Someone said they think JJ is trying to set Charlie up to take the blame for sexually abusing Frankie 👀 But I think his "flirting" comment was a slip up... he lost control for a moment and couldn't hide his jealousy.
These 2 younge actors have so much talent. I really hope *both* of them are getting good emotional and psych support behind the scenes after these incredibly intense scenes
JJ obviously needs help as well. Maybe not prison, mental help. Frankie is destroyed. Even if it stops. The damage has been done. She may not trust another male again. It's not happening in every family. It's a shame because she is a smart girl. He is getting inside her head.
JJ admitted it, but didn't admit to assaulting her, he said she wanted it. So pulling her hair was okay. Behind a public seating area, in the cold and dark was okay. He might still get away with it because of his age.
This except that she isn’t a person. I’ve been in Frankie’s exact situation, I was abused for 10 years by my friend who was more like a brother to me. And lived next door to my house. And we were only 3 days apart. Anyway to abusers victims are only objects, completely dehumanised of autonomy. It’s why abusers have so little empathy they don’t see there victims as people, it’s like we are just dolls who’s purpose is to please them. It’s why they never admit they’ve done anything wrong because they don’t believe that they have. They also have selfish empathy. They only have empathy based on how it affects them. If a victim’s emotions don’t effect there ability to abuse then they don’t care. He is fucked and my assumption is that he is like this for a few reasons. The main me is what is known as incest porn, and it is exactly as it sounds like. It is when twins have sex with each other now in porn it isn’t usually real twins, but it is common for many people to want to engage in threesomes with twins. And it’s is vile and repulsive and most of the time a fantas. But studies show children watching porn can irreversibly damage a child’s brain and view of sex. So the likelihood is that he watched porn and just acts out these fantasies with his sister. Kids don’t just pick this stuff up. It’s why parents should absolutely have parental control of a child’s internet access. Another is that Suzanne he hasn’t had a strong man in the house, or a man who has shown him how to have a healthy relationship with women. So all the toxic relationships of Suzanne’s partners are just being manipulated through JJ. It needs to be noted that men like JJ and my abusers are not just kids who have found porn. They do usually have a serious personality disorder as well. But regardless of when abuse occurs or who by or when or how it is never ever the victims fault. Even if an abusers doesn’t know what they are doing.
@rosiegiesler4705 I don't watch hollyoaks religiously and so I don't know the backstory of the clips that I watch from British soaps on here. It must be both traumatic and confusing for the victim of sexual abuse when the perpetrator is known to them or is a part of their family. I can only imagine how that must feel because you would struggle to know who to turn to
@@Laurax-v2n oh 100% it is awful my biggest trigger feeling helpless, it makes me feel so unsafe. Trigger warning: for my experience. - No graphic details of abuse - basic details of my abuse such as there relationship to me and the duration of abuse. - descriptions of grooming and conditioning tactics used on me and other victims not commonly discussed - Stockholm syndrome and survivals reactions. My experience starts here: From my experience it was a little bit different, although just as traumatic and serious, my abusers was someone who I thought was my best friend but in reality it was almost a sibling like relationship we had. He lived next door to me and his parents were my guardians as well. Often times abusers also groom you into thinking that nothing is wrong, especially when it starts young and you have no knowledge of what is occurring or what is normal. From my experience my abusers groomed me into thinking that he was my boyfriend and that he would marry me and run of and live happily ever after together. I thought that he loved me and I that I loved him. This was from the age of 6 by the way. In reality now that I’m in therapy. He never treated me with any kind of love he would ignore me unless he could see an opportunity to abuse me. So although this is a common experience that people are afraid of there abusers and get into really bad mental states there are also those survivors and victims with Stockholm syndrome as well. It’s a common trauma response to think that you are fine and to fawn your abuser as a way of surviving the abuse. Non of these reactions mean you are in a consensual relationship. He conditioned me into saying yes, using tactics such as i will never love you if you don’t say yes, you don’t want me to get in trouble do you so please say yes, saying things like if you go to the police I can sent it was consensual because you said yes. Obviously cohersion is not consent. And then as I got older and I realised I could say no, he would still continue. Then as I got to the age of 16 and I watched a documentary on panorama about COCSA I realised what he was doing to me. And I went to the my school and my parents then eventually the police it got dropped but ik what happened and my family believe me, my friends and I believe my story so that is all that matters. But the damage he has caused me will be life long. My point is although many of us feel helpless survival responses don’t always make you feel like a victim. And this needs to be acknowledged as well. Some survivals may even think some of the activities feel good. However again this is not consent. Because the human body wants sex ro feel good whether it is consensual or not. And abusers also groom you into thinking it’s consensual that is exactly what grooming is, it is all about making you not be able to leave. It doesn’t matter how you feel as a victim or how you react. If you are being abused even if you don’t know it you are a victim. And this needs to be discussed. How victims react to abuse is complex. But it’s never ever a victims fault.
I just got this thought literally this second. What if... (she gets pregnant by him that's number one. I think it's up there of where this storyline is going along with people eventually finding out)...she kills him and the year jump is a scene in prison/ young offenders where we see shoes and we think it's JJ but it slowly reveals her🤯
This actor is really good because I absolutely LOATHE the character JJ!!!!
I agree! He really is especially for a newcomer
Someone said they think JJ is trying to set Charlie up to take the blame for sexually abusing Frankie 👀 But I think his "flirting" comment was a slip up... he lost control for a moment and couldn't hide his jealousy.
He was definitely jealous of her and Charlie’s bond
These 2 younge actors have so much talent. I really hope *both* of them are getting good emotional and psych support behind the scenes after these incredibly intense scenes
I agree they are doing amazing especially Ryan who plays JJ for it to be his first role
Jj needs to go to jail for sexually his sister I hate how he is doing this to her
I agree.. he needs to be locked up and they need to throw away the key
First JJ was jealous of Lucas and Frankie bond now Charlie and Frankie bond
Exactly! He’s disgusting
JJ obviously needs help as well. Maybe not prison, mental help. Frankie is destroyed. Even if it stops. The damage has been done. She may not trust another male again. It's not happening in every family. It's a shame because she is a smart girl. He is getting inside her head.
JJ admitted it, but didn't admit to assaulting her, he said she wanted it. So pulling her hair was okay. Behind a public seating area, in the cold and dark was okay. He might still get away with it because of his age.
JJ see Frankie as his woman. NOT HIS FUCKING SISTER.😢😢😢😢😢
He sees her as his full stop, he's so wrapped in himself he'll never see Frankie as an actual autonomous person
I don't know if you understand that he's sexually abusing her. It's non-consentual. He's not treating her like 'his girlfriend'
This except that she isn’t a person. I’ve been in Frankie’s exact situation, I was abused for 10 years by my friend who was more like a brother to me. And lived next door to my house. And we were only 3 days apart. Anyway to abusers victims are only objects, completely dehumanised of autonomy. It’s why abusers have so little empathy they don’t see there victims as people, it’s like we are just dolls who’s purpose is to please them. It’s why they never admit they’ve done anything wrong because they don’t believe that they have. They also have selfish empathy. They only have empathy based on how it affects them. If a victim’s emotions don’t effect there ability to abuse then they don’t care. He is fucked and my assumption is that he is like this for a few reasons. The main me is what is known as incest porn, and it is exactly as it sounds like. It is when twins have sex with each other now in porn it isn’t usually real twins, but it is common for many people to want to engage in threesomes with twins. And it’s is vile and repulsive and most of the time a fantas. But studies show children watching porn can irreversibly damage a child’s brain and view of sex. So the likelihood is that he watched porn and just acts out these fantasies with his sister. Kids don’t just pick this stuff up. It’s why parents should absolutely have parental control of a child’s internet access.
Another is that Suzanne he hasn’t had a strong man in the house, or a man who has shown him how to have a healthy relationship with women. So all the toxic relationships of Suzanne’s partners are just being manipulated through JJ. It needs to be noted that men like JJ and my abusers are not just kids who have found porn. They do usually have a serious personality disorder as well.
But regardless of when abuse occurs or who by or when or how it is never ever the victims fault. Even if an abusers doesn’t know what they are doing.
@rosiegiesler4705 I don't watch hollyoaks religiously and so I don't know the backstory of the clips that I watch from British soaps on here. It must be both traumatic and confusing for the victim of sexual abuse when the perpetrator is known to them or is a part of their family. I can only imagine how that must feel because you would struggle to know who to turn to
@@Laurax-v2n oh 100% it is awful my biggest trigger feeling helpless, it makes me feel so unsafe.
Trigger warning: for my experience.
- No graphic details of abuse
- basic details of my abuse such as there relationship to me and the duration of abuse.
- descriptions of grooming and conditioning tactics used on me and other victims not commonly discussed
- Stockholm syndrome and survivals reactions.
My experience starts here:
From my experience it was a little bit different, although just as traumatic and serious, my abusers was someone who I thought was my best friend but in reality it was almost a sibling like relationship we had. He lived next door to me and his parents were my guardians as well.
Often times abusers also groom you into thinking that nothing is wrong, especially when it starts young and you have no knowledge of what is occurring or what is normal. From my experience my abusers groomed me into thinking that he was my boyfriend and that he would marry me and run of and live happily ever after together. I thought that he loved me and I that I loved him. This was from the age of 6 by the way. In reality now that I’m in therapy. He never treated me with any kind of love he would ignore me unless he could see an opportunity to abuse me. So although this is a common experience that people are afraid of there abusers and get into really bad mental states there are also those survivors and victims with Stockholm syndrome as well. It’s a common trauma response to think that you are fine and to fawn your abuser as a way of surviving the abuse. Non of these reactions mean you are in a consensual relationship.
He conditioned me into saying yes, using tactics such as i will never love you if you don’t say yes, you don’t want me to get in trouble do you so please say yes, saying things like if you go to the police I can sent it was consensual because you said yes. Obviously cohersion is not consent. And then as I got older and I realised I could say no, he would still continue.
Then as I got to the age of 16 and I watched a documentary on panorama about COCSA I realised what he was doing to me. And I went to the my school and my parents then eventually the police it got dropped but ik what happened and my family believe me, my friends and I believe my story so that is all that matters. But the damage he has caused me will be life long.
My point is although many of us feel helpless survival responses don’t always make you feel like a victim. And this needs to be acknowledged as well. Some survivals may even think some of the activities feel good. However again this is not consent. Because the human body wants sex ro feel good whether it is consensual or not. And abusers also groom you into thinking it’s consensual that is exactly what grooming is, it is all about making you not be able to leave. It doesn’t matter how you feel as a victim or how you react. If you are being abused even if you don’t know it you are a victim. And this needs to be discussed. How victims react to abuse is complex. But it’s never ever a victims fault.
I just got this thought literally this second. What if... (she gets pregnant by him that's number one. I think it's up there of where this storyline is going along with people eventually finding out)...she kills him and the year jump is a scene in prison/ young offenders where we see shoes and we think it's JJ but it slowly reveals her🤯
Horrible idea 💡 if she was she get abortion definitely
That would be really dark....😮😮
i how Darren and Nancy would react if they find out what jj been doing to frankie in secret
What does he say at 3:28??
I think he said that no one looked out for her more than he did
He said : "please, stay! "Or maybe I misheard.
that is a gross comment
Jj is a freak
NN and I don't want it will understand