StarCraft 2: CRAZY STRATS - Astrea's Builds SHOULD NEVER work!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 20 มี.ค. 2024
- Best-of-3 series of professional StarCraft 2 from the ESL Open Cup between Astrea and MeomaikA. All games in this series of SC2 are played on the brand-new tournament maps. Picture of Astrea on the thumbnail of this video is from IEM Katowice 2022 and owned by ESL.
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"Hydras one of the worst units"
Hydras: say what?
Enemy a few seconds later: GG
no one expects the hydra inquisition
One day we will find out what Lowko deems worthy to write home about. But not today.
He writes home about Reynor losing.
As a Terran main with flying structures that can hold SCVs, I see that first map as an absolute win.
That second game is a prime example of the biggest and oldest truth of SC2: The ultimate counter is "more stuff." Stalkers may not counter Zergling/Ravager all that hard, but *more* Stalkers do!
That is not some golden rule that applies all the time. Think mass Thor would counter mass Ling?
@@kommisar. If you have more Thors than they do lings yeah
@@TrixterTheFemboythis genuinely made me laugh out loud
Guessing LC = Ladder Candidate
It’s standard language for software to be named RC for release candidate
I love how the moment Lowko speak about the supply lead at 32:55 a few seconds later the epic music kicks in. x)
And I am looking forward to the futur matches on these maps. :)
Thanks for casting. ^^
15:45 that high ground is actually such a cool feature on this map, the interaction it generates lends itself to really fierce battles, like some besieged medieval city keeping the enemy at bay with a skeleton crew of defenders
Personally, I get why the pros like similiar maps so they can perfect their micro and macro skills over having to learn maps, but I think that having different and more complicated maps are better for everyone. It encourages more diverse strategies, using different units that are less ideal on paper and better seperates who is both highly skilled in technical skill but also capable of on the fly thinking and adaptability.
I know it's basically impossible, but I wish more than anything all the maps were perfectly balanced.
"*Astrea's Builds SHOULD NEVER work!*" Well, when your opponent builds exactly *zero* creep tumors, it turns out quite a few strategies will work well!
Back in my Starcraft days, the only build order you needed to know was to mass hydras.
practically unstable, especially on a Fastest map
I wonder if it's gonna be possible to "kidnap" drones to the other side of the golden base on Dynasty with reaper grenades
Getting just enough wifi at the hospital to watch the daily release and escape boredom
Thanks Lowko
I played yesterday a match on Radhuset Station. My first game since the new maps. It was one of the most exciting games for quite some time. ZvZ with real strategies. Not just Ling or Roach wars.
I think people underestimate hydras because they're fairly small and fragile, but they can dish out a lot of damage at a decent range.
The quick attack speed in particular means they waste a lot less time than slower attacking units like roaches on overkill, while roaches and lings mixed in will get in front and tank.
without their attack range upgrade they get killed off before they shoot
without their speed upgrade they get killed off before they shoot
with both these upgrades they get killed off because you lost all your money and now numbers are not on your side
reducing their damage to 10 (+2 to light) and removing the lair requirement will make hydras much more viable, possibly broken (but i don't think anyone but Solar/Serral/Reynor/Dark can make zerg look OP anyway)
Yeah, compared to SC1 hydras or even early SC2 hydras they are fairly weak, like 50 hp less, but in large groups they still pack a wallop. And they are the only Zerg ground unit that can attack both ground and air directly (not counting queens).
@@cyberkekosis They are a glass cannon unit, which the other races have as well. You have Terran with their Siege Tanks and Protoss with their Colossi. You're supposed to have a balance of units to tank and micro them effectively. They and these other units were never meant to just A move into a battle.
there is a reason why pros almost never build hydras@@kommisar.
@@ObeliskM They do indeed build Hydras often. I don't know what games you have been watching....
Love the new maps. I'm hyped to see different tactics based on the played map. This will hopefully result in the late meta being a bit more diverse than usually.
Fresh maps feel like new socks and briefs! Love it!
Dynasty will create some wild sieges against the gold base. Imagine zerg slow pushing behind the minerals with creep, could be fun.
The new map pool is awesome. I like the elements it adds. Astrea highlighted some S tier defenses on the third game and how strong protoss can be.
I am enjoying these fights on new maps! Very interesting maps to give us - hopefully - more interesting matches.
In Britain, dynasty is indeed pronounced "din-es-tee" rather than "die-nes-tee", although it tends to be corrupted a bit and pronounced more like "din-es-dee", with the final syllable sounding half way between a D and T.
i would like to see you cast these guys more! they play such fun builds
New maps seem cool and healthy for pro scene
First couple of games I have watched on the new maps, and yes its a fresh view, so cant wait to see some world class pro's playing on it.
Astrea loves it scrappy. Fought really hard.
Win or lose, Astrea is my favorite player to watch.
It is an insta-click.
Love the maps!
You’re fine with Dynasty either way.
I really like the third map, Dynasty, especially the hybrid high geyser base
I feel like, in general, we're not gonna see people intentionally wait to take the DYNASTY gold until they can get the easy rich gas. The safety of the in base expansion plus the gold mineral boost to economy is too hard to pass. Unless you're going for a gas heavy build and decide to go for the double gases first, but even then I imagine most players still go for the quick/safe base on the normal gas side instead of waiting for the rich
Marines, medivac and seige tanks would be a broken rush on that map against zerg. Place one tank behind the mineral wall and I could see that being VERY hard to break.
Gold bases are typically far more harder and riskier to take and hold.
@@kommisar. Yeah that's very true! I did not think about the fact that this was a series when I made my comment, which made me explain myself very poorly.
It was the first map I meant. The one that reminded of golden aura. It looks like you can place a tank behind that mineral wall and have it covering a second tank even up to roach range while the secondary tank should be able to hit the bottom of the ramp to the natural for example.
I can see some interesting cheese strats for Terran with some potential.
I don't play starcraft anymore and it has been I do think 8 years ago. So I can't really test it out as I'm not nearly fast enough anymore and SC2 has gotten a lot faster since I played.
I played a bit serius right before the tanks got the "lift with a medivac while in seige mode". After that sh!t dropped I said f it. Not fun playing ling bane hydra into infestor ultra with libs and flying tanks everywhere. They also had these effed up maps where tanks could land above your base on at least one map.
Unorthodox maps aren't so much weird as they are exercises in creative map making. I remember reading something about changes to the Hydralisk's range and speed upgrades being too good while merged as one and that the only way to balance that playstyle was either to knock the Hydra's life down by 5 or have the upgrades seperate again since mass hydra timing attacks were setting fire to the ladder at any and all levels of MMR. I think it was in the middle of Heart of the Swarm, but I'm not entirely sure.
Swarm Hosts are, however, the worse unit Zerg can make. Sure, Locusts are insanely strong... and eventually turn into a net positive, but since the Swarm Host nerf, you'll never see anyone go mass Swarm Hosts. Remember how Snoot made a name for himself as a pro player thanks to mass Swarm Hosts builds? I do!
I loved this game. Love me some astraya
Guys, why Astrea doesnt move toward the enemy 3rd base during counter attack at ~14:20 ?
A chance to snipe the base and if something go wrong he can move South to escape
Hey man, lowko. Ever though about playing any of the command & conquer games?
You had me at you’re exposing these players
This 17 minutes charge upgrade in the last game lmao
Movement speed, vision, *and* blocks non-zerg structures from being built there
9:08 - you have a sloth on minimal
holy crap that last game was painful. Meomaika, you need to work on basics my guy.
Hey lowko, is it a problem if you only use Brood War music for some episodes, to spice things up?
Ladder consideration.
Someone explain to me what Meomaika was thinking harassing the gold base in game 3 when it was basically mined out. Terrible strategy overall.
lowko, quick math question. How man yyears are there in 2016-2019 ?
its 4 years btw not 3
What do you guys think about a feature to “upgrade” micro at some universal AI building? Helps lower lever players by having AI micro for you in three different tiers, and it’s balanced because it’s minerals and gas that have to be invested into a new building and upgrade.
Astrea rules! Go, USA!
Amazing set of games. Love to see the great American hope out here killing it! Definitely want to see more on these maps. Very fun SC2.
These maps are beautiful! Weird is good. Most starcraft players arnt pro gamers, and watching/playing standard maps gets really boring.
Let's go!
i wonder how broken protoss would become if they had a separate upgrade at the robo bay and fleet beacon for Stargates and Robo Facilities to basically be warpgates
That would be extremely OP. Just think if players could warp in 5 immortals or colossi. Or tempest.
I don't think the carriers would be as annoying, as they need time to build up the fleet, but it could still happen much sooner.
It would make protoss exceptionally good at adapting to zerg and could annihilate zerg and terran
Hmm... fly a Warp Prism in and warp in a couple of Colossi... goodbye mineral line!
35 sekonds dammmm
LC = Ladder Candidate
I never really agree with the strict playstlye build orders. You can youtube a bunch regular people beating pros with goofy strats.
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I still think metalopolis is the best map
Việt Nam muôn năm!!!
Say 'example' again a lot, please. :)
dissappointed by 3rd game. why no lurkers? why muta in front fight? I mean i guess i'm used to the highest quality SC2, but all this looks not like top pro gamer. it looked like just high ladder.
#1 usa = doesn't break top 10 in korea
Sry i am late
Astrea! Holding it down for the americans. I like to imagine hes from florida too
Petition to stop spoiler shields cause what you are spoiling
Nah f that we need them. The top comment always gives crap away
It's more engaging if we don't know the outcome.
YOU SHOULD CAST AND COMMENTATE THE TYSON VS JAKE PAUL FIGHT FOR FUN!!!!
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That third game shows everything wrong with the matchup. the guy just spams roaches permanently amoves permanently doesnt defend anything at all, takes massive amounts of damage, takes fights that are absolutely atrocious.
Doesnt have the brain to understand he can easily go to 80 drone count if he has astrea pinned back, instead just keeps massing roaches and attacks at narrow chokes with battery cannons everywhere.
yet is allowed to remax 3 times, doing absolutely nothing. but spam R and amove. Half the time doesnt even focus fire the battery overcharged, yet commits when he cant even kill a single unit cuz of overcharge.
Like wtf am i watching? the devolution of sc2?
And this is fighting astrea?
Astrea even lost to a broken hydra timing added since last patch vs this type of player?
Like how far have we sunk.
Hydra's really only need one minor change to make them decent, make the Hydra Den NOT require a Hive to be built.
Everything else remains the same so the only difference is that full upgrade Hydra's are slightly faster to get out (the build speed of a Hive).
That would mean you could start with un-upgraded Hydra's if you wanted as well.