Knowledge is always incomplete. We can see this fact very clearly in Science and in daily life. With knowledge we create images. Being formed by something which is incomplete, any image is “what is not”. With basis on “what is not” we are hypnotised by the ideas of separateness.
Human arrogance is motivation for such an interview if one is expecting to leave there with a Mind's complete understanding of what can't be understood. There are some things you just can't know. To be of complete dedication to re-connecting is required. This leads one to do extremely hard work in understanding what wisdom is attainable in one's current state, while growing to greater states of Being leading to higher levels of wisdom. Jiddu Krishnamurti is too much pure un-cut Light for many, especially those still controlled by Ego.
My toys my room my hobbies my talents while I never invented toys I didn't build rooms I didn't discover or invented much, I play music but not on my invented instruments. I am just repeating and therefore I need to live in the money system now because I can offer one thing my time for money. The need for emotional spikes and excitement and pleasure erupts to cover all this with ideas which are only idols of the archetypes.
There is no time, only movement. Every "temporal" measurement is actually a measurement of movement. We involuntarily superimpose time on movement to make our practical lives easier. But thought is just a movement in consciousness, which is universal and unique.
This brief explanation of the societal programming of thought mechanisms is vital for understanding what is going on with the way the brain is patterned to a movement of time/ thought in its reactions to psychological problems by changing impetus gradually over time that doesn’t resolve such problems because it is attempting to solve them by instigating the very same thinking process which made it (the problem) in the first place. So it just creates a circular pattern of movement that keeps going until the conflict exhausts itself or stops and then a new perception is possible. Otherwise it’s repeating itself and strengthening the problem rather than reducing or solving it.
The source of thought is always limited. Thought is time. To go from here to there takes time. Thought is a movement; time is a movement. Physical time is sunrise and sunset...
We are all individuals. You can’t tell what is going on in my mind. I feel the pains and pleasure of my body alone not yours. You can’t feel the pains and pleasure of my body. We are all individuals parts of a whole, but we are individuals nonetheless.
Theres many things that I cannot explain or understand about myself. There are thoughts and feelings that arise in me and I dont know where they come from, but they're still what makes me me. They're still me. The same way I may not know exactly what is in your mind right now but we still share the same ancestrals, even between different species. The roots of our programming is the same. If you see me doing some action, you may react to my action or even just think about what you just saw and try to comprehend it rationally. So you are being affected by what you see in the world. You dont exist without the world. You are not separate from the world. The same way you cant say you are separate from your thoughts and feelings. They're still you.
Yes u can, u are no different than me. Your pain may be different but its still pain u get it. It may have a different superfcial reason or whatever but its still pain or sorrow or whatever
They are saying psychically we aren’t separate. We have separate bodies. The idea here is we have individual bodies but the mind of humanity is one, a universal mind in all bodies. But the universal mind in the body gets convinced of it’s separateness because of the isolated sensations that part of the universal mind feels in that one separate body.
Also, empirical scientific evidence shows that separation is a mere delusion. We aren’t separate from anything. Not from each other, not from the earth, not even from the universe. Everything is really one thing and evidence shows all came from one thing. It’s “one thing” perceived by us as “many separate things”. The “cosmic microwave background” one of the key pieces of evidence to the Big Bang. Which shows the entirety of the universe was once condescend down to a single point (was all one thing came from one thing). The periodic table, which illustrates how all physical elements of matter came into the universe. All the later elements came out of the preceding elements. E=MC^2 which shows that energy and matter are really the same thing. So essentially different atoms of different elements are essentially just different frequencies of energy. All of that is evidence that everything is essentially one thing, that evolved to many things, but really it is all still just one thing.
"You can’t tell what is going on in my mind." It is not a valid point. It seems to make sense now when your consciousness is not developed enough to have that ability. That will be the fact/possibility at some point in the future (many incarnations later). "We are all individuals parts of the whole" This statement is also not exactly accurate. It is valid only when you look at it from a material (body/mind) point of view. You see then separateness/multiplicity when in TRUTH there is NONE! Why? WHO ARE YOU??? Find out what the answer is .... and my point will be clear. Let me help you a little. I will give you a visual representation of it. I am presuming you have seen a pyramid with ONE SEEING EYE on the top (dollar bill)? When you look down from that SINGLE POINT of the pyramid you see multiplicity below, as the pyramid spreads out from that single point (EYE). When you look from the bottom of the pyramid around or up, you will see ONLY MULTIPLICITY. When you are close to the top, you will see a SINGLE POINT. Your vintage point will determine your view of the "REALITY". Why one single EYE? Simple = ONE CONSCIOUSNESS. What is looking through "my" eyes, and "yours" is what ?? ............... (should be easy to fill in the dotted part now :)
Look at the mountain and the small pot where you hv planted a tree and watered it every day... The plant in mountain n the pot plant may be same but you say n concern abt ur pot most ... The individual is this pot , hope it helps.🙏
This is one of the more challenging aspects of K’s work. Certainly it is an inconceivable concept for most. One which at first response is to point at how unpractical or figurative it is. But, really if one has had enough. Has been fed up enough. Has given up enough. To die while living becomes so simple. The problem is, who is left to describe to others such a reality? The emergence of AI will automate some if not most of the tasks required in our daily living. As a result, the world can work towards learning what it means to die while living in a very real and practical sense. The Scotts of the world can rest easy. ✌️.
JK agrees to everything Bohm postulates without actually explaining anything. In many ways JK was a trickster who played with words and toyed with people. Bohm, the physicist was far more precise and far more intelligent.
A lot of times, it's very difficult to actually accept that you didn't get a point, You definitely have a lot of potential to understand it.. keep trying, one day you will get it perhaps in the most unexpected way.
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I hit the jackpot on this video! David Bohm is a true classic!! Good find, indeed.
Knowledge is always incomplete. We can see this fact very clearly in Science and in daily life. With knowledge we create images. Being formed by something which is incomplete, any image is “what is not”.
With basis on “what is not” we are hypnotised by the ideas of separateness.
Human arrogance is motivation for such an interview if one is expecting to leave there with a Mind's complete understanding of what can't be understood. There are some things you just can't know. To be of complete dedication to re-connecting is required. This leads one to do extremely hard work in understanding what wisdom is attainable in one's current state, while growing to greater states of Being leading to higher levels of wisdom. Jiddu Krishnamurti is too much pure un-cut Light for many, especially those still controlled by Ego.
🌺 Grateful Sir ! 🌺 🙏
Digital immortality! Thank you J!
My toys my room my hobbies my talents while I never invented toys I didn't build rooms I didn't discover or invented much, I play music but not on my invented instruments. I am just repeating and therefore I need to live in the money system now because I can offer one thing my time for money. The need for emotional spikes and excitement and pleasure erupts to cover all this with ideas which are only idols of the archetypes.
Much needed discussion given the state of affairs in the word.
Fascinating discussion
Thanks be for sharing the love of truth
There is no time, only movement. Every "temporal" measurement is actually a measurement of movement. We involuntarily superimpose time on movement to make our practical lives easier. But thought is just a movement in consciousness, which is universal and unique.
David bohm 😍
Thank you 🙏🙏🙏
This brief explanation of the societal programming of thought mechanisms is vital for understanding what is going on with the way the brain is patterned to a movement of time/ thought in its reactions to psychological problems by changing impetus gradually over time that doesn’t resolve such problems because it is attempting to solve them by instigating the very same thinking process which made it (the problem) in the first place. So it just creates a circular pattern of movement that keeps going until the conflict exhausts itself or stops and then a new perception is possible. Otherwise it’s repeating itself and strengthening the problem rather than reducing or solving it.
The source of thought is always limited. Thought is time. To go from here to there takes time. Thought is a movement; time is a movement.
Physical time is sunrise and sunset...
❤
We are all individuals. You can’t tell what is going on in my mind. I feel the pains and pleasure of my body alone not yours. You can’t feel the pains and pleasure of my body. We are all individuals parts of a whole, but we are individuals nonetheless.
Theres many things that I cannot explain or understand about myself. There are thoughts and feelings that arise in me and I dont know where they come from, but they're still what makes me me. They're still me.
The same way I may not know exactly what is in your mind right now but we still share the same ancestrals, even between different species. The roots of our programming is the same.
If you see me doing some action, you may react to my action or even just think about what you just saw and try to comprehend it rationally. So you are being affected by what you see in the world. You dont exist without the world. You are not separate from the world. The same way you cant say you are separate from your thoughts and feelings. They're still you.
Yes u can, u are no different than me. Your pain may be different but its still pain u get it. It may have a different superfcial reason or whatever but its still pain or sorrow or whatever
They are saying psychically we aren’t separate. We have separate bodies. The idea here is we have individual bodies but the mind of humanity is one, a universal mind in all bodies. But the universal mind in the body gets convinced of it’s separateness because of the isolated sensations that part of the universal mind feels in that one separate body.
Also, empirical scientific evidence shows that separation is a mere delusion. We aren’t separate from anything. Not from each other, not from the earth, not even from the universe. Everything is really one thing and evidence shows all came from one thing. It’s “one thing” perceived by us as “many separate things”. The “cosmic microwave background” one of the key pieces of evidence to the Big Bang. Which shows the entirety of the universe was once condescend down to a single point (was all one thing came from one thing). The periodic table, which illustrates how all physical elements of matter came into the universe. All the later elements came out of the preceding elements. E=MC^2 which shows that energy and matter are really the same thing. So essentially different atoms of different elements are essentially just different frequencies of energy. All of that is evidence that everything is essentially one thing, that evolved to many things, but really it is all still just one thing.
"You can’t tell what is going on in my mind." It is not a valid point. It seems to make sense now when your consciousness is not developed enough to have that ability. That will be the fact/possibility at some point in the future (many incarnations later).
"We are all individuals parts of the whole" This statement is also not exactly accurate. It is valid only when you look at it from a material (body/mind) point of view. You see then separateness/multiplicity when in TRUTH there is NONE!
Why? WHO ARE YOU??? Find out what the answer is .... and my point will be clear.
Let me help you a little. I will give you a visual representation of it. I am presuming you have seen a pyramid with ONE SEEING EYE on the top (dollar bill)? When you look down from that SINGLE POINT of the pyramid you see multiplicity below, as the pyramid spreads out from that single point (EYE). When you look from the bottom of the pyramid around or up, you will see ONLY MULTIPLICITY. When you are close to the top, you will see a SINGLE POINT. Your vintage point will determine your view of the "REALITY".
Why one single EYE? Simple = ONE CONSCIOUSNESS. What is looking through "my" eyes, and "yours" is what ?? ............... (should be easy to fill in the dotted part now :)
We are seperate, you all just wanna be me.
Very speciale is that Is xeperiencing this form field from blank
As atma needs body to reflect its existence same for time which requires movement and an observer for its existence
Look at the mountain and the small pot where you hv planted a tree and watered it every day... The plant in mountain n the pot plant may be same but you say n concern abt ur pot most ... The individual is this pot , hope it helps.🙏
This is one of the more challenging aspects of K’s work. Certainly it is an inconceivable concept for most. One which at first response is to point at how unpractical or figurative it is.
But, really if one has had enough. Has been fed up enough. Has given up enough. To die while living becomes so simple.
The problem is, who is left to describe to others such a reality? The emergence of AI will automate some if not most of the tasks required in our daily living.
As a result, the world can work towards learning what it means to die while living in a very real and practical sense.
The Scotts of the world can rest easy. ✌️.
Is there a full version of this conversion?
Please check the description for the link
The inseparable Twins.
Time = movement, thought = movement, time is thought and thought is time
🙏💚🩵💜
Where can i find this full discussion ?
In the video description
Dependant arising... teachings of the buddha
Impermanence
Greed or agree ?degrees…wipes or no wipes.. manageable? 😅😓is it time ? Now ! 😂 so many waves 🌊 ..
JK agrees to everything Bohm postulates without actually explaining anything. In many ways JK was a trickster who played with words and toyed with people.
Bohm, the physicist was far more precise and far more intelligent.
LOL
Did Krishnamurti go to see and talk with David Bohm in order to investigate and understand himself and life? No! It was the other way round!
i didnt understand a thing here
Because you can admit that, you have the capacity to understand.
A lot of times, it's very difficult to actually accept that you didn't get a point,
You definitely have a lot of potential to understand it.. keep trying, one day you will get it perhaps in the most unexpected way.