exactly. Jiggs aint the powerhouse she was in melee in ultimate, but I love seeing someone pilot her regardless and to take a game off of the best, to boot.
For those wondering about EE's mistaken intel about Leo being in losers (0:05), it was probably him (or chat) confusing MKLeo with Lea, who coincidentally, is also the player who got upset by NaetorU (1:08) that EE couldn't quite name off the top of his head in the same conversation. _NaetorU (Pichu, Seed 152) _*_2-0_*_ Lea (Greninja?, Seed 24)_ _Upset Factor: 5_ To be fair, EE even stated, "There's so many upsets kinda running around this tournament, it's easy to get things mixed up." (0:49)
EE wasn't the origin of this mistake, and definitely came from Charles, somewhere down the line. I'm sure we can find the vod of Charles informing EE for the first time that "Leo was in losers side." It was absolutely a misunderstanding of Lea's name as Leo.
Yeah makes it way more difficult then normal for Puff to get his early off stage kills. Bonus that Byleth can actually punish Puff offstage with his UP B like he did in that one stick when BassMage overcommitted
Yeah byleth was 1000% the best pick here. One of the best recoveries in the game, one of the hardest rest punishes in the game, and typical big and safe swordie moves make it tricky for puff to do puff things (though I don't think the matchup is free)
@@citrusthepenguin agreed, I would even consider this MU on Byleths favour. A decent Byleth spacing can make it impossible for puff. Plus one Nair to dsmash can break puffs shield if held just a bit too long.
@@juanlozano9207 I disagree. A lot of people have something that I like to call "elite smash bias", where sword characters overestimate their ability to beat Jigglypuff because they fight bad puffs online and are able to swat away their predictable approaches every single time. Don't get me wrong, Jigglypuff generally does worse against swordies than any other archetype, but she doesn't lose to every single one. I think puff goes even with Byleth simply because of how goddamn slow Byleth is, especially in the air. His recovery, while great, is still a tether recovery and can be gimped. Also, the shieldbreak setup you mentioned is relatively niche and easy to play around, and a smart puff can be surprisingly hard for Byleth to hit.
@@citrusthepenguin complete fair points. Yes I totally see where you’re coming from and do agree with you. Im my statement I did not mean to add people who do compete in the game, you’re absolutely correct with that biased I took. It’s just from my personal experience with low level puffs and friends I play with (I’m the biggest fan of smash in my friend group lmao). God damn but honestly it’s so nice to have a conversation here in TH-cam, people are so much more civilized than any other SM platform
Big props to bassmage for taking a game off of Leo. And Leo gave all the bassmage fans false hope big in that game 2. Edit: Leo’s use of slingshot always amazes me he uses it way better than everyone else to space
This is an absolute win for Bassmage. This matchup is nearly impossible to win. And yet he was able to get close every match against MKLeo! Even taking a game! Well done to both players.
bassmage says its a winning matchup for puff btw. and i cant really argue, byleth is so slow and puff can get in so easily with how slow their attacks are, and they are very edgegaurdable. byleth is combo food for puff, and none of byleths options work out of sheild against puffs downair driftback.
just so everyone knows, Tea is in top 12. He 3 stocked cosmos, sonix and goblin. Absolutely destroying everyone in his path. Not ONE stream of him for some reason… see you tomorrow, Tea vs leo
Every game except game 4 coulda gone Bassmage's way. I hope he keeps it up and gets his break through soon. I would think Byleth must be a tough match up for Jigglypuff but Bassmage made it look doable, against the best Byleth in the world, of all people. What an amazing Jigglypuff player.
No puff beats byleth's crappy frame data when cornered. The only way Byleth can hit puff is he reads puffs movement and retreats now and then, this retreating will lead to him being cornered (upair->rest，fthrow->gimp, air combos). MkLeo can read players movement unlike any other player so his attacks will actually hit.
I am absolutely loving how both of these players are pushing boundaries of their characters. Leo is very creatively spamming and cancelling moves in order to present as little openings as possible for Bassmage to strike, whereas Bassmage himself's punishing gameplay is utterly satisfying to watch. Now continue to play, continue to let us be witnesses of these inspiring sets!
@@thelordoftheweebs9501 yeah he would perfect pivot often in sm4sh so slingshot must feel really natural to him. The motion to execute it consistently is similar
@@mcrsmash8319 do you mean using the same slingshot mechanic to kind buffer pivot grabs ? Basically slingshot but instead of inputting jump input grab yes ?
@@Hippienolic2 No way really?? Do you know where I can find it? I've always wondered who the better puff would be but just assumed they've never played each other since Hbox doesn't play ultimate and I've only heard of bassmage a couple months ago
@@mashedt8rs290 Hbox's main content nowadays is Ultimate, not sure why you say he doesn't play it, lol. And to answer your question: Hbox doesn't hold a candle to Bassmage in ult.
@@CG-qx1yt huh I didn't know hbox was getting into ultimate, tbf I haven't played smash in a while and just now getting back into it. Last time I watched Hbox he primarily played melee and a bit of brawl but never really played ultimate
Commentators were acting very foolish game 2. Leo was in control almost immediately after he lost his first stock and kept the momentum the rest of the game but they didn't catch on until he had brought it all the way back.
If he missed the read and went for sing or rest, he would have literally died. If he missed the up tilt read, he would not have even gotten punished. Use your head
@@lucidsoups He could have also done retreating fsmash hitting with the back of the fsmash so that he will be far away if he misses it or falling upair -> rest.
Game 2 FD is proof how a stage can carry a character like puff,L.Mac and Kazuya and the shotos and also how sword characters typically are better on bigger stages with platforms but eh slow characters are always able to clutch things cuz their playstyle gets you to slow down and think about what you need to do to get to the finish line
obvious difference in character viability. Bassmage is awesome but at a massive disadvantage against byleth. Just an easier game for mkleo when he's using byleth against puff lol
Props to Bassmage. I wonder how much more he can push Jiggly meta. He might be ok being best Puff in world. Imo, I think Bass needs to pick up a character that's more viable in competitive play if his ambition is to defeat best of the best in a consistent manner. Otherwise, Bassmage is destined to be perennial contender and gatekeeper. I'm not trying to be dismissive of Bass's accomplishment. I really think he can be more than best Puff. He has potential to be one of the best players in Smash but by sticking with Puff his journey is gonna be cut short. Best of Luck, Bassmage. Keep up the hard work.
Bassmage is very good and has impressed. Jigglypuff had insane combos and can edge guard amazing but she get held back by projectiles, range and dies so early. She also dies if her shield breaks. Those are huge disadvantages that outweighs her advantages. Her placement is lower mid to mid
Dang, was really hoping to see just a bit more adaptation on this set. What could have been a really fun set sort of just devolved into leo not approching and spamming dtilt to catch approach and bassmage kept falling for it
@@davidvilla1247 it is even. I play puff and it always feels doable. Byleth is also edguardable. Also even bassmage and Leo have in their matchup charts this matchup as even
@@JB-fd8jy byleth can also use up B for defense, plus I don’t see him easy to edge guard and do not don’t forget byleth can break shields and you know who dies if their shield breaks
Why didn’t bassmage use puffs 2 best moves once? Rest and sing. Sing could’ve been used sooooo many times. Especially when you condition your opponent into thinking it’s a neutral fight
Unlike what the commentators said, I'm very sure that at 94% Jigglypuff would defo have died with an up-air. I think he went for the up-B to just to flex. MKLeo is just too strong...
12:33 Bassmage knows this. He predicted he was going to the side, attacking with a f-air, and missed by pixels. Mkleo was in the right position to punish that whiff. Respect the top players.
Get EE out of here. Bad commentary, says stupid shit, cheats, gaslight his friends apparently, and also isn't even funny. Stop giving him high level gigs. Just waiting for allegations to come out about him
Double Down is still live! Go to "www.twitch.tv/vgbootcamp"
Match starts at 2:54
An honest attempt.
He took a game off Leo with Puff and that's amazing by itself.
Omfg derker es fan de bassmage? Te quiero aún más
exactly. Jiggs aint the powerhouse she was in melee in ultimate, but I love seeing someone pilot her regardless and to take a game off of the best, to boot.
@@Nyworin
Ya somos dos amigo
@@mr.emolgario637 ojoooo
Puff isn't a bad character in ultimate why do people still think she is :(
For those wondering about EE's mistaken intel about Leo being in losers (0:05),
it was probably him (or chat) confusing MKLeo with Lea, who coincidentally,
is also the player who got upset by NaetorU (1:08) that EE couldn't quite name off the top of his head in the same conversation.
_NaetorU (Pichu, Seed 152) _*_2-0_*_ Lea (Greninja?, Seed 24)_ _Upset Factor: 5_
To be fair, EE even stated, "There's so many upsets kinda running around this tournament, it's easy to get things mixed up." (0:49)
Ok.
EE wasn't the origin of this mistake, and definitely came from Charles, somewhere down the line. I'm sure we can find the vod of Charles informing EE for the first time that "Leo was in losers side."
It was absolutely a misunderstanding of Lea's name as Leo.
NaetorU was seeded that low? Damn
Byleth's recovery is why I am assuming we saw him here. Basemage is so good
Yeah makes it way more difficult then normal for Puff to get his early off stage kills. Bonus that Byleth can actually punish Puff offstage with his UP B like he did in that one stick when BassMage overcommitted
Yeah byleth was 1000% the best pick here. One of the best recoveries in the game, one of the hardest rest punishes in the game, and typical big and safe swordie moves make it tricky for puff to do puff things (though I don't think the matchup is free)
@@citrusthepenguin agreed, I would even consider this MU on Byleths favour. A decent Byleth spacing can make it impossible for puff. Plus one Nair to dsmash can break puffs shield if held just a bit too long.
@@juanlozano9207 I disagree.
A lot of people have something that I like to call "elite smash bias", where sword characters overestimate their ability to beat Jigglypuff because they fight bad puffs online and are able to swat away their predictable approaches every single time.
Don't get me wrong, Jigglypuff generally does worse against swordies than any other archetype, but she doesn't lose to every single one.
I think puff goes even with Byleth simply because of how goddamn slow Byleth is, especially in the air. His recovery, while great, is still a tether recovery and can be gimped. Also, the shieldbreak setup you mentioned is relatively niche and easy to play around, and a smart puff can be surprisingly hard for Byleth to hit.
@@citrusthepenguin complete fair points. Yes I totally see where you’re coming from and do agree with you. Im my statement I did not mean to add people who do compete in the game, you’re absolutely correct with that biased I took. It’s just from my personal experience with low level puffs and friends I play with (I’m the biggest fan of smash in my friend group lmao). God damn but honestly it’s so nice to have a conversation here in TH-cam, people are so much more civilized than any other SM platform
Big props to bassmage for taking a game off of Leo. And Leo gave all the bassmage fans false hope big in that game 2.
Edit: Leo’s use of slingshot always amazes me he uses it way better than everyone else to space
Thanks Coach
You know Bassmage is the best Puff if for no other reason than him not getting 3-0d here
Yeah his slingshots were so good. He had so many punishes thanks to that
Bass also had some nice slingshots into pound this set. Really cool to see it in action on both sides
2:55 straight to the fight I got you ✊🏽
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Goat✊🏽
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This is an absolute win for Bassmage. This matchup is nearly impossible to win. And yet he was able to get close every match against MKLeo! Even taking a game! Well done to both players.
bassmage says its a winning matchup for puff btw. and i cant really argue, byleth is so slow and puff can get in so easily with how slow their attacks are, and they are very edgegaurdable. byleth is combo food for puff, and none of byleths options work out of sheild against puffs downair driftback.
Wdym the matchup is impossible to win, have you ever tried to play byleth into puff lol
@@VallochGaming tbh talking from experience it’s even, the disjoints are still too strong
Impossible my ass😂😂😂😂
So annoying when someone as clueless as you act like you know the game.
just so everyone knows, Tea is in top 12. He 3 stocked cosmos, sonix and goblin. Absolutely destroying everyone in his path. Not ONE stream of him for some reason… see you tomorrow, Tea vs leo
Tea will always be a menace, he's a beast.
Tea has never not went crazy lol. Even if he loses, those games were earned off of him.
I just watched the cosmos and sonix, no 3 stocks. Did you mean 3-0’s?
My 2 favorite players finally against each other, AND BassMage took a game 🔥🔥
Spoilers!
Every game except game 4 coulda gone Bassmage's way. I hope he keeps it up and gets his break through soon. I would think Byleth must be a tough match up for Jigglypuff but Bassmage made it look doable, against the best Byleth in the world, of all people. What an amazing Jigglypuff player.
It's not that bad. Both players think the MU is even, Leo is just a way better player.
No puff beats byleth's crappy frame data when cornered. The only way Byleth can hit puff is he reads puffs movement and retreats now and then, this retreating will lead to him being cornered (upair->rest，fthrow->gimp, air combos). MkLeo can read players movement unlike any other player so his attacks will actually hit.
Matchup is not in byleth favor stop saying bs
I am absolutely loving how both of these players are pushing boundaries of their characters. Leo is very creatively spamming and cancelling moves in order to present as little openings as possible for Bassmage to strike, whereas Bassmage himself's punishing gameplay is utterly satisfying to watch.
Now continue to play, continue to let us be witnesses of these inspiring sets!
DLC privilege
Damn Mkleo doing the pivot tech flawlessly
Edit: yeah it's called slingshot
Isn't he the one who pioneered it in smash 4? Dude is full of talent.
sorry i'm a bit confused brother, what is the pivot tech ?
@@poloswis1713 the slingshot
@@thelordoftheweebs9501 yeah he would perfect pivot often in sm4sh so slingshot must feel really natural to him. The motion to execute it consistently is similar
@@mcrsmash8319 do you mean using the same slingshot mechanic to kind buffer pivot grabs ? Basically slingshot but instead of inputting jump input grab yes ?
Slingshot fair from Byleth is BROKEN
Byleth is a nightmare matchup.. and it’s also the best play in the world
Being the 2nd lightest character in the game against Byleth Bassmage's DI is insanity
7:40 - 11:30 bro remembered he was the best player
Bassmage playing puff is really making me wish Hbox played ultimate, their duel would be legendary!
They have played each other multiple times
@@Hippienolic2 No way really?? Do you know where I can find it? I've always wondered who the better puff would be but just assumed they've never played each other since Hbox doesn't play ultimate and I've only heard of bassmage a couple months ago
@@mashedt8rs290 Hbox's main content nowadays is Ultimate, not sure why you say he doesn't play it, lol.
And to answer your question: Hbox doesn't hold a candle to Bassmage in ult.
@@mashedt8rs290 he does play ultimate a fair bit, but bassmage is a MUCH better ultimate player
@@CG-qx1yt huh I didn't know hbox was getting into ultimate, tbf I haven't played smash in a while and just now getting back into it. Last time I watched Hbox he primarily played melee and a bit of brawl but never really played ultimate
Congrats to Bass trying to play this swordie game with Puff
9:32 unfortunately, for Bassmage fans, Leo wins dis
We're gonna do it someday bass
in game 2 , bassmage totally changed he's play style man
if the quality is bad, hit refresh
Glad to see people still use my N64 main.
6:34 couldn't even finish his caster cursed sentence 😆
Commentators were acting very foolish game 2. Leo was in control almost immediately after he lost his first stock and kept the momentum the rest of the game but they didn't catch on until he had brought it all the way back.
That's pretty common, they never learn
That Bylet recovery and all of that kind are soo broken i thing xD
En especial en ese minuto 12:35
Ppl supports anyone who's facing Leo but when he wins they just give him the claps he deserves
Cuz he's an amazing player
12:35 was that a bait?!
No
Nah, it’s just Byleth being byleth
No
Shoutouts to the Sonic songs before the set began
Damn he really took the fight to him in game 3 for that last stock
BASSMAGE played very clean on the 2 game
A pesar que el público gritaba AZI, el paisano Leo mantuvo la paciencia y se la llevó! Bien jugado!
game two Leo took a page from the Mango play book, you can't sleep on the kid even when the kid is sleeping on you
Hilarious we got the announcers sitting elbow to elbow with no masks, but the competitors farther apart with masks lol. The mask don’t do shit
Let’s go BassMage!
They really should've gave puff more significant buffs before the balance patches ended.
People who don’t play byleth don’t know how diverse neutral is, though mk Leo’s neutral is absolutely intimidating. Sorry his spacing has me messed up
How did Leo know he was going to DI to the right in that last interaction. What a read.
Starts 2:54
Whats the song at 2:31? Sounds familiar
Aquarium Park from Sonic Colours
Imagine if bassmage played a good character.
He’s most skilled with puff tho
Why is no one talking ab the SA2 music in the background🤤😩
Idk how I feel about this match up I’m a jigglypuff main and Mexican so don’t know who to root for
Por mi parte apoyo a Bass, sin él Jigglypuff no tendría la fama que tiene ahora en ultimate
You can watch a match and not cheer for anyone
@@ABC-ik9vj
Nunca destacó y no tenía resultados favorables cada vez que participaba en Ultimate, sigue siendo bueno pero solo en Melee.
Mango lo empezó Hungrybox lo perfeccionó y bassmage lo Continuó y sigue siendo el mejor jigglypuff de ultimate
彼のプリンすげぇ·····
leoベレトから1本とれるのか·····
“Dread it, run from it. MKLeo plays Byleth like he’s Darth Vader”
Great set! Good stuff to Bassmage, this was incredible to watch!
Is Darth Vader also a Byleth main?
Why didn't bassMAGE do sing -> fsmash, or sing -> rest instead uptilt on roll read?
Minuto?
probably a combination of nerves + not fully believing in the read. there's sure to be a lot of pressure when going up against the #1 player
If he missed the read and went for sing or rest, he would have literally died. If he missed the up tilt read, he would not have even gotten punished. Use your head
@@lucidsoups your 100% correct
@@lucidsoups He could have also done retreating fsmash hitting with the back of the fsmash so that he will be far away if he misses it or falling upair -> rest.
I want to see Leo play his joker in this tourney
Sountrack min 11:54
Sonic adventure 2 music in the background
hbox looking a lot younger lately since he changed his nametag on ultimate
So is "chilly" a new sponsor for him?
Byleth vs Puff, these are matchups I wanna see in Smash 😍
Love leo staying #1. I like bassmage a lot, but that crowd needs to cheer for both their boy and the number 1 in the world. Smh
Game 2 FD is proof how a stage can carry a character like puff,L.Mac and Kazuya and the shotos and also how sword characters typically are better on bigger stages with platforms but eh slow characters are always able to clutch things cuz their playstyle gets you to slow down and think about what you need to do to get to the finish line
The highest quality is 360p it looks bad.
2022 and people still don't know how TH-cam works
@@brandonleorsamayoa3056 LOL fax
banger background music
Sonic adventure 2 battle, da 🐐
It's about time
Why did bassmage keep approaching in game 2? Leo literally just stood in place baiting him. HE WAS UP A STOCK AND A HALF. Actually threw.
Mkleoからbo5で1本取れるプリン彼だけやろ
Just camp bassmage! You don’t always have to advance. Especially when you are in the lead, take it slow and claim center stage
Que buen giglypuff me recuerda a hbox
Estás ante el mejor main Puff de Ultimate, al menos le ganó un set a Leo
The commentator looks like that guy off of impractical jokers
murray🤣
@@leun88 yup! I couldn’t think of his name for some reason lol. Haven’t seen the show in years but god he’s like identical to Murray lol
obvious difference in character viability. Bassmage is awesome but at a massive disadvantage against byleth. Just an easier game for mkleo when he's using byleth against puff lol
amazing!
Props to Bassmage. I wonder how much more he can push Jiggly meta. He might be ok being best Puff in world. Imo, I think Bass needs to pick up a character that's more viable in competitive play if his ambition is to defeat best of the best in a consistent manner. Otherwise, Bassmage is destined to be perennial contender and gatekeeper. I'm not trying to be dismissive of Bass's accomplishment. I really think he can be more than best Puff. He has potential to be one of the best players in Smash but by sticking with Puff his journey is gonna be cut short. Best of Luck, Bassmage. Keep up the hard work.
Bassmage is very good and has impressed. Jigglypuff had insane combos and can edge guard amazing but she get held back by projectiles, range and dies so early. She also dies if her shield breaks. Those are huge disadvantages that outweighs her advantages. Her placement is lower mid to mid
en esta pelea veo a leo muy tranquilo no juego tan agresivo esta vez se veia cansado o algo jaja pero a ver si se pone pilas bien
Adaption is key, MKLeo shows why he is the King yet again.
why is ee looking so damn fine? dayum
Not a Jigglypuff player, but wouldn't crouching be good vs. Byleth as Jiggs?
no bc byleth dtilt kills puff at like 80
Jesus, post-buffs Byleth is a lot of bs too (not as much as steve)
9:26 leo laughed lmao
Dang, was really hoping to see just a bit more adaptation on this set.
What could have been a really fun set sort of just devolved into leo not approching and spamming dtilt to catch approach and bassmage kept falling for it
That whole last game felt like bassmage approaching with pound and getting punished every time lol
LEO GO BACK ON JOKER it was soooo good
Y not threaten the reel in on the tether w that stupidly long-lingering nair?
Won't deny bass definitely best puff in ult but leo is too good plus byleth wins this mu.
11:20 is such a leo moment
Even matchup.
Leo just played better than bassmage
@@JB-fd8jy meh bot a big difference but byleth wins
@@JB-fd8jy not even, definitely +1 byleth, not more due to byleth being slow, if byleth was faster then this would’ve been an easy +3 for him
@@davidvilla1247 it is even.
I play puff and it always feels doable. Byleth is also edguardable.
Also even bassmage and Leo have in their matchup charts this matchup as even
@@JB-fd8jy byleth can also use up B for defense, plus I don’t see him easy to edge guard and do not don’t forget byleth can break shields and you know who dies if their shield breaks
Nope basmage wont 3 stock Leo Leo will reverse 3 stock him
Mk Leo glaze the whole vid
daaamn bassmage's puff is fun
Why didn’t bassmage use puffs 2 best moves once? Rest and sing. Sing could’ve been used sooooo many times. Especially when you condition your opponent into thinking it’s a neutral fight
Cuz’ they’re not, it’s def like nair and dash attack or forward throw
Its dair and f throw, also sing is a very shitty move.
Also bass doesn't use rest because its risky and he'd rather outplay the opponent
Because if you don't have a guaranteed setup, a player like Leo will easily capitalize and take the stock.
Shit I wouldn’t be using Rest against MkLeo.
Hey Leo just so you know, it's okay to lose
Those shirts tho!
Unlike what the commentators said, I'm very sure that at 94% Jigglypuff would defo have died with an up-air. I think he went for the up-B to just to flex. MKLeo is just too strong...
Don’t chase Byleth from above when he is low offstage Basemage. Respect his UP B
12:33 Bassmage knows this. He predicted he was going to the side, attacking with a f-air, and missed by pixels. Mkleo was in the right position to punish that whiff.
Respect the top players.
literally scorpion:
"Get over here!"
AZ RISE UP!!!!!
MKWeo
Get EE out of here. Bad commentary, says stupid shit, cheats, gaslight his friends apparently, and also isn't even funny. Stop giving him high level gigs. Just waiting for allegations to come out about him
Cry
プリンちゃん♥
Sing?
i almost want to count 8-9 down tilts ina a row by jiggly threw it
広告挟み過ぎてまともに試合見れない
I can't believe Leo lost this set !
Jigglypuff combos always look so fake
They do, but it seems they're not!
EE got a stuffy nose?
EE was railing lines in the bathroom, its vegas
So nobody will ever learn the lesson of not going offstage with Leo's Byleth... Ok.
Ban Byleth
Bassmage!!
DLC champ 😐
プリンで挑むのおもろいなw
Battle of the mid tiers lmfao
@Joshua Suh So you thinking low tier? Maybe, I mean Byleth does suck. Maybe low tier, you could be right.
@@iamCifu i cant tell if this is satire
Jigglypuff is for sure a Mid Tier and you can see how she struggles to find KOs and open up %. Almost all MidTiers struggle in these.
@@wits_end. with that frame data and mobility, no. Mid tier
@@stevenliang3213 really? Frame six nair with a landing hitbox and low end lag, literally considered by top players as one of the best in the game