Yes Please, waiting to see the new rav4 Hybrid 2019 on 3 rollers and compared to CRV Hybrid ! Thanks for the actual video, we can see that Toyota have done a real awd with his Hybrid !
Thanks for testing. Searched TH-cam every day for this Video to appear. The 5th gen does much better. Trail Mode seems to help! I dont need more. Enough for Winter and gravelroads.
2019 RAV4 hybrid XSE owner going through first winter here in Alberta, very impressed with the AWD on snow and ice! Of course winter tires are more important but the AWD helps off the line as well.
Good to see that Toyota fixed that bad flaw, however if just software as claimed by Toyota then no reason why the 2017 model cannot just get a software firmware update to correct that problem.
It's not in Toyota's best financial interest to provide free updates for their old products. Ultimately they want to sell you a new car and it make sense to lock "fixes" behind a paywall
@@gforce95vn There is always one that has to bring up about Tesla and how great their proprietary system of updates that can fix bugs but introduce new bugs. I would much rather have a brand of car that I can take in every year and get an update that has been fully tested before being sent out for beta testing.
5th Gen AWD hybrid isn't just good on ice and snow, impressive for mild/moderate off-roading as well. Of course if you want real off-roading get AT tires.
Well I wouldn't say "well done Toyota" but rather "finally acceptable!" It doesn't shine and gen 4 owners should get a free upgrade if possible or compensation! It was awful and not what most would consider close to any form of AWD...
If the guys from Toyota build such models without mechanical LSD's, then at least they have to implement a good assistant system... but in the 2017 model there is nothing of that. It's an insolence to call it "4x4"
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the Q211 in my wife's 2009 Highlander is the same, does NOTHING- I unplugged a speed sensor to disable traction control (no button) during the winter months to climb our steep driveway in feet of wet snow. Hope the Q610 is better
New Rav 4 is way better, in North America Rav 4 is avaialable with 3 different versions of AWD. YT chanel called “car question” tested it and Ravka did pretty good.
I drive the 2023 RAV4 Hybrid. Idk, but it feels like they updated the AWD system or something… I was able to climb a VERY steep snowy hill here in Portland/Beaverton, Oregon when it snowed…. But idk. In a few months, I’m going to put winter tires on, and drive out to the snow and HOPE that I don’t get stuck. My Prius Prime did well, so I shouldn’t be too worried?
On the gen 4 the AWD is simply there to increase the towing capacity. It isn’t a off-road vehicle. What I did find out is that the rear axle does more with light throttle input. The 2019 has a larger electric motor for the rear axle and different software so it behaves better.
@@moonsapling the 5th gen RAV4 (from 2019) has a completely different rear motor. Less power and torque but a different gear ratio resulting in higher wheel torque. Together with the new design the introduced a new location to connect the high voltage wires and they chose the worst place possible which has led to a class action lawsuit in Canada.
@@meeder78 idk where you get your information from but having disassembled seen both 2019 and 2017 version of these motors taken apart I assure you, at least the ones in my area, were really similar. I also spoke about it with a Toyota tech guy when they were introducing the new 2019 RAV4 in my country and he confirmed the motor is mostly the same with a few revised parts. Horsepower remains the same but it gives a bit more torque. He stated the biggest improvement in the motor was actually the way it now enganges and operates. Having said that both 2017 and 2019 of the hybrid RAV4 are quite capable despite the roller tests.
@@moonsapling for some reason my previous answer was deleted (maybe because it contained a link). The 4th gen RAV4 hybrid (2015-2018) used the Q211 rear axle with the 2FM motor (50kW/139Nm). The combined gear ratio is 6.859:1. The 5th gen RAV4 hybrid (2019 onwards) uses the Q610 rear axle with the 4NM motor (40kW/120Nm) with a combined gear ratio of 10.781:1. When looking under both 4th and 5th gen RAV4's you can clearly see the difference between the two rear axle designs. Internally they look pretty similar in terms of layout but the specifications are really different.
@@meeder78 thank you for your answer and may I be excused for my mistake. I will do more research on Google definitely! Yes the design layout was pretty similar but you are right they arent the same. Thanks for correcting me!
It has a "hang-on"-AWD system, that means rear axle is coupled by a clutch to drive train and the clutch is electronic controlled. And so the AWD depends completly on sensors and electronic components. And they "dont know" what to do in this case...
@@b.s.7693 Next video will be hybrid Rav4 vs hybrid CR-V (incl. test on three rolelrs). Hybrid CR-V has propeller shaft, like petrol version and so far it seems to be better solution.
Toyota have experience with 4wd cars they should build a software where it detects low traction situations and not spin it's tires like mad. One more thing should divert power instantly to the wheel with the most minimal spin. Electronically it's more simple than mechanical so i don't know how they messed up!
Takiego testu jeszcze nie widziałem, ciekawe. Ciekawe też czy Toyota sama robi takie testy, z tego wynika, że do 4 generacji nie. Nie bardzo wiadomo co z tego testu w filmiku wynika, dlaczego nie ma do tego filmu komentarza wyjaśniającego, skoro już tyle energii włożyliście w ten test? Pozdrawiam
Jeśli nie bardzo wiesz, co z tego testu wynika, to polecam poniższe video, prowadzący wyjaśnia podstawy: th-cam.com/video/mryGnENTsoI/w-d-xo.html Co do komentarza, to pozostawiamy to widzom, nie oceniamy wyników. Polecam zapoznanie się z naszym kanałem ;)
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers dziękuje bardzo, to wyjaśnia zasadność i sens tego rodzaju testu. Czy moglibyście przeprowadzić test nowej Toyoty RAV4 AWD Hybrid w terenie a konkretnie napędu 4xEclectrik4? Jeszcze nikt tego na polskim YT nie zrobił. Widziałem na innych testach z USA, że tylni napęd niestety jest słaby. Podaję przykład: th-cam.com/video/xeMgL5JGbpI/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/llramhpjPAw/w-d-xo.html Oraz realne spalanie, podobno Toyota też kłamie jak WV ale nie jeśli chodzi o wartości Co2 tylko spalanie tzn to co pokazuje komp odbiega od realnego spalania.
@@TWARDOWSKY. Niestety testów terenowych nie przeprowadzamy, nie jesteśmy redakcją czy instytucją motoryzacyjną :) To fun channel, działalność hobbistyczna.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers szkoda, ale ok rozumiem :) dzięki. Czy faktycznie tylna oś RAV4 jest słaba? Co możecie powiedzieć o napędzie RAV4 AWD 5 generacji? Pozdrawiam
@@TWARDOWSKY. Zależy, czy pytasz o hybrydę czy o standardową wersję. W hybrydzie tylna oś rzeczywiście mogłaby pracować intensywniej, choć w 5 generacji jest już znacznie lepiej niż w 4, ale nadal gorzej niż w klasycznej wersji benzynowej: th-cam.com/video/kBaaM5ECZ1k/w-d-xo.html Dla przeciętnego (nie terenowego) użytkowania napęd nowej Rav5 hybrid na pewno się sprawdzi.
Hi, I have a 2017 since last year... and I believe it is Ok for moderate OFF ROAD and good for snow.. never drived any other awd before... but it looks like the rollers and the independent electrical motors do not work, rollers offer non resistance so as soon as you step on the accelerator front wheels (both on rollers) will move but there is no torque on enought on rear wheels... on the other hand the Tesla works properly...
Hi. Check the test of 3008 Hybrid4 which has almost the same awd system: th-cam.com/video/sHodMNHpJA4/w-d-xo.html When it comes to rollers - here is how these tests are vs real conditions: th-cam.com/video/926i0zqteXE/w-d-xo.html
@@eddieisenfuss2265 In other words - you have to stop and push ESP off button for three seconds to force the system to do what it should do without any drivers input? Please notice that test on two rollers is the most easy one... Non hybrid versions doesn't have such problems at all: th-cam.com/video/oxluunv9Ebg/w-d-xo.html
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers when you only turn off the electronic stability program (ESP) which works with brakes, it dosent make sense. The anti slippery program (ASR) has to stop, so that all wheels become force, no matter if they have grip. Because there is only an electric communication betwen the front motors and the electric backmotor. in the manual you can read that. In slippery conditions (like ice and snow)you have to turn off the ASR, not only the ESP.
@@SuperLiconic Zgadza się, wersje nie-hybrydowe mają taką funkcję, ale nie działa ona tak, jak Trail w gen 5. Test jest tutaj: th-cam.com/video/bYveIAKFodw/w-d-xo.html
I've seen plenty of videos like this and I really don't like them. Search TH-cam. Watch some videos from Japan or Europe where they they put these vehicles through their paces and show the real capabilities of the RAV4s from every generations. These videos incredibly vanilla and misleading.
Faktycznie porażka. Rozpatrywanie RAV4 jako AWD z zamiarem jego wykorzystania jest ustawieniem się w kolejce po problemy. Pojawił się lub pojawi test nowego Forestera, Octavii lub superb?
Nie-hybrydowy napęd RAV4 działa całkiem sprawnie. Lipa jest w hybrydach, choć i tak obecna RAV4 Hybrid spisuje się znacznie lepiej niż Yaris Cross: th-cam.com/video/BhxCJH4-uxQ/w-d-xo.html Forester jest: th-cam.com/video/VercXAo4rog/w-d-xo.html Skody niestety nie ma.
Hybrid awd is useless even in the latest model, rear e motor hasn’t got enough power to pull the car , Toyota knows that and in us they offer this rav4 with v6 petrol and proper awd that actually is as good as Audi and land rover , hybrids better fwd to save weight and equip with suitable tyres, you won’t go wrong .
Not impressed with my 2019 rav4 xse hybrid in snow with the best winter tires. Went to turn around in some snow that wasn’t that crazy and the front two wheels were spinning. The back wheels never kicked in to help get me out and I ended up waiting 4 hours for a tow truck. The front wheels were the only ones spinning after numerous attempts and various modes even pressing the traction control off button which I don’t think works either. Just kicks back in right away. Guess my suv actually isn’t “AWD”
That's strange. In current generation the system looks like working fine. Not the greatest but at least some power is going to the back. Did you try Trail mode?
@@osal4323 The difference is in rollers. Those from TFL are flat, wheel is on the top of them. Mine are different, wheel sits deep inside so it has to climb up to move forward, much more force is needed.
So the 2019 rav4 is bad offroad and the 2017 rav 4 4x4 just acted like a 2x4? That the previous model was crap does not make the new one good, just not as bad
Lol nobody is buying a RAV4 hybrid expecting it to be world-class off-road. This is just showing it is more capable than the previous gen. I have the 2019 and I'm pleased with its ability off-road. I've also owned a lifted XJ with 35s. They are completely different use cases.
@@devenswiergiel9324 you are right but the previous rav4 was not even a 4x4 , based on the video. How do you like your new one? I might buy one but i am not shure if i am ok with the cvt couse i have a lot of mountain roads to cover and i think the constant high revs might make me unhappy after a while
@@SuperV8driver I love it. I have the XSE hybrid which is grey on black, it's sweet. And honestly, it's surprisingly quiet most of the time. The electric motors share the load most of the time which allows the engine to not have to work as hard. I only notice the engine noise when I absolutely send it with the pedal to the floor.
@@devenswiergiel9324 Yeah, but most people expect it to work like a normal Toyota 4x4, not worse. They buy a crossover also for better off road purposes, so it really undermines the car.
@@cytrynowy_melon6604 @Tom Wheeler This is AWD, not 4x4. People buy compact SUVs for daily commuting, good passenger room & cargo capacity. AWD in these are for poor weather and weekend trips camping, etc. AWD in this new RAV4 does all these well which is why it's too selling compact SUV in the world.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers not exactly :) At least in Europe, for the end of 2019 the Forester and XV e-boxer are going to be sold. They have an hybrid system with a 118V Li-ion battery and an electric engine of about 12 kW, plus the classic FB20 gasoline with direct injection (150 HP) and the well know AWD plus the new X-MODE. In fact, the electric motor is inside the CVT. I already made a test drive on it: in 4 person we were able to climb on a 70% slope with sand and mud having the X-MODE in "Mud&Snow" mode. Subaru claims it to be a mild hybrid, but the system is able to move the car also on EV, clearly on short distances and low speed. It seems that below 80 km/h the engine is shut down when releasing the accelerator and there is enough battery charge. The HSD of Toyota is on the Crosstrek (US version of the European XV), but it's sold uniquely in US and is a plugin based on Toyota, so a totally different system in respect to the e-boxer-
@@MaurizioLattuada Mild hybrid is not a hybrid. That is in fact standard car with some help (~17 hp) from a little electric motor, so ACT-4 system remains the same. It can't be compared to hybrids like Rav4 or Outlander PHEV.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers it can move the auto on EV anyway, not like the other IMHO useless mild and micro hybrid. Nevertheless would be nice to see it on the rollers. Nice job by the way 👍
Questo sistema AWD é praticamente lo stesso della Prius AWD: non nasce con pretese Off Road. Tant'è che il nuovo modello pare migliore, ma non é poi così brillante.
Their hybrid AWD is worthless, didn’t do much help trying get out of driveway, our Subaru awd is the best and gets us anywhere. Btw we got rid of the rav4 hybrid useless in snow !!!
2019 Toyota Rav4's AWD was rated one of worst of all crossovers. Also, front Autostopping feature failed multiple times in testing. I like the new Rav4 but Toyota could have done better. Subaru fulltime AWD so much better.
Rated worst crossovers where? 2019 RAV4 is top-selling compact SUV world wide. Subaru makes it good AWD systems but rest of their vehicles are average. Lacklustre CVT compared to RAV4 hybrid ECVT. Obviously reliability, longevity and resale of Toyota's are superior to Subaru as well.
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2019 Honda CR-V HYBRID AWD vs 2019 Toyota RAV4 HYBRID AWD - video coming soon! (including test on three rollers).
Yes Please, waiting to see the new rav4 Hybrid 2019 on 3 rollers and compared to CRV Hybrid !
Thanks for the actual video, we can see that Toyota have done a real awd with his Hybrid !
Waiting for the rav4 iaw test ! Thanks for your videos
Here it is! th-cam.com/video/vTPvjjRpxS8/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for testing. Searched TH-cam every day for this Video to appear. The 5th gen does much better. Trail Mode seems to help! I dont need more. Enough for Winter and gravelroads.
I'm only in it for the Hybrid I've survived the toughest snows with just front wheel drive so this is just extra cream
2019 RAV4 hybrid XSE owner going through first winter here in Alberta, very impressed with the AWD on snow and ice! Of course winter tires are more important but the AWD helps off the line as well.
Good to see that Toyota fixed that bad flaw, however if just software as claimed by Toyota then no reason why the 2017 model cannot just get a software firmware update to correct that problem.
Yups that SW driven button seems to do magic. Would be nice to have it as a free upgrade to previous gen
It's not in Toyota's best financial interest to provide free updates for their old products. Ultimately they want to sell you a new car and it make sense to lock "fixes" behind a paywall
@@gforce95vn Wow some countries could claim that's a known fault and have a claim as it claims AWD yet fails badly
@@gregandkaruna6674 Not automaker wants to adopt strategies like Tesla where the car gets progressively better over time...
@@gforce95vn There is always one that has to bring up about Tesla and how great their proprietary system of updates that can fix bugs but introduce new bugs. I would much rather have a brand of car that I can take in every year and get an update that has been fully tested before being sent out for beta testing.
Love my 2019 Rav4 hybrid!!!!!!!!!!!
I had a 2017 rav4 hybrid. Drove it through thick snow for days and no issue at all. Even with about 10 inches of fresh snow I had No issues
Guessing you got proper tires which makes more difference then any AWD in winter. Wouldn't take that model Rav4 offroading though.
Awesome test! Thank you!! I was waiting for it every day, since I'm considering buying one. I need it to help on a snow, so it's enough for me.
5th Gen AWD hybrid isn't just good on ice and snow, impressive for mild/moderate off-roading as well. Of course if you want real off-roading get AT tires.
Huge difference!! Well done Toyota
LOL Toyota cheated 30 years on the AWD and you praised them for making something they supposed to make?
Well I wouldn't say "well done Toyota" but rather "finally acceptable!" It doesn't shine and gen 4 owners should get a free upgrade if possible or compensation! It was awful and not what most would consider close to any form of AWD...
Thank you so much! As always perfect - short and informative!
If the guys from Toyota build such models without mechanical LSD's, then at least they have to implement a good assistant system... but in the 2017 model there is nothing of that. It's an insolence to call it "4x4"
Świetny test, dziękuje!
Dziękuję Ci chłopie i gratuluję pierwszego testu na rolkach tego auta. No i oczywiście temu, co użyczył samochód. Co do wyniku... jest wyraźny progres, choć mogło by być szybciej 🙂
Dzięki :) Wkrótce będzie kolejny test, tym razem na trzech rolkach :)
the AWD system sucks in all honesty.
Rav4 vs CRV would be epic battle!
That will be another video, including three roller test :)
Wow!! HUGE difference! Thank you!
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@@4x4.tests.on.rollers soon! :)
@@imperia777 Actually we can already activate this function, we'll do that soon! 🙂
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers be sure to mention it in some future video
the Q211 in my wife's 2009 Highlander is the same, does NOTHING- I unplugged a speed sensor to disable traction control (no button) during the winter months to climb our steep driveway in feet of wet snow. Hope the Q610 is better
New Rav 4 is way better, in North America Rav 4 is avaialable with 3 different versions of AWD. YT chanel called “car question” tested it and Ravka did pretty good.
I'll have to check this out, thanks
Here it is available with two different awd systems, you can find both on my channel.
I drive the 2023 RAV4 Hybrid. Idk, but it feels like they updated the AWD system or something… I was able to climb a VERY steep snowy hill here in Portland/Beaverton, Oregon when it snowed…. But idk. In a few months, I’m going to put winter tires on, and drive out to the snow and HOPE that I don’t get stuck. My Prius Prime did well, so I shouldn’t be too worried?
There was software update in 2019/2020. Here's newer version: th-cam.com/video/Lu1g13ZfvnY/w-d-xo.html
On the gen 4 the AWD is simply there to increase the towing capacity. It isn’t a off-road vehicle.
What I did find out is that the rear axle does more with light throttle input.
The 2019 has a larger electric motor for the rear axle and different software so it behaves better.
It has the same 50kW(67hp) rear electric motor, only the software is updated.
@@moonsapling the 5th gen RAV4 (from 2019) has a completely different rear motor. Less power and torque but a different gear ratio resulting in higher wheel torque.
Together with the new design the introduced a new location to connect the high voltage wires and they chose the worst place possible which has led to a class action lawsuit in Canada.
@@meeder78 idk where you get your information from but having disassembled seen both 2019 and 2017 version of these motors taken apart I assure you, at least the ones in my area, were really similar. I also spoke about it with a Toyota tech guy when they were introducing the new 2019 RAV4 in my country and he confirmed the motor is mostly the same with a few revised parts. Horsepower remains the same but it gives a bit more torque. He stated the biggest improvement in the motor was actually the way it now enganges and operates.
Having said that both 2017 and 2019 of the hybrid RAV4 are quite capable despite the roller tests.
@@moonsapling for some reason my previous answer was deleted (maybe because it contained a link).
The 4th gen RAV4 hybrid (2015-2018) used the Q211 rear axle with the 2FM motor (50kW/139Nm). The combined gear ratio is 6.859:1.
The 5th gen RAV4 hybrid (2019 onwards) uses the Q610 rear axle with the 4NM motor (40kW/120Nm) with a combined gear ratio of 10.781:1.
When looking under both 4th and 5th gen RAV4's you can clearly see the difference between the two rear axle designs. Internally they look pretty similar in terms of layout but the specifications are really different.
@@meeder78 thank you for your answer and may I be excused for my mistake. I will do more research on Google definitely! Yes the design layout was pretty similar but you are right they arent the same. Thanks for correcting me!
Would love to see a Gen 1 vs Gen 2 test.
Gen 2 is here: th-cam.com/video/AP98iNAbuVI/w-d-xo.html
And here: th-cam.com/video/oIXhJT5oslo/w-d-xo.html
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers great! Thank you :)
I've got an 18 and in deep snow, we could see all of the wheels were driving, so did they address the issues with the 17s?
These systems, even in previous generation work quite fine if there is low μ for all wheels.
Good video but I will get new RAV4 hybrid AWD anyway
Nice! But you need improve a new model of rollers with lateral support. Thanks.
Thanks! There is no such need, tiny corrections by steering wheel are fully enough to keep the car on rollers.
Thank you. This is a very informative video.
Why the 2016 RAV is still tested on blue rollers? I would like the test to be on the same rollers.
These are the the same rollers.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Ok, thanks.
2:24 There's something wrong when a wheel won't even spin on a roller.
It has a "hang-on"-AWD system, that means rear axle is coupled by a clutch to drive train and the clutch is electronic controlled. And so the AWD depends completly on sensors and electronic components. And they "dont know" what to do in this case...
@@b.s.7693 No. Hybrid version has separate electric motor for rear axle. There is no propeller shaft.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers your right. I missed that its about the hybrid version
@@b.s.7693 Next video will be hybrid Rav4 vs hybrid CR-V (incl. test on three rolelrs). Hybrid CR-V has propeller shaft, like petrol version and so far it seems to be better solution.
Toyota have experience with 4wd cars they should build a software where it detects low traction situations and not spin it's tires like mad.
One more thing should divert power instantly to the wheel with the most minimal spin.
Electronically it's more simple than mechanical so i don't know how they messed up!
It's the same with new ones: th-cam.com/video/BhxCJH4-uxQ/w-d-xo.html
Is it possible to test the 2WD hybrid model.?really like to see..tnx
We can test it if we find one.
All very well, but in profile the 2017 RAV4 looks a million times better .
Takiego testu jeszcze nie widziałem, ciekawe. Ciekawe też czy Toyota sama robi takie testy, z tego wynika, że do 4 generacji nie. Nie bardzo wiadomo co z tego testu w filmiku wynika, dlaczego nie ma do tego filmu komentarza wyjaśniającego, skoro już tyle energii włożyliście w ten test? Pozdrawiam
Jeśli nie bardzo wiesz, co z tego testu wynika, to polecam poniższe video, prowadzący wyjaśnia podstawy: th-cam.com/video/mryGnENTsoI/w-d-xo.html
Co do komentarza, to pozostawiamy to widzom, nie oceniamy wyników. Polecam zapoznanie się z naszym kanałem ;)
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers dziękuje bardzo, to wyjaśnia zasadność i sens tego rodzaju testu. Czy moglibyście przeprowadzić test nowej Toyoty RAV4 AWD Hybrid w terenie a konkretnie napędu 4xEclectrik4? Jeszcze nikt tego na polskim YT nie zrobił. Widziałem na innych testach z USA, że tylni napęd niestety jest słaby. Podaję przykład: th-cam.com/video/xeMgL5JGbpI/w-d-xo.html th-cam.com/video/llramhpjPAw/w-d-xo.html Oraz realne spalanie, podobno Toyota też kłamie jak WV ale nie jeśli chodzi o wartości Co2 tylko spalanie tzn to co pokazuje komp odbiega od realnego spalania.
@@TWARDOWSKY. Niestety testów terenowych nie przeprowadzamy, nie jesteśmy redakcją czy instytucją motoryzacyjną :) To fun channel, działalność hobbistyczna.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers szkoda, ale ok rozumiem :) dzięki. Czy faktycznie tylna oś RAV4 jest słaba? Co możecie powiedzieć o napędzie RAV4 AWD 5 generacji? Pozdrawiam
@@TWARDOWSKY. Zależy, czy pytasz o hybrydę czy o standardową wersję. W hybrydzie tylna oś rzeczywiście mogłaby pracować intensywniej, choć w 5 generacji jest już znacznie lepiej niż w 4, ale nadal gorzej niż w klasycznej wersji benzynowej: th-cam.com/video/kBaaM5ECZ1k/w-d-xo.html
Dla przeciętnego (nie terenowego) użytkowania napęd nowej Rav5 hybrid na pewno się sprawdzi.
Hi, I have a 2017 since last year... and I believe it is Ok for moderate OFF ROAD and good for snow.. never drived any other awd before... but it looks like the rollers and the independent electrical motors do not work, rollers offer non resistance so as soon as you step on the accelerator front wheels (both on rollers) will move but there is no torque on enought on rear wheels... on the other hand the Tesla works properly...
Hi. Check the test of 3008 Hybrid4 which has almost the same awd system: th-cam.com/video/sHodMNHpJA4/w-d-xo.html
When it comes to rollers - here is how these tests are vs real conditions: th-cam.com/video/926i0zqteXE/w-d-xo.html
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers When you did this test.. did you step down the accelerator with control traction on?
@@godzy49 Different attempts. ON, Trail Mode and some attempts with OFF which you can find here: th-cam.com/video/vTPvjjRpxS8/w-d-xo.html
Ok the 5th gen you would stop and try again but the other you're just continuing rotating the wheels without a stop?????...Not fair enough
It's not the matter of stoping, but different level of acceleration pedal. Driver of 4th gen tried all options.
No, he tried not all options! He had to stop and push the ESP-button for 3seconds. Then also the ASR-funktion is off! And that matters!
@@eddieisenfuss2265 In other words - you have to stop and push ESP off button for three seconds to force the system to do what it should do without any drivers input? Please notice that test on two rollers is the most easy one... Non hybrid versions doesn't have such problems at all: th-cam.com/video/oxluunv9Ebg/w-d-xo.html
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers when you only turn off the electronic stability program (ESP) which works with brakes, it dosent make sense. The anti slippery program (ASR) has to stop, so that all wheels become force, no matter if they have grip. Because there is only an electric communication betwen the front motors and the electric backmotor. in the manual you can read that. In slippery conditions (like ice and snow)you have to turn off the ASR, not only the ESP.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers in your proposed video is none Hybrid! Theres no 2.0 liter hybrid RAV 4. RAV 4 hybrids have all 2.5 liters gasoline engines!
I'm curious tonsee how Toyota's crawl control will work on rollers.
Yeap, that would be interesting.
Dlaczego w 4 gen zamiast użyć przycisku "lock", który zadziałałby tak jak "trail" w V , wyłączyliście ESP ?
To hybryda, nie ma funkcji lock.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Ok, w 2.0 150 KM jest i działa stąd moje zdziwienie. Dzięki za dobry i merytoryczny film. Pozdrawiam!
@@SuperLiconic Zgadza się, wersje nie-hybrydowe mają taką funkcję, ale nie działa ona tak, jak Trail w gen 5. Test jest tutaj: th-cam.com/video/bYveIAKFodw/w-d-xo.html
Super test. A porównał bym rav 4 hybrid z Rav 4 Dcat 2.0 awd
Jeśli masz taką wersję, to zapraszam na test 🙂
Ok.
So wich suv is the 2019 is ?
Like in description - 2019 goes first.
Are the same tires?
No, this test is about power distribution, not grip.
I've seen plenty of videos like this and I really don't like them. Search TH-cam. Watch some videos from Japan or Europe where they they put these vehicles through their paces and show the real capabilities of the RAV4s from every generations. These videos incredibly vanilla and misleading.
Please show me any video with gen IV Rav4 Hybrid where it is doing some real good job.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers you can search and find like I did.
@@ferdinandtorres3930 Haven't found any with good job.
Faktycznie porażka. Rozpatrywanie RAV4 jako AWD z zamiarem jego wykorzystania jest ustawieniem się w kolejce po problemy. Pojawił się lub pojawi test nowego Forestera, Octavii lub superb?
Nie-hybrydowy napęd RAV4 działa całkiem sprawnie. Lipa jest w hybrydach, choć i tak obecna RAV4 Hybrid spisuje się znacznie lepiej niż Yaris Cross: th-cam.com/video/BhxCJH4-uxQ/w-d-xo.html
Forester jest: th-cam.com/video/VercXAo4rog/w-d-xo.html
Skody niestety nie ma.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers Octavię 2022 4x4 mogę udostępnić na początku października kiedy będę w Polsce. Sam jestem ciekaw...
@@jg1003 Zapraszam.
Must claim ignorance as to 4th vs 5th. I thought the 2019 Hybrid was 4th - when did they become 5th?
4th: 2013 - 2019
5th: 2019 - now
Hybrid awd is useless even in the latest model, rear e motor hasn’t got enough power to pull the car , Toyota knows that and in us they offer this rav4 with v6 petrol and proper awd that actually is as good as Audi and land rover , hybrids better fwd to save weight and equip with suitable tyres, you won’t go wrong .
This has to be worst in class. That turd is much closer to a 1 wheel drive than AWD. Very depressing results.
At least the white was indeed a turd. Selling it as a AWD at the time was false.
Opel antara 3,2 сделайте пожалуста тест!)))
So far no volunteers with Antara...
Not impressed with my 2019 rav4 xse hybrid in snow with the best winter tires. Went to turn around in some snow that wasn’t that crazy and the front two wheels were spinning. The back wheels never kicked in to help get me out and I ended up waiting 4 hours for a tow truck. The front wheels were the only ones spinning after numerous attempts and various modes even pressing the traction control off button which I don’t think works either. Just kicks back in right away. Guess my suv actually isn’t “AWD”
That's strange. In current generation the system looks like working fine. Not the greatest but at least some power is going to the back. Did you try Trail mode?
I don´t understand,in other videos the rav4 5gen i´ts very much quick pushing the car forward!
Hybrid?
Yes,hybrid
@@osal4323 Link it please.
th-cam.com/video/Vdjb8CrAA6w/w-d-xo.html@@4x4.tests.on.rollers
@@osal4323 The difference is in rollers. Those from TFL are flat, wheel is on the top of them. Mine are different, wheel sits deep inside so it has to climb up to move forward, much more force is needed.
So the 2019 rav4 is bad offroad and the 2017 rav 4 4x4 just acted like a 2x4? That the previous model was crap does not make the new one good, just not as bad
Lol nobody is buying a RAV4 hybrid expecting it to be world-class off-road. This is just showing it is more capable than the previous gen. I have the 2019 and I'm pleased with its ability off-road. I've also owned a lifted XJ with 35s. They are completely different use cases.
@@devenswiergiel9324 you are right but the previous rav4 was not even a 4x4 , based on the video.
How do you like your new one? I might buy one but i am not shure if i am ok with the cvt couse i have a lot of mountain roads to cover and i think the constant high revs might make me unhappy after a while
@@SuperV8driver I love it. I have the XSE hybrid which is grey on black, it's sweet. And honestly, it's surprisingly quiet most of the time. The electric motors share the load most of the time which allows the engine to not have to work as hard. I only notice the engine noise when I absolutely send it with the pedal to the floor.
@@devenswiergiel9324 Yeah, but most people expect it to work like a normal Toyota 4x4, not worse. They buy a crossover also for better off road purposes, so it really undermines the car.
@@cytrynowy_melon6604 @Tom Wheeler This is AWD, not 4x4. People buy compact SUVs for daily commuting, good passenger room & cargo capacity. AWD in these are for poor weather and weekend trips camping, etc. AWD in this new RAV4 does all these well which is why it's too selling compact SUV in the world.
The only thing the 5th gen fails is the 3 wheel test
Szału nie ma, ale jak na auto pseudotereneowe to TRIAL mode robi konkretną robote :)
A 1WD vs a 2WD, not bad.
Again, Subaru FTW.
Yeah. Too bad Subaru doesn't make a hybrid Forester or outback :(
Maurizio Lattuada
Don't be so sure, there was no hybrid Subaru tested. Furthermore, they are going to get hybrid technology from... Toyota.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers not exactly :) At least in Europe, for the end of 2019 the Forester and XV e-boxer are going to be sold. They have an hybrid system with a 118V Li-ion battery and an electric engine of about 12 kW, plus the classic FB20 gasoline with direct injection (150 HP) and the well know AWD plus the new X-MODE. In fact, the electric motor is inside the CVT.
I already made a test drive on it: in 4 person we were able to climb on a 70% slope with sand and mud having the X-MODE in "Mud&Snow" mode.
Subaru claims it to be a mild hybrid, but the system is able to move the car also on EV, clearly on short distances and low speed. It seems that below 80 km/h the engine is shut down when releasing the accelerator and there is enough battery charge.
The HSD of Toyota is on the Crosstrek (US version of the European XV), but it's sold uniquely in US and is a plugin based on Toyota, so a totally different system in respect to the e-boxer-
@@MaurizioLattuada Mild hybrid is not a hybrid. That is in fact standard car with some help (~17 hp) from a little electric motor, so ACT-4 system remains the same. It can't be compared to hybrids like Rav4 or Outlander PHEV.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers it can move the auto on EV anyway, not like the other IMHO useless mild and micro hybrid.
Nevertheless would be nice to see it on the rollers. Nice job by the way 👍
I guess they both failed the 3-roller test?
Gen 4 wasn't tested on three rollers. Video with gen 5 coming soon 🙂
The score depends on channel
What do you suggest?
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers I'm not too much keen on awd but I saw another tests and It performed much better
@@jakubek89 Link them please.
Questo sistema AWD é praticamente lo stesso della Prius AWD: non nasce con pretese Off Road. Tant'è che il nuovo modello pare migliore, ma non é poi così brillante.
What a crappy AWD system. Especially the 2017 model.
Hello
😳 Not good results 🤔
Their hybrid AWD is worthless, didn’t do much help trying get out of driveway, our Subaru awd is the best and gets us anywhere. Btw we got rid of the rav4 hybrid useless in snow !!!
LOL this is hilarious.
2019 Toyota Rav4's AWD was rated one of worst of all crossovers. Also, front Autostopping feature failed multiple times in testing. I like the new Rav4 but Toyota could have done better. Subaru fulltime AWD so much better.
Roma12 this is the hybrid version what you expect? Still is much better than previous version
Rated worst crossovers where? 2019 RAV4 is top-selling compact SUV world wide.
Subaru makes it good AWD systems but rest of their vehicles are average. Lacklustre CVT compared to RAV4 hybrid ECVT. Obviously reliability, longevity and resale of Toyota's are superior to Subaru as well.
The old really suck.
This is painful as all fuck to watch
Very bad, very very bad!
Rav4 2017 it is Fail. Where is 4lock?
It doesn't have lock option.
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers but my rav4 2018 have it.
@@КонстантинКоролев-л7з Hybrid??
@@4x4.tests.on.rollers no, it is 2l atmo 4gen. Gibryd it is 5 generation.
@@КонстантинКоролев-л7з This video shows 4gen hybrid and 5gen hybrid. No Lock option in any of them.
that 4th gen Rav4 is probably the worst car ever made
Toyota's AWD is a fucking scam.
aus erfahrung mit meinem rav4 phev (2021) plugin hybrid kann ich sagen technik top, verarbeitung seeeehr schlecht!!!!.
both are pathetic lol gread vid tho
i don't buy it! toyos hybrids sucks
Pathetic awd system, mitsubishi and subaru 10x better
Are you sure? th-cam.com/video/swXwSQoToj4/w-d-xo.html
Rav4 sucks
Śmiechu warte. Tylko kto ma się śmiać my którzy oglądamy z boku ten śmiechu warty napęd czy toyota z jeleni co dali się nabrać na 4x4 zarówno w obecnej jak i w poprzedniej generacji
RAV4 from 2013 to 2018 is worst rav4 👎🏼
Toyota needs to get this right. Both are horrible. 4th generation is shockingly bad. 5th generation is bad.