You’re reviews are so refreshing! Additionally as a developer using Linux for all my work having you test at least basic Linux capabilities on the laptops you review is huge. Thank you. Glad I stumbled onto your channel.
but are you satisfied with th keyboard ? Is it also so slick as in T490 ? And what about half-size arrow keys - I cannot stand using them on my T490. If they don't restore it to full size, I will switch all units back to Dells in my company.
Constructive criticism Josh your chanel is growing and I've been here for a while. I'd love to see more text on screen that helps the person stay engaged You can see why that also helps in crowd retention as well if u do some searches here and there You might as well even watch how LTT does their text edits. And also would love if u change the way you organize your tests for the viewer and present them Some times more information is less
Also my comment regarding the scores presentation isn't mainly for this video, it's for others (this one is fairly simple with two variables most of the time
My ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 1 (yes Gen 1) from 2012 is still showing no signs of giving up ghost (recently replaced cooling fan and upgraded SSD). I don't do video editing or gaming so it serves me just fine. Every year I say "Maybe this is the year... " but the thing just won't die Lol. I may still retire it at some point and use it as a music and media server. I have my eye on the new Yoga Titanium and Gen6 X1 Yoga!
@@JustJoshTech Good review. I was actually looking at this laptop as a dev machine. How feasible is it for that with the i7 and 32 GB of RAM (backend java dev, enterprise apps, docker, microservices etc). I really want a Ryzen, and I found the one you recommended, the Yoga Slim 7 Pro with a Ryzen 5900HX, but with 16 GB of RAM soldered, and I feel that is not enough as a dev machine. How would you think these 2 would compare, and how would the X1 Carbon Gen 9 hold up as main dev machine. Pretty hard to decide, with flaws on all sides
Maybe because the 4k panel supports more brightness it was consuming less power at equal brightness. Also, the latest processors are so powerful that they can render 4k content without consuming much more compared to fullHD. It would be interesting to see if this is the case with AMD cpus as well.
I love the videos you make man and i am no expert but your videos are like a long lecture at times that i want to attend but mid way through i get distracted, still massive respect for your time and effort will keep supporting you.
great review. I wish X1 Carbon gen 9 had 2560x1600 as a happy medium. X1 extreme has a 2560x1600 display. its perfect. 1600p would be perfect for a 14 inch panel size too.
Yes but I saw other reviewers saying amd zen 2 architecture is still relevant and showing benchmarks that it actually beat the tiger lake but lost only in graphics test I really want to see what josh thinks about the laptop
Hey Josh - Two things want to know : a. Thinkpad or Dell Precision (Especially Built Quality) b. i7-1185g7 vs i7-10870h (All for non gaming purpose, basically Heavy Excels / Visualization Tools etc)
Because of this guy i bought idea pad 5 with Amd ryzen 7 4700U , thank you so much for the reviews , only downside is the display tho but its still good
The problem with this review is that the power consumption for office work / programming on the UHD+ must be much higher due to tiger lake being very inefficient in that field vs FHD. I tested around quite a lot on a LG Gram 16 with the 1165g7, and while watching video the resolution practically doesn't matter. However for surfing, typing in notepad++ or microsoft office if I decrease the resolution from 2560x1600 to 1280x800 I get about 30% higher battery life. I do believe that IGZO panels don't matter about resolution anymore for power consumption, in many cases higher resolution panels even consuming less, because they have a much higher budget to produce them as they sell for a premium. And tiger lake is really efficient on video playback, plus resolution then kinda depends on the video only, not on the screen it's played back fullscreen. Actually it's clearly now the CPU that is burning through your battery. NVME with HIPM/DIPM activated, the display panel and so on are really efficient. The lg gram 16" idles at 1.8w with usably low screen brightness. it only goes up to around 4.3w on max luminance. So I guess the display panel uses about 0.5w to 3w per hour depending on brightness. However while surfing or productivity work I get 6-7 watt power consumption at low brightness. Hence for seemingly easy tasks the CPU will consume a lot of power. Actually Kaby Lake R and Comet Lake were much better in this regard. Ice Lake a disaster and tiger lake just improved on Ice lake. I feel for intel we need to wait for Alder lake to get good actual battery life outside of watching videos. So the lg gram caneasily playback video in edge via wifi for 20-25 hours with good brightness if the videos are long enough - because as soon as you leave fullscreen and scroll around or watch many short clips it consumes more power (around 250 I guess, 80%) thanks to the efficient screen. But for work I only get about 12-14 hours. And well that is with that big 80wh battery. Apple M1 shows that office work or watching video is no difference. Same for smartphones. Intel needs to catch up here. and they announced so for Alder lake. Those numbers are with optimized windows meaning services not needed disabled, throttlestop optimizing and so on... Oh yeah and I would guess i5 needs maybe 5-10% less power than i7. So I will exchange my lg gram with i7 to an lg gram with i5 processor (my lg gram came with defective hardware - so I have to exchange anyhow so I will just return and reorder with i5).
A discussion whose time has come, thank you for this. Hopefully, you will keep revisiting this topic every few months as it's a choice any notebook consumer faces upon initial purchase. Ravi Peiris M.D.
Thanks for this one. Just reminded me to go back to my HP ZBook 14U G6 and 15U G6, all components equal except the display (FHD vs 4K) and battery (50 Whr vs 56 Whr).
Buying a Windows laptop is SO hard. There’s a lot of options and a lot of pros and cons. I discovered this channel looking for the best 13.3 or 14 inch laptop I could buy for my sister for no more than $600 and I ended up getting a deal in a Dell Inspiron 14 5000 with the 11th gen i5, 512GB NVMe SSD and Intel Iris Xe graphics for $529 + TAX (regular price is like $700). In my case is way easier, I just sold my mid 2014 13 inch Retina MacBook Pro and I’m getting a M1 MacBook Air right away without having to choose
Hi Josh. Just discovered this channel and I already love it. I'm looking for a new laptop and I need a notebook for University: as I am going to have programming courses, I am not so sure whether getting an i7 or an i5 (or maybe an AMD Ryzen 7??). Moreover, is 8GB RAM enough or should I headed to 16GB?? Thanks
hey josh, thanks for this helpful video!! do you know if there some upcoming 2-1 laptops worth waiting for? im currently thinking about buying the xps 13 or spectre but im not sure :/ should i wait?
Another really informative video thanks for sharing! I have been wondering whether to change laptop recently as the display on my ThinkPad P43s is a basic 14in 250 nits FHD display which ruins the experience if you are mobile with it (though the anti glare on it makes it work better than some 300 nit glossy screens in bright light). The processor comparisons and FHD+ vs 4k in this video have got me thinking more...
Hey Josh will you be reviewing portable laptops in the future? Something like a 14 inch and below, also if we should stick with the new 5000 ryzens over the intels? This will be a purchase for me later in the year, since my current hp pavilion 15.6 is just massive and not light due to the metal finish.
TL:DR i5 and i7 doesn't mean anything anymore - look at core count and frequency differences, see what the GPU is. Decide based on that Anything up to 15 inches 1080p or 1440p, 1440p or 4k for 17 inches. I've tried all possible configs because I'm a system tester. If you're gaming, 1080p or 1440p screen. 4k is too difficult to run, and downscaling isn't optimal. 4k screens are about 2-3 times as power hungry as 1080p screens, and GPU load is increased.. So be ready to suffer a 30% battery life drop just for that alone.
Good topic and some surprising results with 4K battery life. Wish they had a Matte version. ..I'm over glossy displays. What are your thoughts re: lite 4K video editing on 11th gen i7? Doable? or Too painful?
Great content Josh, X1C9s are very new and I haven't seen any other video where i5/i7 versions were compared. I am asking this question to every X1C9 reviewer; Lenovo has changed hinge design in X1C9, how it looks like from the durability perspective? I had a bad experience with a broken hinge in Lenovo laptop, that's why not 100% to buy costly Lenovo experience :(
Cool comparison! I myself did get a X1C9 i7-1185G7 with 32GB RAM and 4k+ display. I am wondering if you have experienced any thermal throttling on your i7 device? Can you give your experience on that? I am experiencing heavy thermal throttling kicks in within seconds after i start a heavy workload especially when the iGPU is also involved. Any experience on that? Would appreciate your feedack since the i7 1185g7 and the i7 1165g7 are quite similar... thanks!
Two days of browsing the web wrapped up in a 10 minute video. Crazy good work, Josh! Only wish I found this earlier 😂. Can you say how "bad" the reflections really are with the UHD Screen? I'm a programmer and heavy Excel user and always didn't really get along with just one 14" (16:9) laptop screen. Hoping to get more productive with a higher res screen. In the other hand I'm a little worried about the reflections, though. What do you think of the X1 Yoga G6? Already tested one? I was thinking about getting this instead of the carbon mainly for touchscreen and entertainment purposes. What do you think? Btw: Just an idea on how to separate cpu and display within the battery drain test: Run a similar test with only an external monitor / no internal display.
Did you buy a X1 Carbon Gen 9 ? I am about to buy a 4K version for coding but still not sure for the reflection issue. I already have a Lenovo Creator 7 and it is extremely glossy :/
@@bora8254 Yep, did buy a Gen 6 X1 Yoga. After all the 4K Screen is definitely the way to go. Reflections are at least to my eyes almost less disturbing compared to a matte screen. The anti-reflective coating is really doing it's job here. When I compare it to my wife's Surface Pro 7, I can see far less disturbing reflections on my X1 Yoga. Here is why I wrote "After all"... The first Yoga instantly went back to Lenovo because the touchscreen didn't work properly. No scrolling possible, ghost touches, etc. The second Yoga arrived about 4 weeks later. It seemed ok at first being much better than the first one. After some weeks of usage I noticed the touchscreen wouldn't recognize every single touch in some areas, especially the edges, which prevented me from using it at all when browsing the web. Took Lenovo around two more weeks to switch the panel, since they did not offer a second full replacement though. The replacement panel came with calibration unfortunately and had a really bad yellowish tint to it. Fixed it myself with windows color calibration. Really happy now. Great device in the end 🤗
Hey Josh! About that AMD vs Intel, idk about the video editing part but, I've actually tabulated around 35 games running on the Ryzen 7 5700U and the i7 1165G7. Even I considered the Iris Xe iGPU to be better than the AMD Radeon iGPU, but the new 5000 series really overthrows the intel tigerlake. Idk if its due to better processing power or the GPU but I actually got 10 to 20 Frames more in the ryzen than the i7 on similar settings. Tho it was equal in some games like Forza Horizon and CSGO but still, overall ryzen fared much better. and honestly speaking, pricewise the 5700u is closer to the i5 1135G7 than the i7. What do u think about this??
Since I intend to keep my laptop for at least five years, I always try to go for the best specs I can - especially now that everything is always soldered on. i7-1165G7 and 32 GB RAM I've already decided on, but I keep going back and forth on the display. I adore matte displays, but I'm also definitely the kind of person who'll cram as much as possible on there. I assumed I'd prefer the FHD because battery life is so important to me, but the difference is so small... Why can't they have a matte 4K option!
As others said, 4k has marginal improvement on 14" screens - that extra money will be better spent elsewhere. And about the difference being small in this video: there are a number of variables to consider. The i7 may have helped reduce overall power consumption for example, because more capable processors generally don't need to run as much as less capable processors.
Hey Josh, I had your site up waiting for the new video. I've been following you for sometime. You make fantastic reviews. I would like to ask you to review 15/15.6" laptops and provide recommendations for what to buy. I was going to buy the Lenovo Ideapad 5 15" last year after you gave it a terrific review, but it sold out globally. I have literally been waiting for you to recommend a 15/15.6" since then. I am REALLY hanging out for it. I have a 5 year old budget laptop that is slow and freezes, and takes ages to boot up. It's driving me crazy. I live in Australia, so I have to translate your recommendations to Australian models, and what can be sourced locally. We don't have the prices and range you guys in the US have. Hope you can help me out soon. Cheers Mate. Peter.
Thanks Peter for the nice comment. I'm actually traveling right now so content is a little slower than normal. I have a very interesting laptop in for review next week with a larger screen
Josh, thank you for the detailed review. I do have a question though. I have x1 carbon 7th gen with 10th gen i7 and a 4K display, and I feel the general lag when using chrome(scrolling, etc). It seems like a common issue among other 4k users, but I was wondering if you experience matches with mine. Can you tell us the performance on chrome compared to FHD model?
Hey Josh! Interested to see I’d you can do a review of the Asus Expertbook b9 with 11th gen Intel evo i7. Seems like a direct competitor to the X1 Carbon and Nano but with better I/o
I have been looking for a more str8 forward answer on this. Still watching but thanks in advance for making the video. **thinking out loud** lol every time i hear you say "the insane amount of hours..." I always sarcastically think....why does he keep saying that. haha
Hi Josh, A great video as always - there’s just no one else doing reviews in that depth including graphs and details as you do. I never really thought about getting a 4K but after this video I immediately checked the PSREF... just to find that you missed one very important aspect: There is no touch version of the 4k Display available in the X1 carbon gen 9. This might not concern you but I for my part don’t want to go back to pre-touch. The only way to get touch and 4k would be the X1 yoga. This should deserve at least a mention in such a comparison. Cheers!
how do you think programming is like on the 7i? I'm curious because I was planning on getting the yoga 7i for uni because I'm going to study computer science.
Hey Josh! Would love to hear your opinion on, dell inspiron 14 7000 i7 11th gen 16gb ram, nvidia mx350 16:10 ratio and dell xps 13 i5 11th gen 8 gb 512 ssd and Intel iris graphics. which one would pick if they were the same price ?
I need your advice I am attending college for my bachelor's degree For Computer and Information Science. light programming will be involved. I was thinking about 3 laptops, all 17 inch. 1. HP 17.3 inch FHD (1920 X 1080) laptop with Intel core i5-1135G7, 12GB Ram, 512GB SSD and integrated Intel Xe Graphics for $630. 2. HP Envy 17.3 FHD (1920x1080) Touch-Screen laptop with Intel Core i7-1165G7, 12GB RAM, 512 SSD + 32GB Intel Optane with intel integrated Xe graphics for $1073 3. Dell Inspiron 7000 2-in-1 17" QHD (2560x1600 resolution) touch screen laptop with Intel Core i7-1165G7, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD + 32GB Intel Optane with Nvidia GeForce MX350 for $1241.99. Keep in mind that the RAM on the Dell laptop is soldered to the motherboard, so is non upgradeable. The HP laptops more memory can be added later. Is it worth it to spend the extra money or should I just go with the cheapest one for $630?
Highly informative. Thank you. Sadly, I now know a lot more but am just as unclear as before as to which screen to go with, whether to get the news Dell XPS 17" i7 laptop with the FHD+ non-touch matte screen or the UHD+4k touch glossy screen. So confused, so many factors to way. I don't do gaming or video/music editing, or for that matter much spreadsheet work, but I do work from home, with some mobile, and I do spend long hours online 5-7 days per week and frequent on and off evenings and weekends, normal stuff, including lots of streaming of stock quotes, youtube reviews (and movies), Internet searches and research, that sort of thing. Any suggestions to help me decide? It's a tough one. Dell does say their UHD+ screen does have ant-reflective treatment of some kind though I've heard it really doesn't do much.
@@lohbut2 I actually haven't made the purchase yet. Put it off. May within the next few months. I did notice that the big discounted prices around the start of the year are gone, and even the 2021's are priced higher now than then, almost as much as the new 2022's now. Oh well. One thought. I had thought the 2022's might greatly increase the battery life, making getting the 4k screen an easier decision, but best I can tell, though the chips in the new 2022's are improved, battery life apparently is not. Oh well again.
@@Nate-zy5ce I placed four orders and cancelled three. Current order is i7, FHD+, 3060. Minimum ram/SSD because I upgrade myself. I have the XPS 9500 and decided I want 17. Let’s see how long before I cancel again. Lol
@@lohbut2 Don't know if you'll see this, it has been almost a year, but I still haven't bought the new laptop yet but am about to. Care to share your experiences, good and bad, with the choice you made? And here's an update about what I am trying to decide about in case you have any added thoughts about any of it: Maybe you can share some updated thoughts regarding the choice I am facing here in 2023. I am going to get the Dell XPS 17 9730 with the Intel gen 13 i7 chip (maybe the i5), the 4050 or 4060 graphics card (leaning towards 4060 though don't know if I need that), 16GB RAM and 512GB SSDI (both upgradeable), and Windows 11 home. Am torn between the FHD+ or the 4k UHD+ display (leaning towards the 4k HUD+). I would like the better battery life of the FHD+, but everything else seems to suggest the 4k UHD+ display. I notice in some 15" display comparisons that the clarity of the 4k is much greater, no little lines seen as with the FHD+ in the close up shots. And I'm thinking there might be an even bigger difference in the 17" displays. I do not do gaming or video or music editing, just a lot of normal stuff online, streaming stock quotes and charts, streaming movies, many chrome tabs open, youtube while other things stream in the background that I click back and forth between often, and long hours 7 days a week on the laptop. And though it will be plugged in the majority of the time, I am expecting to do more mobile going forward, not most but more than in the past. I could save a lot of money getting the gen 13 i5, the 4050 and the FHD+, but the sweet spots seems to be the gen 13 i7, either the 4050 or 4060, and the 4k UHD+ display. Help. I'd welcome your or anyone's thoughts on any of this. I'm pretty set on the i7, but the 4050 (with 6 cores) and the 4060 (with 8 cores) is my biggest question mark. I wonder for instance if the 4060 is even necessary for my use cases, I'm thinking what I do is more single core activity than multi core so the jump from 6 to 8 cores may be irrelevant to me, and that maybe the 4050 might run cooler and get better battery life, with almost similar or similar performance for my use cases. Any thoughts on the 4050 vs 4060 choice, and the FHD+ vs 4k UHD+, when it comes to the larger 17" display size?
Does this difference apply to all series of the lenovo thinkpad laptops..? I am a medical professional and needed a laptop mostly for data science.. I would be highly thankful ❤if you'd suggest me on choosing between the thinkpad e15 gen 2 intel i7 and the i5. 🤗
I am looking at the x1 yoga gen 6. I was wondering if you can tell me if the 4K display in that model is matte? It really doesn’t say. It says anti reflective. What’s the difference between anti glare and anti reflective?
Is quad core 11th gen i7, enough for programming, including data science and machine learning, if we have rtx3060, for asus tuf dash f15, or shall I go with 6 core 19th gen but gtx 1660ti? Please tell, and congratulations for 2 years anniversary
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You’re reviews are so refreshing! Additionally as a developer using Linux for all my work having you test at least basic Linux capabilities on the laptops you review is huge. Thank you. Glad I stumbled onto your channel.
but are you satisfied with th keyboard ? Is it also so slick as in T490 ? And what about half-size arrow keys - I cannot stand using them on my T490. If they don't restore it to full size, I will switch all units back to Dells in my company.
Interesting to see this comparison. Also I like how you say "but it also makes my mum happy" 😁
I was dead in a second lol
*Sudden Surprise Wholesome*
it’s lame
This channel is so well tuned. You do such a good job of giving real analytical takes on these things without just listing off the technical jargon.
Yes, he does a good job of criticizing a manufacturer for not being able to do something no other manufacturer can do.
@@aratosm ok.
Just the video I was looking for ❤️
I was waiting when this will be out.
Was just watching your channel waiting for a new video. Thanks Josh
Constructive criticism
Josh your chanel is growing and I've been here for a while. I'd love to see more text on screen that helps the person stay engaged
You can see why that also helps in crowd retention as well if u do some searches here and there
You might as well even watch how LTT does their text edits. And also would love if u change the way you organize your tests for the viewer and present them
Some times more information is less
Also my comment regarding the scores presentation isn't mainly for this video, it's for others (this one is fairly simple with two variables most of the time
My ThinkPad X1 Carbon Gen 1 (yes Gen 1) from 2012 is still showing no signs of giving up ghost (recently replaced cooling fan and upgraded SSD). I don't do video editing or gaming so it serves me just fine. Every year I say "Maybe this is the year... " but the thing just won't die Lol. I may still retire it at some point and use it as a music and media server. I have my eye on the new Yoga Titanium and Gen6 X1 Yoga!
Your videos helped me choose my x1 yoga 6th gen, thank you Josh. I ended up going with the i5 and 4k screen and I am really happy with my purchase.
How is the glare on the screen? I'm undecided between i7 4k or the HD anti glare. I hate the glare and reflection on screens
Sir i want to buy a laptop for video editing premiere pro so which one performs better or they are almost same please sir ?
Great review! Does the 4K panel has the PWM flickering problem?
This is EXACTLY what I was looking for! Thank you for the video.
Omg was looking for this! Josh gets it again!
Very informative! Thank You Josh!
Well done Josh...it is always a pleasure to see such informative video 👍
Great review Josh, but pity that you didn't clarify situation with 4K model regarding PWM. 2 previous 4K models had PWM, so no go for many peoples.
The 4k panel in the X1 gen 9 doesn't use PWM
Thank you, Josh! It's a joy watching your videos! That's how it should look like. It's evident you are used using your head :-)
Thanks mate
@@JustJoshTech Good review. I was actually looking at this laptop as a dev machine. How feasible is it for that with the i7 and 32 GB of RAM (backend java dev, enterprise apps, docker, microservices etc). I really want a Ryzen, and I found the one you recommended, the Yoga Slim 7 Pro with a Ryzen 5900HX, but with 16 GB of RAM soldered, and I feel that is not enough as a dev machine. How would you think these 2 would compare, and how would the X1 Carbon Gen 9 hold up as main dev machine. Pretty hard to decide, with flaws on all sides
Josh, you're the MVP! This is exactly what I was looking for. Thank you so very much! 🙇♂️
Maybe because the 4k panel supports more brightness it was consuming less power at equal brightness. Also, the latest processors are so powerful that they can render 4k content without consuming much more compared to fullHD. It would be interesting to see if this is the case with AMD cpus as well.
I love the videos you make man and i am no expert but your videos are like a long lecture at times that i want to attend but mid way through i get distracted, still massive respect for your time and effort will keep supporting you.
great review. I wish X1 Carbon gen 9 had 2560x1600 as a happy medium. X1 extreme has a 2560x1600 display. its perfect. 1600p would be perfect for a 14 inch panel size too.
Best quality laptop reviews on the whole of TH-cam.
i would love to see a review of microsoft surface laptop 4 with AMD version
Yes but I saw other reviewers saying amd zen 2 architecture is still relevant and showing benchmarks that it actually beat the tiger lake but lost only in graphics test I really want to see what josh thinks about the laptop
thanks as always. Please do one comparing Surface Laptop 4 Intel i7 vs AMD Ryzen 7
Love the screen comparisons!!!!!!
Good video as usual. ONE NOTE: The UHD+ (3840 x 2400) display does NOT come with a touchscreen option....
How do you feel about these two displays vs the 2k panel on the Nano? It feels like they should have just done a non-glossy 2k standard on this model.
What an outstanding result regarding the 4k monitor! I didn't expect this
I would love to see an X1 carbon with a QHD+ screen like the legion 7pro
Hey Josh - Two things want to know :
a. Thinkpad or Dell Precision (Especially Built Quality)
b. i7-1185g7 vs i7-10870h (All for non gaming purpose, basically Heavy Excels / Visualization Tools etc)
Josh askin the real questions thanks a bunch man!
Because of this guy i bought idea pad 5 with Amd ryzen 7 4700U , thank you so much for the reviews , only downside is the display tho but its still good
The problem with this review is that the power consumption for office work / programming on the UHD+ must be much higher due to tiger lake being very inefficient in that field vs FHD. I tested around quite a lot on a LG Gram 16 with the 1165g7, and while watching video the resolution practically doesn't matter. However for surfing, typing in notepad++ or microsoft office if I decrease the resolution from 2560x1600 to 1280x800 I get about 30% higher battery life.
I do believe that IGZO panels don't matter about resolution anymore for power consumption, in many cases higher resolution panels even consuming less, because they have a much higher budget to produce them as they sell for a premium. And tiger lake is really efficient on video playback, plus resolution then kinda depends on the video only, not on the screen it's played back fullscreen. Actually it's clearly now the CPU that is burning through your battery. NVME with HIPM/DIPM activated, the display panel and so on are really efficient. The lg gram 16" idles at 1.8w with usably low screen brightness. it only goes up to around 4.3w on max luminance. So I guess the display panel uses about 0.5w to 3w per hour depending on brightness. However while surfing or productivity work I get 6-7 watt power consumption at low brightness. Hence for seemingly easy tasks the CPU will consume a lot of power. Actually Kaby Lake R and Comet Lake were much better in this regard. Ice Lake a disaster and tiger lake just improved on Ice lake.
I feel for intel we need to wait for Alder lake to get good actual battery life outside of watching videos. So the lg gram caneasily playback video in edge via wifi for 20-25 hours with good brightness if the videos are long enough - because as soon as you leave fullscreen and scroll around or watch many short clips it consumes more power (around 250 I guess, 80%) thanks to the efficient screen. But for work I only get about 12-14 hours. And well that is with that big 80wh battery. Apple M1 shows that office work or watching video is no difference. Same for smartphones. Intel needs to catch up here. and they announced so for Alder lake. Those numbers are with optimized windows meaning services not needed disabled, throttlestop optimizing and so on...
Oh yeah and I would guess i5 needs maybe 5-10% less power than i7. So I will exchange my lg gram with i7 to an lg gram with i5 processor (my lg gram came with defective hardware - so I have to exchange anyhow so I will just return and reorder with i5).
Superb Video. I see few weeks of hard work!!
you are a hero , glad I found this channel.
The X1 9th Gen has a low power 4k display, hence has better battery performance than expected.
A discussion whose time has come, thank you for this. Hopefully, you will keep revisiting this topic every few months as it's a choice any notebook consumer faces upon initial purchase.
Ravi Peiris M.D.
Again excellent in attention to details 👍👍👍
Josh please go for surface 4, 15 inch 🌺🌺
Love your intro. Gotta say
This answers a ton of questions many months later!!
A 2k+ matte color-accurate display will a perfect sweet spot. Don't know why they don't have it.
Thanks for this one. Just reminded me to go back to my HP ZBook 14U G6 and 15U G6, all components equal except the display (FHD vs 4K) and battery (50 Whr vs 56 Whr).
I would love to see a review of huaweis Matebooks! They seem pretty interesting to me, especially for their price!
Awesome work, keep going!
Very helpful. Battery life with 4K was my biggest concern before decided to buy X1 Carbon Gen9. Reflection, I am a MacBook user now, you understand.
Buying a Windows laptop is SO hard. There’s a lot of options and a lot of pros and cons. I discovered this channel looking for the best 13.3 or 14 inch laptop I could buy for my sister for no more than $600 and I ended up getting a deal in a Dell Inspiron 14 5000 with the 11th gen i5, 512GB NVMe SSD and Intel Iris Xe graphics for $529 + TAX (regular price is like $700).
In my case is way easier, I just sold my mid 2014 13 inch Retina MacBook Pro and I’m getting a M1 MacBook Air right away without having to choose
Hi Josh. Just discovered this channel and I already love it. I'm looking for a new laptop and I need a notebook for University: as I am going to have programming courses, I am not so sure whether getting an i7 or an i5 (or maybe an AMD Ryzen 7??). Moreover, is 8GB RAM enough or should I headed to 16GB?? Thanks
How did you know all my questions? God your reviews are amazing!
Hey great video💫
You will make a rewiew with Lenovo 5 pro? I think is a good competition for Omen
THANK YOU FOR THAT!
Great video!
Really interesting, Josh! What about weight differences, if any?
Thank You Josh !!!!!!!
Great video. Are you going to the battle of the Josh's?
hey josh, thanks for this helpful video!! do you know if there some upcoming 2-1 laptops worth waiting for? im currently thinking about buying the xps 13 or spectre but im not sure :/ should i wait?
Another really informative video thanks for sharing! I have been wondering whether to change laptop recently as the display on my ThinkPad P43s is a basic 14in 250 nits FHD display which ruins the experience if you are mobile with it (though the anti glare on it makes it work better than some 300 nit glossy screens in bright light). The processor comparisons and FHD+ vs 4k in this video have got me thinking more...
Hey Josh will you be reviewing portable laptops in the future? Something like a 14 inch and below, also if we should stick with the new 5000 ryzens over the intels? This will be a purchase for me later in the year, since my current hp pavilion 15.6 is just massive and not light due to the metal finish.
Just what was wishing for, great work!!!!!!
Awesome, Thank You!!
How can you tell if I have a bad trackpad?
I have the 4k model and I don't think I have the sense to tell the difference
Hey Josh, do you recommend the Lenovo Ideapad 3 Gen 6 17-inch or 15-inch ? Hope you could anwser this.
TL:DR
i5 and i7 doesn't mean anything anymore - look at core count and frequency differences, see what the GPU is. Decide based on that
Anything up to 15 inches 1080p or 1440p, 1440p or 4k for 17 inches. I've tried all possible configs because I'm a system tester. If you're gaming, 1080p or 1440p screen. 4k is too difficult to run, and downscaling isn't optimal.
4k screens are about 2-3 times as power hungry as 1080p screens, and GPU load is increased.. So be ready to suffer a 30% battery life drop just for that alone.
Hey, Josh! Could you please do a video on how to take care of your laptop battery?
Great content! Is it possible to do a review on the x13 gen2 as well!?
Good topic and some surprising results with 4K battery life. Wish they had a Matte version. ..I'm over glossy displays. What are your thoughts re: lite 4K video editing on 11th gen i7? Doable? or Too painful?
I'd say if videos are short (sub 8 minutes) and very basic i.e. not many video or audio tracks, few effects like warp stabalizer then you are good
@@JustJoshTech Awesome ...thanks Josh!
Great Review :)
I just had this question in mind😂 and was also looking at the same laptops!!! Love this guy
Great content Josh, X1C9s are very new and I haven't seen any other video where i5/i7 versions were compared. I am asking this question to every X1C9 reviewer; Lenovo has changed hinge design in X1C9, how it looks like from the durability perspective? I had a bad experience with a broken hinge in Lenovo laptop, that's why not 100% to buy costly Lenovo experience :(
If only 5:4/3:2/16:10/21:9 aspect ratios were the standard...
16:9 is the worst average of all these ratios.
Quite accurate Review... I trust this channel..
Cool comparison! I myself did get a X1C9 i7-1185G7 with 32GB RAM and 4k+ display. I am wondering if you have experienced any thermal throttling on your i7 device? Can you give your experience on that? I am experiencing heavy thermal throttling kicks in within seconds after i start a heavy workload especially when the iGPU is also involved. Any experience on that? Would appreciate your feedack since the i7 1185g7 and the i7 1165g7 are quite similar... thanks!
Good video. Wish u had gone into the screens more
Two days of browsing the web wrapped up in a 10 minute video. Crazy good work, Josh!
Only wish I found this earlier 😂.
Can you say how "bad" the reflections really are with the UHD Screen? I'm a programmer and heavy Excel user and always didn't really get along with just one 14" (16:9) laptop screen. Hoping to get more productive with a higher res screen. In the other hand I'm a little worried about the reflections, though.
What do you think of the X1 Yoga G6? Already tested one? I was thinking about getting this instead of the carbon mainly for touchscreen and entertainment purposes. What do you think?
Btw: Just an idea on how to separate cpu and display within the battery drain test: Run a similar test with only an external monitor / no internal display.
Did you buy a X1 Carbon Gen 9 ? I am about to buy a 4K version for coding but still not sure for the reflection issue. I already have a Lenovo Creator 7 and it is extremely glossy :/
@@bora8254 Yep, did buy a Gen 6 X1 Yoga. After all the 4K Screen is definitely the way to go. Reflections are at least to my eyes almost less disturbing compared to a matte screen. The anti-reflective coating is really doing it's job here. When I compare it to my wife's Surface Pro 7, I can see far less disturbing reflections on my X1 Yoga.
Here is why I wrote "After all"...
The first Yoga instantly went back to Lenovo because the touchscreen didn't work properly. No scrolling possible, ghost touches, etc.
The second Yoga arrived about 4 weeks later. It seemed ok at first being much better than the first one. After some weeks of usage I noticed the touchscreen wouldn't recognize every single touch in some areas, especially the edges, which prevented me from using it at all when browsing the web. Took Lenovo around two more weeks to switch the panel, since they did not offer a second full replacement though. The replacement panel came with calibration unfortunately and had a really bad yellowish tint to it. Fixed it myself with windows color calibration. Really happy now. Great device in the end 🤗
After watching this video, I still can't decide whether to go with FHD+ or 4K...i want the 4K but worried about the glossy
What’d you decide?
Also curious about what you decided on, pulled the trigger on the gloss boss today
fantastic topic
The battery life on the 4K one is interesting and really good !
Don’t forget to add subtitles in your videos!!
Josh, you should see if the X1 with the i7 is worth repasting. Could be a very interesting change in performance.
How about PWM on the 4K display?
The 4k doesn't use PWM
Hey Josh!
About that AMD vs Intel, idk about the video editing part but, I've actually tabulated around 35 games running on the Ryzen 7 5700U and the i7 1165G7. Even I considered the Iris Xe iGPU to be better than the AMD Radeon iGPU, but the new 5000 series really overthrows the intel tigerlake. Idk if its due to better processing power or the GPU but I actually got 10 to 20 Frames more in the ryzen than the i7 on similar settings. Tho it was equal in some games like Forza Horizon and CSGO but still, overall ryzen fared much better. and honestly speaking, pricewise the 5700u is closer to the i5 1135G7 than the i7.
What do u think about this??
Since I intend to keep my laptop for at least five years, I always try to go for the best specs I can - especially now that everything is always soldered on. i7-1165G7 and 32 GB RAM I've already decided on, but I keep going back and forth on the display. I adore matte displays, but I'm also definitely the kind of person who'll cram as much as possible on there. I assumed I'd prefer the FHD because battery life is so important to me, but the difference is so small...
Why can't they have a matte 4K option!
4k doesn't really matter too much on a laptop display imo. Even my 1080p 24" monitor is plenty sharp enough
Wait for the gen 10, it will have a 2k+ matte display.
As others said, 4k has marginal improvement on 14" screens - that extra money will be better spent elsewhere.
And about the difference being small in this video: there are a number of variables to consider. The i7 may have helped reduce overall power consumption for example, because more capable processors generally don't need to run as much as less capable processors.
thank you always for the informative contents, I wished if you compared i7 1186G7 instead
Hey Josh, I had your site up waiting for the new video. I've been following you for sometime. You make fantastic reviews. I would like to ask you to review 15/15.6" laptops and provide recommendations for what to buy. I was going to buy the Lenovo Ideapad 5 15" last year after you gave it a terrific review, but it sold out globally. I have literally been waiting for you to recommend a 15/15.6" since then. I am REALLY hanging out for it. I have a 5 year old budget laptop that is slow and freezes, and takes ages to boot up. It's driving me crazy. I live in Australia, so I have to translate your recommendations to Australian models, and what can be sourced locally. We don't have the prices and range you guys in the US have.
Hope you can help me out soon. Cheers Mate. Peter.
Thanks Peter for the nice comment. I'm actually traveling right now so content is a little slower than normal. I have a very interesting laptop in for review next week with a larger screen
Just a follow up addition. I'm not a gamer, programmer or videographer. Just productivity and the usual youtube, browsing etc.
@@JustJoshTech amazing. I'm in the same situation and would also be looking forward to the video next week
Exactly the type of comparison I was looking for. Can’t decide if I want i7 or ryzen 7 and if I want regular screen or Oled for my next laptop.
Josh, thank you for the detailed review. I do have a question though. I have x1 carbon 7th gen with 10th gen i7 and a 4K display, and I feel the general lag when using chrome(scrolling, etc). It seems like a common issue among other 4k users, but I was wondering if you experience matches with mine. Can you tell us the performance on chrome compared to FHD model?
Hey Josh! Interested to see I’d you can do a review of the Asus Expertbook b9 with 11th gen Intel evo i7. Seems like a direct competitor to the X1 Carbon and Nano but with better I/o
I have been looking for a more str8 forward answer on this. Still watching but thanks in advance for making the video.
**thinking out loud** lol every time i hear you say "the insane amount of hours..." I always sarcastically think....why does he keep saying that. haha
Josh is the best.
Can you get 2021's TUFs with Rtx 3060 and compare them? The Rtx 3070 configs no one is gonna buy due to low wattage and high price.
Hi Josh,
A great video as always - there’s just no one else doing reviews in that depth including graphs and details as you do.
I never really thought about getting a 4K but after this video I immediately checked the PSREF... just to find that you missed one very important aspect:
There is no touch version of the 4k Display available in the X1 carbon gen 9.
This might not concern you but I for my part don’t want to go back to pre-touch.
The only way to get touch and 4k would be the X1 yoga.
This should deserve at least a mention in such a comparison.
Cheers!
Hi,
Do you see pixels grid on the FHD+ at a near viewing distance ?
Josh can you review the Lenovo P14s Workstation? I'm interested to know about this one
how do you think programming is like on the 7i? I'm curious because I was planning on getting the yoga 7i for uni because I'm going to study computer science.
Hey Josh! Would love to hear your opinion on, dell inspiron 14 7000 i7 11th gen 16gb ram, nvidia mx350 16:10 ratio and dell xps 13 i5 11th gen 8 gb 512 ssd and Intel iris graphics. which one would pick if they were the same price ?
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I need your advice I am attending college for my bachelor's degree For Computer and Information Science. light programming will be involved. I was thinking about 3 laptops, all 17 inch.
1. HP 17.3 inch FHD (1920 X 1080) laptop with Intel core i5-1135G7, 12GB Ram, 512GB SSD and integrated Intel Xe Graphics for $630.
2. HP Envy 17.3 FHD (1920x1080) Touch-Screen laptop with Intel Core i7-1165G7, 12GB RAM, 512 SSD + 32GB Intel Optane with intel integrated Xe graphics for $1073
3. Dell Inspiron 7000 2-in-1 17" QHD (2560x1600 resolution) touch screen laptop with Intel Core i7-1165G7, 16GB RAM, 512GB SSD + 32GB Intel Optane with Nvidia GeForce MX350 for $1241.99.
Keep in mind that the RAM on the Dell laptop is soldered to the motherboard, so is non upgradeable. The HP laptops more memory can be added later. Is it worth it to spend the extra money or should I just go with the cheapest one for $630?
Highly informative. Thank you. Sadly, I now know a lot more but am just as unclear as before as to which screen to go with, whether to get the news Dell XPS 17" i7 laptop with the FHD+ non-touch matte screen or the UHD+4k touch glossy screen. So confused, so many factors to way. I don't do gaming or video/music editing, or for that matter much spreadsheet work, but I do work from home, with some mobile, and I do spend long hours online 5-7 days per week and frequent on and off evenings and weekends, normal stuff, including lots of streaming of stock quotes, youtube reviews (and movies), Internet searches and research, that sort of thing. Any suggestions to help me decide? It's a tough one. Dell does say their UHD+ screen does have ant-reflective treatment of some kind though I've heard it really doesn't do much.
I’m exactly where you were five months ago. What did you decide?
@@lohbut2 I actually haven't made the purchase yet. Put it off. May within the next few months. I did notice that the big discounted prices around the start of the year are gone, and even the 2021's are priced higher now than then, almost as much as the new 2022's now. Oh well. One thought. I had thought the 2022's might greatly increase the battery life, making getting the 4k screen an easier decision, but best I can tell, though the chips in the new 2022's are improved, battery life apparently is not. Oh well again.
@@Nate-zy5ce I placed four orders and cancelled three. Current order is i7, FHD+, 3060. Minimum ram/SSD because I upgrade myself. I have the XPS 9500 and decided I want 17. Let’s see how long before I cancel again. Lol
@@lohbut2 Don't know if you'll see this, it has been almost a year, but I still haven't bought the new laptop yet but am about to. Care to share your experiences, good and bad, with the choice you made? And here's an update about what I am trying to decide about in case you have any added thoughts about any of it: Maybe you can share some updated thoughts regarding the choice I am facing here in 2023. I am going to get the Dell XPS 17 9730 with the Intel gen 13 i7 chip (maybe the i5), the 4050 or 4060 graphics card (leaning towards 4060 though don't know if I need that), 16GB RAM and 512GB SSDI (both upgradeable), and Windows 11 home. Am torn between the FHD+ or the 4k UHD+ display (leaning towards the 4k HUD+). I would like the better battery life of the FHD+, but everything else seems to suggest the 4k UHD+ display. I notice in some 15" display comparisons that the clarity of the 4k is much greater, no little lines seen as with the FHD+ in the close up shots. And I'm thinking there might be an even bigger difference in the 17" displays. I do not do gaming or video or music editing, just a lot of normal stuff online, streaming stock quotes and charts, streaming movies, many chrome tabs open, youtube while other things stream in the background that I click back and forth between often, and long hours 7 days a week on the laptop. And though it will be plugged in the majority of the time, I am expecting to do more mobile going forward, not most but more than in the past. I could save a lot of money getting the gen 13 i5, the 4050 and the FHD+, but the sweet spots seems to be the gen 13 i7, either the 4050 or 4060, and the 4k UHD+ display. Help.
I'd welcome your or anyone's thoughts on any of this. I'm pretty set on the i7, but the 4050 (with 6 cores) and the 4060 (with 8 cores) is my biggest question mark. I wonder for instance if the 4060 is even necessary for my use cases, I'm thinking what I do is more single core activity than multi core so the jump from 6 to 8 cores may be irrelevant to me, and that maybe the 4050 might run cooler and get better battery life, with almost similar or similar performance for my use cases. Any thoughts on the 4050 vs 4060 choice, and the FHD+ vs 4k UHD+, when it comes to the larger 17" display size?
So does the 4k us PWM? That was the reason why I didn't go for what would have been the cheaper 4k, can't stand flicker.
The 4k in the X1 carbon gen 9 doesn't use PWM
Does this difference apply to all series of the lenovo thinkpad laptops..?
I am a medical professional and needed a laptop mostly for data science..
I would be highly thankful ❤if you'd suggest me on choosing between the thinkpad e15 gen 2 intel i7 and the i5.
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I am looking at the x1 yoga gen 6. I was wondering if you can tell me if the 4K display in that model is matte? It really doesn’t say. It says anti reflective. What’s the difference between anti glare and anti reflective?
Is quad core 11th gen i7, enough for programming, including data science and machine learning, if we have rtx3060, for asus tuf dash f15, or shall I go with 6 core 19th gen but gtx 1660ti?
Please tell, and congratulations for 2 years anniversary
The glare on the 4k screen is almost a deal breaker. Makes a good mirror!