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It's not cheating, it's a different kind of switch. Back in the earlier days some players considered aiming with tablet a form of cheating. This is essentially the same issue, you're still responsible for the inputs being made, it's still your finger movements that determine how fast and how precisely your cursor moves and hits the circles.
Well, there's only one real difference: tablets were never super prohibitively hard to get a hold of nor prohibitively expensive, therefore there was never much of a situation where the majority of the playerbase was locked out of using tablets due to poor availability. This currently creates the situation of people who can get their hands on a wooting keyboard having a perceived unfair advantage over all those who can't (which is the majority) I'm assuming other keyboard manifacturers will follow suit and release their own analog keyboards soon enough, at which point the technology will be normalized and the crying will fully die down. After all, the one thing which can't be stopped is the technological advancement of humanity. But yeah until that point, people such as myself will be very unhappy with the situation, since I currently am playing with a 125Hz blue switch keyboard which gotta be like the worst possible thing to play on and I want to change it like NOW, but I don't want to get something which isn't "optimal".
not all different playstyles are legitimate. for example touch screen was just "another way to aim" until we all decided it was pretty much playing a different game, and td players should be locked out of pp competition. i doubt that would happen for a keyboard though
I started playing osu way back in 2012, when most people playing the game didn't want to/couldn't afford to take the plunge into buying a tablet. Still to this day I hear friends saying that "tablet is cheating", without taking the time to become truly proficient at either. Every time someone comes up with a new way to play the game more efficiently this argument comes up. Whether or not speed is overweighted is a different issue, but can we not just all agree that streaming 330 is an insane achievement, regardless of the current hardware? Because it really is
Take note that this is not only apply to osu standard players. Many players in other game modes. Taiko players will be able to easily DT oni diffs Catch players will be able to stream jumps to the point at par with ExGon skill's (even if ExGon will do this if he wants to.) and also Mania players will easily breeze more PP from DT'ing from the maps like Tiefsee.
I think that wooting keyboard just removes the limit of how fast you can stream, and if you were able to stream 400 bpm but your keyboard locks it into 280 this keyboard from wooting just removes it
I never thought my keyboard was THAT special, I pre-ordered the wooting two lekker edition a bit back when it was still available from a friend’s recommendation, and I never really thought much of it until now.
Not an OSU! Player but as someone that's plays most games at a highly competitive level, i thought that buying the best tech to perform at the highest level is a fairly common practise? I still don't know why anyone would be pissed for anyone wanting to buy better equipment to do better.
I think with the recent announcements of the multiple rapid trigger capable keypads will completely remove the "wooting/rapid trigger is cheating" because the people that couldn't get the wooting keyboards before will have rapid trigger. It also helps that the rapid trigger capable keypads that have been popping up so far are more affordable than most of the keypads that people were using before.
Those switches are actually gonna be so awesome for things like racing games were people prefer Controller for making more precise turns, i hope this technology gets less expensive as time goes on as it is very cool 6:37 Fuck yeah Khz is doing it arleady what a chad
1:18 I fucking hate pen buttons. They have blocked me from completing some good plays. Example: Yesterday I was about to fc a map and went hard on the spinner but I hit my pen button which paused and since I drag I clicked restart and restarted my play at the end.
I own one of these, and while the rapid trigger is fun to mess around with sometimes, it actually makes me worse at speed. Though it could just be incompatibility with my technique (I bottom out). I imagine that if I wanted to actively use it, I would probably have to change the way I tap. It would be akin to adjusting to a new tablet area or aspect ratio, and I'm not really that willing to change my tapping technique just to use the feature. The biggest perk of the keyboard in my opinion is the ridiculously low latency (especially since my old keyboard had ~20-30ms), and the adjustable actuation point. I tend to bottom out on my switches with every press so I was able to set the actuation point to very close to where I bottom out, that way I sync the tactile feedback I get with the actual hitsound. In that aspect it's made my accuracy much more consistent, especially with HR. Even though I find rapid trigger pretty useless, I still love the keyboard and highly recommend :)
The main way to dismiss any of the arguments that the keyboard is unfair is to point at monitors. Everyone knows that having a monitor with a 144hz+ refresh rate gives you a significant advantage than having one with 60hz, which back in the beginning of osu!, 60hz was the norm. As time went on, higher refresh rate monitors became more common place and NO ONE was arguing that it was cheating when it is the same exact type of advantage this keyboard gives. Overtime, I think we will see more keyboards like the wooting become commonplace as well and even at cheaper price points, and people will just have to accept that shift the same way we accepted 144hz and higher monitors.
it sounds dumb but I remember when this keyboard used to be really popular for double/360 movement which was removed from fortnite. but this was like 1 - 2 years ago i think
Even if you have the fastest hardware, there will come a point where your skill will eventually plateau. People will eventually catch up to you, because there will always be better competition.
ngl this is being very blown out i get that alot of speed players will use this to get better scores but the thing is we already had very very very light press switches like silvers and others so its not going to change much past peoples preference and skill cap
Definitely not cheating. The way I see it, all keyboards should function this way. You shouldn't be constrained by manufacturer limitations at all. It's no different than those touch-pad things people were using that allowed instant resets for on/off if you were fast enough, this just puts it on a keyboard. IMO it makes more sense to have a keyboard function this way and you aren't crippled by product limitations. This is a good thing. If it's popular enough it will get cheaper and the technology will expand to be more competitive. This is a good thing.
well when you think about it its just a keyboard with more accurate feedback its good but not better in my opinion its like the touchpad keyboard its different the "better" part depend on you i'm laptop player btw lol
Wait Wait your literally saying so the keyboard gives pros the ability to stream faster and also they dont need to worry about finger locking but yes the keyboard doesnt give them any adventage like bro wtf ?
I'mma be real it's very busted. You can vibro without draining your stamina. It makes vibro tolerable. I own one of these and think it's OP. Was with first batch. 😂
The oldest known weapons are stone tipped spears and arrows now we have nukes and guns. basically wooting kbs are simply just an advancement of kb technology. so stop complaining its not like your going to go from 200 to 330 bpm from a fucking kb the players utilizing them already had form skill and talent so what's wrong with them using them to achieve their maximum speed
Or you can stop using mech keyboards with huge travel distance and use a flat apple like keyboard and have a really short travel distance to click faster ...
they have apex pro tho, that's basically wooting made by steelseries. (btw i don't mean that he doesn't have speed skills, i just poited out what kb they have)
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@@leagueofdraven3355 Membrane boards will forever be goated. Cheap, somewhat reliable and quiet. ATTang (droptable) used membrane boards for YEARS. Most of the mind blowing scores he's set were thanks to a KR office board I think he used to buy them (or still buys them) in bulk lol
Sounds completely fine to me. Maybe I’ll pick one up in the future. We improved from membrane switches, players used the tablet instead of the mouse. Hardware has changed and improved for the better. Original tweeter was just non-sensical. Generally, one human input = one output sounds fine
I feel like the gap between mouse and tablet is almost non existent anymore nowadays you have more mouse players than ever reaching the top and playing in owc
It's just that the community is larger so there's bound to be people who think differently. It's true; hardware innovation has almost definitely aided the overall skill cap in osu
yeah, interested to see how this would affect speed, speedjacks and especially vibro within mania though especially. could definitely see it being huge within high level gameplay
Wooting keyboard will be very comfortable. Whether you like it or not it will not increase your speed by any significant margin, but as mentioned in the video it should improve your stability on a bpm you can allready stream. Sounds like very good deal for any stream main, if you ask me.
@@Alice_Fumo ik but 200 dollars is a lot of money even if you're really into the game this keyboard isn't going to make you happy or make the game more enjoyable or even make you significantly better so go spend it on something that will make you happy instead
2:25 "a new keyboard does not affect your current skill whatsoever" no, it can totally affect your skill immensely though. like, switching a bad keyboard that has anything like input delay, uncomfortable form factor or generally bad build quality to a solid and good board can result in an immediate improvement (and a massive one at that)
overall at some point in life people will 100% get so fast that they will be limited by the keyboards actuation points, so in reality there will be a need for this kind of keyboard
Wooting keyboard made my brain remember of my fortnite days when this exactly thing happen. Pro-players bought the WootingKB to abuse of a feature that had been removed from regular keyboards, and they sold out in 2 weeks. Just seeing these two exact same situations spark a possibility that more analogic keyboards and switches start to appear. For osu!, I always disliked the idea of "one rewardable" playstyle, like the speed meta nowadays, and the dt1tricks 2 years ago. A lot of things will change in a very short time, and it will be fun to watch as always :)
I had the Wooting Two HE for nearly a year now and it has been the best keyboard for any game you could think of. The software feature Rapid Trigger literally can give you a REAL competitive advantage.
i have an old wooting one that i use for osu, as of writing this, it doesn’t support rapid trigger. However, being able to change where the actuation is helps a ton and because of how the switch works (contactless optical switch) the switches will never start chattering.
I've noticed with every new innovation that allows people to do something they couldn't do before or it makes it easier, there are those who are upset because maybe they feel everyone should suffer the learning curve they did idk it's really weird those people, kinda like those guys who find a really good restaurant and won't share it publicly, or those weird music niches that when someone finds the song that little community gets mad in a weird way
i must admit that i am that kind of person that doesn't want to tell all people immidieately if i find something precious. If people find it they will firstly most likely ruin it, make it more expensive, make it cringe and so on. It will lose its specialty. Also lets say i tell a person something and later distrust them then i wouldn't like for that person to know something that is special to me. Also there is an aspect that is like where you feel like you deserve to be credited because you were the first. Idk it is quiet weird, but about wooting i think it is very nice that innovation comes out and i don't really find i have any of these feelings towards technical improvements.
I've just updated my keyboard to gateron reds which are incredibly smooth and light, I don't want to spend money for another miniscule upgrade. By the way, I always compare myself to old cookiezi's interview, when he said that he can stream 240 long streams on his cherry mx keyboard. I am not on the same level yet, that means the skill issue is only my fault but not of my devices
I've been using this keyboard for quite sometime now to improve my typing speed since it allowed me to do softer press and I never knew it could be use in osu this way.
wooting was never an unfair advantage, it simply just harnessed the full potential of speed players by allowing them to move their fingers as little as possible. In the same way that tablets are the dominant input method in the upper ranks of osu! the rapid trigger function is going to be the same necessity to stay competitive within the top ranks, there will of course be exceptions, but for the most part everyone is going to want switches with rapid trigger.
This reminds me of the new maps that are getting ranked that are 12 stars and more. The players will be able to reach that star rating but to do so there is also a need in new equipment that’ll give them the ability to do so. It’s not just the player that needs to improve. I believe this keyboard is one step closer to the “impossible” (as the fixed mindset comments would say) of the new super insane ranked maps. We are going in the right direction accepting this because it will help us get closer to insane scores like a 12 star triumph pass. More insane players are rising and more insane maps are being added to the ranked leaderboards that cannot be played with outdated equipment. This keyboard is great for the future of osu.
if you are techy it was like cpu gpu thing once your gpu too powerfull the cpu will start bottlenecking and thus fps dips(just like how fingelocking does in osu or feetlocking does in ddr) same also hapens if the cpu is too powerfull your gpu will tanking up and cause lower fps than it should be(we can say this is as if player who are pros using crappy phripherals,they cant fully utilised their power wich again bottlenecking hapens)
What’s crazy is that rapid trigger doesn’t even seem like a hardware thing. Theoretically any analog switch should be able to do it with a software update, no? I don’t know why more keyboards with similar hardware to wooting aren’t copying features that are almost entirely software.
I think that the biggest L for the wooting right now is its literally the only option on the market right now, and it's like $200, which basically means a lot of players can't get it. On the bright side, considering that you said it'd sold out for the foreseeable future, im sure competitors will come eventually, and as the price lowers, it'll be viewed as something like a 60 hz monitor vs a 240 hz monitor or a mechanical keyboard vs a rubber one
@@urbanumbra6170 They can't sell analog switches because it's incompatible with standard keyboard PCBs. It doesn't actuate via a leaf spring mechanism, Lekker switches use magnets.
@@urbanumbra6170 they probably won't do that. It's not a keyboard for enthusiasts, because a lot of the customization just isn't there with the hall effect switches, but it does provide an advantage in gaming. A ~200$ board with its features is competitive in the gaming space. The fact that it is backordered so heavily shows that they picked the right spot for it.
saying using the wooting is cheating is like saying a mechanical keyboard is cheating vs a membrane keyboard. Its just a different method of play that is new.
got this keyboard just before this big controversy happened and i feel so lucky i play mania instead of std and the keyboard just feel so much more comfortable and is faster also for accuracy in mania the tachyon speed mode is amazing since it gives you a -1.4 ms delay which is really good for accuracy I don't think its a cheater keyboard i just think its a great keyboard and gives players the chance to show their full potential
I think this is similar to higher refresh rate monitors or low input lag peripherals for FPS they're all innovations that help pro players unlock their full potential but they also don't make a normal player into a pro.
This is basically like when someone runs with and without a backpack. They were always able to achieve their pace, they just had a something limiting them from doing it. The keyboard basically just unlocked that.
Well it's actually because normal keyboards are bottlenecked by their reset point. After all. If you click the switch and it doesn't activate how tf is that supposed to be good, at any point. Like in the demonstration. I always thought of having a keyboard that's like a controller for playing car games and not only having 1 input. On and off. But no OSU
I've heard about analog keyboards a while ago, always wanted to get one for FPS games. So I can slowly peak around corners instead of tapping at inconsistent speeds.
While I usually love your videos, this video felt more like a clickbait news-article. Most of the video was you repeating the same thing, like 6 times, but then slowly getting a little more into the topic. I don't think there's anything wrong with the topic, or videos about drama/news. I'd appreciate it if you take a look at your format, maybe something else would be nicer? Besides that, I really enjoy your videos, so keep up the amazing work.
I’d love if this feature was more accessible, maybe in a keypad or something so I could try it but I really don’t think I’d help most osu players playstyle. If you wanna call it cheating the only thing this keyboard cheats in is holding turn angles in trackmania
well just for osu but for keyboard fanatic it's actually a very good sounding keyboard and game changing for fps. The Company is coming towards a storm fight with Steel Series with Omni point switches. Yes I know the keyboard is very expensive costing $220 total with shipping tax.
wooting keyboards can actually say how much kps you actually got without the normal type of keyboard presses meaning you can press as fast as you can and it will register
@@xenonxan184 Nah, I just a noob osu player that mainly play CTB/osu catch at normal difficulty selection, so I don't need those keyboard. I just play it fine with my laptop
How does this effect Mania? It seems like a gamemode designed around tapping fast would be the most impacted but does it lose acc or just increase tap/mash speed?
Its kind of funny, around 1,5 years ago i bought the ProX touchpad (that one keypad with 2 copper plates instead of keys). After about 1 day of playing with it and getting slightly used to it, I just gained a flat 20bpm increase to my streaming, and also more stamina. After a week or 2, my fingercontrol also got like a flat bump. I could do maps I coudnt previously play at all to a point where It wasnt just regular incremental skill improvement. With that keypad you can also kind of "vibro" stream, since there is no travel distance, just a plate. Ofcourse if you dont lift your finger enough then you will just hold the note. Now its not really an issue since vibroing with it isnt viable anyway. Like with any other keyboard, there is no accuracy in doing it, but its even more pronounced with the ProX. Also, since no force is required for input, you just get more stamina (that is ofcourse, after you get used to the thing). Im really suprised there was no drama surrounding this keypad. Maybe people just didnt have the patience for the 5-10 hour adjustment period needed to get used to it and thus get the benefits.
I’ve been using one of these wooting keyboards for over a year now, (The limited “lekker edition” came out early, around April/May 2021) and there was NOT a significant jump in any skills in osu. It actually took me a couple weeks to get used to the keyboard before I was able to surpass my performance on my old keyboard. To be honest I don’t really notice the rapid trigger too much and if rapid trigger did make a significant difference it likely would’ve been noticed when the lekker edition came out.
Gi back to the normal keyboad than, please, state here if there is a difference in how you can stream Also, switch intermittently your wooting between the average keyboard
@@SeleverEnjoyer it might be true that this person didn't experience a jump in skill. There's also players that didn't improve after getting a 144hz+ monitor for example. That doesn't really take away from others who do see improvement though does it
And you are not a top player. Sytho were nowhere near close streaming 270, now he streams 310👍 All cuz he can buy a 200$ keyboard. If this was free, it would be fair. However it's not. You are buying real, and very noticable advantage. And so, what if someone are not able to afford a 200$ keyboard, or it's not even available in their country? I would look at you, if you were a top speed player, that is trying to compete, and then some guy that was years of work behind just buys a keyboard and now hes better.
this feels like geometry dash all over again when they find out higher hertz monitors made them better at the game. let's see where that goes in osu now...
God that's a throw back, as a permanent 60hz player I had no problems with hard demons which is where I gave up on improvement, though not gonna lie after trying 144 later on for the first time I almost creamed.
I come from a community where people complain about BOXX or Hitbox controllers over a console controller in fighting games, where there's are massive differences that actually warrant bans in competitive play in some tournaments. This keyboard is nothing in comparison. This board will NOT instantly make you better so seeing people bitch and complain is odd to me.
bro people getting mad at a hardware evolutions that allows players to actually be more consistent. ITS LITTERALLY SKILL ITS JUST A HARDWARE CHANGE AND HELPED WITH FINGERLOCK IVE KNOWN ABOUT THIS GODDAMN THE OSU COMMUNITY IS TOXIC
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really hope more keyboard companies start implementing rapid trigger, this seems like the start of something great
You can make this video 4 minutes shorter 💀 you just repeating yourself over and over again
It's not cheating, it's a different kind of switch. Back in the earlier days some players considered aiming with tablet a form of cheating. This is essentially the same issue, you're still responsible for the inputs being made, it's still your finger movements that determine how fast and how precisely your cursor moves and hits the circles.
Well, there's only one real difference: tablets were never super prohibitively hard to get a hold of nor prohibitively expensive, therefore there was never much of a situation where the majority of the playerbase was locked out of using tablets due to poor availability. This currently creates the situation of people who can get their hands on a wooting keyboard having a perceived unfair advantage over all those who can't (which is the majority)
I'm assuming other keyboard manifacturers will follow suit and release their own analog keyboards soon enough, at which point the technology will be normalized and the crying will fully die down. After all, the one thing which can't be stopped is the technological advancement of humanity.
But yeah until that point, people such as myself will be very unhappy with the situation, since I currently am playing with a 125Hz blue switch keyboard which gotta be like the worst possible thing to play on and I want to change it like NOW, but I don't want to get something which isn't "optimal".
@@Alice_Fumo 😎
What about touch device
not all different playstyles are legitimate. for example touch screen was just "another way to aim" until we all decided it was pretty much playing a different game, and td players should be locked out of pp competition. i doubt that would happen for a keyboard though
@@Alice_Fumo to be fair, the cost difference between a mouse and tablet is still relatively similar to a traditional keyboard and the wooting keyboard
I started playing osu way back in 2012, when most people playing the game didn't want to/couldn't afford to take the plunge into buying a tablet. Still to this day I hear friends saying that "tablet is cheating", without taking the time to become truly proficient at either. Every time someone comes up with a new way to play the game more efficiently this argument comes up. Whether or not speed is overweighted is a different issue, but can we not just all agree that streaming 330 is an insane achievement, regardless of the current hardware? Because it really is
as a hardware enthousiast, I always say: better hardware don't make you better but it will not limit your potential
I think its fine, but it should be banned in tournaments for obvious reasons.
That’s like scufs vs regular controllers. If you’re really about it. You invest.
Take note that this is not only apply to osu standard players. Many players in other game modes.
Taiko players will be able to easily DT oni diffs
Catch players will be able to stream jumps to the point at par with ExGon skill's (even if ExGon will do this if he wants to.)
and also Mania players will easily breeze more PP from DT'ing from the maps like Tiefsee.
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I think that wooting keyboard just removes the limit of how fast you can stream, and if you were able to stream 400 bpm but your keyboard locks it into 280 this keyboard from wooting just removes it
I never thought my keyboard was THAT special, I pre-ordered the wooting two lekker edition a bit back when it was still available from a friend’s recommendation, and I never really thought much of it until now.
Not an OSU! Player but as someone that's plays most games at a highly competitive level, i thought that buying the best tech to perform at the highest level is a fairly common practise?
I still don't know why anyone would be pissed for anyone wanting to buy better equipment to do better.
its actually the same for the otical switch. no full released is required to activate one
I think with the recent announcements of the multiple rapid trigger capable keypads will completely remove the "wooting/rapid trigger is cheating" because the people that couldn't get the wooting keyboards before will have rapid trigger. It also helps that the rapid trigger capable keypads that have been popping up so far are more affordable than most of the keypads that people were using before.
Those switches are actually gonna be so awesome for things like racing games were people prefer Controller for making more precise turns, i hope this technology gets less expensive as time goes on as it is very cool
6:37 Fuck yeah Khz is doing it arleady what a chad
love the idea of these switches for clone hero
Ah yes finally a keyboard that makes my fingers have a less chance of getting carpal tunnel
this happened a while back with fortnite where wooting keyboards allowed for better movement
0:15 can spin 3x faster with a tenth of the effort on tablet compared to mouse, but yea
So it’s like a hit box in fighting games. When hard ware gives you an advantage
imagine what will happen when we switch to using neural interfaces
1:18 I fucking hate pen buttons. They have blocked me from completing some good plays. Example: Yesterday I was about to fc a map and went hard on the spinner but I hit my pen button which paused and since I drag I clicked restart and restarted my play at the end.
I own one of these, and while the rapid trigger is fun to mess around with sometimes, it actually makes me worse at speed. Though it could just be incompatibility with my technique (I bottom out).
I imagine that if I wanted to actively use it, I would probably have to change the way I tap. It would be akin to adjusting to a new tablet area or aspect ratio, and I'm not really that willing to change my tapping technique just to use the feature.
The biggest perk of the keyboard in my opinion is the ridiculously low latency (especially since my old keyboard had ~20-30ms), and the adjustable actuation point. I tend to bottom out on my switches with every press so I was able to set the actuation point to very close to where I bottom out, that way I sync the tactile feedback I get with the actual hitsound.
In that aspect it's made my accuracy much more consistent, especially with HR. Even though I find rapid trigger pretty useless, I still love the keyboard and highly recommend :)
TLDR; Not a cheat keyboard, this keyboard unlocks peoples full potential after being limited by pesky subpar keyboards
Your accuracy probably gets worse because the keystroke is a few milliseconds early than normal and in a rhythm game those milliseconds matter
The main way to dismiss any of the arguments that the keyboard is unfair is to point at monitors. Everyone knows that having a monitor with a 144hz+ refresh rate gives you a significant advantage than having one with 60hz, which back in the beginning of osu!, 60hz was the norm. As time went on, higher refresh rate monitors became more common place and NO ONE was arguing that it was cheating when it is the same exact type of advantage this keyboard gives. Overtime, I think we will see more keyboards like the wooting become commonplace as well and even at cheaper price points, and people will just have to accept that shift the same way we accepted 144hz and higher monitors.
it sounds dumb but I remember when this keyboard used to be really popular for double/360 movement which was removed from fortnite. but this was like 1 - 2 years ago i think
Even if you have the fastest hardware, there will come a point where your skill will eventually plateau. People will eventually catch up to you, because there will always be better competition.
meta does change period
I don't see any difference between this and tablets and faster monitors.
Well, time to make this switch and try it I guess :/
wonder what it feels like on other games
Also cool video! I think I might subscribe and watch your other content now
me, who uses purely tablet and thus wouldn't benefit from this at all: oh cool good for them
ngl this is being very blown out i get that alot of speed players will use this to get better scores but the thing is we already had very very very light press switches like silvers and others so its not going to change much past peoples preference and skill cap
Definitely not cheating. The way I see it, all keyboards should function this way. You shouldn't be constrained by manufacturer limitations at all. It's no different than those touch-pad things people were using that allowed instant resets for on/off if you were fast enough, this just puts it on a keyboard. IMO it makes more sense to have a keyboard function this way and you aren't crippled by product limitations. This is a good thing. If it's popular enough it will get cheaper and the technology will expand to be more competitive. This is a good thing.
well when you think about it its just a keyboard with more accurate feedback
its good but not better in my opinion
its like the touchpad keyboard
its different
the "better" part depend on you
i'm laptop player btw lol
Is this wooting keyboard giving an impact that is something like the hitbox in the fighting game community?
me as an aim player who basically never goes over 180 bpm: I need this keyboard.
SAVE ME IM TRAPPED IN A VILE WORLD
Wait Wait your literally saying so the keyboard gives pros the ability to stream faster and also they dont need to worry about finger locking but yes the keyboard doesnt give them any adventage like bro wtf ?
I'mma be real it's very busted. You can vibro without draining your stamina. It makes vibro tolerable. I own one of these and think it's OP. Was with first batch. 😂
There are obviously objectively better peripherals.
i got the wooting right before it became popular
Me who using a laptop keyboard:
-This is interesting
Nah. I don’t need cheese to stream 180 bpm.. pfff.
The oldest known weapons are stone tipped spears and arrows now we have nukes and guns. basically wooting kbs are simply just an advancement of kb technology. so stop complaining its not like your going to go from 200 to 330 bpm from a fucking kb the players utilizing them already had form skill and talent so what's wrong with them using them to achieve their maximum speed
I’m bought this keyboard and can now stream 200bpm.
lol
I was going to buy one after this video then saw its 170 dollars
thats me in the video
I did you dirty in the beginning I'm sorry, it was intended to be a joke. I hope you enjoyed the video nonetheless!
@@n3rdiness yeah i know but you were right anyway and it did have like 12 upvotes until it got popular all of a sudden 💀
awesome video thanks for making it
Or you can stop using mech keyboards with huge travel distance and use a flat apple like keyboard and have a really short travel distance to click faster ...
Windowlife is living proof you don't need wooting
Common sense is also a good way of figuring out whether you need it but yeah
literally any speed player in the top 50 prior to a few months ago
that's not what he's saying in the video
osu is kind of crazy nowdays, imagine if windowlife is the second coming of vaxei
they have apex pro tho, that's basically wooting made by steelseries. (btw i don't mean that he doesn't have speed skills, i just poited out what kb they have)
US/Western European osu! players: NOOO I MUST HAVE THE BEST EQUIPMENT FOR MAXIMUM PERFORMANCE
Eastern European/South American players: Ah yes, two rocks, the ideal gaming setup XDDD
precisely verto
there are tons of brazilian 3 digits which don't even have a mechanical keyboard
FGSky: Pillow
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Membrane boards will forever be goated.
Cheap, somewhat reliable and quiet.
ATTang (droptable) used membrane boards for YEARS. Most of the mind blowing scores he's set were thanks to a KR office board
I think he used to buy them (or still buys them) in bulk lol
Asian: chopsticks
Sounds completely fine to me. Maybe I’ll pick one up in the future. We improved from membrane switches, players used the tablet instead of the mouse. Hardware has changed and improved for the better. Original tweeter was just non-sensical. Generally, one human input = one output sounds fine
I feel like the gap between mouse and tablet is almost non existent anymore nowadays you have more mouse players than ever reaching the top and playing in owc
It's just that the community is larger so there's bound to be people who think differently. It's true; hardware innovation has almost definitely aided the overall skill cap in osu
Was really curious about this keyboard, thanks for making a vid on it :)
yeah, interested to see how this would affect speed, speedjacks and especially vibro within mania though especially. could definitely see it being huge within high level gameplay
@@nebulakz I’ve seen some Vibro gameplay and it’s funny.
@@Kibitz mashing to the limit
so much respect for the amount of editing / clip hunting that you put into even non-"feature length" videos such as this one
Wooting keyboard will be very comfortable. Whether you like it or not it will not increase your speed by any significant margin, but as mentioned in the video it should improve your stability on a bpm you can allready stream. Sounds like very good deal for any stream main, if you ask me.
200 dollars for extra consistentcy? Not worth it imo
@@Emerald_Forge such a casual take.
@@Alice_Fumo ik but 200 dollars is a lot of money even if you're really into the game this keyboard isn't going to make you happy or make the game more enjoyable or even make you significantly better so go spend it on something that will make you happy instead
@@Emerald_Forge Casual takes are fine.
@@Emerald_Forge thats actually not alot for most keyboard enthusiasts
2:25 "a new keyboard does not affect your current skill whatsoever"
no, it can totally affect your skill immensely though. like, switching a bad keyboard that has anything like input delay, uncomfortable form factor or generally bad build quality to a solid and good board can result in an immediate improvement (and a massive one at that)
overall at some point in life people will 100% get so fast that they will be limited by the keyboards actuation points, so in reality there will be a need for this kind of keyboard
Wooting keyboard made my brain remember of my fortnite days when this exactly thing happen. Pro-players bought the WootingKB to abuse of a feature that had been removed from regular keyboards, and they sold out in 2 weeks. Just seeing these two exact same situations spark a possibility that more analogic keyboards and switches start to appear. For osu!, I always disliked the idea of "one rewardable" playstyle, like the speed meta nowadays, and the dt1tricks 2 years ago. A lot of things will change in a very short time, and it will be fun to watch as always :)
I had the Wooting Two HE for nearly a year now and it has been the best keyboard for any game you could think of. The software feature Rapid Trigger literally can give you a REAL competitive advantage.
when wooting releases a 2% for osu the flood gates will open
omg. this is a no brainer winning product. Though dream scenario we can buy woot switches on their own, though thats probably a longshot
and when gateron releases the lekker switches the wooting stock will go
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i have an old wooting one that i use for osu, as of writing this, it doesn’t support rapid trigger. However, being able to change where the actuation is helps a ton and because of how the switch works (contactless optical switch) the switches will never start chattering.
I've noticed with every new innovation that allows people to do something they couldn't do before or it makes it easier, there are those who are upset because maybe they feel everyone should suffer the learning curve they did idk it's really weird those people, kinda like those guys who find a really good restaurant and won't share it publicly, or those weird music niches that when someone finds the song that little community gets mad in a weird way
basically conservatives but in the gaming community
i must admit that i am that kind of person that doesn't want to tell all people immidieately if i find something precious. If people find it they will firstly most likely ruin it, make it more expensive, make it cringe and so on. It will lose its specialty. Also lets say i tell a person something and later distrust them then i wouldn't like for that person to know something that is special to me. Also there is an aspect that is like where you feel like you deserve to be credited because you were the first. Idk it is quiet weird, but about wooting i think it is very nice that innovation comes out and i don't really find i have any of these feelings towards technical improvements.
@@ExperimentalKana yeah that first part just sounds like you grew up on the internet, but like the worst places possible, sry bout that
I've just updated my keyboard to gateron reds which are incredibly smooth and light, I don't want to spend money for another miniscule upgrade. By the way, I always compare myself to old cookiezi's interview, when he said that he can stream 240 long streams on his cherry mx keyboard. I am not on the same level yet, that means the skill issue is only my fault but not of my devices
I've been using this keyboard for quite sometime now to improve my typing speed since it allowed me to do softer press and I never knew it could be use in osu this way.
wooting was never an unfair advantage, it simply just harnessed the full potential of speed players by allowing them to move their fingers as little as possible. In the same way that tablets are the dominant input method in the upper ranks of osu! the rapid trigger function is going to be the same necessity to stay competitive within the top ranks, there will of course be exceptions, but for the most part everyone is going to want switches with rapid trigger.
This keyboard would also help a lot of mania players as well ngl lol
Wooting is not cheating. It's pay to win
This reminds me of the new maps that are getting ranked that are 12 stars and more. The players will be able to reach that star rating but to do so there is also a need in new equipment that’ll give them the ability to do so. It’s not just the player that needs to improve. I believe this keyboard is one step closer to the “impossible” (as the fixed mindset comments would say) of the new super insane ranked maps. We are going in the right direction accepting this because it will help us get closer to insane scores like a 12 star triumph pass. More insane players are rising and more insane maps are being added to the ranked leaderboards that cannot be played with outdated equipment. This keyboard is great for the future of osu.
Correct me if I am wrong. But honestly, these innovations might be safer. Less force may mean less strain on the fingers and wrist.
It is basically a keyboard with dynamic key travel.
I feel like I would mess up more with it cus I have super heavy tapping. I mean yeah, it'll help finger locking but idk im rank 68k lol
if you are techy
it was like cpu gpu thing
once your gpu too powerfull the cpu will start bottlenecking and thus fps dips(just like how fingelocking does in osu or feetlocking does in ddr) same also hapens if the cpu is too powerfull your gpu will tanking up and cause lower fps than it should be(we can say this is as if player who are pros using crappy phripherals,they cant fully utilised their power wich again bottlenecking hapens)
What’s crazy is that rapid trigger doesn’t even seem like a hardware thing. Theoretically any analog switch should be able to do it with a software update, no? I don’t know why more keyboards with similar hardware to wooting aren’t copying features that are almost entirely software.
Is macro illegal for that? You can't just wack your keyboard until it broke dude 🤣 what kind of game is that lol.
I think that the biggest L for the wooting right now is its literally the only option on the market right now, and it's like $200, which basically means a lot of players can't get it. On the bright side, considering that you said it'd sold out for the foreseeable future, im sure competitors will come eventually, and as the price lowers, it'll be viewed as something like a 60 hz monitor vs a 240 hz monitor or a mechanical keyboard vs a rubber one
Wooting would be stupid not to release a 2k keyboard or the actual switch
@@urbanumbra6170 They can't sell analog switches because it's incompatible with standard keyboard PCBs. It doesn't actuate via a leaf spring mechanism, Lekker switches use magnets.
@@J7T800 didnt even think of that, still they better make a 2k before another company steals all their customers
@@urbanumbra6170 they probably won't do that. It's not a keyboard for enthusiasts, because a lot of the customization just isn't there with the hall effect switches, but it does provide an advantage in gaming. A ~200$ board with its features is competitive in the gaming space. The fact that it is backordered so heavily shows that they picked the right spot for it.
@@J7T800 plus the HE sensor is actually on the main board afaik and the switch just has the magnet and spring
saying using the wooting is cheating is like saying a mechanical keyboard is cheating vs a membrane keyboard. Its just a different method of play that is new.
got this keyboard just before this big controversy happened and i feel so lucky
i play mania instead of std and the keyboard just feel so much more comfortable and is faster
also for accuracy in mania the tachyon speed mode is amazing since it gives you a -1.4 ms delay which is really good for accuracy
I don't think its a cheater keyboard i just think its a great keyboard and gives players the chance to show their full potential
I think this is similar to higher refresh rate monitors or low input lag peripherals for FPS they're all innovations that help pro players unlock their full potential but they also don't make a normal player into a pro.
This is basically like when someone runs with and without a backpack. They were always able to achieve their pace, they just had a something limiting them from doing it. The keyboard basically just unlocked that.
Well it's actually because normal keyboards are bottlenecked by their reset point. After all. If you click the switch and it doesn't activate how tf is that supposed to be good, at any point. Like in the demonstration. I always thought of having a keyboard that's like a controller for playing car games and not only having 1 input. On and off. But no OSU
My man said $400 Dollars is Cheap
pay to win :O i cant afford tablet nor this keyboard, so i will stay bottom rank forever!!!
I've heard about analog keyboards a while ago, always wanted to get one for FPS games. So I can slowly peak around corners instead of tapping at inconsistent speeds.
mrekk got 1300pp play with the wooting keyboard!
wooting is gotta be omega rich from osu players buying this one keyboard
While I usually love your videos, this video felt more like a clickbait news-article.
Most of the video was you repeating the same thing, like 6 times, but then slowly getting a little more into the topic.
I don't think there's anything wrong with the topic, or videos about drama/news.
I'd appreciate it if you take a look at your format, maybe something else would be nicer?
Besides that, I really enjoy your videos, so keep up the amazing work.
Seems like you're using 3kliksphilip's footage to illustrate the keyboard at some point, you should probably credit him!
He put it in the video description.
I’d love if this feature was more accessible, maybe in a keypad or something so I could try it but I really don’t think I’d help most osu players playstyle. If you wanna call it cheating the only thing this keyboard cheats in is holding turn angles in trackmania
Everyone who thinks wooting is busted is coping so hard focus on yourself and stop saying your keyboard is holding you back
The problem is my key caps are mx cherry brown switches while the wooting has better switches than mine.
well just for osu but for keyboard fanatic it's actually a very good sounding keyboard and game changing for fps. The Company is coming towards a storm fight with Steel Series with Omni point switches. Yes I know the keyboard is very expensive costing $220 total with shipping tax.
It's not cheese it's just better technology
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wooting keyboards can actually say how much kps you actually got without the normal type of keyboard presses meaning you can press as fast as you can and it will register
Imagine a top osu mania player with wooting keyboard
@@sihamhamda47 well you don't got to next year if they pre order the 200 buck keyboard
@@xenonxan184 Nah, I just a noob osu player that mainly play CTB/osu catch at normal difficulty selection, so I don't need those keyboard. I just play it fine with my laptop
@@sihamhamda47 you don't need em to play good but it will give a pretty decent advantage to those that do have it
@@xenonxan184 I understand
i don't even play osu tf am i watching 💀
How does this effect Mania? It seems like a gamemode designed around tapping fast would be the most impacted but does it lose acc or just increase tap/mash speed?
Just increase tap speed, tho for mania I'd say it may have a problem of being too sensitive
There are vibro patterns you have to jitter your hands on the keyboard.
Its kind of funny, around 1,5 years ago i bought the ProX touchpad (that one keypad with 2 copper plates instead of keys). After about 1 day of playing with it and getting slightly used to it, I just gained a flat 20bpm increase to my streaming, and also more stamina. After a week or 2, my fingercontrol also got like a flat bump. I could do maps I coudnt previously play at all to a point where It wasnt just regular incremental skill improvement.
With that keypad you can also kind of "vibro" stream, since there is no travel distance, just a plate. Ofcourse if you dont lift your finger enough then you will just hold the note. Now its not really an issue since vibroing with it isnt viable anyway. Like with any other keyboard, there is no accuracy in doing it, but its even more pronounced with the ProX. Also, since no force is required for input, you just get more stamina (that is ofcourse, after you get used to the thing).
Im really suprised there was no drama surrounding this keypad. Maybe people just didnt have the patience for the 5-10 hour adjustment period needed to get used to it and thus get the benefits.
I’ve been using one of these wooting keyboards for over a year now, (The limited “lekker edition” came out early, around April/May 2021) and there was NOT a significant jump in any skills in osu. It actually took me a couple weeks to get used to the keyboard before I was able to surpass my performance on my old keyboard. To be honest I don’t really notice the rapid trigger too much and if rapid trigger did make a significant difference it likely would’ve been noticed when the lekker edition came out.
Gi back to the normal keyboad than, please, state here if there is a difference in how you can stream
Also, switch intermittently your wooting between the average keyboard
@@SeleverEnjoyer it might be true that this person didn't experience a jump in skill. There's also players that didn't improve after getting a 144hz+ monitor for example. That doesn't really take away from others who do see improvement though does it
And you are not a top player.
Sytho were nowhere near close streaming 270, now he streams 310👍
All cuz he can buy a 200$ keyboard.
If this was free, it would be fair. However it's not.
You are buying real, and very noticable advantage.
And so, what if someone are not able to afford a 200$ keyboard, or it's not even available in their country?
I would look at you, if you were a top speed player, that is trying to compete, and then some guy that was years of work behind just buys a keyboard and now hes better.
ive had a very differfent experience than yours when i got my rapid trigger keyboard i got better instantly, i guess we are all different
I actually told my friend like 7 months ago that this keyboard might be broken on osu! and he tought it wouldnt matter
this feels like geometry dash all over again when they find out higher hertz monitors made them better at the game.
let's see where that goes in osu now...
God that's a throw back, as a permanent 60hz player I had no problems with hard demons which is where I gave up on improvement, though not gonna lie after trying 144 later on for the first time I almost creamed.
This could be huge for osu mania
I come from a community where people complain about BOXX or Hitbox controllers over a console controller in fighting games, where there's are massive differences that actually warrant bans in competitive play in some tournaments.
This keyboard is nothing in comparison. This board will NOT instantly make you better so seeing people bitch and complain is odd to me.
Ok so... It makes what u can do sorta already more consistent? Great... So that keyboard would probably actually fkn help me :)))))))))
bro people getting mad at a hardware evolutions that allows players to actually be more consistent. ITS LITTERALLY SKILL ITS JUST A HARDWARE CHANGE AND HELPED WITH FINGERLOCK IVE KNOWN ABOUT THIS GODDAMN THE OSU COMMUNITY IS TOXIC