Would appreciate if you guys have a trail sure for review that you evaluate it for trails and not „complain“ around for road situations isn’t really helpful.
A lot of Australian trail races are a mix of fire trail, single track and occasional road. Doesn’t usually get overly technical. If they’re a speedier/even marginally grippier version of the 36 then they should be perfect.
@@morganflockhart942 I live pretty much on the UTA course and my preference for fire trails/“gentle” single track up here is actually the streakfly. So long as it’s not steep, rocky or wet. Not sure why Nike couldn’t slim these down to a more race like weight. I’ve still ordered a pair though so 🤷♂️
@@randomknowitall Nice I nearly bought the streakfly imagine them with 3mm Vibram I’m in Cairns a lot of our trails are technical roots & rocks rainforest etc but I’ve still ordered them 😂 might run road to trail in them ( mellow trails) or bring them down to UTA would love to do the 21 or 50🤔
@@morganflockhart942 mine arrived. Have to say, super comfortable walking around. Feel like the invincible. I’d say they’re heavier because they have a pretty wide somewhat Hoka-ish footprint. So that’s a lot of foam underfoot. And despite having a pretty wide toe box they don’t feel loose at the front like the Peg Trail 4 GTX did. I found with those my foot would be slipping around a bit after a while. Lug depth looks pretty underwhelming but if they’re sticky enough it won’t matter unless it gets wet. Was tempted to do a track session in them but I’ll give them a test on the trails later this week.
Did 100k ultra yesterday with this, so Prose; wide toe box, Vibram grip, zoom X rubber. Cons; plate to stiff, shit heel lock, lacers system is either to tight or to loose No good lock, and white! What are they thinking making a trail shoe White!?
I'll stick to the Endorphin Edge given price point, better lugs, and like over an ounce lighter. I don't get the point of it if it's like only good for rail trail racing but it's over 10oz for a 9. I'd just wear a road shoe for something like that and the Endorphin Edge seems better lugs and way lighter for real trails but still has a high stack of super foam and plate.
Really like the look of the shoe but it would not work on the trails I run on. The studs would need to be 4.5/5mm and it’s heavy for a race day shoe. It’s a shame I was looking forward to trying this one out.
Im returning the Ultrafly's - I tried them out on a short 10k trail but have decided that i can't justify the cost versus the versatility of the shoe plus, they're way too heavy - going to purchase Edge, UK Winters can get pretty muddy rendering this shoe next to useless on the trails. Shame as they look nice and they're very comfortable. They'd make really comfy outdoor slippers though :)
Mine arrived yesterday! Got a 10 mile X-country event this weekend and I cannot wait to try them out!!! Lots of Nike bashing going on so far from what I've seen on YT but personally I'm hyped for this 👌
Thanks for the review , running shoe junkies will lap this shoe up. However I have to say running a 7 hours 50K or longer off roads no thanks. We can get the brilliant NNormal Tomir for £140 (with a recycling / re sole option) or the dependable speedgoat 5 also £100 less. (both with Vibram outsoles). Road shoe with small lugs. It is a shoe for the few individuals who can manage sub 9 minute miles over 50-100 miles Imo. I deffo will never be one of them.
@@JohnBirtchetSharpe I would of been really interested in purchasing them myself has I do want to try and be sustainable like I am with my my hiking boots . Going to do a little more research on if there is something in the U.K. that could do the task of resole a runner like the nnormal shoes.
I agree that it’s really hard to get a good foot lock on those. I was too running on technical trails and couldn’t feel any confidence with my feet sliding inside the shoes.
Adidas cold ready for me because I don't live in Yellowstone Park, i just have some unpaved road with the little pebbles and a hill to zigzag up to no need for full blown trail shoe. The outsole of trail shoes wears down faster on regular asphalt.
Actually I like red so much, I'd give it a RED ❤ Another Park Run shoe Maybe a fire road But if some hills start... they may also end (fast & furious downhill)! This shoe is game changer? Game over ! Next (time) please
So you’re telling me up here in Rocksylvania they won’t be the best race shoe? I love the new Wildhorse 8 and the Zegama up here unless it’s wet! Imagine one of those with the vibram!!
I was wanting a shoe for mainly walking on concrete paths and bitumen but I also would be using it on dirt trails and light trail use. Do you think this would be a good choice?
I have both shoes and ultrafly is softer than zegama. Forefront is only bit better than heel bounce is noticeably better. If you are looking for a soft trail I would take a look at nb fuel cell trail.
Just renewed my road and trail shoes for 2023 the last three weeks by 16 new top of the line pairs, but might get this one as it seems interesting. But are really waiting for the Adidas trail monster with fun-foam (if it releases before 2024). Great review as always. Your reviews have contributed to many of my recent 👟 purchases. 👍
Sounds like a shoe for buffed out trails only. Maybe something fast like Western States but definitely not UTMB. To use this as a road shoe is just plain ridiculous. I mean 250 euros... Then just buy Vaporflys. It should be Endorphin Edge price range.
Love to see Nike go under contract with Vibram finally. (Even though i think this was the year they finally figured out their outsole issues) its a big step forward and a kiger/ wildhorse with a vibram outsole could be a game changer!
@@codyrobinson5130 fire roads mostly in southern calironia with some mix of road... prob dont need a carbon fiber plate, but i do like to pick up the speeds
Yeah it’s a mitten rubber but apparently they’re worried about durability so they’ve gone with Vibram on this one The peg trail 4 GTX also had the new rubber!
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Next up: Nike Dragonfly review ran fully on the road.
You guys look baked as hell 😂
Lotta road talk for a trail shoe haha
Would appreciate if you guys have a trail sure for review that you evaluate it for trails and not „complain“ around for road situations isn’t really helpful.
Read the review online
Think I’ll pick them up just for road running.
Same, hope Nike continues to evolve on this design and makes the future generations of this shoe fit for the best of both worlds, both trail and road.
A lot of Australian trail races are a mix of fire trail, single track and occasional road. Doesn’t usually get overly technical. If they’re a speedier/even marginally grippier version of the 36 then they should be perfect.
😂 Yeah depends where you are geographically Far North Queenslands brutal!
@@morganflockhart942 I live pretty much on the UTA course and my preference for fire trails/“gentle” single track up here is actually the streakfly. So long as it’s not steep, rocky or wet.
Not sure why Nike couldn’t slim these down to a more race like weight. I’ve still ordered a pair though so 🤷♂️
@@randomknowitall Nice I nearly bought the streakfly imagine them with 3mm Vibram I’m in Cairns a lot of our trails are technical roots & rocks rainforest etc but I’ve still ordered them 😂 might run road to trail in them ( mellow trails) or bring them down to UTA would love to do the 21 or 50🤔
@@morganflockhart942 mine arrived. Have to say, super comfortable walking around. Feel like the invincible. I’d say they’re heavier because they have a pretty wide somewhat Hoka-ish footprint. So that’s a lot of foam underfoot. And despite having a pretty wide toe box they don’t feel loose at the front like the Peg Trail 4 GTX did. I found with those my foot would be slipping around a bit after a while.
Lug depth looks pretty underwhelming but if they’re sticky enough it won’t matter unless it gets wet.
Was tempted to do a track session in them but I’ll give them a test on the trails later this week.
Did 100k ultra yesterday with this, so
Prose; wide toe box, Vibram grip, zoom X rubber.
Cons; plate to stiff, shit heel lock, lacers system is either to tight or to loose No good lock, and white! What are they thinking making a trail shoe White!?
Congratulations on your 100k ultra! Thanks for the update after 100k on the shoes!
I'll stick to the Endorphin Edge given price point, better lugs, and like over an ounce lighter.
I don't get the point of it if it's like only good for rail trail racing but it's over 10oz for a 9. I'd just wear a road shoe for something like that and the Endorphin Edge seems better lugs and way lighter for real trails but still has a high stack of super foam and plate.
Come on Thomas! Full review of a massive trail shoe release…just ran on the road?! Get one of your trail reviewers on this 😂
We did. Go read the review
@@Believeintherun I will, but I did mean this review
I like that it's a Nike trail shoe that doesn't look like a retromod 80's or 90's shoe like all their others.
$340 in Canada.. hahahahahaha. No thanks my guy.
Really like the look of the shoe but it would not work on the trails I run on. The studs would need to be 4.5/5mm and it’s heavy for a race day shoe. It’s a shame I was looking forward to trying this one out.
Sounds like it would make a good bad weather training shoe for roads alot of my road routes have crap surfaces anyway
Like reviewing how a pickup truck handles city driving lol. Rare miss
$260 actually 🥵
Price a bit too steep for me ; but hopefully will go on sale at some point then could consider . Sounds like good shoe otherwise .
There should be some form of punishment for running that Megagrip rubber on the road.
3.5 mm lugs are the new 5mm lugs Tec X are only 4 mm Salomon UG 3.5 Kjerag S/Lab Pulsar and more are all low must be a trend 🤔 5mm is my ideal!
Like from Spain. Thanks for this information about the nike 2023. A nice weekend for everyone.
Im returning the Ultrafly's - I tried them out on a short 10k trail but have decided that i can't justify the cost versus the versatility of the shoe plus, they're way too heavy - going to purchase Edge, UK Winters can get pretty muddy rendering this shoe next to useless on the trails. Shame as they look nice and they're very comfortable. They'd make really comfy outdoor slippers though :)
is the energy return better on this compared to zegama bro?
@@NoName-cz5mg I've not tried the Zegama.
@@jeremygreenwood2668 can u tell me regarding ultrafly and invincible run?which one provides more energy return bro?
Did you notice it says on the midsole "designed to be fast AF"?! 😮😮 That's a nice touch 😆
At what time did you see that???
@@HaiLeQuang2:12, medial side of the heel
Yeah, it's pretty rad!
Mine arrived yesterday! Got a 10 mile X-country event this weekend and I cannot wait to try them out!!! Lots of Nike bashing going on so far from what I've seen on YT but personally I'm hyped for this 👌
Thanks for the review , running shoe junkies will lap this shoe up. However I have to say running a 7 hours 50K or longer off roads no thanks. We can get the brilliant NNormal Tomir for £140 (with a recycling / re sole option) or the dependable speedgoat 5 also £100 less. (both with Vibram outsoles). Road shoe with small lugs. It is a shoe for the few individuals who can manage sub 9 minute miles over 50-100 miles Imo. I deffo will never be one of them.
Regarding the Tomir , There is no resole option for the U.K. on there recommendations on the NNormal site
@@gothicgorey Thanks for the clarification 🙂
@@JohnBirtchetSharpe I would of been really interested in purchasing them myself has I do want to try and be sustainable like I am with my my hiking boots .
Going to do a little more research on if there is something in the U.K. that could do the task of resole a runner like the nnormal shoes.
I agree that it’s really hard to get a good foot lock on those.
I was too running on technical trails and couldn’t feel any confidence with my feet sliding inside the shoes.
It’s $260 USD shown on Nike’s website. $10 increase.
As a daily shoe i want one. Haha. But a $250 daily shoe is 🤯😅
Wrong coulor for trail.. For me, some dark colorway 💪
Can I run a trail 5k in this?
2 road runners who's trying to review a Trail Shoe. Yeah that's Blasphemy alright.
Adidas cold ready for me because I don't live in Yellowstone Park, i just have some unpaved road with the little pebbles and a hill to zigzag up to no need for full blown trail shoe. The outsole of trail shoes wears down faster on regular asphalt.
Actually I like red so much, I'd give it a RED ❤
Another Park Run shoe
Maybe a fire road
But if some hills start... they may also end (fast & furious downhill)!
This shoe is game changer?
Game over !
Next (time) please
So you’re telling me up here in Rocksylvania they won’t be the best race shoe? I love the new Wildhorse 8 and the Zegama up here unless it’s wet! Imagine one of those with the vibram!!
It’s lock down issues because it was modelled after the Nike invincible 😂
Nike took this long to realise that their outsole grip is rubbish & forcing them to use a vibram outsole 🙄
Hold up - OG vaporfly next upper and a durable outsole? This is an all rounder 💯
50 - 100 miles in heavy shoes. Riightt 🙄
In your opinion what is the best road to trail shoe right now .
I was wanting a shoe for mainly walking on concrete paths and bitumen but I also would be using it on dirt trails and light trail use. Do you think this would be a good choice?
if you’re just walking, this is way overkill
How does the ZoomX midsole perform compared to the midsole in the Zegama? I really hated that midsole it was way to firm and dense
I have both shoes and ultrafly is softer than zegama. Forefront is only bit better than heel bounce is noticeably better. If you are looking for a soft trail I would take a look at nb fuel cell trail.
Awesome video guys thanks for the content
When is this one hitting the stores?
Just renewed my road and trail shoes for 2023 the last three weeks by 16 new top of the line pairs, but might get this one as it seems interesting. But are really waiting for the Adidas trail monster with fun-foam (if it releases before 2024). Great review as always. Your reviews have contributed to many of my recent 👟 purchases. 👍
Is there a release date for the US?
$260 Casual Shoe.
Sounds like an excellent shoe to bring with me when I am traveling
For sure
Good for XC racing?
hmmm, interesting
Did Thomas suffer a wild Coyote attack on his arm?
Yes. Got attacked by a dog.
@@Believeintherun Hopefully that dog will be muzzled now at the very least.
Sounds like a shoe for buffed out trails only. Maybe something fast like Western States but definitely not UTMB. To use this as a road shoe is just plain ridiculous. I mean 250 euros... Then just buy Vaporflys. It should be Endorphin Edge price range.
Love to see Nike go under contract with Vibram finally. (Even though i think this was the year they finally figured out their outsole issues) its a big step forward and a kiger/ wildhorse with a vibram outsole could be a game changer!
these or the norda 002?
You want a carbon plate or a flexible shoe? I think there's a place for both. But I've reeeeally enjoying the norda 002
And also - another point to consider. Would you be running more flat / fire road trail or more mountainous terrain.
@@codyrobinson5130 fire roads mostly in southern calironia with some mix of road... prob dont need a carbon fiber plate, but i do like to pick up the speeds
The Price doesn't do justice. I read it was worn by one of the top male finishers in the Western States 100.
Nike's in-house rubber is actually good this year (on the Wildhorse 8 and Kiger 9)
Yeah it’s a mitten rubber but apparently they’re worried about durability so they’ve gone with Vibram on this one The peg trail 4 GTX also had the new rubber!