I know this is the least of this film’s problems but... I really hate the cliché of a girl being nerdy and unattractive simply because they’ve given her messy hair and some glasses.
@@kosiqueensly4506 YEAH. They punish us for having curly hair (not even messy just wavy + curly) and for having the audacity to want to correct our vision with goddamn spectacles... why do they hate us so much. It isn't even like that in real life for crying out loud
@@kosiqueensly4506 worst part is, its not only on girls, in men, its the same, quirky, most of the times with a shirt and long pants above it, poor electro can tell ya
The most sympathetic character was the nameless "Handsome Man", who got his body and life temporarily taken over by Steve. Steve and Diana seemingly don't care that they've deprived this poor man of his consent and free will, using his body to have sex. It doesn't help that the movie treats this as romantic, and not downright horrifying.
And they made him be so nice to Diana at the end of the film, which is also creepy and terrifying. He was unwittingly being nice to someone who assaulted him, it’s so gross but the movie wants us to think it’s sweet.
Poor guy got his body stolen by a ghost just because said ghost's Amazon ex girlfriend was still obsessed with him even though she's had more than enough time to grieve his death and move on since he died in World War 1 and the 2nd film is as the title suggests set in 1984. 66 years since the war ended and she still hasn't gotten over him to the point she wishes him back and rapes the body of the guy he's possessing. Well done making your main heroine who's supposed to be an ambassador of peace a rapist DC and WB. Well done "sarcasm."
Please the other guy just seemed like a device to explain away Steve being there, like they literally forget about the poor guy until the very end of the movie and you forget about him completely because they have Steve as Steve the whole time, like why bring in a concept like that when you just drop it for 90% of the movie. It makes the stakes and emotions connected to the whole thing nonexistent.
Also, the guy doesn't recognize Diana at the end, implying he wasn't even conscious. So imagine that one night you're watching the Larry King Show, but In the second after you see yourself In the middle of the day, In the middle of the street, during what appears to be the end of days?
I genuinely cannot wrap my head around the decision to bring Steve back inside another mans body. I mean if he was just brought back to life no one would have questioned it, it's a magic wishing stone ffs, because all it does is make Steve and Diana look awful for not giving a fuck about this poor guy who has been yeeted out of existence.
Plus the price was diana losing her powers why involve this stranger? It makes no sense and the implication is gross. That is probably the worst of the movie.
I was wondering about that as well. It clearly shows the ability to create things out of nowhere and nothing i.e. the wall, the missiles. Why rape the poor guy?
Honestly, they could've really played with Steve coming back both as himself and in someone else's body. 3 options 1.) He comes back in nameless dude's body, and Diana is in a Daze initially, but has brief moments of clarity where she realizes that this shit is fucked up. Instead of losing her powers, she loses her faculties and maybe a bit of common sense whenever Steve is around her. The monkey's paw being that it's difficult for her to escape him or even want to be away from him. Both because of her desires being amplified, and.... y'know, magic. Making the "flying scene have an actual purpose similar to Hancock. She's trying to get away so that she can will herself to renounce her wish and regain her focus in order to save the world. 2. He comes back as himself, but the twist is that it's not really. The monkey's paw here is that Steve physically is back, but there's just something off about his personality. They can play it for laughs, they can play it for drama, they can even play it in a similar way that Justice League Doom did it. Diana was dosed with a hallucinogenic that made her see Cheetah in everyone that came near her. Do the same thing, just with Steve. That in itself sets up all kinds of humorous moments. A lapse in communication because she told Steve something, and he seems to never remember. Plot twist, that wasn't Steve, it was a co-worker. She says I love you to like 3 different dudes, or even some women. Since the movie is already ridiculous, just run with it. During a fight while chasing lord, suddenly have Steve attack her, and she gets confused. When she finally figures out what's happening, almost everyone around her is just Steve as she's losing her mind before mustering the will to renounce her wish before the madness of her obsession consumes her completely. 3. American Werewolf in London. Again, they already went for 70's/80's camp, they may as well commit 100% by having Steve show up as either a ghost or a corpse. They could've even drawn some inspiration from Burying the Ex, starring Anton Yelchin. A wish gone wrong brings an ex back to life, and hi-jinks ensue. Similar to my first idea, just have her so enamored with him that she hardly even notices that something's not right. Hell, another 80's movie, Mannequin is also perfect for this kind of movie. She sees a mannequin in the museum that vaguely reminds her of Steve because of how it's dressed up. She makes her wish, he comes to life and once again, hi-jinks ensue. Maybe his walking is kind of stiff. Maybe Diana pops one of his arms or his hand off by accident and he just puts it back on like it's normal. Instead of a dress up montage, his body gets destroyed in one or both of the chases, and Steve wakes up in the closest mannequin or a statue wearing something completely different or nothing at all. These objects can transform into Steve, or they just become animated with his voice coming out of them. Like for a movie attempting to capture the spirit of 80's camp, WW84 dropped the ball hard as fuck....
My big problems with it: 1)Hyped gold armor that was completely useless in the actual film. 2)Cheetah got powered up TWICE and was still no actual challenge to WW. 3)The all-powerful wishing stone couldn't give Steve his own body.
4. Hated Cheetahs origin because they made her into the JEALOUS friend instead of the friend that got cursed by a God because her friend didn't keep her promise when she said she could count on her whenever she needed her
Mine were really just: 1) Cheetah CGI 2)She saved the day with "positive thinking"? WTF? That doesn't make any sense But yeah the body swap thing was weird too
Number three could literally be solved if they took inspiration from Pygmalion and have Steve resurrect from a statue. Makes sense since Diana unintentionally prayed to the stone (like how he prayed to Venus), granting her want of creating Steve from memory (Galatea being made to represent womanhood before given sapience and autonomy from the gods) but decided to let go of that want because it was already fucking up the world. Handsome man can literally still be there at the end WITHOUT the unintentionally fucked-up baggage on the writers’s part.
I couldn’t stop thinking about how the guy who’s body he inhabited also had a life, had friends a job, maybe even a girlfriend of his own and none of this was brought up, no problems arose because of this??
I haven't even seen the movie, but he could have also had, y'know, - a FAMILY ?? Spouse, kids, siblings, parents - people that were worried sick since he just disappeared?
Yep, I saw bionic pigs review and he brought up a good point that maybe some people wished for food because they were too poor to buy some. Who would renounce that wish? Who would say, you know what, yeah, I would rather have my children starve to death!
I'm at least glad that he wasn't downright evil like his comic counterpart, where Wonder Woman snaps his neck. This version was perfectly redeemable so at least there's that
The people who try to rationalise away the male rape are the worst kind of humans, one party having power is not what makes it rape, a lack of consent is what defines it
Gal Gadot acts like a movie-long celebrity cameo. Like when u see a supermodel cameo in a TV show. Everyone knows who she is, so she doesn't have to act.
I commented somewhere that Gal is not that good of an actress, so some fanboys attacked me and blamed for being jealous. Great that I am not the only one who thinks she can't act
I wanna die every time someone says that women cannot abuse men. Like, I literally feel 3 months are taken from my lifespan whenever I have to read that argument.
As someone who was molested by my much older female cousins as a young elementary school boy, I can definitely agree. Of course as the weird kid that nobody liked and didn't get many girls, I didn't see anything wrong with at the time and even enjoyed the attention. But that doesn't make any less predatory or disgusting considering they were highschool teens and I wasn't even 10 years old yet. Not to mention they had a habit of constantly treating me like absolute shit simply because of the fact that I was weird and annoying.
@@Ukiby3000 Honestly I just try block it out of my mind and not think about it because aside from having no actual proof that this happened, and the fact that I enjoyed it. Not the mention with the whole stigma of "oh you should be glad those girls wanted you", which just makes me say to hell with. But then, this toxic trend of "women can't assault men" and "women can't be predators" just makes me think back to those days like "wait, was I a victim?".
@Bartolo Clemen except the moral ramifications of him taking over another man’s body are only mentioned in passing if at all, it’s mostly played for laughs and again, they rape this man with no consequence. So if him being in this man’s body is supposed to be considered a consequence, the movie sure doesn’t treat it like one
Fan fact: in this dceu Bruce Wayne was born in 1972 and his parents died when he was 8 (approximately). So Bruce probably wished that to see his parents again(come back to life), then Diana convinced him to reverse his wish! Just like she convinced everybody else!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
So in this universe Bruce's parents might have died twice with Joe Chill killing them the first time and Diana doing it the second time by undoing Bruce's wish? Good for her he never found that out in BVS then or else it'd be her he went after instead of Superman. And since her mother's name is Hippolyta there'd be no saying Martha to save her.
Disliking this movie because of how undeniably bad it was doesn’t make anyone sexist. I think everyone can agree that we’d love to see a badass-not bad-Wonder Woman movie, but this unfortunately did not do it.
Watkins is all about that though, it's just her M.O. Just like Elizabeth Banks trying to make the same argument about her Charlie's Angels. Some "feminists" (quotations, because that's not feminism, it's women superiority) just want to make EVERYTHING about sex/gender to pick a fight, even when it's not.
To the PC brigade disliking a film that happens to star a woman for reasons that have nothing to with it starring a woman is automatically sexism. People hate it because the DCEU Wonder Woman rather than being the badass she is in the comics and DCAU was in her solo film a naive idiot who thought Ares was causing WW1 and that killing the general she thought was Ares in a human form would automatically stop it and abandoned the world after killing the real Ares. And in this she obsesses over the long dead Steve Trevor, brings him back as a ghost who possesses a random man's body and has sex with Steve using said man's body. The guy's body had not only been stolen by a ghost but was being raped by a strange woman as well. Then when Steve brings it up after Diana says she doesn't care and just wants him. Then she drags Steve and the man into situations that could kill both of them as well.
In response to "Woman can't assault men because of the power dynamics": are they saying that the man unconscious in a magical coma had more power in the relationship than Diana the goddess?
17:08: That 1 comment shows everything wrong with current Society: A Social Bubble so absolute that people think such Nonsense. I bet somewhere is a Boy so spoiled and hidden-away in a Big Mansion that he doesnt KNOW that Woman are actually a Thing. Literally.
@@nurkahnert1954 I would have totally wished for the world to end instead, how would she reverse shit if everyone and everything is dead? EOEOEOOEOEOEOEO!
It reminded me of Chucky from the Child's Play films trying to transfer his soul into other people's bodies. But Chucky's an evil serial killer both as a human and a possessed doll while Diana and Steve were supposed to be good heroic people even though they weren't.
My question is how the HELL was cheetah ever able to rival Diana in a fight when Diana has been training to be a perfect warrior her whole life? The first movie literally said she was a better fighter than every other amazon. This movie solidified that by having Diana at, like, 9 rivaling grown women in a skill based competition. And youre telling me she got her ass kicked by someone with no fighting ability AND who has had their powers for less than a week? Even if Diana didnt have her abilities, her fighting style in that scene is laugable. And youre telling me she needed fancy indestructable armor, which was destroyed in the first 5 minutes, to have the fighting skill she has literally spent her whole life training for?
Oh since you mentioned it, remember when Diana was training openly in her teens in the first one? The reason she trained like that was cuz her mom forbidden her at age 8 or 9, there was no indication if a BIG stadium of a competition training and now at age 8 or 9, Diana is openly training? Hate this movie more now?
That "Imagine" shit was like a fucking Black Mirror episode. I actually still find it difficult to process how out of touch it was, to the extent I half wondered if it was meta-irony too advanced for me to grasp. It's like them singing "Dancing On The Ceiling" to a hospital full of landmine victims.
The entire celebrity community was cringe during the quarantine. Watching them complain about being bored in mansions while millions are in tiny apartments alone and broke
It's like people who don't like Black Panther for reasons that have nothing to do with its black cast being accused of being racists who only hate it because of that.
@@trinaq Injustice Wonder Woman I could see doing that since that version of her's a villain and used Lois being killed by Joker to manipulate Regime Superman into being more ruthless and planned to make him fall in love with her. But not what's supposed to be the main film universe's Diana.
@@mqfii8992 What is it with certain people shipping Wonder Woman and Superman? Is their logic "They both have powers so they'd make a great couple." Bit shallow because it takes more than characters having powers for them to be a good couple.
@@Xehanort10 Linkara said it perfectly In one of his videos. "It's the world's strongest man with the world's strongest woman". It seems perfect on a surface level, but when it comes deeper, it doesn't necessarily work. The only versions that made it work was Kingdom Come (pretty good too) and New 52 (somewhat).
Honestly, realizing that Diana technically slept with a man who didn’t consent to it really made me upset. There was no reason for that to exist in the story line. If they just said Steve was just magically back in a new version of his body, i would believe it. Men can suffer from sexual assault to and sexual assault deserves to be taken seriously, no matter who it is. I was really disappointed in this movie especially after we got movies like the first Wonder Woman movie and birds of prey, both of which are films I still enjoy. There was just a deep plunge of quality in writing, not to mention the ignorant depictions of people from other countries and we literally barely saw Barbara as cheetah (because of lighting) and the armor was used for like 5 minutes. Pedro Pascal and the Amazonians scenes high key carried this movie.
"You're hating on women because you are making valid critiques of a movie that has a timeless, iconic woman superhero, who for some reason needs a love interest for both of her solo movies, desperately so because they literally brought Chris Pines' character back from the dead via possession, instead of just focusing on her and her enemies as a whole." Yeah, with this, how will feminism ever prevail? 🙄 Those people are part of the problem.
Well, the writer was the same woman who tried to make Aileen Wuornos a sympathetic anti-hero. She was a cold-blooded serial killer. Yes, she had a tragic life, but plenty of men and women live through assault and terrible childhoods/adulthoods and don't go trawling for people to murder. She tried to make excuses for her behaviour and use that as "women empowerment" too. Monster might have good filming, but the writing is disgusting. Most sane people agree that swooning and making excuses for people like Ramirez and Bundy is disgusting and not ok, but because Wuornos was a woman it's suddenly ok? No. Just, no.
Whenever I see sexists of either gender I just can't help but think of the song "Why can't we be friends" because that's genuinely the one of the only ways these things are gonna be lessened. Obviously the bad ones are gonna need educating or punishing for harmful speech or actions, but so much of it is just because so many people can't just fucking get along! Can't fucking agree that maybe both genders are just fucking people! We don't need to be putting either one on a pedestal and use it in marketing or defence of shit.
@@Amarianee also Aileen was arrested for death threats, putting a gun into a man's mouth she sexually assaulted when she was in her 20s shooting at a family including their kids , beating her ex boyfriends and girlfriends with guns , bats and even beer bottles long before her murder spree years later She was not a victim in anyway she was a piece of shit long before she murdered them innocent men And no one talks about that movie anymore because everyone got called out for that bs ... Charlize Theron admitted she shouldn't of played her so heroic years later
idiots who defend the idiocy of all that- urr well you see the wish has to have a downside, so when she made that wish the cost was the stealing of another mans body to show the struggle diana must face everyone with a brain- ok no shes getting her powers drained is the cost of said wish, so why does diana have two costs when everyone else has one, and hell why doesnt she even acknowlege it expect for a couple of seconds then forgotten, and we (as you said) things can be created out of nothing idiots- urr well your just a sexist asshole usally how these tend to go
It’s so strange that they decided to not just make Steve manifest himself in full. It contributes literal zero to the plot that he’s puppeteering a body like it’s Weekend at Bernie’s. I know the argument is “but people would recognize him because he was a war hero”, but like... how many random WWI heroes could the average person recognize?
@@spooplegeist5260 also the body he temporary stole had a passport and a Visa right? They literally didn't needed to steal the plane. And diana also was one of wwl's heroes if diana isn't recognized by the public she saves daily, why would someone looking like a dead guy call so much attention?
@@spooplegeist5260 besides, who would ever consider the idea that a WWI veteran came back to life? Like people would just go “wow, you really look like that pilot from WWI, how cool, are you a nephew maybe?”
The most egregious part of this movie was that it expected me to believe that normal computers all over the world in 1984 had the capability to display a fully colored, high-resolution, live stream of Pedro Pascal.
The “Well shit, Diana” line is not only the best line in the movie but it also sums up everything that transpires in this mess of a feature production.
17:08: That 1 comment shows everything wrong with current Society: A Social Bubble so absolute that people think such Nonsense. I bet somewhere is a Boy so spoiled and hidden-away in a Big Mansion that he doesnt KNOW that Woman are actually a Thing. Literally.
@@HaplessOne or, hear me out, one of the many immature people who think they’re quirky by leaving a dislike on every video they watch, you smooth brain. Not every tiny issue in the world is feminists, little boy. Why would feminists even like the movie with the dated and overused “‘nerdy’ girl becomes gawk-worthy after taking off her glasses and putting on some make up” trope and the EXTREMELY questionable scenario regarding Diane’s boyfriend being in another man’s body?
@@Penguinmanereikel Who can say? there's no way to know, so this discussion is pointless beyond just goofing off of people who dislike for seemingly no reason. No reason to take seriously
@@c....d8288 you mean paw? I mean it apparently was real though and she's the only one with a weird one. If it's an illusion how does he interact with the actual story and real world? He fires an RPG and stops a car before hitting kids at one point lol. I mean those nukes were real and her monkey paw effect was her powers being taken taken when she never knew she was actually making a wish meaning that evil God might just be able to steal people's power in a broken way
The "sex was eradicated from that reality" argument is such a crockpot of shit. It doesn't change the fact that Diana willingly took part in it and was still the same Diana after things changed back. The lengths these people go to are genuinely insane
¨I wished that there was a cure for cancer so it could not only help me, but also future victims of the disease, but whatever I guess I have to renounce my wish.¨
Writing a good movie? No. Writing a “romance movie” that is comprised of a man not giving consent and only saved the actual plot till the last 5 minutes of the movie? Yes.
I cant believe they went such a cliche route with cheetah. The down on the luck desk jockey who's nerdy and admired the hero who also becomes the villain. Yeah because Incredibles and The Amazing Spiderman didnt already do that already
And also why is her turning evil by beating up a man who tried to assault her a bad thing? The movie is trying to make us believe that that’s a bad thing, but that doesn’t make any sense.
Diana: “Even though I come from an island of women, I’m going to spend the next 70 years pining for the one man I happened to encounter and knew for like a week.”
Maybe their logic was that, after living in an island with no men, she was so romantically and sexually repressed that the moment she liked a guy she thought it was the love of her live and got obsessed with him. It’s bad but at least it’s something.
To be fair, it was the first man she ever loved. When teenagers get their first girlfriend or boyfriend, they're super into them and a lot of their lives revolve around them at that time, and if they break up, they get super depressed. 60 years is a long time to spend depressed about it, but for someone who has lived centuries, 60 years isn't all that much.
My cousin has basically started being distant and pissy with me ever since I said I didn’t like this movie because she believes it means you hate women.
Tell her that hating a film starring a woman for reasons that have nothing to do with that isn't sexism. Some filmmakers just use the fact that a badly written and acted character happens to be black, gay, a woman, trans, disabled and the like to accuse you of prejudice for not liking them for reasons unrelated to those things. This film sucks because the plot's right out of a bad fanfiction, the characters are boring, a character who's supposed to be a hero is turned into a horny lunatic obsessed with a long dead man and also a rapist, the only sympathetic characters are Maxwell Lord and the guy whose body is stolen by Steve Trevor and raped by Diana and people are expected to give up their wishes just because she said so.
How old is your cousin and did you actually try and have a discussion with her? Maybe you can explain your views and let her know that is not the case.
@@7emidio Isn't MauLer trash, though? And I'm not joking. What degree of inane internet chuddery do you need to be to make a "review" of a movie 5 times longer than the original movie itself?
the way they handled the whole "feminism" thing was truly disheartening. As you pointed out, the fact that all the men in the movie are either evil or useless, isn't great, and the fact that she is still caught up about this dude after like 60 years, is so ridiculous that my little sister could point it out. Empowering women and little girls is an important thing, but you just make it worse when you show the "strong female protagonist" as basically dependant on this one dude who died over fifty years ago to be happy. like what the fuck? Edit: I'd also like to add that they litteraly used this random dudes body without his consent and the movie played it off as nothing.
Akshually... The one element I find believable..is an ageless woman from a secret civilization of women being obsessed with The First Man. He would fulfill many roles beside lover. Father. Also, Adam and Eve rebels against her "Garden of Eden" Tempter (Satan) and since he's mortal, child. I think if I was made from clay and lived for centuries on an island of just men...the first flesh and blood woman I ever saw...was kind to me, that I saved...well I would be stuck. Hes mortal, but in a way, he's her "God"
@@thereisnosanctuary6184 huh. I dunno about that one. I guess I can kinda understand that idea, but I think that reaction is just you. And the whole idea of him being her "God" as you put it, is kinda stupid in my opinion. I mean, it's kinda weird when you think about it, you're basically just saying "I'm going to worship this man because he is alive" Which is pretty weird considering that she was surrounded by other normal men who were torturing and killing people for essentially no reason in the first movie.
I feel like there weren't any feminist themes. Did I miss something?All the women relied on getting their power from men(Max and Steve). They copied old 80s movie tropes: clumsy nerd turns hot, men being pervy,the dad that works too much to pay attention to his family,the one perfectly pure and powerful chick (Diana).
@@moxiemaxie3543 yeah i know. I'm more or less talking about the way they branded and advertised it as a feminist movie, when it's clearly not. They kinda showed it off as one and ended up relying on old tropes to tell a story. It was a little disappointing.
@@incase3007 The worst part is that it's **Wonder Woman** being hung up over a guy. Like, I am sure she mourns him because she lost him so suddenly, but there is no way she would be hung up to that extent. The comic version of her would never lower herself like that for a guy, or anyone really. Her arc should have been her dealing with loneliness, never being able to go to Themyscira and see her mother, dealing with the worst of humanity's behaviour during the 20th century, maybe PTSD from WW1 and 2, and watching all her WW1 friends grow old and die. There were a bunch of other reasons outside of Steve that would be less jarring to watch her grow from. Like her learning that even tho she'll lose people, it's worse to never live at all. It does NOT need to be rooted in a romantic relationship.
If we want equality,women heroes should be allowed to be as mopey and crying as male heroes when thier "favorite human"s die. This is the only thing I can defend,her character was completly sabotaged.
A few story-related things I thought of when watching: In the Olympics scene at the beginning, Diana, a child, outperforms the adults around her. This does make a bit of sense, as being the daughter of Zeus does give her some extra powers, but it doesn't make sense why she was competing in the first place. In the first film, her mother was completely against having her train in the first place, but she is allowed to compete in the Olympics for some reason. If you want to set up the theme of "no shortcuts", try going about it in a more personal way that doesn't sacrifice internal logic. The stone is a really bad Monkey's Paw. The Monkey's Paw is supposed to give understandable and foreseeable ramifications for a person's wish(i.e. a wish for cash ends up getting delivered in the form of a cash settlement following a loved one's tragic accident). It seems like, in order to actually make the wish come true, certain variables have to be moved into place. Not always in a good way. Diana wishes for her BF back, but he's possessing someone else. That makes very little sense as a consequence because nobody would presume that and it is not a very understandable consequence. That's more like something I would expect from a Djinn than a Monkey's Paw. It's almost like something is actively messing with the person asking for the wish. Easy fix: Steve returns in his own body, but with all of the memory from the 60-ish years he spent stuck in the afterlife. Put plainly, he's been dead longer than he's been alive and isn't fully human anymore. The person who taught Diana how to be human in the first place is no longer human himself. This way, there's room for a bit of knife twisting where Diana realizes that there is a consequence to messing with life and death like that, and it would feel more like a Greek tragedy. Also, it eliminates the r*** Cheetah could have a much better execution too. Instead of having a few scenes where she's suddenly "evil"(beating up that guy was justified), have her recognize Diana as Wonder Woman(since Diana's not really trying to hide it around her) and offer to help. As her powers start to develop, she starts exhibiting more traits in common with predator animals, becoming more angry, viscious and ruthless. Also, cats are usually depicted as strong, agile, elegant, and proud creatures. Have Cheetah exhibit some of those traits as she fights, relying on agility and acrobatics along with her strength. Then, near the end, have her pride come to a head where she thinks she's better than Diana. Have her hubris get in the way of the mission and let her and Diana fight it out. In the end, she starts to transform as a nod to old Greek transformation myths where mortals would be transformed into an animal that best matched their particular traits, occasionally as a punishment. (Lycaon, Arachne, Alectryon, etc.) This wouldn't necessarily be the wish stone's fault, but more of an incident of divine wrath. The invisible plane was dumb and kinda breaks the story since Diana can just turn stuff invisible at will now. Kinda makes her the ultimate stealth fighter, so why not use that or get rid of the power from the screenplay? Djinn Djarin (Max) is mostly fine as a character, but he's supposed to be this cunning businessman type and that really doesn't come across. One way to fix this would be with the oil deal that went bad. Instead of the "oh well...I'll just take this then" approach, have him offer the security officers a deal for whatever they wanted(healing loved ones, wooing the love of their life, etc.) As a show of good faith. The deal isn't just for the main guy, but to everyone he works for. He could then manipulate them into following him. Once the deal goes sour he just shrugs and goes "Oh well...Deal is still on for anyone willing to follow me." This way it feels like he had the backup plan all along and that it was entirely the security team's choice to follow him. Tie Djinn Djarin's son into his motivation more. Why is he doing all of this? Because he wants to give his son everything he never had as a kid. He's a father who wants to give his son the world, but slowly gets wrapped into this long and complicated scheme that ultimately distances him from his goal more than advances him toward it. What he thought was a shortcut ended up being a dead end. The lasso of truth is the biggest asspull of the film because it's basically the fix all tool. The only thing it can't do is burn a hole through walls. Instead of having all of these dumb spectacle shots, just leave it as is. Bird armor was alright even if I really don't understand why she had that just lying around. The whole broadcast thing made no sense and was only there to have a grand finale. Instead of all of that, they could have just had all of the wishes slowly decay Djinn Djarin to a point of near death(a plot point that was brought up earlier and then brushed aside) and have Diana convince him that his only salvation is to go to everyone and have them undo their wishes. It's something that will take a long time, a lot of money, and won't be easy, but there are no shortcuts. If he wants to survive and see his son grow up and just be there as a father should be (something near to him as he mostly started doing this so he can give his son the most fulfilling life possible) he'll have to do that. At which point she could even make the first step and undo her wish to see Steve again, healing him enough to start his quest for penance. It's subdued, sure. But not every Superhero film needs to end in some grand stakes fight for the fate of humanity. Something more quiet and poignant would be good, considering we missed out on that in the first film. Those are most of the big ones for me. More themes of Greek tragedy, understandable risks and character moves, and more emotional knife twisting. I watch movies to feel stuff, for God's sake.
Pedro parcel has just become the mandolorian there's no escape for him. Also yeah, this all makes more sense. I really like the part about Steve not being human anymore, like a Greek tragedy
@@littlemsterious991 I actually love Pedro Pascal. He was great in Game of Thrones and Kingsman and I do look forward to seeing him in other stuff(provided he actually has a good script to work off of). I mostly just referenced his role in The Mandalorian because I saw the opportunity to make a pun.
Bpmnl b bbhh . But two weeks games and maybe I'll actually get to finish the Mandalorian I'm standing with. There's sort of a balance between did you want you moving music that makes you feel better but they don't want you tripping but super glue Vegas so after that pretty much so at least you won't be stuck in bed well you are actually laid out bubble gum about a boy who is Randy should only need to be off my feet for 24 hours how to be like according to what it was E.g. qq
Jlongbone actually made an interesting defense of Diana still mourning for Trevor. She is if not immortal than extremely long lived. So 60ish years is a drop in the bucket for her. It seems ridiculous for us because we can’t afford to mourn and pine over one person for that long. It probably wasn’t a good idea to have in the movie since most people aren’t going to see it that way at first glance.
It's a difficult assessment to make, since we have no real example to derive Diana's behaviour from. Would an immortal amazon who has lived for thousands of years even dare to get this attached to someobdy, or shut herself away because she went through the loss of loved ones before? Maybe she never was so close to someone before, and the lack of distance makes the shock so hard to recover from. Without a long history of what she did over the course of her existence, it's really up to writer's interpretation how she handles emotional trauma. And here, she handled it poorly.
That issue personally never bothered me, but then again, me and some good friends play a Tabletop RPG where immortality is that rare a thing, and both us and the lore of the system we use deal with how being immortal amongst mortals messes with a person's emotional wellbeing.
Yeah but he was the literally the first man she ever met and they knew each other for all over 3 months. She still mourned him for 240x how long she knew him. My exboyfriend died in 2017. We dated/lived together for 3 years, were broken up for a year due to his drug use. I still occasionally cry and miss him, but I swear if I was still grieving and refusing to love anyone else, he would probably come back from the dead just to tell me off for being ridiculous. A man who loves a woman would want her to find happiness.
The golden armour that was in every trailer, every movie poster: "Oh it's something wrapped up in my study I found" "Yeah, I've flown in and it got punched, finished with it now"
The Sketches from the Soundtrack are arguably better than the actual Soundtrack because at least there are 80's influences in the tracks. _'84, Barbara Minerva_ and _Citrine_ in particular are really really 80's.
@@CloudyMemory 😂😂😂WHAT?! WHEN DID Man of Steel and The Amazing Spiderman 2 come out????? I don't care about your pov on the movies those scores WRECK this movies score. Even the original WW movie score beats this one.
@@sniperflashgaming3868 Not a fan of Man of Steel or Spiderman 2, they're both obnoxiously loud, simplistic and devoid of any subtlety. Zimmer's last good score was probably Angels & Demons.
My personal favorite plot hole is the bulletproof dinner tray in the fight scene in the white house. Or the fact that not a single person in the entire world didn't renounce their wish
This movie feels so first draft. A lot of the movies minor problems would go away if they double checked the script again. But the movie will still have its major problems like Gal Gadot's acting.
@@CynicalReviews The airplane scene was so stupid. I figured that in the 70 years that she has been around in the modern world she would have saved enough money to buy her own jet but they went with the stupid route and made her steal one instead with her face on camera. They had a more logical explanation available.
Diana: i forgot to tell you. Radar. I can't explain now but they'll see us. Me: She can't explain because the person writing her dialogue doesn't even know how radar works.
@Meta Man Star wars Has more Bad movies: Star wars 8 and 9. And especially 8 is so Bad that it's regarded as the worst AAA movie Off the Last 10 years.
When I watched this, I never understood why they snatched young Diana away from the competition. Like, I get by their eyes she cheated, but I thought it would have been a better lesson to show that while she tried to adapt and continue the competition despite losing her horse, she missed a target and the competition rejected her victory. Like, have her throw the spear and it bounce off a force field because “magic”. Have her experience the failure rather than being forcefully taken out of the competition, because I didn’t feel like she truly understood why she was disqualified.
I mean, there are some scnes that he does a good job, but most of thw scenes he is bad as hell, i think this movie was such a mess that evwn hwe didnt looked good, look at his other movies, she does a bettwr job, not saying he in awesome actress, but she fits the role in my view
I mean...anyone could do a decent job at acting *some* of the time, I think we forget these people are just people, and you could probably pull any woman off the street and get a semi-believable actress. We pay and admire these people for being able to do it *all* the time...like that’s their one skill and she can’t do it, so she can’t act. She’s just stereotypically attractive.
You know, I'm surprised how many reviewers of this movie completely overlook or don't comment on the fact that WW84 co-opted/flat out stole Hawk Girl's armor set for WW to use. That armor Diana wears during the big climax... you know, the one with metal/golden wings and a hawk-crested helmet... that's Hawk Man/Girl's armor. If DC planned on bringing either of those characters into the DCEU, they completely neutered any kind of awe-inspiring introduction because not only have we seen it in WW84, but the reveal of said armor was incredibly lackluster in nature. Just another thing DC has royally screwed up with their live-action films.
Nobody going to talk about how a decommissioned fighter jet just happened to have enough fuel for a trans Atlantic flight to Cairo? And the fact they pretty much had to jump out midair because they can't land a UFO in an airport?
Barbara wants to be an "Apex Predator"? So, she becomes a humanoid cheetah, an animal that is bullied by pretty much every other predator in the African Savanna?? Ok. 👌 Edit: Damn, over 1k likes?? And now one from the great Rian Doggo himself. I guess that's a personal achievement for me. Thanks guys/girls. 👍
Yeah cheetahs are kind of a one trick pony. Oh, you can sprint super duper fast for five seconds? Great! Now get bodied by everything else in the African servers.
@@r.j.penfold Ah yes, the "Apex Predator." Capable of running extremely fast, maybe being able to take down a single gazelle using all of its energy, then having to leave because some lions or hyenas showed up and not only are they in a group, they could probably still kill you one on one.
But..it IS a comic book movie. And magic is in the whole plot. Expecting realism in a comic book movie makes no sense. And expecting realism in magic based fantasies make no sense. In this movie, they both meet. Magic lasso that tells truth. I wasnt a huge wonder woman comic reader, but a few guys told me in comics she was I dead able to grab lighting. Possibly ao.ethinf to do with her forged by God's or some shit. You have no problem with her being a kick ass, magic lasso carrying woman, who somehow still have time to work a fully professional job in a museum..but you have a problem with her being prepared..as any hero should be...and when an emergency came up, she knew of a fully fueled plane? You cant just put together that shes a hero who works in a museum ap she probably has that place rigged upfoe her convenience? That's too much of a stretch? Magic rock can make things appear out of nowhere and make other things disappear...but it's crazy unbelievable that it is capable of switching planes of existence in the body steve is in? Like, the guy just poofed away. As far as I understood it. As if steve was born and grew in that body. He wasnt occupying the body as a ghost does in a possession. He fully owned that body as if he grew with it from birth. Doesnt make sense? Neither does nukes that no one built coming out of nowhere...its magic. Every complaint about this movie seems to be based on a person expecting it to relate to OUR real life universe instead of accepting it's not our universe. It's a parallel universe where magic exists and superheros are around.
@@agonleed3841 When did "realism" come into the picture? I'm pretty sure we were talking about people being lazy with entertainment and using excuses like "it's a kids film" or "it's a comic book movie" to justify their laziness.
Any time lazy filmmakers get called out for their laziness they say "It's a "insert genre of film here" movie." It'd be like someone saying a comedy film with bad jokes that was shit is good because "It's a comedy movie" even though comedies are supposed to be funny..
The scene where Diana leaves Trevor genuinely made me laugh, it’s so stupid and hilarious. Pedro Pascal is the best and most sympathetic character in the movie.
I like the scene... i think it was a natural way to leave it without having it to face for more time, the movie was a mess but you have to make think original and more natural, she doesnt want to lose him so what its the better way to accepet it, without seeing him turning back to the person of the body, and losing all the fantasy she had about him? By walking away and seen that she regret the wish makes real sense because it isnt a hard choice, but the movie did it bad when it comes to show the love between both more and etc, also he did left pretty early in the movie, like he wa skust a sidekick and supporting carachter, it ahould have had more emotional depth betqeen botj
"Why Wonder Woman 1984 is Terrible" I don't think it needs explanation to any sensible person why its trash, but we'll gladly hear about it, so cheers to that.
@@phabiorules YEAHH i love being on a dying website though bc twitter gave me headaches everyday so i quit lmao. Tumblr is broken site imo, but its my broken website
Just a small remark: "Sunshine (Adagio in D Minor)" was composed by John Murphy for the sci-fi movie Sunshine. It was indeed used & re-used countless times and it's damn lazy to borrow it when you have a Hans Zimmer on board.
Oh god, Pedro Pascal needs to never shave again. The movie might have been crap, but the trailer was amazing, I watched it a BUNCH of times, and I didnt notice it was Pedro Pascal until someone _pointed it out_
I don't think Pascal is planning on growing his beard (or at least, not too much) until next year. The Mandalorian season 3 production is scheduled to start at the end of the year or begginig of 2022, even if there aren't any shots without his helmet, a beard too long would peek from under it.
Let's set up the Golden Armor as being so strong that they can fend off the armies of the world and let tease it for years only to show it for ten minutes and have it ripped like paper by a cat lady.
Some people said Max had control over what was being granted, but for the life of me I couldn't tell if he did or not. So many offhand wishes where granted that I never thought he was in control of anything.
Also let's just point out that Wonder Woman 1984 could've used Cheetah's Injustice 2 model as inspiration for her character design, and actively chose not to.
The funny thing is cosplayers have shown us that amazing things can be achieved through practical effects but instead they choose this CGI abomination which doesn't even look like cheetah. Can Hollywood at least catch up to cosplays level of costume design.
@@NephilimHunter1959 not to defend Cheetas design in this or anything but cosplayers don't have to do anything near the movement and choreography that a superhero/villain has to do in a movie
He has the power! Because men are toxic and they empower women with their aggressiveness and power dynamics stuff! oh wait, but then we imply women are weak. She has the power! Because she is a powerful woman and she is free and stuff! oh wait, now that implies she raped him *feminist mind explodes*
The entirety of steve and diana’s relationship can be summed up with the “isn’t there someone you forgot to ask?” Meme format with them as the people saying “i consent” and the random dude in place of jesus saying “i dont!”
As someone who still loves the DC cartoons, I was perfectly fine with the cheesy lines and behavior. It’s when I saw how absolutely dirty they did Cheeta that the veil of “bad movie can still be good” fell apart. That absolute HYPOCRISY. I’ll say it till the day I die, if Steve had been a Stephanie and Diana had been a Dave there would’ve been an explosion of hate and a whole new hashtag calling out WW1984 for rape.
LITERALLYYYY, the trailer for this movie could have been the movie tbh. I liked the first Wonder Woman movie and now my brain feels fried from watching this review alone
My family religiously watches all superhero movies together and I can’t tell you how terrible it was to sit through this movie. It was so first draft and clunky it made me want to rewrite the whole thing out of frustration 😭 my parents tried to defend it as being a superhero movie, but as you said that’s no excuse
Just a little correction here: "It's magic" is not a bad explanation for the existance of the "Invisible shiled power". What makes it bad is the fact we have no explanation on HOW she's able to do that or when she learned it. Cause well, yes, that power is magic and the problem in saying "It's just magic" is it devoid people attention from the real question of "But how she can do it?! When did she learned it?"
That was one of people's biggest complaints about Rey from star wars. She would just do something people would ask "how'd she know how to do that?" They'd go "It's the force." "Yeah, I get that but where and when did she lear-" "the force." "But she had no training to-" "the force." " you can't just pull something outta your a** and say it's cause of-" "The force!" "She's a Mary sue" *gasp "sexist"
@@kinglewis6553 Well, she's a woman, therefore, she's absolved of real critiscim, you're sexist just for DARING to complain about the GREAT Ma-Rey Sue Skywalker! (But jokes aside, Rey's the modern embodiment of a Mary Sue character who gains protection cause of people's personal agendas, instead of noticing how her existence doesn't help their agendas cause she ends up becoming just a shallow objectification of "Strong female character". Problem with people is they forget we first need to have a strong Character, and we can after decide which gender it is)
@animationeer Haven't watched the prequels, but I guess this fits more with the new trilogy "More showing, more reference, less explaining,.less good writting". But from ehat I always hear about the prequels I guess that's kinda right
I kept leaving the room when I watched the movie cause of how bad it was. So because of that, I was so confused when everyone said she sexually-assaulted a guy, but I’m never watching the movie again it’s so bad. I had nightmares for weeks
That feels like you`re implying you left the room before `Steve` came back, and he was just there when you got back, and you weren`t concerned enough with how he got there to find out. Which I think is just about the perfect way to sum up this movie.
@@gwynzynoodles2553 lol, I left to use the restroom during that scene and when I asked my parents what had happened, they had checked out to the point where they didn't even know where Steve came from.
Wait if Wonder Woman can turn things invisible why didn’t she turn the spear with kryptonite on it from BvS Invisible so they could just throw it at doomsday without him seeing it ??
I’m getting so so sick of the way male characters are being treated in movies these days. Yeah, women have been (and to a degree still are) dealing with shit like this for DECADES but it doesn’t make it right to turn the tables. Women have been ornaments and victims in the film industry since its conception. The things a lot of commenters are complaining about? Women have been dealing with it for far longer. Eradicating the sexism against women is still absolutely necessary even today, contrary to what some folks think… But treating male characters like disposable buffoons with no value is not only the wrong way to do it, but more importantly it sends a gross dangerous message about the way we should view and treat men in general. Like, I enjoyed the Black Widow movie for the most part, but my angry feminist brain kept fuming at the way they handled the male characters. We only got two, and one was the villain while the other was a bumbling idiot. Fantastic. Great job in the fight for equality, treating everyone with dignity, and fighting against the myriad of legitimate men’s issues. 🙄
That's not the half of it. Not long ago I saw a family television show FROM THE FREAKIN 1950s that showed a GREAT action COUPLE: The Roy Rogers Show, which featured the highly popular cowboy Roy Rogers and his cowgirl wife Dale Evans. They mutually supported each other and often relied on each other's skills (she was skilled with the pistol, he was incredibly athletic and skilled with his fists). But what made it AMAZING was this: While Dale like Roy would courageously take on the thugs and literally bark at them when they were defeated (sometimes with her pistol aimed right in their freakin face or chest), she would completely shed all that toughness whenever she was around kids (she'd literally sweet talk to them many times). They absolutely NAILED the "strong heroine" character. It's no surprise that countless 1950s little girls dressed up like Dale and considered her their hero (much like the boys did Roy). If even THEN they could write a female character that well, Wonder Woman and modern Hollywood have absolutely NO EXCUSE.
My mom bought out a movie theater (not the whole building just one of the rooms) so we could go out and see WW84 as a family in December. We enjoyed it the first time mostly out of a sense of "yay we finally left the house and saw a movie in theaters", but by the next day, it began to dawn on us how problematic/bad it actually was, especially next to its predecessor.
Correction: Batty Jenkins cannot write an *original* story. With "Monster", the story already existed. The police reports and court transcripts was the story.. All Jenkins had to do was write a screenplay based on real documented events. When it comes to an original story, like WW84, she's right up there with George Lucas writing the ST prequels.
@@clementj To paraphrase Zack Snyder on why BvS totally botched The Dark Knight Returns: '... and that story is wonderful, BUT we decided to make our own story sort of based on that instead' See also every attempt at including Dark Phoenix in any X-Men movie ever
Diana: "I'm an Amazonian princess that has superpowers and can beat up bad guys all on my own" Also Diana: "I can't eat, sleep, think, live, or breathe without some guy named Steve I knew for about 40 minutes" Take note, little girls of the world. You can be as successful and independent as you want, but no one will care unless you have a Steve
I don’t think it’s unrealistic to care about someone who made such an impact on you. Steve was her first introduction to not only someone of the opposite sex but a human in general. He helped shape her perception of the world and his ultimate sacrifice at the end of the first film gave her the courage to do what’s right. I feel like their relationship can be equated to real world celebrity relationships in the sense that they aren’t ordinary: being a celebrity means that you are treated differently and recognized by many, making it hard to have genuine connections with people without them seeing you as otherworldly. Many times when celebrities do get in relationships they rush into it and get married quickly because they fear of losing the connection they’ve made and it doesn’t work out in the long run. For Diana and Steve, not only did he have the previously mentioned influences on her, but as she world continue in her life for the next 60+ years, she probably found it hard to relate on that very intimate level with others. She’s used to either being seen different or saving them. In her mind, she knows she’s powerful and different, and I imagine struggles with putting her guard down to think of a normal human as an equal in a relationship. This movie isn’t good, and I’m not defending its writing or the whole “other mans body” thing, but simply the fact that love does not have a time limit, and it’s not ok to belittle its existence or importance to someone else.
Here’s a way to add impact to the whole movie: Make Diana and Barbara have a relationship. When I watched the movie, the wish that Barbara made fooled me into thinking it would be Diana and Barbara as a couple which would have lessened the need for good cgi in the fights because they feel much more impactful. The sequence could be: Bump into each other, Dates and small talk, Park scene, Wish, Breakup. This would have actually made it make sense why she would hate Diana as the wish would take away that love. What wish would Wonder Woman make? I don’t know but sure as hell not one that brings back her ex. This would have also been ok by the comics as she is slightly bisexual there so why not run with it. This would have also been a major improvement for the theme of women empowerment especially for minorities. Then the happy ending would be them getting back together rather than being kind to the person you just raped.
When it was first set up that Steve was a body snatcher my thoughts were, ‘oh Steve is gonna go crazy being in someone’s body and out of time, that’s how the wish sours’ . . .then our hero immediately violates this strange man that they also go out of their way to establish is an actual person. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the character. Diana, if anything, would be trying to figure out how to fix that issue with Steve. She’s not some starry eyed dunce. WW is extremely intelligent and investigative. Also, I didn’t mind Diana not being able to get over Steve. Their chemistry in the first movie is great. The affection is genuine and the relationship was well written. She’s also kind of an immortal god so being hung up on your dead first love for the past 70 years is not unreasonable for Diana. However, violating someone’s body is not like WW at all. Ignoring a sinister plot and refusing to thoroughly investigate bc her wish came true is also not like WW at all. WB needs to focus less on replicating the Marvel formula and focus on why people used to enjoy their DC cartoons. WB is showing Plankton v Mr. Krabs levels of incompetence and desperation.
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I know this is the least of this film’s problems but...
I really hate the cliché of a girl being nerdy and unattractive simply because they’ve given her messy hair and some glasses.
Yeh it's so dumb, I took my glasses off and now men all find me attractive suddenly.
Thank you!!
They always give them curly hair and glasses. I naturally have curly hair and I need glasses, guess I should just die lol
@@kosiqueensly4506 YEAH. They punish us for having curly hair (not even messy just wavy + curly) and for having the audacity to want to correct our vision with goddamn spectacles... why do they hate us so much. It isn't even like that in real life for crying out loud
@@kosiqueensly4506 worst part is, its not only on girls, in men, its the same, quirky, most of the times with a shirt and long pants above it, poor electro can tell ya
"I wish I was able to feed my starving children."
Wonder Woman: 🚫
The TRUTH is beautiful !
Someone: I wish for world peace
Wonder woman: no 🚫
Someone: alright then
"I wish cancer didn't exist"
Wonder Woman: No HeRo Is BoRn FrOm LiEs
This emoji would've been more appropriate: 🙅♀️
@@strahinjagov Perhaps. I think the point still stands
An 11 year old Bruce Wayne wished for his parents to come back then he had to renounce it
That happened?
@@Marvelfanatic3658 Considering the timeline, it may have been possible, but no, it wasn't explicitly mentioned anywhere.
LMAO
Wow. If that would have really happened, adult Bruce would be hating Diana's guts so much.
Or after he renounce he was the one who died and Thomas Wayne became batman like flash paradox
The most sympathetic character was the nameless "Handsome Man", who got his body and life temporarily taken over by Steve. Steve and Diana seemingly don't care that they've deprived this poor man of his consent and free will, using his body to have sex. It doesn't help that the movie treats this as romantic, and not downright horrifying.
And they made him be so nice to Diana at the end of the film, which is also creepy and terrifying. He was unwittingly being nice to someone who assaulted him, it’s so gross but the movie wants us to think it’s sweet.
Poor guy got his body stolen by a ghost just because said ghost's Amazon ex girlfriend was still obsessed with him even though she's had more than enough time to grieve his death and move on since he died in World War 1 and the 2nd film is as the title suggests set in 1984. 66 years since the war ended and she still hasn't gotten over him to the point she wishes him back and rapes the body of the guy he's possessing. Well done making your main heroine who's supposed to be an ambassador of peace a rapist DC and WB. Well done "sarcasm."
Please the other guy just seemed like a device to explain away Steve being there, like they literally forget about the poor guy until the very end of the movie and you forget about him completely because they have Steve as Steve the whole time, like why bring in a concept like that when you just drop it for 90% of the movie. It makes the stakes and emotions connected to the whole thing nonexistent.
Also, the guy doesn't recognize Diana at the end, implying he wasn't even conscious.
So imagine that one night you're watching the Larry King Show, but In the second after you see yourself In the middle of the day, In the middle of the street, during what appears to be the end of days?
@@unclenought6385 I personally believe he wasn't conscious or aware at all during the possession.
If that makes it better or worse? You decide.
I genuinely cannot wrap my head around the decision to bring Steve back inside another mans body. I mean if he was just brought back to life no one would have questioned it, it's a magic wishing stone ffs, because all it does is make Steve and Diana look awful for not giving a fuck about this poor guy who has been yeeted out of existence.
Plus the price was diana losing her powers why involve this stranger? It makes no sense and the implication is gross. That is probably the worst of the movie.
I was wondering about that as well. It clearly shows the ability to create things out of nowhere and nothing i.e. the wall, the missiles. Why rape the poor guy?
Warner Bros didn't trust Gal Gadot to sell this movie by herself so they forced in Chris Pine. So much for female representation.
Honestly, they could've really played with Steve coming back both as himself and in someone else's body. 3 options
1.) He comes back in nameless dude's body, and Diana is in a Daze initially, but has brief moments of clarity where she realizes that this shit is fucked up. Instead of losing her powers, she loses her faculties and maybe a bit of common sense whenever Steve is around her. The monkey's paw being that it's difficult for her to escape him or even want to be away from him. Both because of her desires being amplified, and.... y'know, magic. Making the "flying scene have an actual purpose similar to Hancock. She's trying to get away so that she can will herself to renounce her wish and regain her focus in order to save the world.
2. He comes back as himself, but the twist is that it's not really. The monkey's paw here is that Steve physically is back, but there's just something off about his personality. They can play it for laughs, they can play it for drama, they can even play it in a similar way that Justice League Doom did it. Diana was dosed with a hallucinogenic that made her see Cheetah in everyone that came near her. Do the same thing, just with Steve. That in itself sets up all kinds of humorous moments. A lapse in communication because she told Steve something, and he seems to never remember. Plot twist, that wasn't Steve, it was a co-worker. She says I love you to like 3 different dudes, or even some women. Since the movie is already ridiculous, just run with it. During a fight while chasing lord, suddenly have Steve attack her, and she gets confused. When she finally figures out what's happening, almost everyone around her is just Steve as she's losing her mind before mustering the will to renounce her wish before the madness of her obsession consumes her completely.
3. American Werewolf in London. Again, they already went for 70's/80's camp, they may as well commit 100% by having Steve show up as either a ghost or a corpse. They could've even drawn some inspiration from Burying the Ex, starring Anton Yelchin. A wish gone wrong brings an ex back to life, and hi-jinks ensue. Similar to my first idea, just have her so enamored with him that she hardly even notices that something's not right. Hell, another 80's movie, Mannequin is also perfect for this kind of movie. She sees a mannequin in the museum that vaguely reminds her of Steve because of how it's dressed up. She makes her wish, he comes to life and once again, hi-jinks ensue. Maybe his walking is kind of stiff. Maybe Diana pops one of his arms or his hand off by accident and he just puts it back on like it's normal. Instead of a dress up montage, his body gets destroyed in one or both of the chases, and Steve wakes up in the closest mannequin or a statue wearing something completely different or nothing at all. These objects can transform into Steve, or they just become animated with his voice coming out of them. Like for a movie attempting to capture the spirit of 80's camp, WW84 dropped the ball hard as fuck....
@@LazarusBell Isn't Diana lowkey loaded? Like not Wayne stacked but still stacked? That's the impression I got.
My big problems with it:
1)Hyped gold armor that was completely useless in the actual film.
2)Cheetah got powered up TWICE and was still no actual challenge to WW.
3)The all-powerful wishing stone couldn't give Steve his own body.
4. Hated Cheetahs origin because they made her into the JEALOUS friend instead of the friend that got cursed by a God because her friend didn't keep her promise when she said she could count on her whenever she needed her
Muslim anger
@@PrincessMavenKittyDarkholme What?
Mine were really just:
1) Cheetah CGI
2)She saved the day with "positive thinking"? WTF? That doesn't make any sense
But yeah the body swap thing was weird too
Number three could literally be solved if they took inspiration from Pygmalion and have Steve resurrect from a statue. Makes sense since Diana unintentionally prayed to the stone (like how he prayed to Venus), granting her want of creating Steve from memory (Galatea being made to represent womanhood before given sapience and autonomy from the gods) but decided to let go of that want because it was already fucking up the world.
Handsome man can literally still be there at the end WITHOUT the unintentionally fucked-up baggage on the writers’s part.
I couldn’t stop thinking about how the guy who’s body he inhabited also had a life, had friends a job, maybe even a girlfriend of his own and none of this was brought up, no problems arose because of this??
Yeah, it’s an action film. When do those ever account for everything or make sense? It’s a period drama 🤣
At the end of the film, Its clear that Diana also didn’t tell the truth to that guy. Hmmm...I thought no true hero is born from lies.
Pretty clear the guy was gay also.
What if he had a cat or a fish tank? His poor house plants. It was the worst part of the movie next to the jet scene.
I haven't even seen the movie, but he could have also had, y'know, - a FAMILY ?? Spouse, kids, siblings, parents - people that were worried sick since he just disappeared?
The fact that Wonder Woman is able to get everyone to renounce their wishes is so, so dumb.
Something else I was going to mention but cut for time.
The fact that not one person in the world wished for the world to simply end is ridiculous too.
I'm pretty sure Batman's over ten by this point. Good luck for him wishing away Martha.
It's the equivalent of "...and then everyone clapped".
Yep, I saw bionic pigs review and he brought up a good point that maybe some people wished for food because they were too poor to buy some. Who would renounce that wish? Who would say, you know what, yeah, I would rather have my children starve to death!
It's funny how the main villain is the best character in the movie and everybody can see his motivation yet he's deemed evil
I'm at least glad that he wasn't downright evil like his comic counterpart, where Wonder Woman snaps his neck. This version was perfectly redeemable so at least there's that
Given what she does in the film Diana's an unintentional villain protagonist.
He had no direction or goal anymore. It makes no sense.
I kinda wish he was the main character and became a Loki-esqe trickster deity, the concept of a conman becoming an asshole genie has so much potential
He’s still evil
The people who try to rationalise away the male rape are the worst kind of humans, one party having power is not what makes it rape, a lack of consent is what defines it
True
same for that "black skinned cant be racist towards white skinned" crap. wtf
@@dadrising6464 people confuse it. Black ppl can't be SYSTEMATICALLY racist but racism in general then yes
@@thisisvoided
Bullshit. Look at South Africa and their treatment of whites after apartheid
@@bigboydancannon4325 white people stll had power over south america aka corporations etc.
Gal Gadot acts like a movie-long celebrity cameo. Like when u see a supermodel cameo in a TV show. Everyone knows who she is, so she doesn't have to act.
Oh finally someone said it
Finally I've been saying this since day one
I commented somewhere that Gal is not that good of an actress, so some fanboys attacked me and blamed for being jealous. Great that I am not the only one who thinks she can't act
We still don't know why they worship her, despite her being an Israeli Defense Forces veteran during 2014.
THANK YOU! She can NOT act!!! Ugh...
I wanna die every time someone says that women cannot abuse men. Like, I literally feel 3 months are taken from my lifespan whenever I have to read that argument.
As someone who was molested by my much older female cousins as a young elementary school boy, I can definitely agree. Of course as the weird kid that nobody liked and didn't get many girls, I didn't see anything wrong with at the time and even enjoyed the attention. But that doesn't make any less predatory or disgusting considering they were highschool teens and I wasn't even 10 years old yet. Not to mention they had a habit of constantly treating me like absolute shit simply because of the fact that I was weird and annoying.
@@EdwardNewgate58 Ugh, that sounds terrible, and I hope you are doing much better nowadays =sending good vibes your way=
@@Ukiby3000 Honestly I just try block it out of my mind and not think about it because aside from having no actual proof that this happened, and the fact that I enjoyed it. Not the mention with the whole stigma of "oh you should be glad those girls wanted you", which just makes me say to hell with. But then, this toxic trend of "women can't assault men" and "women can't be predators" just makes me think back to those days like "wait, was I a victim?".
@@EdwardNewgate58 the fact they said that to you even knowing it was your female cousin was disgusting...I'm sorry
@@EdwardNewgate58 Do you still have contact with them? did you tell anybody what happened?? how do they perceve their actions now???
They really should've referenced Greek Mythology and have Steve's new body be formed from clay instead of via possession.
It references Wonder Woman's origin, and would be pretty cool
That would have been really cool
That would have completely removed all the sinister implications of the sex scene. Why didn't someone who was part of the movie think of that?
But that would actually require more than 3 minutes of thinking.
It could still be formed from clay, maybe with his ghost possessing it. And when Diana renounces her wish, his new body stops living.
why can the stone create nukes and walls out of thin air but can't give Steve its own body will always puzzle me
THIS LMAO
@Bartolo Clemen Why are you speaking moon runes
It was that in the script so that's always above logic :)
@Bartolo Clemen except the moral ramifications of him taking over another man’s body are only mentioned in passing if at all, it’s mostly played for laughs and again, they rape this man with no consequence. So if him being in this man’s body is supposed to be considered a consequence, the movie sure doesn’t treat it like one
@Bartolo Clemen But the question is... why? We know what it did, but there's no logical reason for doing it.
Cynical: "Listen to this atrocious line delivery"
Video: *is muted*
Me: 👁👄👁
Oh good it wasn’t just me
Oh thank God someone else is having the problem not just me.
copyright
They haven't add subtitles yet to explain the copyright strike, TH-cam is more ruthless every day.
Don't you just love TH-cam essentially fucking fair use in its ass?
Because I feel like this is what happens here.
when the child actor playing the younger main character is a better actor then the adult one playing the same character, then something isn’t right
On top of that, wasn’t Lilly Aspell (8 year old Diana) pulled off the streets to audition, while Gal Gadot is a professional actress?
@@imnotactiveanymorelol8867 Lilly has a lot of raw talent.
@@cityman2312 I agree, she does! She can do better than this bs-
@@imnotactiveanymorelol8867 Gal Gadot is a model turned actress, so she's never had any formal acting training which explains her lack of range.
Because Gal Gadot is a model, not an actress. Being pretty doesn’t mean you’re automatically good at acting.
Fan fact: in this dceu Bruce Wayne was born in 1972 and his parents died when he was 8 (approximately). So Bruce probably wished that to see his parents again(come back to life), then Diana convinced him to reverse his wish! Just like she convinced everybody else!🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
Oh god....
So in this universe Bruce's parents might have died twice with Joe Chill killing them the first time and Diana doing it the second time by undoing Bruce's wish? Good for her he never found that out in BVS then or else it'd be her he went after instead of Superman. And since her mother's name is Hippolyta there'd be no saying Martha to save her.
@@Xehanort10 your comment made me chuckle a bit, lol
Damn, imagine a young twelve year old having to lose his parents a second time
I thought for sure they'd show this seeing as they were playing Batman's BvS music.
Disliking this movie because of how undeniably bad it was doesn’t make anyone sexist. I think everyone can agree that we’d love to see a badass-not bad-Wonder Woman movie, but this unfortunately did not do it.
Watkins is all about that though, it's just her M.O. Just like Elizabeth Banks trying to make the same argument about her Charlie's Angels. Some "feminists" (quotations, because that's not feminism, it's women superiority) just want to make EVERYTHING about sex/gender to pick a fight, even when it's not.
RIGHT!
GIVE ME THE WARRIOR IN JUSTICE LEAHE WAR ANIMATION MOVIE
To the PC brigade disliking a film that happens to star a woman for reasons that have nothing to with it starring a woman is automatically sexism. People hate it because the DCEU Wonder Woman rather than being the badass she is in the comics and DCAU was in her solo film a naive idiot who thought Ares was causing WW1 and that killing the general she thought was Ares in a human form would automatically stop it and abandoned the world after killing the real Ares. And in this she obsesses over the long dead Steve Trevor, brings him back as a ghost who possesses a random man's body and has sex with Steve using said man's body. The guy's body had not only been stolen by a ghost but was being raped by a strange woman as well. Then when Steve brings it up after Diana says she doesn't care and just wants him. Then she drags Steve and the man into situations that could kill both of them as well.
We have the first Wonder Woman movie for that
This film was so bad I literally left the theater, got in my car, and I was about to drive away before I realized I was sitting at home
This is good, this is gold 😂
😂😂😂😂😂
Shit dude I left the room and let my family finish it.
I have no legs but I walked out
@@alecpowers8591 so you possessed someone's legs and used them.
I thought this movie was incredibly bleak. The message is basically “don’t dream, just accept reality”.
Well actually the message is "don't cheat your way in life by taking shortcuts" but it was handled poorly
It's almost like the Dream Stone is horribly horribly poorly set up or something
@Rico Santiago who in the world taught you that cheating is right? In any form?
In response to "Woman can't assault men because of the power dynamics": are they saying that the man unconscious in a magical coma had more power in the relationship than Diana the goddess?
17:08: That 1 comment shows everything wrong with current Society:
A Social Bubble so absolute that people think such Nonsense.
I bet somewhere is a Boy so spoiled and hidden-away in a Big Mansion
that he doesnt KNOW that Woman are actually a Thing.
Literally.
Yes. Yes they are.
Demi-goddess but yes.
"Renounce your wishes"
Kid who just cured themselves of cancer: "Wow. Fuck me, I guess."
or someone wishing to end hunger and or war too
Or Bruce Wayne who just wished his parents back alive.
Thinking about that as a trans dude, it really blows.
@@nurkahnert1954 I would have totally wished for the world to end instead, how would she reverse shit if everyone and everything is dead? EOEOEOOEOEOEOEO!
Unmake A Wish
I couldn't get over 'Steve' in another body and her not caring.
It reminded me of Chucky from the Child's Play films trying to transfer his soul into other people's bodies. But Chucky's an evil serial killer both as a human and a possessed doll while Diana and Steve were supposed to be good heroic people even though they weren't.
@Vulvasaurus Lix An apt time for a Freejack reference, Emilio!
the "well shit diana" manages to be so funny that I almost forgive 5% of the sins this movie commits. The one good line in the entire movie.
What about “Life is good...But it can be better!”?
chris pine is pretty great
Make it a meme.
My question is how the HELL was cheetah ever able to rival Diana in a fight when Diana has been training to be a perfect warrior her whole life? The first movie literally said she was a better fighter than every other amazon. This movie solidified that by having Diana at, like, 9 rivaling grown women in a skill based competition. And youre telling me she got her ass kicked by someone with no fighting ability AND who has had their powers for less than a week? Even if Diana didnt have her abilities, her fighting style in that scene is laugable. And youre telling me she needed fancy indestructable armor, which was destroyed in the first 5 minutes, to have the fighting skill she has literally spent her whole life training for?
Oh since you mentioned it, remember when Diana was training openly in her teens in the first one? The reason she trained like that was cuz her mom forbidden her at age 8 or 9, there was no indication if a BIG stadium of a competition training and now at age 8 or 9, Diana is openly training?
Hate this movie more now?
Because she was an apex predator, duh.
@@ninjanibba4259 yikes , I didn’t even realize that. The writers forgot the first and better movie ig lmao.
I like how you just accept a magical cheetah human hybrid but not that it's skilled enough in combat. 😂
@@DanceySteveYNWA I'm on the same page. I hate when character skill and experience is ignored.
That "Imagine" shit was like a fucking Black Mirror episode. I actually still find it difficult to process how out of touch it was, to the extent I half wondered if it was meta-irony too advanced for me to grasp. It's like them singing "Dancing On The Ceiling" to a hospital full of landmine victims.
Or Walking on Sunshine to someone who just got cheated on
Is it bad I laughed?😂
@@autumnrose9655 Hell no
Reminds me of that cartoon where a bunch of blind orphans are singing "I can see clearly now the rain is gone" at the end of the film
@@ammagon4519 lmao that movie was called “Igor” I remember that too
That "imagine" video was the cringiest thing. I hate it so much.
Same! It was pretentious and smug. It is literally cringe inducing.
We need to stop rewarding their bad behaviour by attending virtue signalling movies, especially when the lead gets paid 10 million dollars.
This song is so abused for virtue signaling like "bella ciao" that I'm hating it
The entire celebrity community was cringe during the quarantine. Watching them complain about being bored in mansions while millions are in tiny apartments alone and broke
At least Eric Andre brought me comfort with Slob on my Knob
"Hating this movie is just you hating women" has the same energy as "if you hate Margaret Thatcher you're a sexist bigot."
Maybe they just suck.
No, hating Ms. Thatcher would make you a leftist douche.
As opposed to "if you hate Margaret Thatcher, your family suffered in the 80s"
@@pretorious700 Fuck, Thatcher. I'll gladly be called a leftist douche.
@@pretorious700 Margaret Thatcher was actually very progressive, her grave is a gender-neutral bathroom
It's like people who don't like Black Panther for reasons that have nothing to do with its black cast being accused of being racists who only hate it because of that.
Oh no!! Consent!!! Wonder Woman's true weakness!
I know, I can't believe that they turned Wonder Woman into a rapist, of all things!
@@trinaq Injustice Wonder Woman I could see doing that since that version of her's a villain and used Lois being killed by Joker to manipulate Regime Superman into being more ruthless and planned to make him fall in love with her. But not what's supposed to be the main film universe's Diana.
@@Xehanort10 Frank Miller's Wonder Woman WOULD straight up use Krypyonite to weaken Superman and r*pe him.
@@mqfii8992 What is it with certain people shipping Wonder Woman and Superman? Is their logic "They both have powers so they'd make a great couple." Bit shallow because it takes more than characters having powers for them to be a good couple.
@@Xehanort10 Linkara said it perfectly In one of his videos.
"It's the world's strongest man with the world's strongest woman".
It seems perfect on a surface level, but when it comes deeper, it doesn't necessarily work.
The only versions that made it work was Kingdom Come (pretty good too) and New 52 (somewhat).
Honestly, realizing that Diana technically slept with a man who didn’t consent to it really made me upset. There was no reason for that to exist in the story line. If they just said Steve was just magically back in a new version of his body, i would believe it. Men can suffer from sexual assault to and sexual assault deserves to be taken seriously, no matter who it is. I was really disappointed in this movie especially after we got movies like the first Wonder Woman movie and birds of prey, both of which are films I still enjoy. There was just a deep plunge of quality in writing, not to mention the ignorant depictions of people from other countries and we literally barely saw Barbara as cheetah (because of lighting) and the armor was used for like 5 minutes. Pedro Pascal and the Amazonians scenes high key carried this movie.
the cowardly lion wore it better
*Apply cold water to burned area*
I hated the blonde girl sooooo much - she was annoying
And that was 10 pounds of real skin too🤣🤣
Man, this video really got butchered by the copyright bots, huh?
Yep
Oh.. So that's the reason for those missing audio from time to time.
i checked if my earphone was suddenly broken lol
I thought my phone had a problem
"You're hating on women because you are making valid critiques of a movie that has a timeless, iconic woman superhero, who for some reason needs a love interest for both of her solo movies, desperately so because they literally brought Chris Pines' character back from the dead via possession, instead of just focusing on her and her enemies as a whole." Yeah, with this, how will feminism ever prevail? 🙄 Those people are part of the problem.
Well, the writer was the same woman who tried to make Aileen Wuornos a sympathetic anti-hero. She was a cold-blooded serial killer. Yes, she had a tragic life, but plenty of men and women live through assault and terrible childhoods/adulthoods and don't go trawling for people to murder. She tried to make excuses for her behaviour and use that as "women empowerment" too. Monster might have good filming, but the writing is disgusting. Most sane people agree that swooning and making excuses for people like Ramirez and Bundy is disgusting and not ok, but because Wuornos was a woman it's suddenly ok? No. Just, no.
Whenever I see sexists of either gender I just can't help but think of the song "Why can't we be friends" because that's genuinely the one of the only ways these things are gonna be lessened. Obviously the bad ones are gonna need educating or punishing for harmful speech or actions, but so much of it is just because so many people can't just fucking get along! Can't fucking agree that maybe both genders are just fucking people! We don't need to be putting either one on a pedestal and use it in marketing or defence of shit.
@@antonymilne1346 true
Are love-interests really part of the problem? Male heros have them.
@@Amarianee also Aileen was arrested for death threats, putting a gun into a man's mouth she sexually assaulted when she was in her 20s shooting at a family including their kids , beating her ex boyfriends and girlfriends with guns , bats and even beer bottles long before her murder spree years later
She was not a victim in anyway she was a piece of shit long before she murdered them innocent men
And no one talks about that movie anymore because everyone got called out for that bs ... Charlize Theron admitted she shouldn't of played her so heroic years later
Everyone's wishes appear out of thin air but Steve has to take over a body?
idiots who defend the idiocy of all that- urr well you see the wish has to have a downside, so when she made that wish the cost was the stealing of another mans body to show the struggle diana must face
everyone with a brain- ok no shes getting her powers drained is the cost of said wish, so why does diana have two costs when everyone else has one, and hell why doesnt she even acknowlege it expect for a couple of seconds then forgotten, and we (as you said) things can be created out of nothing
idiots- urr well your just a sexist asshole
usally how these tend to go
And takes pretty long to appear as well... was the wish loading? And it didn't even need to form the body after loading.
It’s so strange that they decided to not just make Steve manifest himself in full. It contributes literal zero to the plot that he’s puppeteering a body like it’s Weekend at Bernie’s. I know the argument is “but people would recognize him because he was a war hero”, but like... how many random WWI heroes could the average person recognize?
@@spooplegeist5260 also the body he temporary stole had a passport and a Visa right?
They literally didn't needed to steal the plane.
And diana also was one of wwl's heroes if diana isn't recognized by the public she saves daily, why would someone looking like a dead guy call so much attention?
@@spooplegeist5260 besides, who would ever consider the idea that a WWI veteran came back to life?
Like people would just go “wow, you really look like that pilot from WWI, how cool, are you a nephew maybe?”
The most egregious part of this movie was that it expected me to believe that normal computers all over the world in 1984 had the capability to display a fully colored, high-resolution, live stream of Pedro Pascal.
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He is too amazing.
My mom found this review in a Serbian newspaper about this movie and it said "Guardians of the Galaxy did the 80s better then WW84"
To be fair, it wasn't wrong lol
True
@@Amarianee right lol So did Thor Ragnarok
Barbara as Cheetah looks like she got lost, and was actually supposed to be in the movie cats
Lol I'd rather see a full movie with multiple Cheetahs (DC) and multiple Sonics before he was redesigned, than sit through 2 SECONDS of Cats.
@@Marvelfanatic3658 lol 😂
@@michellevieiracordeiro no joke when the Cats trailer released I had nightmares for about 2-3 days. 😆
@@Marvelfanatic3658 me too
Gellical, gellical, gellical, gellical
Cynical: Gal Gadot still cannot act, and is responsible for some atrocious line delivery
Gal Gadot: 🗣️🔇
Almost definitely got copyright struck and he had to mute it.
I thought something was wrong with my headphones for a minute there lol.
Like i said, she isnt as bad all thw time and im other dc moviesz movie was such a mess that even her was worst
@@LilyApus I will never understand why fair use is a law that youtube cant follow
@@leonardoteles9236 should i call an ambulance i think youre having a stroke
The “Well shit, Diana” line is not only the best line in the movie but it also sums up everything that transpires in this mess of a feature production.
17:08: That 1 comment shows everything wrong with current Society:
A Social Bubble so absolute that people think such Nonsense.
I bet somewhere is a Boy so spoiled and hidden-away in a Big Mansion
that he doesnt KNOW that Woman are actually a Thing.
Literally.
The video hasn't even been aired yet and there's already a dislike... I bet we got a sneak visit from the director XD
Or a third wave feminist that thinks anyone who dares criticize the movie hates women.
Was probably a Mozart fan.
Surprisingly enough, for once the director did not blame anyone
@@HaplessOne or, hear me out, one of the many immature people who think they’re quirky by leaving a dislike on every video they watch, you smooth brain. Not every tiny issue in the world is feminists, little boy. Why would feminists even like the movie with the dated and overused “‘nerdy’ girl becomes gawk-worthy after taking off her glasses and putting on some make up” trope and the EXTREMELY questionable scenario regarding Diane’s boyfriend being in another man’s body?
@@Penguinmanereikel Who can say? there's no way to know, so this discussion is pointless beyond just goofing off of people who dislike for seemingly no reason. No reason to take seriously
Wonder Woman 1984 was so bad that it made us forget the last 1983 Wonder Woman movies existed
"A hundred years ago, Wonder Woman 2 through 1983 walked away from mankind. Man made a world where 1,982 movies standing together is impossible."
No one:
Chris Pine: ᴵ'ˡˡ ᵃˡʷᵃʸˢ ˡᵒᵛᵉ ʸᵒᵘ ᴰᶦᵃⁿᵃ
No one: the wish of bringing him back wasn't the real he, he's just a ilusion of her memory, remember the leg of the monkey 😉
@@c....d8288 you mean paw? I mean it apparently was real though and she's the only one with a weird one.
If it's an illusion how does he interact with the actual story and real world? He fires an RPG and stops a car before hitting kids at one point lol.
I mean those nukes were real and her monkey paw effect was her powers being taken taken when she never knew she was actually making a wish meaning that evil God might just be able to steal people's power in a broken way
This is a Far Cry 5 level of surround sound awareness
That was so cringey....then as she is walking away "i love you too!". Super cringe
The "sex was eradicated from that reality" argument is such a crockpot of shit. It doesn't change the fact that Diana willingly took part in it and was still the same Diana after things changed back. The lengths these people go to are genuinely insane
Holy fuck what? I need to watch videos before reading comments omg
@@vizthex uhh you really do....
So she conveniently unrape's a man... which somehow invalidates her raping in the first place...
Bruh???
"i want to be an apex predator"
-turns into Harvey Weinstein
Underrated comment hahahahah
-turns into kevin spacey
Well that turned dark quickly, and hilariously.
Zing!
@@Josh_728it is also antisemantic.
¨I wished that there was a cure for cancer so it could not only help me, but also future victims of the disease, but whatever I guess I have to renounce my wish.¨
Writing a good movie? No. Writing a “romance movie” that is comprised of a man not giving consent and only saved the actual plot till the last 5 minutes of the movie? Yes.
I cant believe they went such a cliche route with cheetah. The down on the luck desk jockey who's nerdy and admired the hero who also becomes the villain. Yeah because Incredibles and The Amazing Spiderman didnt already do that already
The cheetah design is one of the things that dissapointed me the most. DC's original design in the comics looks awesome.
@@rmnffx superman 3 as well
And also why is her turning evil by beating up a man who tried to assault her a bad thing? The movie is trying to make us believe that that’s a bad thing, but that doesn’t make any sense.
I am not defending this movie, I dont consider overplayed trope/storyarcs as inherently bad. Execution matters most and they executed this terribly
Yeah she's Max Dillon mixed with Dr Curt Connors.
Pedro Pascal was the best part of this movie, and it's entirely because he clearly gave no shits and was hamming it up to hell and back.
For real. The ending scene where he had a heartfelt talk with his son actually made me tear up a little.
bro every time he plays an adoptive single father with issues he carries the entire production on his back
@@Missjunebugfreak well it's comic accurate also to the character
Diana: “Even though I come from an island of women, I’m going to spend the next 70 years pining for the one man I happened to encounter and knew for like a week.”
THIS
I imagine bein a trans woman during those time periods makes it pretty hard to find a man. Maybe that can account for it?
Maybe their logic was that, after living in an island with no men, she was so romantically and sexually repressed that the moment she liked a guy she thought it was the love of her live and got obsessed with him.
It’s bad but at least it’s something.
To be fair, it was the first man she ever loved. When teenagers get their first girlfriend or boyfriend, they're super into them and a lot of their lives revolve around them at that time, and if they break up, they get super depressed. 60 years is a long time to spend depressed about it, but for someone who has lived centuries, 60 years isn't all that much.
1984 - 1918 = 66
66 years!
:)
My cousin has basically started being distant and pissy with me ever since I said I didn’t like this movie because she believes it means you hate women.
Tell her that hating a film starring a woman for reasons that have nothing to do with that isn't sexism. Some filmmakers just use the fact that a badly written and acted character happens to be black, gay, a woman, trans, disabled and the like to accuse you of prejudice for not liking them for reasons unrelated to those things. This film sucks because the plot's right out of a bad fanfiction, the characters are boring, a character who's supposed to be a hero is turned into a horny lunatic obsessed with a long dead man and also a rapist, the only sympathetic characters are Maxwell Lord and the guy whose body is stolen by Steve Trevor and raped by Diana and people are expected to give up their wishes just because she said so.
Ah, she's one of those. The trash takes out itself!
@@SubsWithnoDadChallenge Unfortunately she will most likely reproduce.
How old is your cousin and did you actually try and have a discussion with her? Maybe you can explain your views and let her know that is not the case.
The movie is so boring the story doesn't make sense that should be enough
We not going to discuss how Diana saves Minerva from the drunk guy trying to assault her, then is like "ok bye!" and leaves her all alone...?
"I can't even cover every aspect of how awful it is, because this review would then be longer than the movie itself."
MauLer: (raises eyebrow)
I was going to add in a comment about how it doesn't make sense that reviews can't be longer than the movie itself, but cut it for time.
@@CynicalReviews you hurt my brain a little with that comment
@@CynicalReviews It's ok. Your style is a bit more short and sweet. I Still watch Mauler though
We're in a world where reviews are longer and more entertaining than movies...
@@7emidio Isn't MauLer trash, though? And I'm not joking. What degree of inane internet chuddery do you need to be to make a "review" of a movie 5 times longer than the original movie itself?
the way they handled the whole "feminism" thing was truly disheartening. As you pointed out, the fact that all the men in the movie are either evil or useless, isn't great, and the fact that she is still caught up about this dude after like 60 years, is so ridiculous that my little sister could point it out. Empowering women and little girls is an important thing, but you just make it worse when you show the "strong female protagonist" as basically dependant on this one dude who died over fifty years ago to be happy. like what the fuck?
Edit:
I'd also like to add that they litteraly used this random dudes body without his consent and the movie played it off as nothing.
Akshually...
The one element I find believable..is an ageless woman from a secret civilization of women being obsessed with The First Man. He would fulfill many roles beside lover. Father. Also, Adam and Eve rebels against her "Garden of Eden" Tempter (Satan) and since he's mortal, child. I think if I was made from clay and lived for centuries on an island of just men...the first flesh and blood woman I ever saw...was kind to me, that I saved...well I would be stuck. Hes mortal, but in a way, he's her "God"
She's a strong female protagonist, but also essentially an alien.
@@thereisnosanctuary6184 huh. I dunno about that one. I guess I can kinda understand that idea, but I think that reaction is just you. And the whole idea of him being her "God" as you put it, is kinda stupid in my opinion. I mean, it's kinda weird when you think about it, you're basically just saying "I'm going to worship this man because he is alive" Which is pretty weird considering that she was surrounded by other normal men who were torturing and killing people for essentially no reason in the first movie.
I feel like there weren't any feminist themes. Did I miss something?All the women relied on getting their power from men(Max and Steve). They copied old 80s movie tropes: clumsy nerd turns hot, men being pervy,the dad that works too much to pay attention to his family,the one perfectly pure and powerful chick (Diana).
@@moxiemaxie3543 yeah i know. I'm more or less talking about the way they branded and advertised it as a feminist movie, when it's clearly not. They kinda showed it off as one and ended up relying on old tropes to tell a story. It was a little disappointing.
Why is she so hung up on Steve, she knew him for 2 days 70 years ago 😭🤚
Becoz he is the first man in last 5000 years.hahaha..
Cuz he is made her howl like a banshee
Lmao facts
@@incase3007 The worst part is that it's **Wonder Woman** being hung up over a guy. Like, I am sure she mourns him because she lost him so suddenly, but there is no way she would be hung up to that extent. The comic version of her would never lower herself like that for a guy, or anyone really.
Her arc should have been her dealing with loneliness, never being able to go to Themyscira and see her mother, dealing with the worst of humanity's behaviour during the 20th century, maybe PTSD from WW1 and 2, and watching all her WW1 friends grow old and die. There were a bunch of other reasons outside of Steve that would be less jarring to watch her grow from. Like her learning that even tho she'll lose people, it's worse to never live at all. It does NOT need to be rooted in a romantic relationship.
If we want equality,women heroes should be allowed to be as mopey and crying as male heroes when thier "favorite human"s die.
This is the only thing I can defend,her character was completly sabotaged.
A few story-related things I thought of when watching:
In the Olympics scene at the beginning, Diana, a child, outperforms the adults around her. This does make a bit of sense, as being the daughter of Zeus does give her some extra powers, but it doesn't make sense why she was competing in the first place. In the first film, her mother was completely against having her train in the first place, but she is allowed to compete in the Olympics for some reason.
If you want to set up the theme of "no shortcuts", try going about it in a more personal way that doesn't sacrifice internal logic.
The stone is a really bad Monkey's Paw. The Monkey's Paw is supposed to give understandable and foreseeable ramifications for a person's wish(i.e. a wish for cash ends up getting delivered in the form of a cash settlement following a loved one's tragic accident). It seems like, in order to actually make the wish come true, certain variables have to be moved into place. Not always in a good way.
Diana wishes for her BF back, but he's possessing someone else. That makes very little sense as a consequence because nobody would presume that and it is not a very understandable consequence. That's more like something I would expect from a Djinn than a Monkey's Paw. It's almost like something is actively messing with the person asking for the wish.
Easy fix: Steve returns in his own body, but with all of the memory from the 60-ish years he spent stuck in the afterlife. Put plainly, he's been dead longer than he's been alive and isn't fully human anymore. The person who taught Diana how to be human in the first place is no longer human himself. This way, there's room for a bit of knife twisting where Diana realizes that there is a consequence to messing with life and death like that, and it would feel more like a Greek tragedy.
Also, it eliminates the r***
Cheetah could have a much better execution too. Instead of having a few scenes where she's suddenly "evil"(beating up that guy was justified), have her recognize Diana as Wonder Woman(since Diana's not really trying to hide it around her) and offer to help. As her powers start to develop, she starts exhibiting more traits in common with predator animals, becoming more angry, viscious and ruthless. Also, cats are usually depicted as strong, agile, elegant, and proud creatures. Have Cheetah exhibit some of those traits as she fights, relying on agility and acrobatics along with her strength. Then, near the end, have her pride come to a head where she thinks she's better than Diana. Have her hubris get in the way of the mission and let her and Diana fight it out. In the end, she starts to transform as a nod to old Greek transformation myths where mortals would be transformed into an animal that best matched their particular traits, occasionally as a punishment. (Lycaon, Arachne, Alectryon, etc.) This wouldn't necessarily be the wish stone's fault, but more of an incident of divine wrath.
The invisible plane was dumb and kinda breaks the story since Diana can just turn stuff invisible at will now. Kinda makes her the ultimate stealth fighter, so why not use that or get rid of the power from the screenplay?
Djinn Djarin (Max) is mostly fine as a character, but he's supposed to be this cunning businessman type and that really doesn't come across. One way to fix this would be with the oil deal that went bad. Instead of the "oh well...I'll just take this then" approach, have him offer the security officers a deal for whatever they wanted(healing loved ones, wooing the love of their life, etc.) As a show of good faith. The deal isn't just for the main guy, but to everyone he works for. He could then manipulate them into following him. Once the deal goes sour he just shrugs and goes "Oh well...Deal is still on for anyone willing to follow me." This way it feels like he had the backup plan all along and that it was entirely the security team's choice to follow him.
Tie Djinn Djarin's son into his motivation more. Why is he doing all of this? Because he wants to give his son everything he never had as a kid. He's a father who wants to give his son the world, but slowly gets wrapped into this long and complicated scheme that ultimately distances him from his goal more than advances him toward it. What he thought was a shortcut ended up being a dead end.
The lasso of truth is the biggest asspull of the film because it's basically the fix all tool. The only thing it can't do is burn a hole through walls. Instead of having all of these dumb spectacle shots, just leave it as is.
Bird armor was alright even if I really don't understand why she had that just lying around.
The whole broadcast thing made no sense and was only there to have a grand finale. Instead of all of that, they could have just had all of the wishes slowly decay Djinn Djarin to a point of near death(a plot point that was brought up earlier and then brushed aside) and have Diana convince him that his only salvation is to go to everyone and have them undo their wishes. It's something that will take a long time, a lot of money, and won't be easy, but there are no shortcuts. If he wants to survive and see his son grow up and just be there as a father should be (something near to him as he mostly started doing this so he can give his son the most fulfilling life possible) he'll have to do that. At which point she could even make the first step and undo her wish to see Steve again, healing him enough to start his quest for penance. It's subdued, sure. But not every Superhero film needs to end in some grand stakes fight for the fate of humanity. Something more quiet and poignant would be good, considering we missed out on that in the first film.
Those are most of the big ones for me. More themes of Greek tragedy, understandable risks and character moves, and more emotional knife twisting. I watch movies to feel stuff, for God's sake.
This would've been a much better movie.
Fully agree
Pedro parcel has just become the mandolorian there's no escape for him.
Also yeah, this all makes more sense. I really like the part about Steve not being human anymore, like a Greek tragedy
I like this a lot more
@@littlemsterious991 I actually love Pedro Pascal. He was great in Game of Thrones and Kingsman and I do look forward to seeing him in other stuff(provided he actually has a good script to work off of). I mostly just referenced his role in The Mandalorian because I saw the opportunity to make a pun.
Also, how is taking a shortcut lying? Baby Diana was punished for finding a way to win against adult amazons!
The whole scene is utterly unnecessary and honestly insulting to the audience
It's like they're punishing her for having character
Bpmnl b bbhh
. But two weeks games and maybe I'll actually get to finish the Mandalorian I'm standing with. There's sort of a balance between did you want you moving music that makes you feel better but they don't want you tripping but super glue Vegas so after that pretty much so at least you won't be stuck in bed well you are actually laid out bubble gum about a boy who is Randy should only need to be off my feet for 24 hours how to be like according to what it was
E.g. qq
@@KougajiCalling random = funny
@@KougajiCalling You... okay?
Jlongbone actually made an interesting defense of Diana still mourning for Trevor. She is if not immortal than extremely long lived. So 60ish years is a drop in the bucket for her. It seems ridiculous for us because we can’t afford to mourn and pine over one person for that long. It probably wasn’t a good idea to have in the movie since most people aren’t going to see it that way at first glance.
It's a difficult assessment to make, since we have no real example to derive Diana's behaviour from. Would an immortal amazon who has lived for thousands of years even dare to get this attached to someobdy, or shut herself away because she went through the loss of loved ones before? Maybe she never was so close to someone before, and the lack of distance makes the shock so hard to recover from.
Without a long history of what she did over the course of her existence, it's really up to writer's interpretation how she handles emotional trauma. And here, she handled it poorly.
That issue personally never bothered me, but then again, me and some good friends play a Tabletop RPG where immortality is that rare a thing, and both us and the lore of the system we use deal with how being immortal amongst mortals messes with a person's emotional wellbeing.
Yeah but he was the literally the first man she ever met and they knew each other for all over 3 months. She still mourned him for 240x how long she knew him.
My exboyfriend died in 2017. We dated/lived together for 3 years, were broken up for a year due to his drug use. I still occasionally cry and miss him, but I swear if I was still grieving and refusing to love anyone else, he would probably come back from the dead just to tell me off for being ridiculous. A man who loves a woman would want her to find happiness.
Love is a weird thing always has been
The golden armour that was in every trailer, every movie poster:
"Oh it's something wrapped up in my study I found"
"Yeah, I've flown in and it got punched, finished with it now"
WOW
It had one purpose and one purpose only: to sell more toys
You know its bad if Hanz Zimmer's phoning it in
The Sketches from the Soundtrack are arguably better than the actual Soundtrack because at least there are 80's influences in the tracks. _'84, Barbara Minerva_ and _Citrine_ in particular are really really 80's.
Really? This is his best score in at least a decade. He's finally composing music again instead of doing sound design.
@@CloudyMemory 😂😂😂WHAT?! WHEN DID Man of Steel and The Amazing Spiderman 2 come out????? I don't care about your pov on the movies those scores WRECK this movies score. Even the original WW movie score beats this one.
@@CloudyMemory They literally re-used a track from BvS (A Beautiful Lie).
@@sniperflashgaming3868 Not a fan of Man of Steel or Spiderman 2, they're both obnoxiously loud, simplistic and devoid of any subtlety. Zimmer's last good score was probably Angels & Demons.
My personal favorite plot hole is the bulletproof dinner tray in the fight scene in the white house. Or the fact that not a single person in the entire world didn't renounce their wish
Hahaha I laughed at that too, it goes so quick many people may not have time to process it.
Also don't forget the magic TV satellites which make it possible for everyone on earth to watch a madman granting wishes....
That implies that everyone in the world wished for selfish things that they’d also be willing to give up.
This movie feels so first draft. A lot of the movies minor problems would go away if they double checked the script again. But the movie will still have its major problems like Gal Gadot's acting.
The problems run deeper than the script, but for me that's the main source of the issues.
@@CynicalReviews yeah I see what you mean.
@@CynicalReviews The airplane scene was so stupid. I figured that in the 70 years that she has been around in the modern world she would have saved enough money to buy her own jet but they went with the stupid route and made her steal one instead with her face on camera. They had a more logical explanation available.
A bad actor can become good, or better, with a passionate director. Jenkins was clarly NOT passionate about this piece of shit they called "movie".
Did anybody proofread this? Actually, scratch that... did anybody -proof- *read* this??
I was waiting for her to break into "Imagine" song.
I tried to delete that from my memory. Thanks for reminding me. Kill me now.
People be shitting on John Lennon but tha song still slaps
@@jlinus7251 imagine all the people.. 😔😔
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
I’ll buy a copy of Captain Marvel 2 to see if Captain Marvel tells other women to drop the taco.
Diana: i forgot to tell you. Radar. I can't explain now but they'll see us.
Me: She can't explain because the person writing her dialogue doesn't even know how radar works.
Wish Stone: power to grant any wish
Also Wish Stone: Can't bring Steve fully back to life and has him live in another dude's body
also wish stone: can create full-on nuclear warheads
Also wish stone: Creates the fcking wall like in Game of thrones but with stone
Oh I wish you had nitpicked every single scene
That was my original intention, but I just didn't have the patience.
@@CynicalReviews hopefully the Long Man will. Lol @MauLer
Ikr
@@LoganAlbertsChannel Mauler said he wouldn't, and wished good luck to anyone who tried.
@Meta Man Star wars Has more Bad movies: Star wars 8 and 9.
And especially 8 is so Bad that it's regarded as the worst AAA movie Off the Last 10 years.
When I watched this, I never understood why they snatched young Diana away from the competition. Like, I get by their eyes she cheated, but I thought it would have been a better lesson to show that while she tried to adapt and continue the competition despite losing her horse, she missed a target and the competition rejected her victory. Like, have her throw the spear and it bounce off a force field because “magic”. Have her experience the failure rather than being forcefully taken out of the competition, because I didn’t feel like she truly understood why she was disqualified.
Gal Gadot's acting is utterly laughable. But people will keep making excuses for her simply because she's good looking.
Lol exactly
She’s literally the definition of pretty privilege
I mean, there are some scnes that he does a good job, but most of thw scenes he is bad as hell, i think this movie was such a mess that evwn hwe didnt looked good, look at his other movies, she does a bettwr job, not saying he in awesome actress, but she fits the role in my view
Not looking forward to see how she destroys Cleopatra.
I mean...anyone could do a decent job at acting *some* of the time, I think we forget these people are just people, and you could probably pull any woman off the street and get a semi-believable actress. We pay and admire these people for being able to do it *all* the time...like that’s their one skill and she can’t do it, so she can’t act. She’s just stereotypically attractive.
You know, I'm surprised how many reviewers of this movie completely overlook or don't comment on the fact that WW84 co-opted/flat out stole Hawk Girl's armor set for WW to use. That armor Diana wears during the big climax... you know, the one with metal/golden wings and a hawk-crested helmet... that's Hawk Man/Girl's armor. If DC planned on bringing either of those characters into the DCEU, they completely neutered any kind of awe-inspiring introduction because not only have we seen it in WW84, but the reveal of said armor was incredibly lackluster in nature. Just another thing DC has royally screwed up with their live-action films.
The armor should've been silver, so it would be a nod to the Silver Swan, a wonder woman villain, instead of confusing it with Hawk Girl
Nobody going to talk about how a decommissioned fighter jet just happened to have enough fuel for a trans Atlantic flight to Cairo? And the fact they pretty much had to jump out midair because they can't land a UFO in an airport?
17:08: That 1 comment shows everything wrong with current Society:
A Social Bubble so absolute that people think such Nonsense.
Barbara wants to be an "Apex Predator"? So, she becomes a humanoid cheetah, an animal that is bullied by pretty much every other predator in the African Savanna?? Ok. 👌
Edit: Damn, over 1k likes?? And now one from the great Rian Doggo himself. I guess that's a personal achievement for me. Thanks guys/girls. 👍
Yeah cheetahs are kind of a one trick pony. Oh, you can sprint super duper fast for five seconds? Great! Now get bodied by everything else in the African servers.
@@r.j.penfold wait 5 seconds? Thats it? Os it can run stupid fast for only 5 seconds? Bruh.
@@Floridamangaming729 Yeah, there's a certain time limit they can sprint in lest they overheat to death so
@@r.j.penfold Ah yes, the "Apex Predator." Capable of running extremely fast, maybe being able to take down a single gazelle using all of its energy, then having to leave because some lions or hyenas showed up and not only are they in a group, they could probably still kill you one on one.
@@Floridamangaming729 idk if it's 5 seconds exactly but it's a shockingly short time.
"it's a comic book movie" is on par with "it's a kids movie" as being piss poor excuses as to why something is shit.
Exactly!
I'm willing to accept that for tonal stuff and maybe some lite plot but at this scale its indefensible
But..it IS a comic book movie. And magic is in the whole plot. Expecting realism in a comic book movie makes no sense. And expecting realism in magic based fantasies make no sense. In this movie, they both meet.
Magic lasso that tells truth. I wasnt a huge wonder woman comic reader, but a few guys told me in comics she was I dead able to grab lighting. Possibly ao.ethinf to do with her forged by God's or some shit.
You have no problem with her being a kick ass, magic lasso carrying woman, who somehow still have time to work a fully professional job in a museum..but you have a problem with her being prepared..as any hero should be...and when an emergency came up, she knew of a fully fueled plane? You cant just put together that shes a hero who works in a museum ap she probably has that place rigged upfoe her convenience? That's too much of a stretch?
Magic rock can make things appear out of nowhere and make other things disappear...but it's crazy unbelievable that it is capable of switching planes of existence in the body steve is in? Like, the guy just poofed away. As far as I understood it. As if steve was born and grew in that body. He wasnt occupying the body as a ghost does in a possession. He fully owned that body as if he grew with it from birth.
Doesnt make sense? Neither does nukes that no one built coming out of nowhere...its magic.
Every complaint about this movie seems to be based on a person expecting it to relate to OUR real life universe instead of accepting it's not our universe. It's a parallel universe where magic exists and superheros are around.
@@agonleed3841 When did "realism" come into the picture? I'm pretty sure we were talking about people being lazy with entertainment and using excuses like "it's a kids film" or "it's a comic book movie" to justify their laziness.
Any time lazy filmmakers get called out for their laziness they say "It's a "insert genre of film here" movie." It'd be like someone saying a comedy film with bad jokes that was shit is good because "It's a comedy movie" even though comedies are supposed to be funny..
4:50 when she said "____________" I felt that
The scene where Diana leaves Trevor genuinely made me laugh, it’s so stupid and hilarious. Pedro Pascal is the best and most sympathetic character in the movie.
"I'll always love you Diana" 🤣🤣🤣
I like the scene... i think it was a natural way to leave it without having it to face for more time, the movie was a mess but you have to make think original and more natural, she doesnt want to lose him so what its the better way to accepet it, without seeing him turning back to the person of the body, and losing all the fantasy she had about him? By walking away and seen that she regret the wish makes real sense because it isnt a hard choice, but the movie did it bad when it comes to show the love between both more and etc, also he did left pretty early in the movie, like he wa skust a sidekick and supporting carachter, it ahould have had more emotional depth betqeen botj
Another that is hilariously stupid is the "I hate guns" thing. What the heck are most folks supposed to use? Bows and arrows?
Is it odd that I didn’t recognize that it was Pascal until looking it up?
"Why Wonder Woman 1984 is Terrible"
I don't think it needs explanation to any sensible person why its trash, but we'll gladly hear about it, so cheers to that.
tell that to the people on tumblr who think this movie is "bi solidarity". I needed a break after seeing a post like that.
Glad I never got a Tumblr account.
@@teetasha1 twitter is the new tumblr. That website died once they banned the porn.
@@phabiorules YEAHH i love being on a dying website though bc twitter gave me headaches everyday so i quit lmao.
Tumblr is broken site imo, but its my broken website
Just a small remark: "Sunshine (Adagio in D Minor)" was composed by John Murphy for the sci-fi movie Sunshine. It was indeed used & re-used countless times and it's damn lazy to borrow it when you have a Hans Zimmer on board.
Oh god, Pedro Pascal needs to never shave again. The movie might have been crap, but the trailer was amazing, I watched it a BUNCH of times, and I didnt notice it was Pedro Pascal until someone _pointed it out_
Out of all the actor transformations I've seen, him just shaving his face is the most impressive lol.
Never let the man shave again. He is meant for facial hair
I like him more like this
omg same, my reaction was "he sounds so familiar, where have I seen him" and then I looked it up and went "W H A T"
I don't think Pascal is planning on growing his beard (or at least, not too much) until next year. The Mandalorian season 3 production is scheduled to start at the end of the year or begginig of 2022, even if there aren't any shots without his helmet, a beard too long would peek from under it.
Let's set up the Golden Armor as being so strong that they can fend off the armies of the world and let tease it for years only to show it for ten minutes and have it ripped like paper by a cat lady.
One problem I had with the movie: apparently, literally no one at the end wished for world peace, even though a lot of people would
I think the idea is that when Max renounced HIS wish, it undid everything. Diana wasn't really talking to the world, she was just trying to reach him.
Some people said Max had control over what was being granted, but for the life of me I couldn't tell if he did or not. So many offhand wishes where granted that I never thought he was in control of anything.
Also let's just point out that Wonder Woman 1984 could've used Cheetah's Injustice 2 model as inspiration for her character design, and actively chose not to.
The funny thing is cosplayers have shown us that amazing things can be achieved through practical effects but instead they choose this CGI abomination which doesn't even look like cheetah. Can Hollywood at least catch up to cosplays level of costume design.
@@NephilimHunter1959 that requires giving your artists an adequate amount of time and resources, something the film industry hates
Hollywood has over-relied on CGI to set up so many of its movie scenes that they completely forgot how to set up a scene any other way.
@@NephilimHunter1959 not to defend Cheetas design in this or anything but cosplayers don't have to do anything near the movement and choreography that a superhero/villain has to do in a movie
Power dynamics? If he's in a "coma", and she is, well....not, tell me who has the power in that situation?
And the fact that she's a biologically immortal super strong goddess and he's a normal human man.
He has the power! Because men are toxic and they empower women with their aggressiveness and power dynamics stuff!
oh wait, but then we imply women are weak.
She has the power! Because she is a powerful woman and she is free and stuff!
oh wait, now that implies she raped him
*feminist mind explodes*
The entirety of steve and diana’s relationship can be summed up with the “isn’t there someone you forgot to ask?” Meme format with them as the people saying “i consent” and the random dude in place of jesus saying “i dont!”
17:08: That 1 comment shows everything wrong with current Society:
A Social Bubble so absolute that people think such Nonsense.
As someone who still loves the DC cartoons, I was perfectly fine with the cheesy lines and behavior. It’s when I saw how absolutely dirty they did Cheeta that the veil of “bad movie can still be good” fell apart.
That absolute HYPOCRISY. I’ll say it till the day I die, if Steve had been a Stephanie and Diana had been a Dave there would’ve been an explosion of hate and a whole new hashtag calling out WW1984 for rape.
Stephanie and Dave sounds like a 90s sitcom. 😆
disgusting.
I was excited because I thought the first one was done well, but this one just gave me whiplash
They were trying to make one of the best and the worst DC movies :D
Jar jar jenikens should have stuck to director not writing
LITERALLYYYY, the trailer for this movie could have been the movie tbh. I liked the first Wonder Woman movie and now my brain feels fried from watching this review alone
Lucky you, Whiplash is a great film ;) lol
Due to the soundclip edits, it really seems like WB is trying to censor the literal evidence of the bad writing/delivery. Hilarious
My family religiously watches all superhero movies together and I can’t tell you how terrible it was to sit through this movie. It was so first draft and clunky it made me want to rewrite the whole thing out of frustration 😭 my parents tried to defend it as being a superhero movie, but as you said that’s no excuse
I watched this with my mom and we had an absolute ironic blast watching this and talking through the entire thing
@@moonmannd7501 You guys did it like Statler and Waldorf of The Muppet Show?.
@@rbswords2353 something like that.
Mostly guessing what would happen next in almost every scene with a smug smile and usually being correct
@@moonmannd7501 Cool.Maybe saying stuff like "Her acting's worse than those who do infomercials!."
@@rbswords2353 Nah. Less clever setup/punchline and more "my god this is fucking awful"
Just a little correction here: "It's magic" is not a bad explanation for the existance of the "Invisible shiled power". What makes it bad is the fact we have no explanation on HOW she's able to do that or when she learned it. Cause well, yes, that power is magic and the problem in saying "It's just magic" is it devoid people attention from the real question of "But how she can do it?! When did she learned it?"
That was one of people's biggest complaints about Rey from star wars. She would just do something people would ask "how'd she know how to do that?" They'd go "It's the force."
"Yeah, I get that but where and when did she lear-"
"the force."
"But she had no training to-"
"the force."
" you can't just pull something outta your a** and say it's cause of-"
"The force!"
"She's a Mary sue"
*gasp "sexist"
@@kinglewis6553 Well, she's a woman, therefore, she's absolved of real critiscim, you're sexist just for DARING to complain about the GREAT Ma-Rey Sue Skywalker!
(But jokes aside, Rey's the modern embodiment of a Mary Sue character who gains protection cause of people's personal agendas, instead of noticing how her existence doesn't help their agendas cause she ends up becoming just a shallow objectification of "Strong female character". Problem with people is they forget we first need to have a strong Character, and we can after decide which gender it is)
@animationeer Haven't watched the prequels, but I guess this fits more with the new trilogy "More showing, more reference, less explaining,.less good writting". But from ehat I always hear about the prequels I guess that's kinda right
When he wishing to the stone saying " I want to be you" , I thought he will turn into the stone 🤣🤣
I kept leaving the room when I watched the movie cause of how bad it was. So because of that, I was so confused when everyone said she sexually-assaulted a guy, but I’m never watching the movie again it’s so bad. I had nightmares for weeks
That feels like you`re implying you left the room before `Steve` came back, and he was just there when you got back, and you weren`t concerned enough with how he got there to find out. Which I think is just about the perfect way to sum up this movie.
@@bloodyneptune yeah that is exactly what happened
@@gwynzynoodles2553 lol, I left to use the restroom during that scene and when I asked my parents what had happened, they had checked out to the point where they didn't even know where Steve came from.
@@Marie-um7ot lmao
Wait if Wonder Woman can turn things invisible why didn’t she turn the spear with kryptonite on it from BvS Invisible so they could just throw it at doomsday without him seeing it ??
she forgot again right after
Just one of many problems with “powers as the plot demands it”.
Or literally use it ever again at any time, at all?
She just kinda forgot.
I’m getting so so sick of the way male characters are being treated in movies these days.
Yeah, women have been (and to a degree still are) dealing with shit like this for DECADES but it doesn’t make it right to turn the tables.
Women have been ornaments and victims in the film industry since its conception. The things a lot of commenters are complaining about? Women have been dealing with it for far longer. Eradicating the sexism against women is still absolutely necessary even today, contrary to what some folks think…
But treating male characters like disposable buffoons with no value is not only the wrong way to do it, but more importantly it sends a gross dangerous message about the way we should view and treat men in general.
Like, I enjoyed the Black Widow movie for the most part, but my angry feminist brain kept fuming at the way they handled the male characters. We only got two, and one was the villain while the other was a bumbling idiot. Fantastic. Great job in the fight for equality, treating everyone with dignity, and fighting against the myriad of legitimate men’s issues. 🙄
That's not the half of it. Not long ago I saw a family television show FROM THE FREAKIN 1950s that showed a GREAT action COUPLE: The Roy Rogers Show, which featured the highly popular cowboy Roy Rogers and his cowgirl wife Dale Evans. They mutually supported each other and often relied on each other's skills (she was skilled with the pistol, he was incredibly athletic and skilled with his fists). But what made it AMAZING was this: While Dale like Roy would courageously take on the thugs and literally bark at them when they were defeated (sometimes with her pistol aimed right in their freakin face or chest), she would completely shed all that toughness whenever she was around kids (she'd literally sweet talk to them many times). They absolutely NAILED the "strong heroine" character. It's no surprise that countless 1950s little girls dressed up like Dale and considered her their hero (much like the boys did Roy). If even THEN they could write a female character that well, Wonder Woman and modern Hollywood have absolutely NO EXCUSE.
Great comment, just leaving my own here as a bookmark.
When Diana was giving her whole “truth” speech at the end I couldn’t stop thinking how much she sounded like Tommy Wiseau.
Same!
@Legion "You're tearing me apart Steve!"
This movie isn’t controversial, it’s just disappointing.
It's contrapointing.
The rape is controversial
@Meta Man you should write that on rotten tomatoes review, rather than in the comment section which 99% of people won’t read
My mom bought out a movie theater (not the whole building just one of the rooms) so we could go out and see WW84 as a family in December. We enjoyed it the first time mostly out of a sense of "yay we finally left the house and saw a movie in theaters", but by the next day, it began to dawn on us how problematic/bad it actually was, especially next to its predecessor.
Correction: Batty Jenkins cannot write an *original* story. With "Monster", the story already existed. The police reports and court transcripts was the story.. All Jenkins had to do was write a screenplay based on real documented events. When it comes to an original story, like WW84, she's right up there with George Lucas writing the ST prequels.
Patty Jenkins needs to find a woman with the screenwriting chops of Lawrence Kasdan.
I'd go even further and say Patty's up there with the writers of the Sequel Trilogy.
Umm... I'm pretty sure Wonder Woman stories already existed too. She's from the comic books, in case you forget.
@@clementj To paraphrase Zack Snyder on why BvS totally botched The Dark Knight Returns: '... and that story is wonderful, BUT we decided to make our own story sort of based on that instead'
See also every attempt at including Dark Phoenix in any X-Men movie ever
@@clementj Good point. If "Thor: Ragnarok" was based on a couple comic books, it only emphasizes what a terrible writer Patty Jenkins is.
Diana: "I'm an Amazonian princess that has superpowers and can beat up bad guys all on my own"
Also Diana: "I can't eat, sleep, think, live, or breathe without some guy named Steve I knew for about 40 minutes"
Take note, little girls of the world. You can be as successful and independent as you want, but no one will care unless you have a Steve
I don’t think it’s unrealistic to care about someone who made such an impact on you. Steve was her first introduction to not only someone of the opposite sex but a human in general. He helped shape her perception of the world and his ultimate sacrifice at the end of the first film gave her the courage to do what’s right. I feel like their relationship can be equated to real world celebrity relationships in the sense that they aren’t ordinary: being a celebrity means that you are treated differently and recognized by many, making it hard to have genuine connections with people without them seeing you as otherworldly. Many times when celebrities do get in relationships they rush into it and get married quickly because they fear of losing the connection they’ve made and it doesn’t work out in the long run. For Diana and Steve, not only did he have the previously mentioned influences on her, but as she world continue in her life for the next 60+ years, she probably found it hard to relate on that very intimate level with others. She’s used to either being seen different or saving them. In her mind, she knows she’s powerful and different, and I imagine struggles with putting her guard down to think of a normal human as an equal in a relationship. This movie isn’t good, and I’m not defending its writing or the whole “other mans body” thing, but simply the fact that love does not have a time limit, and it’s not ok to belittle its existence or importance to someone else.
Here’s a way to add impact to the whole movie: Make Diana and Barbara have a relationship. When I watched the movie, the wish that Barbara made fooled me into thinking it would be Diana and Barbara as a couple which would have lessened the need for good cgi in the fights because they feel much more impactful. The sequence could be: Bump into each other, Dates and small talk, Park scene, Wish, Breakup. This would have actually made it make sense why she would hate Diana as the wish would take away that love. What wish would Wonder Woman make? I don’t know but sure as hell not one that brings back her ex. This would have also been ok by the comics as she is slightly bisexual there so why not run with it. This would have also been a major improvement for the theme of women empowerment especially for minorities. Then the happy ending would be them getting back together rather than being kind to the person you just raped.
Nahhh, that's too direct to be able to cut out for the Russian and Chinese audiences.
When it was first set up that Steve was a body snatcher my thoughts were, ‘oh Steve is gonna go crazy being in someone’s body and out of time, that’s how the wish sours’ . . .then our hero immediately violates this strange man that they also go out of their way to establish is an actual person. It shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the character. Diana, if anything, would be trying to figure out how to fix that issue with Steve. She’s not some starry eyed dunce. WW is extremely intelligent and investigative.
Also, I didn’t mind Diana not being able to get over Steve. Their chemistry in the first movie is great. The affection is genuine and the relationship was well written. She’s also kind of an immortal god so being hung up on your dead first love for the past 70 years is not unreasonable for Diana. However, violating someone’s body is not like WW at all. Ignoring a sinister plot and refusing to thoroughly investigate bc her wish came true is also not like WW at all.
WB needs to focus less on replicating the Marvel formula and focus on why people used to enjoy their DC cartoons. WB is showing Plankton v Mr. Krabs levels of incompetence and desperation.
they could genuinely just cut, copy, and paste all the timmverse era dc cartoons into big movies for a decade, _and people would love them!_
Remember folks, "men can't be raped"
Also obligatory "YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!"
a reminder the island diana comes from can only reproduce by rape. yes the kidnap(slavery?) men to do this.
They doesn't learn history or something?
@@torram4388 How about you learn some grammar first?
@@erraticuk Oh I'm aware of that little nugget. Don't think Patty Jenkins was aware of it though.
@@Mate397 Mind you, not all people speak, write, or type in perfect English. Pointing it out can be beneficial to whom you are saying it too (cuz it can raise awareness of where they went wrong), but pointing it out while not being understanding, respectful, and helpful about it can easily make you look like a douchebag.
"Why for once I just have this one thing? This one thing?"
- Harvey Weinstein
I’ve been looking forward to this
Indeed
CJ's power have doubled since his last video.
@@mqfii8992 good, twice the pride, double the fall
Same
I read your comment in Count Dooku’s voice, and I can’t find any reason wrong with that.