160 total for parts.😄
It still amazes me that you’d spend all that money and not change the oil and filter…
This car screams of British Royalty bro. Number 1 best looking sedan hands down. You should use it as your wedding car.
Good summary Joel . We call them "bangers" for a reason and it's important that you illustrate the potential downsides of bangernomics so that people can see that they might actually have been better off paying 10K for a 2018 Ford Fusion especially when they need it to start every morning. There's a big difference between daily drivers and weekend hobby / project cars and I think your Jag falls into the latter category . Maybe a future project could be investigating how much we have to spend to run a car that is 99% reliable while also being cool / powerful / fun ? GL getting the Jag wedding ready and I expect to see it in the raffle shortly afterwards😀😀
I normally lose with bangernomics but my £2k cooper is now into year 5 and only ended up with one £500 repair when the injectors went. Ive also lost badly , my MR2 being a bad choice.
Great interesting video, at least you know it is good to go. Look forward to more on the jag. 👍👍👍👍👍👍
Keep that beautiful machine alive! The amount you have spent and you have a luxury car!
You can usually buy parts way cheaper than your garage will get them for. My garage wanted to charge me £180+vat for 1 injector. I found them online for £120 all in.
Keeping old beasts like these on the road is fantastic. Not appreciated at all by ordinary members of the public and even less by the government who want us all in something by powered by a plug socket but the car community adore well looked after, rejuvenated examples of cars just like this.
On the flip side, I do think your money would be better spent on cars that are known to be solid platforms as well as being less prone to rust for example, the e53 X5, based on a e39 (tough as bricks and ridiculously engineered) but doesn’t rust like an e39, really desirable and strong engines, will appreciate in value, suv ride height but drive like a car, Range Rover bits inside but without the unreliability.
Feels like the perfect car for an L322 fan who doesn’t want the fuss or trouble
Your problem Jay is that you have to depend on garage/Specialist's to sort these old cars out ending in ££ bills, I'm an ex vehicle tech and collision estimator and proud of it because i put a lot of time and effort in my late teens to get my Btec and city and guilds and spent years working at various dealers as a tech and cars like this are easy for me as i only have to shell out for the parts and then put my free to me labour in! I also along the way did welding courses and took welding on (Gas and MIG) so i can deal with that as well!
That's a bitter pill to swallow but it has made great content Joel. Hope the tie up with the garage helps in the the future 👍
Did you see Richard Hammond roasting your car
Joel?!
What does he know anyway 😂
Keep the content coming! 👍🏻💪🏻
Hi Joel. I’m doing the same on a Cayenne turbo that I bought after watching your review………Yes it can be eye watering to tot up the expenditure but I look at it as rescuing the car from scrapping. You are keeping a now classic vehicle on the road - keep going!
The biggest thing I have come to realise though is everything must be done yourself. I had to change the thermostat and it was an absolute pig of a job - took 2 days as the old one had fused to the block being original. I dread to think of the cost. Yes the welding will need a specialist but almost everything other than an engine or gearbox rebuild can be achieved on the drive with a decent set of tools. It’s the only way I can afford to run an older car once worth 90k. You really can’t be using a garage for services or running repairs unless it’s mates rates!
Good on you love the content 👏 keep going forward ....... wish u tube was around when I had my adventures with old luxo barges ... might have paid some of the huge bills ...... !! On a plus side lots of clean rust free jags in thr dry climate off south Australia 🇦🇺 and great prices ...... given the exchange rate check them out ......
Haven’t heard your assessment of its realistic value today with all that work done
Life is too short for regrets! Plus the new subscribers you have attracted with the S Type :)
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Greetings from Germany.. 🇩🇪
I really love the 4.2 V8
S-Type and think about selling my 2020 Lexus RC 300h 😅🙈
My first s-type cost me £3,000 over 4 years... that included a replacement gearbox, and rear sub frame, and after it's last MOT is was decided to get rid of it as it was rusty beyond repair. but it's a jag thing... I'm on my second one now i bought it cheap knowing it has issues. 2 of which i have fixed, and now waiting for O2 sensors to arrive as these seem to be a common issue, and it has a DSC fault.. which again could be a sensor or pads. Anyway like is said it's a Jag thing and Jag owners tend to say through gritted teeth "I love my Jag".
Certainly worth keeping and ploughing in that cash. It’s a lovely car.
Good on you for deciding to keep going with it. You need to address the rust issues asap, even if just getting underneath with a wire brush and rust protection 👍
My old car needs a new clutch and gearbox soon , a garage would charge me like £1200 for that to be done , my friend whos a mobile mechanic will do it all for £700 so shows you it saves to shop around as these garage owners charge more to cover their rents on the units , my friend used to own his own garage Ridgeway Autos in Iverbut was paying silly rent even back n 2012 of like £3000 a month for the unit so in the end set up a mobile business thats the way to do it mate
I know you feel, i have a 2005 XJ that cost a few ££££ but i love, it so it what ever it needs
The Jag is already part of your family. Kudos to you for keeping her on the road. She's going to be an awesome wedding car. 👍
I feel your pain ! Where were you putting that Jack Joel ? Didn’t look like a jacking point to me mate
The repair bills aren't that bad once you're confident in the work that's been done... a lot of the total is VAT at 20%.
The car is a rare survivor and you have recognised that... it's typical of a car that was moved on before a lot of expensive overdue work was done and if you take one on you have to accept that and put in more than you'll get back to do the right thing by the car.
Hope the tyre swap works out well...
I nearly bought one of these, but go compare quoted over £800 a MONTH to insure, so I’ve opted for a 1.8 CLK 220 Converti instead.
They are lovely cars the S Type, but my dad had one and kept spending.
Wait what a tyre is 15 years old... I thought that went of DOT codes on them and had to be changed after 10 years.
Granted it has been a good number of years since I worked in the tyre trade.
Did you jack it up from the differential? Always scared to do that
How long is a MOT warrant good for over there...here in NZ it's good for a year if the car was first registered after the year 2000 older cars before that date 6 months Australia one year pinkslip any car.