TIMEMORE SCULPTOR 064S - The Biggest Bang For Your Buck
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When I think of Timemore I think of hand grinders, but they're now taking the plunge into the premium electric market with the new Sculptor series. In this video I'll be going over the 064s, which seems to bring features like adjustable RPM, 64mm flat burrs, and a metal unibody to the home coffee bar at a bargain of a price tag.
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Timemore been killing it lately, excellent scales and drippers and now grinder. You love to see it.
I’ve got their one of their scales, and a couple hand grinders I’ve been very happy with.
@@Sprometheus big fan of the Nano scales, such a great size and really good to use
I only have their Black Mirror pro scale currently but totally agree. It’s super responsive. I haven’t seen any jump in weight when I stop pouring.
I have their cheapest Black Mirror scale and it's very unreliable actually.
@@mszigetihu I have an older generation of the "budget" Black Mirror, I'm fairly happy with it, but it does have a bit of "self-adjust" once one does adding weight; it also has quite noticeable negative "drift". I can't afford the smart scale version (and, really, who needs a smart scale?)
This review (among a few others, to be fair) made me realize that this grinder was what I wanted to upgrade to. Just backed it, and look forward to its arrival!
TIMEMORE is a great company. I have their scale and their hand grinder and they have been some of the best purchases in my life. If my grinder wasn't already good I would be seriously considering this one.
Best purchases in your life? That’s high praise haha. It’s a great grinder thus far, and I think at their Kickstarter price it’s a serious bargain.
Great video thanks. Really love the design and features. Backed a 78s yesterday on kickstarter. Can’t wait! 🎉
Great review. Respect your commitment and experience. Have been looking out for your review of this and the 078s. Just backed the 078s, upgrading from an older Compak K3 Push, so can't wait. Love your workflow vids too...framing, lighting, music...makes me want to put music on for my morning brew..😂 Good job keeping us informed on the latest in our obsession.😊
Thanks for the great review! had been on the fence for the 064, and just pledged. I'm all drip coffee.
Talk about putting the grinder market on notice. Excellent feature set and a price that will make other manufacturers wince. Great for us common folk who love coffee!
At the kickstarter price point and all the highlights you mentioned (burr swap, low retention, single dosing, multiple grind adjustments) made this a no brainer for me. Since I already own multiple SSP burrs for my Mazzer Mini, I didn’t have to worry about spending extra for burrs. I think my Lab Sweets are gonna be a perfect match for this grinder.
Wow! I backed this a couple of weeks back because the 078 doesn’t ship to my country and have been eagerly awaiting some good reviews! thanks!
VERY tempted to get this to sit alongside my Niche - love the drillpress aesthetic!
I have one on order and your review was very helpful and reassuring.
Thanks for the great review ! I've backed the 064s (coming from a jx-pro), i cant wait !
Already backed this particular one. I have the Chestnut X for my pour-overs and I love it but I was looking for something electric for espresso and this comes just in the right time :) Can't wait to try it out!
I got the timemore c3 along with a flair espresso. A budget espresso setup for beginners and absolutely love it. It is a real quality grinder for$79. The build quality is insane
same with me!
9 months later, a bunch of research, and now my 064s is coming in march. CANNOT WAIT
Ordered the 78S.... Can't wait!
Can't wait to get my hands on my order.
great review, short and to the point
It's a great time for coffee lovers as there are now many budget-friendly flat burr grinders available, such as the DF64/83 and this. This was unimaginable just a few years ago. I have been using the Lagom P64 with SSP for the past few months, and while it's a great end-game quality grinder, it's not perfect. However, if quality budget flat burr grinders become more available, they will likely lose more and more consumers to their competitors. If the 78 model offered SSP burr options, I definitely would not have purchased the Lagom P64 if I could go back in time.
I've backed the 064. I wish they were sending the 064 out to reviewers as well
I’m in! I’ve pledged for the two espresso models.
Would love to hear comparisons to the other models, 078 and 078s, and differences in pour over taste between S vs Turbo Burrs.
I believe will send a 078s to me at some point, that would be the only other one I’d be interested in as I don’t do a lot of filter and a filter only grinder wouldn’t be my thing.
Aramse from India just put out an i depth video for the 078
@@Sprometheus hope they get one to you before the kickstarter campaign closes! 😊
I'm also curious about how swapping in the ode v2 burrs would affect the brews though I assume using those burrs would make it less useful for espresso. Thanks for the great review and insights!
Backed thanks to your review!
This looks great! I modded a kitchenaid flat burr grinder to accept mazzer mini burrs and be stepless and its overall design and performance look similar to the 064S in this review. It's been my espresso (and on occasion pour over) grinder for over 10 years and I couldn't be happier with it's performance. If it ever dies, 064s will likely replace it.
Can’t wait to get mine, upgrading from the sage ‘smart’ grinder pro
1st grinder that made me upgrade my niche ….you sum it brother it’s the Big Bang for your buck 👍🏼
💯 no upgrade to a niche 😂
Yeah I'll just keep my Dyson to vacuum the living room.. Seriously though this looks like a great grinder for the price and I might even end up with one at some point. Would be keen to see a comparison with the Ode.
~450 is amazing price for 64mm grinder. That matte white color looks amazing to boot.
Thank you my friend.
Of course! Thank you for watching. Have a good weekend my friend.
Great content spro. Wish you would have covered how the SSPs perform. Apparently HU can only be used at higher rpms. Would love to see how all the 64mm SSPs perform in this.
Kyle Rowsell commented on the multipurpose burrs in his video, he said no shut off at lower RPM on finest grind :)
It's wild that they added screws to get to the burrs in this one. In the brew version, with the turbo burrs, there are no tools required. I wonder what that's about.
Grinders of this caliber at this price point is extremely exciting! I think if I upgrade from my niche I would go the non traditional route and get a more traditional (pun intended) grinder. I’ve got my eye on the LUCCA atom 75 simply for the micrometer readout + big burrs
I’m having a great time with the niche but single dosing all the time has me yearning for a 3 second OD grinder more and more. Grass is always greener!
Thank you for the video! Two questions. One, how is the grinding speed? And two, for the workflow - I assume this dosing cup requires a lot of WDT to prevent donut channeling? Would it be practical to instead grind directly into the portafilter?
Did the grinder ever stall as you're grinding for espresso in lower rpm's? Was the force of the motor sufficient with the ssp burrs?
Just backed 64s. Really love the workflow of this grinder. Hopefully it’s a good upgrade from Eureka Specialita.
I wonder how this with SSP compares to P64 🤔
Great video as usual. I’ve backed the Sculpture 64 turbo since I mainly brew pour over. Will be interesting to see how the workflow turnout! Definitely a bang for the buck.
Thanks Wyn! And I’m very curious about the turbo burrs, they look so unique, but I’m an espresso boy through and through so the ‘s’ models are what I’m looking at. But I’m sure it’ll perform well, and maybe I’ll buy the turbo burrs separate someday to try them out.
Being new in the espresso world I really appreciate your review! It looks like this should do pour-over and espresso just fine! The 78s was out of my price range. Thanks again!
Nice review, on point as usual! I've backed the 064s so, on your experience with this one, do you think it can grind Turkish?
Hey man, I currently have a v5 DF64 from espresso outlet on preorder. Given the features on this grinder would you recommend still going with the DF64 or cancelling and ordering this one instead?
I pre ordered this bad boy. I have a Sette 270 currently. Excited to see which grinder will ends up sticking around. Looks are great but performance is all that matters. Psyched for the showdown.
Same
For $299 this is a no brainer. Well done timemore
What was your espresso range on the dial (assuming chirping at 0) for light roasts? My only worry is the small range both on 64s and 78s compared to my Eureka mignon SD.
With the retail price at 450 usd, how would it compare to the similarly priced df64p?
Thank you for your review as this grinder piqued my interest for sure.
The 064s is on my list for when my current grinder needs replaced. I would like to have your opinion on noise level. What is the retention, on average? Your point on deep cleaning is well taken, what is your opinion of Grindz? By the time my grinder needs replaced, or 6 months whichever comes first, the grinder field will be totally different and I will have to research afresh.
I backed their Kickstarter for a 078s.
I already own a eureka mignon turbo so I am all covered on the 64/65 mm flat burrs with it and i can swap ssp burrs down the road.
I wouldn't have bought a second grinder just for having bigger burrs and variable rpm if it wasn't for the price of the 078s.
Will you get your hands on the 078s also?
I backed it but I'm thinking of getting the 78s for both brew and espresso
I ordered the 64s on the first day of the Kickstarter. My only issue may be the silly dosing cup! After spending so much time working out a great grinder, why did they drop the ball on something as simple as a dosing cup? I guess I'll be buying a separate cup.
The 78s Seems like a way better grinder to me and considerably quieter. I backed it night of release.
I bought the acaia orbit because it does everything the p64 does but for less. It's definitely not as good of a grinder and I have some complaints, but not enough to make the price difference worth it. The sculptor may just be a market breaker. It does evening you want without having to spend well over 1k. It's got endgame features for into level investment. That's massive.
How is dialing in espresso? Good room for adjustment, or is the range a very small window on the dial? Thanks for your review.
How would you compare this to the DF83 in terms of cup quality and profile from the stock burrs?
I have the ode with ssp’s and I’m not looking to get rid of it, but I’m looking for an espresso specific grinder. Is this or the 73s the best option (relative price range) or do you think there is a better single dose flat out there?
Hmmm this has me rethinking my pledge. I’m debating running an Ode 2 (for pour over) and 064s (for espresso) OR getting the 078s as an all purpose single grinder. Any opinions?
I'm surprised no one has mentioned or complained that the RPM control is on the BACK of the grinder!
Isn't that awkward? On my crowded coffee bench, I'm never going to be able to view what setting it is at! I also used the Weber Key blindly like that (which has RPM control on the side, but hard to see due to limited space beside the grinder for me) just going by sound and position of the switch and estimating, like ok Half power is about xx RPM and 1/4 turn power is xy RPM.
Nice looking grinder with great specs. As far as Kickstarters are concerned, these companies need to be able to develop new products on their own, IMO.
Even the multi billion dollars Phillips uses kickstarter for some products.
It not only helps fund the project but helps with marketing
I'm planning to buy one but not sure on how to clean it, and how often...
any thoughts?
Would a Niche dosing cup align well on the magnet?
Hey Sprometheus, for espresso (Flair 58) pour over (V60), what do you think about this 064S? I currently have a JX-Pro hand grinder which I truly love. But making espresso with it, it's way to hard. So I was thinking of replacing the JX and it seems like the 064S is the way to go (even at current Indiegogo pricing). Thanks!
How do you feel about this vs the Lagom P64? Debating whether I should cancel my P64 order 😅
Does it have a pre-breaker like the Zerno? looks like it does when you took it apart. 2:45
Are we better than the ODE in terms of burr alignment?
Yeah I want it
any idea if and when these are coming to market?
It should be noted that this grinder is now 329 usd. I backed it when it was 299 but I guess it has gone up since.
I have had two varia vs3’s motors die on me. Do you think this will have similar problems due to the undersized motor?
I have chestnut X and their scales and this might be next, I will wait for actual release :P
Used your code a few weeks ago and really enjoyed one of the Square Mile but not their other. I really wish you could choose more than just roaster or level because it genuinely is a really well done product but their lack of customization is stopping me from getting a monthly subscription
What do you miss in timemore 064s compared to the p64?
Will the final production version have the Chinese characters on the speed adjustment dial?
As far as competition the DF64V comes to mind, but even that is 599USD (+ shipping)
When talking about retention this 17g in 16.9g out is pointless.... This only accounts for consistency of output not retention. So how high is the retention and exchanged retention?
Supposedly you don't use RDT cause the retention thing is supposed to catch most of the chaff (and if you RDT then it can't capture it). How is the internal retention if you don't use RDT?
This or the eureka single dose, What you think?
I want ur opinion both considering the price and not considering it
Are the burrs on the 64s similar / same as the itamil?
Will you be doing a review on the DF64V?
I am in a weird place. I am debating between this 064S and a Eureka Mignon Zero. The Eureka is a bit more expensive (about 60 EUR), but I can get it tomorrow (and with local warranty) . This on the other hand is a Kickstarter with way to many orders IMO, to expect it will ship on time. Also, everyone is comparing it with other 64mm grinders and pointing out its a good bargain, but what about smaller grinders (like the Eureka) . After all, if the difference is only grind speed then the the choice wouldn't be so obvious.
This makes me regret getting the ode 2. Ode 2 is still great, but this timemore lineup looks incredible.
I can really only see myself kickstarting a coffee product from an established company. I can’t imagine backing the meticulous or something like that. I would feel comfortable backing these grinders though.
I also backed September Coffee (Kyle Roswell's roastery), because I thought the likelihood of receiving my coffee was nearly 100%, and I trusted that Kyle would get it going- and wanted to be able to help him.
I backed the Meticulous together with the 078s and the Nanofoamer pro.
Definitely the Meticulous was the one I was most worried about, but since they've got backed in amount of almost 3m USD, I'm a bit less concerned now.
WOuld be good if it had a small 250g hopper option
I backed the big brother the 78s as it sounds like it’s notch up in both build and cup results. Important if you like me is very light roast drinkers and intend to run these at “low” RPM. I’m definitely looking forward to it. I suspect we see their v2 ending the same place as Ode v2 with a larger hopper to accommodate a more pronounced slope into the prebreaker.
Sprometheus says he ran this at low RPM for a light roast and had no stalling issues! Maybe Kyle's using some super light roasts or his had some issues with it, which isn't a good sign either way (quality control wise). I figured they limited the 'low' RPM to a relatively high (but OK) 800RPM to avoid stalling issues, I think it's weird the much more powerful 078 models are also limited to 800RPM I'm sure they COULD go to 600 without any issues at least.
@@BensCoffeeRants Different beans have different densities- even at identical roast levels, one bean can be much harder to grind than another. Thankfully, there's an easy workaround to prevent stalls- just slowly feed in the beans while the grinder is running. I grind light roast washed ethiopian (Heart most recently) espresso-fine on my Ode Gen 2, which has even less power, every time I make coffee. 0 Stalls ever. Granted it's pushing 1400 rpm all the time, but still. Timemore should have probably gone with a slower-feeding auger to mitigate this issue IMO. I Just went 078S personally.
@@Zirassi Yep that seems to be the safest bet. Also there's benefits to slow feeding the grinder (better grind consistency) but not everyone has patience for that.
@@Zirassi They definitely should, it would also have reduced popcorning
Zerno also had minor issues with their first iteration of the feeder, so they plan to offer different designs.
3d printing is your friend - have already seen the first add-on 3d printed hoppers with steeper feeder.
The sculptor seems like an incredible “entry level” flat burr grinder especially if you take advantage of the early bird deals. Hopefully timemore can pull off consistent QC when full production starts.
I’d say it may be an entry level price, but performs beyond that. As a an all arounder I’m very happy with it overall.
The Timemore 064S appears to have a similar feature set to the Urbanic 080, and falls in the same price range. The grind retention knocker (or anti static ionizer), and variable brushless DC motor are cool features that I hope more electric grinder manufacturers pick up on.
Are you going to be reviewing any of the other Sculptor models? Nice to hear some good things about the 064s burrs! :)
They I believe want to send me a 078s but didn’t have a U.S. model ready to go. So not sure when that is happening.
@@Sprometheus I look forward to your review! Hope they get one to you.
I would be interesting to compare this with ode v.2
I don’t think there’s much of a comparison to be made, the sculptor is being compared to grinders well above that level
Do you have the 078S as well? Is a review of that one coming up, too? I'd especially appreciate a comparison of the two sizes!
I don’t, but hoping to change that soon. They planned on sending both at the same time but didn’t have one with a US plug at the time.
Any plans on reviewing the 78S model as well?
That’s the one I hope to be getting my hands on soon. They mentioned wanting to get me one, but didn’t have a US model ready to send me.
From the reviews of this machine.. it's the first one that's made me question my niche.
the static is lame, but the niche has that too. the popcorn will hopefully be solved either before final production or aftermarket. and although the niche dosing cup is something that feels so nice to use, it's not the most important piece of UX
It does look like a fancy sewing machine though
I backed the 78s, looks like an amazing grinder.
Yeah, I’m confident that all the models are a solid buy.
It has a more powerful motor, I am waiting for it to come out. Want to upgrade my Speciality 55 to this or some conical 68+ grinder.
Do you think that the 078s is a competitor for the df83 ?
@@mazon370 shurly to V1 at least
@@mazon370 I think 078 actually has larger burrs than a DF 83. Pre breaker auger and vertical burr mount is also an advantage. I do enjoy the df83 a lot though I'll have a 078s to compare later!
4:07 I need to know what glass carafe this is!
It looks kinda like a ode , but this is 150 more . Is it really that much better ?
So I can pledge up to roughly 700$ on kickstarter but I can’t see any difference doing this over the $329. Can someone explain?
Did you experience any stalling? Thanks
My issue with this grinder is a) that plastic used for the hopper looks a tad cheap and flimsy, compared to the rest of the device (this is coming from a Niche owner that famously has a yogurt lid) b) the motor on the 64mm version is reaaally struggling. Other reviewers pointed that out and it something to be worried about. Lastly longevity, but it's too early to say.
So its between this 064s, the DF64V(or is it V2?), and the Gevi...Which one? The one? I can get for a better deal :-)
Question, would you get the 64S if you’re only doing filter coffee to have the stepless adjustment and more RPM range or would you recommend staying with the standard 64?
Thank you so much
That’s a good question, and hard for me to answer without having tried the 064 and it’s Turbo burrs. But personally, I find the 064s to be incredibly capable, and essentially the 1-4 range on the dial is espresso, and you have another 12 or so notches to dial in filter. Plus, you can always swap in a different set of burrs. So I’d go for the 064s over the 064.
@@Sprometheus thank you so much for the quick response! Fantastic!!
So the burrs look an awful lot like Mazzer 33Ms or Italmill 64s. Pretty classic blendy burrs but much better when not hopper grinding and having a ton of regrind.
Mazzer 33Ms and Italmill 64mm are quite different burrsets in cup and from looks...
@@tommihommi1 Not really. The geometry is almost identical, and they taste about the same too.
3:02 is it me or is that burr not aligned?
If the production units wind up matching these review units in terms of QC, then this is a no brainer. And I sincerely hope for all the backers that they do!! That said, I'm personally a bit skeptical of this marketing tactic of sending out pre-production prototypes to reviewers. It's a LOT easier to ensure quality across a few dozen "press-ready" prototype units than it is to do the same for thousands across a production batch. Maybe they'll knock it out of the park and the price of my skepticism will be the early bird discount I'm not jumping on but only time will tell.
In a lot of circumstances I’m prone to agreeing. But Timemore is a trusted brand, and I think they’ll come through. But there is always a chance.
In Kyle Roswell's review, he found that the failsafe tended to trigger with light roast, low RPM, minimum grind size - any chance you tested at those settings and had a different experience?
If it stalled on me I’d mention it. I had no issues like that, but literally grinding on the finest setting, and lowest RPM with the lightest roast possible sounds like trying to trigger it. Through normal use, and for me a 17g espresso was ground around .5 of a turn, I had no issues.
@@Sprometheus Awesome, thanks! This is going to be my first enthusiast level grinder, sounds like it'll be a great entry point from what I'm hearing.
@@xomm congrats! I think you’ll be very happy with it.
@@Sprometheus interesting I wonder if Kyle was using like barely roasted coffee.
How is this compared to df83?