@@sammy_dog exactly! That’s the reason why I pretty much abandoned ams2.. I love vintage racing and it’s not really existent in ams2, so I stick with RF2 and AC. Both have great vintage racing leagues!
AMS should get rid of those weird South American cars that nobody cars about and build european sportscars from the 50-70s! They don’t have to be licensed, just do something like the endurance packages that where build for RF2! But those weird cars (and tracks) are just no fun to drive and are all boring..
Another Aussie here. I absolutely love the love and respect for history that goes into all your videos. Given what you were working with here, it was a great choice of cars. Another ace video. And you really made me reflect on how we say DIPPAH, laughs were had.
As an Aussie and old enough to remember the races on the classic Bathurst track this is a great reproduction. Just some observations and gap fills:- The 1st right turn at the end of Mountain Straight is Griffins Bend, named after the Town Mayor who used the National Governments work for Unemployment Benefits during the depression to pay for a Tourist Drive to be built around Mount Panorama. The main straight is known as Conrod Straight - not The Conrod Straight 🙂. Darryl Waltrip said the same thing when he came out to view the Bathurst 1000 a few years after Marcos Ambrose had been running in the Nascar's over in the USA. There is a video of Darryl's ride around Mount Panorama on TH-cam. Conrod Straight was amended to include The Chase for the 1987 Bathurst 1000km race as a aftermath of the crash that killed Michael Burgmann in the same race the preceding year, with his vehicle becoming airborne after cresting the 2nd hump on Conrod Straight and crashing into the bridge that crossed the circuit coming toward Murrays corner. For evidence of the many other crashes that have occurred on Mount Panorama, these can also be found from doing a TH-cam search
Halve-way down Conrad straight on the right the large white object on the right is a projector screen for a drive in theater, today it is no longer operating and the screen is no longer there but you can still see the asphalt on aerial images from today.
Hey Jake, Bathurst is one of my favorite circuits in GTR2 and I did a lot of races there. It's sad that the chicane is missing, because it always was a challenge after the full speed straight.. Greetings from germany.
Bathurst-83 is a great reminder of the "Great days". It's the year that Mazda almost won with their tiny 1.3lt Rotary powered RX-7 against the might of the 5.0lt Holdens & 5.8lt Fords. For the record, Mazda RX-7 placed 2nd in 1983 behind the might of the HDT Brock-Express that dominated in those days.
I love Bathurst! That was fairly intense. I was a white-knuckling backseat driver, for sure. Hmmmm.....I'm going to use this in my pitch for a steering wheel and pedals...for Xmas.
Really great racing in this video! Wondering if that mountain elbow turn would be better in 3rd gear, the AI seemed to consistently get on the gas quicker out of the turn, but at least twice you got a better exit and were making a run on the group ahead instead.
Hello I am an Australian but I’m not from NSW I’m from Queensland which are NSW’s rival state but I do love me some Bathurst and the track looks very authentic to me
Its a great rendition of the Mountain as it was, shame about having no cars that are the same as raced but I must say the cars here have a Holden Torana look to them which I guess would make sense as they are both GM. A European touring car would also make sense here in this era as some did come over to race at that time.
as a "Bathurst enthusiast" this makes me want to download ams2. idk if it's worth it considering I really don't like the madness engine I go there every year and it's just a magnificent circuit. driven it a bunch too
I discovered Aussie Supercars the year before they changed from Aussie Touring to V-8 Supercars which was the late 90's I believe. I began losing interest in NASCAR and have followed the Supercar series as much as I can. This, to me, is so much better. And they tun left and right.
Yes, i live near Mt Panorama and have been following it since 1971. Jake, yes the placement of the spectators in this mod is spot on correct. No spectators have ever been able to get to some pf the best vantage points around the circuit like going up the mountain or down Conrod Straight, ( i continue to write letters to the Council about that) . I love that there is the original Conrod Straight option. two words that probably best describe Mt Panorama is 'notoriously intimidating' . The golden era of the Bathurst endurance race is the Bathurst 500 Miles from 1963 to 1972 when the category was strictly for production cars only, as from showroom including the wheel jack. There is plenty of footage of the early races here on TH-cam. Harry Firth who has won it, as was the HDT team manager described the cars brakes as only being good for 4 hard stops. so driving style was that of virtually not using brakes, Peter Brock and other would adopt the Jim Clark style he would use in the Cortinas slide into corner to wash speed, instead of the brakes. and great job with this mod essay Jake as always, Thanks :)
@@GPLaps As I understand it, the circuit was originally conceived to run clockwise, and the pit paddock and pitlane built where it is to suit the Australian right-hand drive, but it was soon realized that going up hill through the Dipper and Esses ( which is west ward) in the late afternoon resulted too much glaring sunlight blinding the drivers eyes, so it was soon decided to switch and run in the current counter clock-wise direction, however it then meant that the drivers were counter opposed to the pitlane bays inhibiting drivers ability to hand signal to pit crews etc..... and yes the finish line is further back down straight from the start line...... In the early days of the circuit, turn 1 Hell Corner was called so, because on the exit of the corner was huge earth storm drain ditch directly beyond the track limits. hense it's name..... There was also a telegraph pole within the track boundary just a short distance from the starting grid at the end of the pitlane sheds, there was also another pole on the track down near Murray's Corner...... Before the big V8s arrived on the scene in 1967, the Mini Coopers and GT Cortinas were the cars to beat. In 1966, the Minis dominated and won outright and filled the top 9 places outright. Throughout the 60s, the Studebaker Larks was also a popular entry they came close to winning but didn't quite snatch a victory...... My favourite race is the 1972 500 (miles). no co-driver requirement regulations, a wet race, a classic tussle between Ford V8 grunt and GM-Holden small car handling. Peter Brock took his first victory in 6 hours 59 min, in the 'giant killer' Holden Torana XU-1 without a co driver. Canadian Alan Moffat also won it without a co-driver twice before in 1970 & 71 in the Ford Falcon. Ford driver and a race winner Fred Gibson (1967) would take a packed lunch of sandwiches with him in the car. In 73 the race was re-categorized from 500 Miles to 1000 Km, new rules changes were introduced which meant no more solo driving and co-drivers were now a must, and certain modifications to cars were then on permitted and developed going forward. If you are on facebook this group " Old Motor Racing Photographs Australia" is a great page where many of the participants of the day such as drivers , team crew members, officials, etc, post their old photos etc facebook.com/groups/190760908334658 :)
A fun fact about Chevrolet Opala. Those used on stock race had a 250-S 6 cyl 4.1 liters engine, same used on old chevy C-10's with some light rework, maybe arround 170hp. Today, those same engines with the same model cars are used on brazilian drag racing, reaching more than 1000hp with a stock block, running with a ethanol.
@@356Jordan And then the dictatorship ends, but the economic conditions don't improve enough to import other engines until Brazil had already figured out how to tune said engines to absurd levels.
Really captures the feel of Bathurst in that era - particularly seeing the end of the race with the sun low in the sky & the cars looking a little the worse for wear - very evocative. In '83 there would have been a separate under 3,000 cc class, and in earlier years there were even more different capacity classes running alongside each other, so dealing with traffic was a big part of the racing - something you miss when populating the grid with a single vehicle like this.
Bathurst has become a boring, 'one make' race now. Needs to revert to the old multiclass Production race. So typical of the corporate world to hijack something, then ruin it in the pursuit of profit.
@@geoffheard5768 Dude the Bathurst 6 Hour is the race you want. Production cars with multi classes, just like the old days. It's on at Easter every year. Quite a number of big name drivers get involved, it's actually pretty good. Production car endurance racing never went away at Bathurst, it just moved to Easter. And wait - did you just say Supercars is "boring"? What's your idea of excitement then? Getting holes drilled in your teeth? When you watch those old Bathurst races now they are boring as batshit - who the hell wants to watch some dude win by six laps? Absolutely nothing interesting about that.
In footage of the 1971 race a Dstdun 1600 rolls onto its roof coming onto the main straight Marshals tipped it back, and off it went. Back to the pits. Busted back and front glass, crumpled roof. Hilarious pit footage And back out it went, and finished the race
How fitting that the car behind you on lap 3 rolled at the same turn where a Camaro famously rolled onto its roof in ‘82! Just did some laps on this old Bathurst. As an Aussie, I’m very impressed with Reiza’s work here.
I LOVE your videos; in a fraction of the time it would take me just to setup a race on my PC, I can tune in to your channel and experience the magic of all thoses great sim racing games. You put a lot of work into your product and it shows. Thanks GPLaps
sad fact the Australian racing legend Peter Brock died in a crash at the Targa West rally driving a Daytona Coup which was designed by an American by the name of would you believe it Peter Brock
Everything GP drives past Forrest elbow it reminds me of Dick Johnson in the big green falcon drifting wide, clipping the edge of the outside wall and disappearing into the trees. The the camera feed cuts because the car severed the cable from the nearby camera back to the studio.
@@veganjones8985 Dick was always a complainer. Quite the character and very likeable generally, and he could drive very well too, but boy oh boy did he ever whine about everything when it wasn't going his way.
Im from Brazil, my dad owned 1973 Opala Especial. its really cool yo see that these cars get recognized even outside Brazil, He unfortunately sold the car when I was around 14 so i never got to drive it, but hopefully one day i can finds one in that exact spec to relive some of the memories it brought.
The rollover in replay view is almost reminiscent of Kevin Bartlett rolling the Channel 9 Camaro, acknowledging that he hit the opposite wall and ended up on his roof.
The way we keep moving toward electronic/no noise racing, I'd like to see/we need scans of those cars from the 70's and 80's - Moffat's Falcons, Brock's Torana and Commodores, DJ's Green Falcon, even Jim Richards BMW.
@@GPLapsV8 Commodores, Falcons, and Camaros…Straight six Bimmers…Turbo Bluebirds…Rotary RX-7’s…and even a V12 Jaaaaaag entered by John Goss. The early eighties saw a stellar mix of body types and engines, with all those cars mentioned making it into Hardies Heroes at one point or another. It’s a shame that Australian Group C was only limited to Australia and didn’t get more international attention as a regulation set, as it made for some fantastically exciting and gorgeous cars
One curiosity about the Opala is that the AMS2 fuel gauge feels right. The sensor is not dimensioned to the fuel tank used in this car, both street and race versions (an in this last one, the fuel tank was extended)... sooooo, it would have to use some gas before the needle move. Another curiosity is that because of the pedals position, you don't heel & toe, but "toe & heel", using your toe on the throttle, not on the brake. In Brazil the standard technique is called "punta-taco", and in the Opala it's called "taco-punta". Rubens Barrichello demonstrated it in a video in the channel Acelerados. The Opala can be driven most of the time in most of the tracks in third gear. Despite having a low power output it have a lot of torque. So, you can just dive bomb some corners at low rev, in third gear, and will gain time with corner stability and entry speed. This is more evident with the old 79 and the Old Stock cars, that use road tires (this 86 used slick tires). A common steering wheel technique was move it as if you are milking a cow (more than with other cars from that time). Because of tires and suspension geometry and the power curve from the engine being smooth, with a suave "milking" to the steering wheel you can compensate the tendency that the car have to loose the rear. At old Stock Car Brasil videos you can see the drivers doing it all straights long. Rubens Barrichello (at the same Acelerados video above) said that when he was a kid, after watching a real racing at Interlagos, he tried to replicate that with his kart and failed miserably. Them, his father explained why they were doing that on the Opalas and why wouldn't work with a kart. I saw a video of the 1983 1000Km racing in Bathurst and the thing is way more crowded than in AMS2 (not only spectators, but objects). Just hope that Reiza give some good work over this track, because, as it is, I will not buy. This link below is for the first lap on that race: th-cam.com/video/0tLfqJzdiy4/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=AustralianTVFan And, please, don't reskin the Opalas. For Brazilians, that would be an ultra offensive heresy at the same level than would be for an American to see someone reskinning NASCARs with DTM liveries lol Thank you for the video. You are the only virtual racing channel that I can hold to watch a full 50min long video. Cheers! EDIT: Here is the Acelerados video - th-cam.com/video/oojhh_ZaU5s/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=Acelerados He only used the ""toe & heel" after the fast lap (jump to 4:46 if only want to see that) because he is not acquainted to do that in a serious driving.
There is also a current running series called Old Stock (that is available in AMS2 and that Barrichello used in the video), that is based in the 70s rule, but with a way stronger engine
@@Dethmeister Yes, mate... just to the record, when I was posting that, the 13yo in me gave me a hint about how it could sound to non Portuguese speakers. And to tell you the truth, the world "punta" is not from our language (it's the Italian for "tip") and "taco" means "stick". It's a very old term that I really don't know how it was composed. "Heel & Toe" translate as "Calcanhar & Dedão"... what would sound worst and I believe that this is the reason why to invent "punta-taco" lol
Love the channel and particularly the historical racing. Also interesting to note that bikes also raced at Bathurst, the Easter weekend being the usual time they were held. I believe that the last races were held in 1994.
Back when I was sim racing, there was a rFactor mod for 1980s Group A touring cars. VK VL commodores, Rovers, BMW M3s, Mustangs etc. Would have been awesome to have this track back then.
They got the track nearly right, but the cars terribly wrong. You would of been driving a right hand v8 Falcon or Commodore for the outright class. There were smaller classes but no one really cared about them 😂
It's a shame they didn't have the budgets back then as they have today. The racing cars themselves would of been more reliable and more outright contending cars on the grid
It looks awesome, big thumbs up to Reiza for making this because I've been hanging out for something like it for years. But I can immediately tell (believe it or not...) it's all a bit too flat. If you're listening Reiza, it's a Mountain: it's not quite a BMX track, but in a really fast car it's not far of. The hills and dips need to be made more extreme by about 10-15 percent, the Dipper especially was a real windscreen-popper back then (it was flattened out a bit the year they put in the Chase). But this is still a great effort that's making me want to get AMS2: I really hope this means there's a Bathurst carset in the works, the chance to drive an angry VH Commodore, an out-of-control XE Falcon, a turbo-boosted Bluebird or a screaming Mazda RX-7 (to say nothing of an inverted Chevy Camaro...). Even the chance to drive a class car like a Mk.III Escort (or as you said, the Isuzu Gemini) would be magic. The lighting effects though are spot-on, and the square-fronted cars with ducktail spoilers are perfectly on-brand for the era. 7:00 You didn't really see many spectators trackside on the way up Mountain Straight. The reason was that the right-hand side (outside the track) is someone's front yard, so it's off-limits to fans; you actually have to get a shuttle bus to the top of the Mountain as there's no other connection. The place should be buried in people at the top and the bottom, though. 18:59 I don't think Brocky ever raced Stateside, but he did race in Europe, including he Spa 24 Hrs for Vauxhall. Allan Moffat on the other hand did a lot of racing in the U.S. (being Canadian by birth...), including winning Sebring with BMW. 34:30 On the real track, an underpowered car could gain some time by running a wide line through Griffin's, because there's a pronounced dip at the apex that forces you to drive down into it and then drive up a steep slope out again. By running the high line you could avoid that whole mess and keep your revs up. No idea if that would work on this version, but it might be worth a try! 😁
This was great. I love hearing an American's take on our most famous track. One small point though ..... The corner you called The Quarry is actually Griffin's Bend. The Quarry is the 2 corners coming out of The Cutting. You have a new subscriber. 😎👍
You don't hear the Quarry and Frog Hollow used much anymore to describe those parts of the track, perhaps we should petition Crompo to bring them back into regular parlance. I think Reid Park and "The Grate" are probably more familiar.
The car that you have chosen remind me of the UC Torana’s of the late 70’s or XD Falcon’s of the 80’s, have a look at the Kevin Bartlett crash 1982 in his Camaro very similar to what happened in your stream.
Sunday evening and just catching up on some TH-cam after a great weekend of IRL racing, this video is amazing Jake, you inspire me to sim whilst at the same time feeling like ive just been in the sim rig by watching the video, Lovely jubbly and also bonus points for admitting it wasn't a single take and some earlier attempts resulted in the virtual death and destruction the rest of us face each week in the hobby haha. Onward to the pre-war video I see you also have, lovely jubbly!
Hell Corner was named after a tree stump that existed on the apex of the turn. It was believed that any motorcycle riders who hit the stump would die in an act of folly and thereby be doomed to an eternity of death.
In the very early days there was also a huge storm drain ditch on the outside of the corner exit that service the mountain straight incline, just next the edge of the track as they were in any street, i have a photo of it. at some point later, a wooden barrier fence was erected, that stayed for many years until the sandpit was installed. :)
These cars don't really suit for the 80s, but they certainly look very similar to some GM Holden Monaros that would have raced there in the late 60s / early 70s (although the Monaro had considerably more power). The 60s and 70s were mostly production cars. The 80s saw the onset of Group C race cars from which the V8 Supercars evolved. You mentioned the bare straights for spectators, and you are right in that on Mountain Straight (after Hell Corner) and all the way down Conrod Straight were all farms / residences at that time. Only place where that is different today is The Chase which has a spectator area and a gigantic motel. Spectators are mostly located across the top of the mountain and at the start / finish straight. I've been to the 1000 event (and the preceding 500 mile event) probably close to 30 times since the early 70s. Never gets old!
Great video. There is a new update where the James Hardie Center is now added....it is so well done. The modelers have done a stellar job. I have done the 1985 version of the track, actually started back in rFactor 1 days and gave up lol. I then got back to it a few years ago and now it is about 80% done. rFactor 2 and on steam. I would love to hear your views on my version. The down side with this version from Reiza is that the colours of the trees and the mix of native and introduced trees are not done so well. That is something I am trying to replicate with my version as I lived near the track itself up to 1990.
12:50 It's the 'dippuh', not dippurr mate! The accent is easy, just remember to never pronounce the r at the end of your words. eg: drivuh, barriuh, playuh, dinnuh, flowuh, motuh, startuh ;)
@@GPLaps Yeah the Boston accent does have the most similarities of all American accents to Aussie. I first noticed that in Good Will Hunting. Also never roll the r's, eg. cart is pronounced cahht.
@@Ash_18037 That's because Boston was influenced by the "new" British non-rhotic accent that started in the late 1700's after the American Revolution. Before then, the British pronounced r's like most Americans do. The current British accent was created by the high class to sound less like commoners and more like the German born king that ruled England at the time. It caught on and spread like a fad among all classes (with variances). Boston is a port city that caught the accent from the British crews of trade ships.
And no speed limit. And no fireproof suits. And unsealed churns of petrol just sitting around everywhere. And like, 2 fire marshals for the whole pit lane. Makes you shudder just thinking about it.
Aussie here. These are the correct cars for Mt Panorama. They may not be much like the cars that raced there in the mid 80s, but they're bang on for the 70's cars. They're like a slightly smaller Charger.
They've done well getting 'old' Bathurst right - lots of details like the wider exit to Hell corner and the pit speed bumps. Old Conrod was fairly notorious for cars going light at that second bump, the fastest section, and drivers complained that got worse when they installed the black bridge in 1982. Mike Burgmann, who died in the 1986 race, fell foul of this when his car touched another alongside, got out of shape on the grass and basically vaulted the fence and hit the footings of the bridge. The Chase was designed soon after and debuted for 1987, when most of the modern walls were also installed, more modern pits, etc in time for the World Touring Car Championship round.
AMS2 needs the TWR Jaguar XJS. Saw them on BBC Grandstand when they covered the Bathurst event. Many of the then BTCC drivers would go over and race there.
Was fun to see the classic Bathurst, looks like it was a fun race. I did want to correct one error, the right hander at the end of Mountain Straight is Griffin's Bend. Quarry is a few corners later (turn 6 near the top of the mountain). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Panorama_Circuit#/media/File:Mount_Panorama_Circuit_Map_Overview.PNG
As an Aussie who worked for a time near Bathurst I think the devs did a good job with the colouring of the countryside, grass and trees. It can get green depending on the season but in the hotter weather it dries out and gets quite brown/yellow. Although a different part of Australia, I think Woochoo's Longford and the Gnoo Blas track also capture that sunburnt colouring really well.
watching the bathurst 1000 from this era is awesome. Need a mod for the tow trucks picking up cars. Full races from 78 are available (almost, some bits have been removed and muted for copyright etc) on youtube. Start of 1981, the opening 20 laps or so with Johnson in the XD Falcon, Bartlet in the Camaro and Brock in the VC Commodore battling it out, awesome stuff. Ill happily take up my weekends rewatching these races. The touring car races (ATCC) from the early 80s are great to watch too.
Love the vids. As an FYI, the apostrophe after a number indicates length in feet. 73' means 73 feet. The year 1973 abbreviated would have the apostrophe _before_ the numbers, like this: the year was '73. The apostrophe goes where you "broke" it off. Same as in a contraction like "can't". Sure some people will bitch and moan I mentioned that. Lots of people whine. The hell with them. Keep the sim vids coming!
Looks spectacular, and quite realistic too. Spectators are really only around the pit straight or across the top of the mountain, yes those are private properties along the other straights. It's just a shame every time I see AMS2 it greatly pisses me. I have a G29 wheel and I get no force feedback whatsoever in this game making it unplayable (other games are fine). It also obnoxiously disables force feedback for all other games until I reboot windows.
That's an issue I have never heard of. The devs of AMS2 are pretty open to feedback, maybe report over at the Reiza forums? Especially CrimsonEminence over there is well known to respond to user questions.
Jake pronounces it BATH-hurst, as in, taking a BATH, and HURST shifter. There's only one H. Most from the area will say BA-thirst (not BAH, the A is said like "apple" or "back".) Say "Bat" but drop the T for the first syllable. Then simply say the word "thirst". BA-thirst. Note: Some Aussies say the U sounds like an I, and drop the R. But that is just for the sake of the Aussie accent. When I was there, I was ridiculed for describing it like that. I will admit, I used to pronounce it BAT-hurst, putting the H in the 2nd syllable. I was told that was acceptable, but still wrong. I'll say this though. If the UK and US (my 2 citizenships) don't get their crap together soon, and start taking care of their own people, I'm moving to Bathurst. HEHE
HA ha! My dad had an Opala back in 81-82 I want to say? It was considered a fast car in Brazil :) I whole 230Hp from a super lazy V8! All I remember is that it felt huge, it really wasn't, kinda the same size of a Chevelle? Maybe a bit bigger? I remember sliding all over the bench style back seats when we took a corner, I thought it was fun. Oh the 80's! Child car seats? What is that!? LOL
I certainly hope they make some Australian touring cars from the late 70s early 80s.. I've driven almost all the cars available on this track but nothing really feels suited to is. These cars are probably the best of the bunch.
Great commentary and race. As a NZer, we also used to make the Bathurst 1000 an unofficial holiday (even though its run on a Sunday). Many of the great champions were NZers, providing some of the more memorable highlights, such as Jim Richards calling the crowd 'a pack of arseholes' in 1992 from the podium, and of course the passing of the legendary Denny Hulme on Conrod straight due to a heart attack in the same race. The Group A rules in the late 80s changed the face of the race with some awesome entries and wins for the Jaguar XJS, Ford Sierra Cosworth and Nissan Skylines. Lots of good memories. Oh, and the 1 time I drove around the circuit, the speed limit is 60km/h (40mph) when the races arent on...and the cops love to sit there with a radar gun
I bought AMS2 a while back. Had a tough time getting a feel. Played nothing but nr2003. Got my wheel settings dialed in and have focused on running Bathurst & Group C Prototypes. I've ran close to 1000 miles with this combination and I have had the most fun ever on a sim. Thank you for introducing me to this game
It would be nice if there was an early 80s V8 sedan to race around this track in the game, but there are some other cars already in the game that fit. There's the Chevy Chevette which was very similar to the Holden/Isuzu Geminis which raced in several 1000s in the 70s/early 80s and were popular for low level one make racing in Australia for a very long time. I think there was even a support category for the 12 Hour which had them as a class about 10 years ago. There's also a classic Mini which is a bit old for 1983 but they were run in the 1000 up to the mid 70s and won outright in 1966.
I visited on a non-race day, and drove my rental Toyota around the track at 45kph. It was still terrifying! None of the sims do a great job of showing the huge elevation changes. There's an amazing museum to the right of Murray's corner as well. Definitely stop in there if you make it over!
It would be good if they have the car dlc where you have Group A, Group C, And group E all racing. There was a maximum was 55 cars in the 80's with all these groups, and the best thing was that the group classes were the same specs as in Europe. So you don't need to go ultra nostalgia and have the Australian skins.
The corner you call “quarry” is actually called “Griffins Bend” named after Martin Griffin the mayor of Bathurst who had a big part in the planning process of the track
This Brazilian right here is proud to see you racing the old school Brazilian Stock Cars.
É isso!
That's it!
Se viu o opalão mano
I'm so excited for the Südschleife being added to 1971 Nürbergring. Such an exciting time to be a vintage motorsports fan
except for the lack of vintage cars to drive
I know, 2025 is gonna be a good year for AMS2.
@@sammy_dog exactly!
That’s the reason why I pretty much abandoned ams2..
I love vintage racing and it’s not really existent in ams2, so I stick with RF2 and AC.
Both have great vintage racing leagues!
AMS should get rid of those weird South American cars that nobody cars about and build european sportscars from the 50-70s!
They don’t have to be licensed, just do something like the endurance packages that where build for RF2!
But those weird cars (and tracks) are just no fun to drive and are all boring..
I wish it was on og AC :( I looooooooooove the Südschleife, so underated
Racing in Australia and doesn't drop a C bomb once. Smh.
As an Aussie, I agree Mr Racing Story Man haha.
Just started watching so maybe he says cheeky bugger? That’s what my money is on
C*ck - James May
Another Aussie here. I absolutely love the love and respect for history that goes into all your videos. Given what you were working with here, it was a great choice of cars. Another ace video. And you really made me reflect on how we say DIPPAH, laughs were had.
If you're insterested there's a channel on here called 'Mount Panorama' that has full races from 79-85
Another one: super100mph
As an Aussie and old enough to remember the races on the classic Bathurst track this is a great reproduction. Just some observations and gap fills:-
The 1st right turn at the end of Mountain Straight is Griffins Bend, named after the Town Mayor who used the National Governments work for Unemployment Benefits during the depression to pay for a Tourist Drive to be built around Mount Panorama.
The main straight is known as Conrod Straight - not The Conrod Straight 🙂. Darryl Waltrip said the same thing when he came out to view the Bathurst 1000 a few years after Marcos Ambrose had been running in the Nascar's over in the USA. There is a video of Darryl's ride around Mount Panorama on TH-cam.
Conrod Straight was amended to include The Chase for the 1987 Bathurst 1000km race as a aftermath of the crash that killed Michael Burgmann in the same race the preceding year, with his vehicle becoming airborne after cresting the 2nd hump on Conrod Straight and crashing into the bridge that crossed the circuit coming toward Murrays corner.
For evidence of the many other crashes that have occurred on Mount Panorama, these can also be found from doing a TH-cam search
Halve-way down Conrad straight on the right the large white object on the right is a projector screen for a drive in theater, today it is no longer operating and the screen is no longer there but you can still see the asphalt on aerial images from today.
I was wondering what that was! I was thinking it was a billboard just with no advertisement on it. Neat to see it modeled
Terrific race - great to see a different Bathurst. Nice work!
One corner I didn't hear you mention was McPhillamy (Very fast left hander before Skyline), one of my favorite corner names, so satisfying to say 🤣
the second corner that you thought might be quarry is called Griffin bend
Hey Jake, Bathurst is one of my favorite circuits in GTR2 and I did a lot of races there. It's sad that the chicane is missing, because it always was a challenge after the full speed straight.. Greetings from germany.
Luckily the Chase is there in the Modern version of the track. :) so it is still there just not in the Classic track
The chicane is just wrong.
@@hanajinks1044 love the old footage of Brock cruising down conrod at 170 mph, elbow on door edge, casually chatting to commentary team
Bathurst-83 is a great reminder of the "Great days".
It's the year that Mazda almost won with their tiny 1.3lt Rotary powered RX-7 against the might of the 5.0lt Holdens & 5.8lt Fords. For the record, Mazda RX-7 placed 2nd in 1983 behind the might of the HDT Brock-Express that dominated in those days.
I love Bathurst! That was fairly intense. I was a white-knuckling backseat driver, for sure. Hmmmm.....I'm going to use this in my pitch for a steering wheel and pedals...for Xmas.
Can you imagine racing motorcycles around this circuit which they used to do. Balls to the wall 🤘👹🤘
Perfection sir. My favourite cars around my favourite track ❤
Really great racing in this video! Wondering if that mountain elbow turn would be better in 3rd gear, the AI seemed to consistently get on the gas quicker out of the turn, but at least twice you got a better exit and were making a run on the group ahead instead.
Hello I am an Australian but I’m not from NSW I’m from Queensland which are NSW’s rival state but I do love me some Bathurst and the track looks very authentic to me
1983 Hardies Heroes - Holden VH Commodore group a , Ford Falcon XE, Nissan Bluebird Turbo, BMW 635
I like watching your videos GP Laps it inspired me to race any racing game
Its a great rendition of the Mountain as it was, shame about having no cars that are the same as raced but I must say the cars here have a Holden Torana look to them which I guess would make sense as they are both GM. A European touring car would also make sense here in this era as some did come over to race at that time.
that was exciting to watch tbh. I was gripping my armrest on the last few laps :)
F-Retro Gen1 is also an incredible fit for this track!
Already looking forward to the Nord+Sud schleife...
Repco is a real brand that is still in existence. They sell after market/ third party OEM auto parts and tools.
Since I don't have AMS2, do they have Group A cars? It seems like this variant of the track was still in use when these cars arrived in the mid '80s.
Only thing I’d ad is AUSTRALIAN CARS!
as a "Bathurst enthusiast" this makes me want to download ams2. idk if it's worth it considering I really don't like the madness engine
I go there every year and it's just a magnificent circuit. driven it a bunch too
I discovered Aussie Supercars the year before they changed from Aussie Touring to V-8 Supercars which was the late 90's I believe. I began losing interest in NASCAR and have followed the Supercar series as much as I can. This, to me, is so much better. And they tun left and right.
yes... new old track...
Can you add the heads up display so we can see the speed on your videos?
@@KericoTube Speak for yourself. I want to see how fast he's going. It's a sim, not real life.
Hey boss, I can't help that I notice details that you can't. You have no idea what you're talking about 🤡
Not a big fan of Huds personally, but either way this car only has two gearing options and the other is way too short for this circuit!
@@GPLaps I didn't even mention anything about the gearing. No idea where Ken got that from. He's a clown.
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Yes, i live near Mt Panorama and have been following it since 1971. Jake, yes the placement of the spectators in this mod is spot on correct. No spectators have ever been able to get to some pf the best vantage points around the circuit like going up the mountain or down Conrod Straight, ( i continue to write letters to the Council about that) . I love that there is the original Conrod Straight option. two words that probably best describe Mt Panorama is 'notoriously intimidating' . The golden era of the Bathurst endurance race is the Bathurst 500 Miles from 1963 to 1972 when the category was strictly for production cars only, as from showroom including the wheel jack. There is plenty of footage of the early races here on TH-cam. Harry Firth who has won it, as was the HDT team manager described the cars brakes as only being good for 4 hard stops. so driving style was that of virtually not using brakes, Peter Brock and other would adopt the Jim Clark style he would use in the Cortinas slide into corner to wash speed, instead of the brakes. and great job with this mod essay Jake as always, Thanks :)
Its too bad! It would be exhilerating to watch by the edge of the circuit on the straights!
@@GPLaps most of mountain straight and the in field is private property so no spectators sadly
@@GPLaps As I understand it, the circuit was originally conceived to run clockwise, and the pit paddock and pitlane built where it is to suit the Australian right-hand drive, but it was soon realized that going up hill through the Dipper and Esses ( which is west ward) in the late afternoon resulted too much glaring sunlight blinding the drivers eyes, so it was soon decided to switch and run in the current counter clock-wise direction, however it then meant that the drivers were counter opposed to the pitlane bays inhibiting drivers ability to hand signal to pit crews etc..... and yes the finish line is further back down straight from the start line...... In the early days of the circuit, turn 1 Hell Corner was called so, because on the exit of the corner was huge earth storm drain ditch directly beyond the track limits. hense it's name..... There was also a telegraph pole within the track boundary just a short distance from the starting grid at the end of the pitlane sheds, there was also another pole on the track down near Murray's Corner...... Before the big V8s arrived on the scene in 1967, the Mini Coopers and GT Cortinas were the cars to beat. In 1966, the Minis dominated and won outright and filled the top 9 places outright. Throughout the 60s, the Studebaker Larks was also a popular entry they came close to winning but didn't quite snatch a victory...... My favourite race is the 1972 500 (miles). no co-driver requirement regulations, a wet race, a classic tussle between Ford V8 grunt and GM-Holden small car handling. Peter Brock took his first victory in 6 hours 59 min, in the 'giant killer' Holden Torana XU-1 without a co driver. Canadian Alan Moffat also won it without a co-driver twice before in 1970 & 71 in the Ford Falcon. Ford driver and a race winner Fred Gibson (1967) would take a packed lunch of sandwiches with him in the car. In 73 the race was re-categorized from 500 Miles to 1000 Km, new rules changes were introduced which meant no more solo driving and co-drivers were now a must, and certain modifications to cars were then on permitted and developed going forward. If you are on facebook this group " Old Motor Racing Photographs Australia" is a great page where many of the participants of the day such as drivers , team crew members, officials, etc, post their old photos etc facebook.com/groups/190760908334658 :)
I love the BMW M3 there, lot of fun
A fun fact about Chevrolet Opala. Those used on stock race had a 250-S 6 cyl 4.1 liters engine, same used on old chevy C-10's with some light rework, maybe arround 170hp. Today, those same engines with the same model cars are used on brazilian drag racing, reaching more than 1000hp with a stock block, running with a ethanol.
th-cam.com/video/CTn-Sq0CmGI/w-d-xo.html
Jeez, Brazilians sure know how to squeeze power out of engines.
@@Eibarwoman that’s what you get when you get a military dictatorship that doesn’t allow imports
@@356Jordan And then the dictatorship ends, but the economic conditions don't improve enough to import other engines until Brazil had already figured out how to tune said engines to absurd levels.
Cool! Are those 1000hp reached using turbo or supercharger?
Really captures the feel of Bathurst in that era - particularly seeing the end of the race with the sun low in the sky & the cars looking a little the worse for wear - very evocative. In '83 there would have been a separate under 3,000 cc class, and in earlier years there were even more different capacity classes running alongside each other, so dealing with traffic was a big part of the racing - something you miss when populating the grid with a single vehicle like this.
I wish we could run 60+ cars to have a really full grid! I could add multiple classes but it would really thin out the field with only 32 AI
Bathurst has become a boring, 'one make' race now. Needs to revert to the old multiclass Production race. So typical of the corporate world to hijack something, then ruin it in the pursuit of profit.
@@geoffheard5768 Dude the Bathurst 6 Hour is the race you want. Production cars with multi classes, just like the old days. It's on at Easter every year. Quite a number of big name drivers get involved, it's actually pretty good. Production car endurance racing never went away at Bathurst, it just moved to Easter.
And wait - did you just say Supercars is "boring"? What's your idea of excitement then? Getting holes drilled in your teeth? When you watch those old Bathurst races now they are boring as batshit - who the hell wants to watch some dude win by six laps? Absolutely nothing interesting about that.
Just needs the occasional roo hopping across Conrod Straight.
You'll know Reiza have really grasped Aussie racing when damaged cars come out of the pits absolutely covered in grey or black speed tape.
In footage of the 1971 race a Dstdun 1600 rolls onto its roof coming onto the main straight
Marshals tipped it back, and off it went. Back to the pits. Busted back and front glass, crumpled roof. Hilarious pit footage
And back out it went, and finished the race
How fitting that the car behind you on lap 3 rolled at the same turn where a Camaro famously rolled onto its roof in ‘82!
Just did some laps on this old Bathurst. As an Aussie, I’m very impressed with Reiza’s work here.
That Camaro was the car that made a 4yr old me a motorsport fan - The Channel " 6 " Camaro lol
Driven by Kevin Bartlett :)
I LOVE your videos; in a fraction of the time it would take me just to setup a race on my PC, I can tune in to your channel and experience the magic of all thoses great sim racing games.
You put a lot of work into your product and it shows.
Thanks GPLaps
I know right? Why have sex with another person when in a fraction of time I can load up some porn?
9:55 Nice of Bathurst to produce another Kevin Bartlett moment.
Wait a minute! This isn't a FailRace video...
A nice piece of alternate motorsports history. The Brazilians descend on Bathurst to hold their, as I would call it "Corrida do Sul"
sad fact the Australian racing legend Peter Brock died in a crash at the Targa West rally driving a Daytona Coup which was designed by an American by the name of would you believe it Peter Brock
Yeah, I thought it was the same person up until he died and I read up on it.
Everything GP drives past Forrest elbow it reminds me of Dick Johnson in the big green falcon drifting wide, clipping the edge of the outside wall and disappearing into the trees. The the camera feed cuts because the car severed the cable from the nearby camera back to the studio.
I can still hear him complaining about the car he loaned for the race now lol
@@veganjones8985 Dick was always a complainer. Quite the character and very likeable generally, and he could drive very well too, but boy oh boy did he ever whine about everything when it wasn't going his way.
Im from Brazil, my dad owned 1973 Opala Especial. its really cool yo see that these cars get recognized even outside Brazil, He unfortunately sold the car when I was around 14 so i never got to drive it, but hopefully one day i can finds one in that exact spec to relive some of the memories it brought.
Era isso que eu fiquei pensando quando vi as marcas RODÃO, NAKATA, LOJAS CHIC, todas famosas na década de 80, começo de 90 rsssss
@@lexscs Vi o carro e ja reconheci na hora kkkkk esse canal eh mt bom
quem diria, GP laps andando de opalão kkkkkkkk
@@delpangamer4387 O cara amo carro mesmo kkkkk, conhece todos
The rollover in replay view is almost reminiscent of Kevin Bartlett rolling the Channel 9 Camaro, acknowledging that he hit the opposite wall and ended up on his roof.
You mean the " Channel 6 " Camaro 😄
Scrolled down looking for this as soon as he said it.
We definitely need some Group A cars into AMS2
The best thing about watching your simracing is that you treat the opponents respectfully, like you'd have to see them in the paddock after each race.
All we need now is a commodore, a massive green falcon, an rx7 and a Camaro. Hell throw in a 635csi for gricey and we’re at the races.
The way we keep moving toward electronic/no noise racing, I'd like to see/we need scans of those cars from the 70's and 80's - Moffat's Falcons, Brock's Torana and Commodores, DJ's Green Falcon, even Jim Richards BMW.
Looks fantastic, now we just need an ATCC DLC pack!
I knowwww, i wanna chuck around a Commodore!!
@@GPLaps A Torana or Falcon would be more fun ;)
@@GPLapsV8 Commodores, Falcons, and Camaros…Straight six Bimmers…Turbo Bluebirds…Rotary RX-7’s…and even a V12 Jaaaaaag entered by John Goss.
The early eighties saw a stellar mix of body types and engines, with all those cars mentioned making it into Hardies Heroes at one point or another.
It’s a shame that Australian Group C was only limited to Australia and didn’t get more international attention as a regulation set, as it made for some fantastically exciting and gorgeous cars
@@Skreezilla Aahh A man of culture I see....
@@rogerc1596 we both know that is not true :p
One curiosity about the Opala is that the AMS2 fuel gauge feels right. The sensor is not dimensioned to the fuel tank used in this car, both street and race versions (an in this last one, the fuel tank was extended)... sooooo, it would have to use some gas before the needle move.
Another curiosity is that because of the pedals position, you don't heel & toe, but "toe & heel", using your toe on the throttle, not on the brake. In Brazil the standard technique is called "punta-taco", and in the Opala it's called "taco-punta". Rubens Barrichello demonstrated it in a video in the channel Acelerados.
The Opala can be driven most of the time in most of the tracks in third gear. Despite having a low power output it have a lot of torque. So, you can just dive bomb some corners at low rev, in third gear, and will gain time with corner stability and entry speed. This is more evident with the old 79 and the Old Stock cars, that use road tires (this 86 used slick tires).
A common steering wheel technique was move it as if you are milking a cow (more than with other cars from that time). Because of tires and suspension geometry and the power curve from the engine being smooth, with a suave "milking" to the steering wheel you can compensate the tendency that the car have to loose the rear. At old Stock Car Brasil videos you can see the drivers doing it all straights long. Rubens Barrichello (at the same Acelerados video above) said that when he was a kid, after watching a real racing at Interlagos, he tried to replicate that with his kart and failed miserably. Them, his father explained why they were doing that on the Opalas and why wouldn't work with a kart.
I saw a video of the 1983 1000Km racing in Bathurst and the thing is way more crowded than in AMS2 (not only spectators, but objects). Just hope that Reiza give some good work over this track, because, as it is, I will not buy. This link below is for the first lap on that race:
th-cam.com/video/0tLfqJzdiy4/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=AustralianTVFan
And, please, don't reskin the Opalas. For Brazilians, that would be an ultra offensive heresy at the same level than would be for an American to see someone reskinning NASCARs with DTM liveries lol
Thank you for the video. You are the only virtual racing channel that I can hold to watch a full 50min long video. Cheers!
EDIT: Here is the Acelerados video - th-cam.com/video/oojhh_ZaU5s/w-d-xo.html&ab_channel=Acelerados
He only used the ""toe & heel" after the fast lap (jump to 4:46 if only want to see that) because he is not acquainted to do that in a serious driving.
There is also a current running series called Old Stock (that is available in AMS2 and that Barrichello used in the video), that is based in the 70s rule, but with a way stronger engine
"In Brazil the standard technique is called 'punta-taco'". Sure, sure it is.. hehe, just kidding. That sounds funny.
@@Dethmeister Yes, mate... just to the record, when I was posting that, the 13yo in me gave me a hint about how it could sound to non Portuguese speakers. And to tell you the truth, the world "punta" is not from our language (it's the Italian for "tip") and "taco" means "stick". It's a very old term that I really don't know how it was composed. "Heel & Toe" translate as "Calcanhar & Dedão"... what would sound worst and I believe that this is the reason why to invent "punta-taco" lol
Love the channel and particularly the historical racing. Also interesting to note that bikes also raced at Bathurst, the Easter weekend being the usual time they were held. I believe that the last races were held in 1994.
Back when I was sim racing, there was a rFactor mod for 1980s Group A touring cars. VK VL commodores, Rovers, BMW M3s, Mustangs etc. Would have been awesome to have this track back then.
They got the track nearly right, but the cars terribly wrong. You would of been driving a right hand v8 Falcon or Commodore for the outright class. There were smaller classes but no one really cared about them 😂
How good would it be if they added VH, XE, 635 CSi, RX7, Capri, GTV6, and a Bluebird Turbo. :D
Yeah and don't forget the VC! But whatever you drive on this circuit it has to be a right hand drive at least!
It's a shame they didn't have the budgets back then as they have today. The racing cars themselves would of been more reliable and more outright contending cars on the grid
It looks awesome, big thumbs up to Reiza for making this because I've been hanging out for something like it for years. But I can immediately tell (believe it or not...) it's all a bit too flat. If you're listening Reiza, it's a Mountain: it's not quite a BMX track, but in a really fast car it's not far of. The hills and dips need to be made more extreme by about 10-15 percent, the Dipper especially was a real windscreen-popper back then (it was flattened out a bit the year they put in the Chase). But this is still a great effort that's making me want to get AMS2: I really hope this means there's a Bathurst carset in the works, the chance to drive an angry VH Commodore, an out-of-control XE Falcon, a turbo-boosted Bluebird or a screaming Mazda RX-7 (to say nothing of an inverted Chevy Camaro...). Even the chance to drive a class car like a Mk.III Escort (or as you said, the Isuzu Gemini) would be magic. The lighting effects though are spot-on, and the square-fronted cars with ducktail spoilers are perfectly on-brand for the era.
7:00 You didn't really see many spectators trackside on the way up Mountain Straight. The reason was that the right-hand side (outside the track) is someone's front yard, so it's off-limits to fans; you actually have to get a shuttle bus to the top of the Mountain as there's no other connection. The place should be buried in people at the top and the bottom, though.
18:59 I don't think Brocky ever raced Stateside, but he did race in Europe, including he Spa 24 Hrs for Vauxhall. Allan Moffat on the other hand did a lot of racing in the U.S. (being Canadian by birth...), including winning Sebring with BMW.
34:30 On the real track, an underpowered car could gain some time by running a wide line through Griffin's, because there's a pronounced dip at the apex that forces you to drive down into it and then drive up a steep slope out again. By running the high line you could avoid that whole mess and keep your revs up. No idea if that would work on this version, but it might be worth a try! 😁
This was great. I love hearing an American's take on our most famous track.
One small point though ..... The corner you called The Quarry is actually Griffin's Bend. The Quarry is the 2 corners coming out of The Cutting.
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You don't hear the Quarry and Frog Hollow used much anymore to describe those parts of the track, perhaps we should petition Crompo to bring them back into regular parlance. I think Reid Park and "The Grate" are probably more familiar.
The car that you have chosen remind me of the UC Torana’s of the late 70’s or XD Falcon’s of the 80’s, have a look at the Kevin Bartlett crash 1982 in his Camaro very similar to what happened in your stream.
Sunday evening and just catching up on some TH-cam after a great weekend of IRL racing, this video is amazing Jake, you inspire me to sim whilst at the same time feeling like ive just been in the sim rig by watching the video, Lovely jubbly and also bonus points for admitting it wasn't a single take and some earlier attempts resulted in the virtual death and destruction the rest of us face each week in the hobby haha. Onward to the pre-war video I see you also have, lovely jubbly!
Hell Corner was named after a tree stump that existed on the apex of the turn. It was believed that any motorcycle riders who hit the stump would die in an act of folly and thereby be doomed to an eternity of death.
In the very early days there was also a huge storm drain ditch on the outside of the corner exit that service the mountain straight incline, just next the edge of the track as they were in any street, i have a photo of it. at some point later, a wooden barrier fence was erected, that stayed for many years until the sandpit was installed. :)
These cars don't really suit for the 80s, but they certainly look very similar to some GM Holden Monaros that would have raced there in the late 60s / early 70s (although the Monaro had considerably more power). The 60s and 70s were mostly production cars. The 80s saw the onset of Group C race cars from which the V8 Supercars evolved.
You mentioned the bare straights for spectators, and you are right in that on Mountain Straight (after Hell Corner) and all the way down Conrod Straight were all farms / residences at that time. Only place where that is different today is The Chase which has a spectator area and a gigantic motel. Spectators are mostly located across the top of the mountain and at the start / finish straight.
I've been to the 1000 event (and the preceding 500 mile event) probably close to 30 times since the early 70s. Never gets old!
Great video. There is a new update where the James Hardie Center is now added....it is so well done. The modelers have done a stellar job.
I have done the 1985 version of the track, actually started back in rFactor 1 days and gave up lol. I then got back to it a few years ago and now it is about 80% done. rFactor 2 and on steam. I would love to hear your views on my version.
The down side with this version from Reiza is that the colours of the trees and the mix of native and introduced trees are not done so well. That is something I am trying to replicate with my version as I lived near the track itself up to 1990.
12:50 It's the 'dippuh', not dippurr mate! The accent is easy, just remember to never pronounce the r at the end of your words. eg: drivuh, barriuh, playuh, dinnuh, flowuh, motuh, startuh ;)
Maybe ill go full Boston "Pahk my Cah on the Dippah'"
@@GPLaps Yeah the Boston accent does have the most similarities of all American accents to Aussie. I first noticed that in Good Will Hunting. Also never roll the r's, eg. cart is pronounced cahht.
@@Ash_18037 That's because Boston was influenced by the "new" British non-rhotic accent that started in the late 1700's after the American Revolution. Before then, the British pronounced r's like most Americans do. The current British accent was created by the high class to sound less like commoners and more like the German born king that ruled England at the time. It caught on and spread like a fad among all classes (with variances). Boston is a port city that caught the accent from the British crews of trade ships.
In the late 70's there was no pit wall separating the pits from straight. Real scary stuff
And no speed limit. And no fireproof suits. And unsealed churns of petrol just sitting around everywhere. And like, 2 fire marshals for the whole pit lane. Makes you shudder just thinking about it.
Aussie here. These are the correct cars for Mt Panorama. They may not be much like the cars that raced there in the mid 80s, but they're bang on for the 70's cars. They're like a slightly smaller Charger.
its he perfect car for that race there , as the Apollo is a match up to the australian Holden . Nice track and race !
They've done well getting 'old' Bathurst right - lots of details like the wider exit to Hell corner and the pit speed bumps.
Old Conrod was fairly notorious for cars going light at that second bump, the fastest section, and drivers complained that got worse when they installed the black bridge in 1982.
Mike Burgmann, who died in the 1986 race, fell foul of this when his car touched another alongside, got out of shape on the grass and basically vaulted the fence and hit the footings of the bridge. The Chase was designed soon after and debuted for 1987, when most of the modern walls were also installed, more modern pits, etc in time for the World Touring Car Championship round.
AMS2 needs the TWR Jaguar XJS. Saw them on BBC Grandstand when they covered the Bathurst event. Many of the then BTCC drivers would go over and race there.
Was fun to see the classic Bathurst, looks like it was a fun race. I did want to correct one error, the right hander at the end of Mountain Straight is Griffin's Bend. Quarry is a few corners later (turn 6 near the top of the mountain). en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Panorama_Circuit#/media/File:Mount_Panorama_Circuit_Map_Overview.PNG
ah interesting, maybe the classic map below there has them labeled wrongly then
i love mount panorama, thank you
Oh man, just knocked off work, and a GP Laps vid about Bathurst, perfect.
Slightly Mad's Madness Engine continues to visually shine even as Project Cars 2 approaches 6 years of age.
That Opala looks like a '79 Ford Cortina mated with a Ford Capri
My dad had two Opala's, so good to see it. There is a Brazilian in US with a prepared Opala: th-cam.com/video/_jz6UDMAKg0/w-d-xo.html
As an Aussie who worked for a time near Bathurst I think the devs did a good job with the colouring of the countryside, grass and trees. It can get green depending on the season but in the hotter weather it dries out and gets quite brown/yellow.
Although a different part of Australia, I think Woochoo's Longford and the Gnoo Blas track also capture that sunburnt colouring really well.
watching the bathurst 1000 from this era is awesome. Need a mod for the tow trucks picking up cars. Full races from 78 are available (almost, some bits have been removed and muted for copyright etc) on youtube. Start of 1981, the opening 20 laps or so with Johnson in the XD Falcon, Bartlet in the Camaro and Brock in the VC Commodore battling it out, awesome stuff. Ill happily take up my weekends rewatching these races. The touring car races (ATCC) from the early 80s are great to watch too.
Absolutely. It was nuts watching tow trucks out on the tracks, picking up the disabled vehicles, as other cars blew by at speed.
Good stuff. Crazy to see the circuit from back then. Thanks for the content.
Terrible pit stop, lost you 7 places...! All else... majestic :)
It was a bit of a cluster wasnt it
I'm crossing fingers for a Assetto Corsa version of this.
Love the vids. As an FYI, the apostrophe after a number indicates length in feet. 73' means 73 feet. The year 1973 abbreviated would have the apostrophe _before_ the numbers, like this: the year was '73. The apostrophe goes where you "broke" it off. Same as in a contraction like "can't".
Sure some people will bitch and moan I mentioned that. Lots of people whine. The hell with them. Keep the sim vids coming!
Looks spectacular, and quite realistic too. Spectators are really only around the pit straight or across the top of the mountain, yes those are private properties along the other straights. It's just a shame every time I see AMS2 it greatly pisses me. I have a G29 wheel and I get no force feedback whatsoever in this game making it unplayable (other games are fine). It also obnoxiously disables force feedback for all other games until I reboot windows.
That's an issue I have never heard of. The devs of AMS2 are pretty open to feedback, maybe report over at the Reiza forums? Especially CrimsonEminence over there is well known to respond to user questions.
I don't have AMS2 or a G29 but I doubt it's a widespread problem since the G29 is so popular.
Jake pronounces it BATH-hurst, as in, taking a BATH, and HURST shifter. There's only one H. Most from the area will say BA-thirst (not BAH, the A is said like "apple" or "back".) Say "Bat" but drop the T for the first syllable. Then simply say the word "thirst". BA-thirst.
Note: Some Aussies say the U sounds like an I, and drop the R. But that is just for the sake of the Aussie accent. When I was there, I was ridiculed for describing it like that.
I will admit, I used to pronounce it BAT-hurst, putting the H in the 2nd syllable. I was told that was acceptable, but still wrong. I'll say this though. If the UK and US (my 2 citizenships) don't get their crap together soon, and start taking care of their own people, I'm moving to Bathurst. HEHE
Btw it’s not quarry it’s griffins bend named after the mayor of Bathurst in the 30s who commissioned it to be a tourist road
HA ha! My dad had an Opala back in 81-82 I want to say? It was considered a fast car in Brazil :) I whole 230Hp from a super lazy V8! All I remember is that it felt huge, it really wasn't, kinda the same size of a Chevelle? Maybe a bit bigger? I remember sliding all over the bench style back seats when we took a corner, I thought it was fun. Oh the 80's! Child car seats? What is that!? LOL
I certainly hope they make some Australian touring cars from the late 70s early 80s.. I've driven almost all the cars available on this track but nothing really feels suited to is. These cars are probably the best of the bunch.
This is actually pretty similar to the historic HQ Monaro series that runs in Australia, including as a support race before the Bathurst 1000.
Great commentary and race. As a NZer, we also used to make the Bathurst 1000 an unofficial holiday (even though its run on a Sunday). Many of the great champions were NZers, providing some of the more memorable highlights, such as Jim Richards calling the crowd 'a pack of arseholes' in 1992 from the podium, and of course the passing of the legendary Denny Hulme on Conrod straight due to a heart attack in the same race.
The Group A rules in the late 80s changed the face of the race with some awesome entries and wins for the Jaguar XJS, Ford Sierra Cosworth and Nissan Skylines.
Lots of good memories.
Oh, and the 1 time I drove around the circuit, the speed limit is 60km/h (40mph) when the races arent on...and the cops love to sit there with a radar gun
I bought AMS2 a while back. Had a tough time getting a feel. Played nothing but nr2003. Got my wheel settings dialed in and have focused on running Bathurst & Group C Prototypes.
I've ran close to 1000 miles with this combination and I have had the most fun ever on a sim.
Thank you for introducing me to this game
It would be nice if there was an early 80s V8 sedan to race around this track in the game, but there are some other cars already in the game that fit. There's the Chevy Chevette which was very similar to the Holden/Isuzu Geminis which raced in several 1000s in the 70s/early 80s and were popular for low level one make racing in Australia for a very long time. I think there was even a support category for the 12 Hour which had them as a class about 10 years ago. There's also a classic Mini which is a bit old for 1983 but they were run in the 1000 up to the mid 70s and won outright in 1966.
I visited on a non-race day, and drove my rental Toyota around the track at 45kph. It was still terrifying! None of the sims do a great job of showing the huge elevation changes. There's an amazing museum to the right of Murray's corner as well. Definitely stop in there if you make it over!
39:55 the word you're looking for is "libre" - French for open, commonly "Formula Libre." In theory, open means Protoytpes vs Formula, right? ;)
It would be good if they have the car dlc where you have Group A, Group C, And group E all racing. There was a maximum was 55 cars in the 80's with all these groups, and the best thing was that the group classes were the same specs as in Europe. So you don't need to go ultra nostalgia and have the Australian skins.
Of course all the best drivers at Bathurst have been Kiwis :)
In 1983 the chase didn't exist. Conrod was a mile long straight. The chase was added around 87. But awesome looking track just need the Aussie cars
The corner you call “quarry” is actually called “Griffins Bend” named after Martin Griffin the mayor of Bathurst who had a big part in the planning process of the track
18:50 did you mention boris? Edit. I thought you said THE Dick Johnson, it was Dick Johnson you were referring to.
that looks awesome! I love the old layout.. definitely needs some old Aussie muscle cars (Falcons, Monaros and Valiant Chargers)
Weird seing left-hand drive cars on Mount Panorama. Great upload though!
George Fury holds lap record at Bathurst in a 1983 Nissan Bluebird TRX.
I think Brazilian Chevrolet Opalas are Holden Monaros in Australia
Excellent graphics and FPS. What configuration is ?
The drop at The Dipper was a lot sharper in the old days. Was flattened in the 90s IIRC.
Have a look at the crash of Kevin Bartlett in a chevy Camaro in the 80's. Rolled in the same place.