I have an '04 Mazda 6 and it's one thing after another. Grinding starter, clutch went at 50K miles, just like most of them, everything squeaks and rattles, passenger window doesn't go down all the way, etc. I seriously doubt that an RX8 is much better. If it is, I'd be amazed.
Not really that many large changes, 3rd oil injector and various other stuff. They just changed something to do with the ecu and cobb said there wasn't a big enough market to fix it to work with the series 2. From reading on rx8club it seems like to swap an s2 engine in would be a TON of work and probably a good amount of money as well.
My understanding was it wasn't the oil per say that was the problem on the 03-05 RX8's it had more to do with the oil jets in the rotor housings or lack there of. I believe they solved this problem in 06 by adding an extra oil jet to the housing.
ya i feel you.. only got the AEM intake and want to tune it and turbo but cant.. they locked up that ECU tight.. and yes this pic is my actual car not a stock pic
@@wizardkingasta1835 this is true. I loved it. Engine blew a few weeks after I sold it however. Nissans of that era have their own issues as well. Mianly electrical. That are hard to diagnose.
@@wizardkingasta1835RX8 handles better and is more agile and fun, but 350z is better overall daily driver because the rotary is an expensive thing to maintain
I owned a twin turbo rx7 FD3S and I loved it, the handling and power was sublime, the rx8 is still great but that lack of real power and that longer wheel base make it feel so much slower. Of the two Id take the 350z
You sir are a genius. Someone who actually understands the simplicity of the rx8 that is conceived as something that is too complex due the fact that peoples mind are just too closed to the concept that is the rotary. Best car I've ever owned in my life. its a sports car who cares about MPG but i average around 20 on the highway anyways. 132k original motor miles on an 04. still going strong. people need to not listen to the general consensus because they are missing out on a great car.
I test drove both and ended up buying the 09 RX8. The engine is so smooth and near silent when cruising and then turns to a fire breathing (literally) monster when you get on it. Sure, it's not as powerful as the Z. But, to me it's far more fun in the corners.
I have a 2005 model. Here in the UK prices have dropped quite a bit ovr the last year. if you are looking for one for £7K or less then you can get an immaculate 276bhp model (up to 2005 i think) However if you're have a bit more it is worth going for the later facelift model which has a couple of tweeks and a stronger engine that revs higher and has more power. All the engines are very smooth, so are quicker than you think, just take youre time choosing the right one
Noted that your oil consumption may vary with driving style and engine condition. Also many many owners simply don't know how to take care of the engine. It's only a few habits that need to be changed and they're not big. The biggest issue with rotaries are how sensitive they are to modifications (major mods, not bolt ons) if it weren't for their good designs they wouldn't be revving to 9k rpm redline
Oh I see didn't know that about the COBB AP...are the changes to the engines that great? I know some people were looking for swapping their engines to the S2 engines if/when their's give out haha
The rotary engine is MEANT to be run up over 8k, as long as you keep up on maintenance, I've seen people pull 600+hp out of the 12a, the rotary engine produced back in '79
i just want to clear up the oil thing, the RX burns oil in the combustion process in a similar way to the old two stroke motorbike engines, its not a fault, its a characteristic of the rotary engine so if you buy it, expect to top up your oil every few of tanks of fuel (or around 1500mls i think) it doesnt return good mpg numbers because it is in effect a 2.6ltr performance car. It does need to be handled differently from a standard piston engine but that is not a negative its just DIFFERENT! I
the rx8 is one of the best cars ever made... period... people who bash it for its lack of power , and maintaince and reliabilty, just dont buy it or even drive it,,, i personally would never get rid of my rx8, i love it, even a simple drive anywhere can be relaxing and so dam enjoyable. i love my rx8.
They are making some progress for the 09+ rx8s right now. I think they are currently able to change the coil dwell settings and a few other things so probably not long before they can start doing more.
A better comparison would be to add a turbo kit for the RX-8...that's really the only way to make any significant gains. If you know where to look a whole turbo kit can be sourced for about $3000-$3500 assuming you do all the work yourself. On a completely stock engine that could be good for about 260 whp which is a pretty significant gain, great for daily driving without being too aggressive
It is nice...sometimes I really miss low end grunt especially being able to speed through without having to downshift. In the RX-8 power is really missing out in the low end. But then again the 9000 redline does make up for it!
what was your motor oil of choice when you had the 8? i recently switch to synthetic, first time since i bought the 8 in late 2004, since 04 and til now, i always got my oil change at the mazda dealer, but i now do oil changes myself, my 8 is just over 32,000 miles. I used mobil 1 5w30, but i'm gonna switch over to Royal Purple 5w30 since royal purple has been proven to be safe for rotaries, based on Royal Purple's testing and a statement them selves
also you say you have only 32k on it,. you can go with synthetic for this oil change,. i remember some one telling me that if your seals are begging to wear out the synthetic can actually help keep the seal,? not completely sure on that bout sounds possible,? if so id keep the synth going for a few k miles then flush it out with regular oil,. also make sure you drain the oil from your oil coolers and check them for damage they are really important to keep your engine alive,. do you own a ATorMA?
Tuning options for RX-8s isn't that bleak. There's a few good group of people who've gotten near 210 whp with bolt ons and a tune (which is more like a 20 hp gain rather than 30 hp). You can get a COBB AP for around $500 and tuning is much cheaper if you go with Mazdamaniac. That along with a full exhaust, intake, headers, ignition system and you can make good progress. A set of lighter pulleys and flywheel will also help out a lot (just not on the dyno)
how much did you get out of the cat? did you use the same muffler set up? i have been thinking about doing a high flow cat but doesnt that throw your check engine?
Like I said in my comment I am talking about 09+ rx8s. The cobb ap only works on 04-08 rx8s so it is not an option for the series 2 crowd. As of now it is VERY bleak for series 2 owners but people are trying to make progress currently I believe.
I've had an RX-8 for the past 2 years. Yes the original motor was replaced, it's a 2004 model with all the notorious engine problems. Newer engines don't have anywhere near the reliability problems that the old ones had and I've clocked about 30k miles on this engine with 15k miles turbocharged. And no it's not the apex seals that go out, this isn't the RX-7. It's the side seals/springs that go out with heat/low oil. These are rotary engines and they eat oil about a liter every 5-6 fill ups.
I smh'd when he cold started the RX-8, and people still call rotary engines "unreliable", hmm I wonder why.... Oh ya, ignoring the required oil changes every 3k miles is okay, rotary engines can run on dirty oil for another 2-3k miles just fine... (Still wonder where the bad reviews come from yet?) I should probably drive nice and slow in my RX-8, I heard rotary engines break down often, don't want to drive it too hard, don't want to hurt the engine... -__- "What engine does your RX-8 have?", "Oh it has a renesis rotary", "What's that?", "I'm not sure exactly, I think it's like a V6 or something" #killmenow
He ido en los dos, y he conducido el 8, antes de verlos y probarlos me iba con el Z de cabeza; pero lo cierto es q el nissan es un coche mucho mas aburrido, suena mucho peor, es extrañamente pesado y tiene unos bajos realmente tristes; sin embargo el 8 se presenta ligero, increblemente confortable para el conductor; el 8 es increible; aunk ande un poco mas el Z yo me dencanto por el 8
After owing an FC3S I can guarantee that a rotary does have an engine life and from the many owners that i know and having experienced it myself a rotary should do 150k km or 15 years. But the bonus is knowing the signs of a bagged out rotary can save you a fortune. The engines are easy to rebuild. If all parts and tools are on hand 1 guy could easily do it in a day.
The RX8 wasn't really designed for straight line racing, it's kinda like a bigger slightly more powerful Mazda Miata. I driven both cars and I actually own a 2007 350Z, I love both cars to death and their both fun in their own ways. I love how the Z just flexes it's muscles just powering through gears and I love how balanced and easy it is to throw the RX8 in any direction you want without any fear that it will over power me and try to kill me lol
@MurderTechnique The 350Z and RX8 are good cars in their own way. And, I like both. Different cars suit different people with different needs. RX8 is more practical and comfortable with decent power while the Z has more power, torque and muscle. RX8 wasn't designed to be a hardcore sports car while its older brother, RX7, was. Rotary tuners and experts always feel that it is unfair to compare RX7 and RX8 together cause their design purpose was different in the first place. ;)
it's not really high maintenance. just regular oil checks and top offs because it WILL consume a bit of oil (about 1 liter per 5000km under regular use), which is part of the rotary engine experience.
the rotary engine is actually a good engine. i own a rx-8 and its really great. easy to maintain yes the 350z is better normally and on stock. but the rx-8 is a better drift car on the mountains but in a competition it does lose to the 350z. those who have problems with rotary engines have problems cuz they dont take care of there cars not cuz its bad. its as reliable as my old honda accord. and gets the same amount of millage on engine. just put in a cold air intake and performance parts.
@sonic8002 The reason why the RX8 is 4 dr is because of its a 4dr sports car is cheaper on insurance. My friend has a 350 he paid about 17K out the door , my other friend paid about 15K for his S2K. I just bought a RX8 it cost 6300 Haha. I'm saving up for coilovers they're still making payments and their insurance is painfully high because they're around 26 yrs old etc. I'll never pass them on a touge run but I can easily keep up, once I get some $ for parts it'll be a better match.
I think I'd do Rx8 to work on my precision on an autoX course or to daily drive, but would go 350 if I wanted a GT style touring car, per-se, to carve canyons smoothly with lots of power on tap.
Oh yea. I have no knowledge at all. I'm a used car dealer. Do you know how many engines I've had to put in these? I just had one last week with 45k miles and it's blown an Apex seal. You are one of the few lucky ones. I get these all of the time blown up. With low mileage too. The owners can't afford to fix them and I end up buying them and rebuilding them.
I have a 2004 The year model of course that is supposedly the most problematic year of the car as it is the first year model. My car has 132190 miles on it currently is my daily driver. ORIGINAL ENGINE. Its all about the standard precautions and driving the car the way its meant to be driven. Don't discourage people from owning a wonderful car. If you take car of it correctly it will be the funnest car you'll ever drive. Don't provide false info on subject you have no knowledge of.
Plenty of Rx-8's have hit past 100k miles. They only had real issues when they first came out. The main problem is people do not know how to maintain them. The back seats have decent room. I'm 5'11 210lbs and fit back there with someone equal size of me in the front. It sounds like you're just upset that RX8>350Z>S2k. And complaining about MPGs for a sports car kinda suggest that you can't afford anything better than a honda anyway...
@leolim79...I realize that Mazda took a different direction w/the Rx8 and that's exactly why (expecially after owning an Rx7) I voiced my opinon in this "Rx8 vs 350z" video in favor of the 350z. The Rx8 isn't the dedicated sports car that the Rx7 was. The 350z IS a dedicated sports car. I hope Mazda goes back to their roots w/the "Rx" series and makes the inevitable Rx9 a dedicated sports car w/2 doors, more power and torque and no back seats. The concept pictures and rumors look promising! :)
I would and did not spend that much money on hp for my rx8, I focused on what it wheel/tire/suspension. I gave up on hp because you burn through so much $ and gain little hp if any at all. My Accord gains 50-75 whp with $1,200-$2,000 worth of intake and exhaust mods.
understand that, and its probably called 21:9 so that people understand the difference between it and a 16:9. Would you know which is which if you weren't good at maths, didn't have much experience in displays and they were called 16:9 and 7:3 ????
Considering there are very very very few options for tuning a 09+ rx8 everything you say sounds like bs to me. The one options that is out there right now is using an adaptronic ecu which costs at least $1500 for the unit and that does not even include the install and tuning. Also you are not going to gain 13 hp from a high flow cat, you wont even gain that from a cat delete.
supposedly two rival cars since its debut when the Z had only 287, so now with its slight upgrades on each car they put em up against each other again, power vs control, seems like the HR is too much still =]
DO NOT use synthetic,. the engine is burning oil wile it ignites the fuel,. when you use synthetic the oil does not burn up properly and will leave a film or coating along the walls of the housing,. that will damage your engine completely and loose power FAST, i used it and i noticed loss of power within months, and noise coming from the engine while idle, also oil would depend on temperature it depends where you are driving the car,? I'm in anaheim CA,. i used 5w30 mobile K&N filter:D49,877mils
Drove 2011 models of both extensively before choosing an 09 RX-8. I like the 11 and 12 sti, and if I needed a wagon I might have picked Subaru. But no, neither of them "shit" on an RX-8's handling.
cheap lightweight 4 door 4 seater family car or a big 2 seater v6 coupe dont see why they are always compared the rx8 should be compared to other 4 or 5 seaters like the golf gti, astra vxr, focus st etc
Actually you can buy a 350 for the same price as the Z, although a base RX is cheaper than a base Z. Besides, why would you want to void the warranty on a not-so-reliable mazda with a turbo kit?
Both are cool cars in different ways, to say either is crap is just silly. I wish the rx8 had a little single turbo and some nicer lines in the back. And for anyone to say a 350z handles shitty is whacked, I'd say its pretty balanced for handling and power.
i test drove both of them. the RX8 allthough very nice was no where near as fun. everything about the 350z is more brutal and manly, which makes it an absolute joy to drive. speaking of which. i'm off out for a blast in my Z!!! :D
Don't be so nervous.... Top gear does laptimes on winter, summer, spring etc. air temperature, air humidity, and track temperature change a lot, and that produces huge diferences in laptimes... 350z and rx8 weren't run at the same time. the 350z latime even't wen't on TV.. Poofs? look at the GTR laptimes. first GTR on track did 1:19.7, later, the slightly improved GTR did a 17.8, 2 seconds faster in two cars that are pretty much identical. Newer GTR isn't faster than 1 second than the previous
So explain me why on the top gear test track, the aston martin DBS did a 1:23.9, and the Aston martin V12 vantage, with the same engine as the DBS, but much lighter, and more track focused, just did a 1:26.8? both the E46 M3, 350z and RX-8 did a 1.31.8 on top gear. But everybody knows that the M3 is faster than both the 350z and the RX-8....
Great video. I love the blending so we can see both cars together. I drove a Z, Rx-8, S2000 and SKY Redline when I was deciding on the car I wanted. The RX-8 is limp-wristed and boring. The S2000 is incredible quality and top of the line, but a bit too small. The SKY is an even better value, but even smaller. At 6'3 I just don't fit in those two. The Z is powerful, masculine and had the biggest "smile factor" for me. I don't think I'll ever get rid of it.
@asdqwerdsasdafasfa El 350 tuvo varias evoluciones y no solo cambio el motor de 300 a 313cv, también tuvo mejoras en el chasis ¿que versión probaste?. Me llama la atención la falta de bajos que le achacas al Z.
UnitiveWILLIAM24 you can turn it off in the same radio menu that you use for the music EQ. it's literally after the bass/mid/treble settings. pretty dope actually imo.
nto to mention that the one has a 3000cc and the rx8 has a 1300 plus nto to mention but from what i i got from the beap on the rx8 when you reach the red line.. that is propably AT..wich means less HP power
I owned an Rx7 (which was better than the Rx8) prior to getting a '07 350z. I love the rev-happy rotary engine & test drove the Rx8 in hope that it would impress me. IT DID NOT. The ONLY thing I miss about my Rx7 is its agility. Though the Rx8 is also more agile than the 350 (because it's lighter in weight) the 350 has more torque, acceleration & stability. Also, it doesn't have gay "suicide" doors & pointless back seats. The Rx8 isn't the dedicated sports car that the Rx7 was. 350 all the way.
@JoeBird76 see im 15 and turning 16 so im thinkin bout getting this car the rx8 i know the 350z has more power by a little but it aint got back seats or anything i think the rx8 is better cause
i just bought myself a 2006 rx8 and it is fuckin amazing, it feels so light handles so brilliantly and that engine just loves to rev......so what the mpg is terrible! just go without luxuries like cigarettes and booz because the rx8 is way more exciting than anything else!
@ILikeReallyBigButts Oh come on now, you seemed so proper and civilized before. Now you are just resorting to vulgar words for no apparent reason. Yes, I'm a kid who's 21 and you must be such a mature adult for attempting to offend someone over youtube. Bravo , I applaud you.
Well, here, most of RX8 cost 8000$~, while 350z, I saw some for 9000$~, even if most of them are 12000$~.. That's quite good no? I mean, even if the 350z is way bigger, it still has more power, but yeah. I'd still take the RX8 I guess. O.o
Haha a friend of mine had one too...it snapped on him and the dealer wouldn't replace it saying as it's a performance part or something Still cool to say you have forced induction!
I have an '04 Mazda 6 and it's one thing after another. Grinding starter, clutch went at 50K miles, just like most of them, everything squeaks and rattles, passenger window doesn't go down all the way, etc.
I seriously doubt that an RX8 is much better. If it is, I'd be amazed.
309 hp vs 228 hp... nice work mazda!
Not really that many large changes, 3rd oil injector and various other stuff. They just changed something to do with the ecu and cobb said there wasn't a big enough market to fix it to work with the series 2. From reading on rx8club it seems like to swap an s2 engine in would be a TON of work and probably a good amount of money as well.
My understanding was it wasn't the oil per say that was the problem on the 03-05 RX8's it had more to do with the oil jets in the rotor housings or lack there of. I believe they solved this problem in 06 by adding an extra oil jet to the housing.
ya i feel you.. only got the AEM intake and want to tune it and turbo but cant.. they locked up that ECU tight.. and yes this pic is my actual car not a stock pic
RX8 over 350z anyday. love how mine handles.
Bruh rx8 has so many issues it’s not worth 😂
@@wizardkingasta1835 this is true. I loved it. Engine blew a few weeks after I sold it however. Nissans of that era have their own issues as well. Mianly electrical. That are hard to diagnose.
@@anthonyallred yes but how is maintenance I am choosing between 350 and rx8 rn was it expensive to maintain or was the mpg rlly bad what was it like
@@wizardkingasta1835 yeah they are gas guzzlers. Go 350z I would say.
@@wizardkingasta1835RX8 handles better and is more agile and fun, but 350z is better overall daily driver because the rotary is an expensive thing to maintain
Tiff is such a great driver, I’ve owned the JDM 350z version S for a month now, and he handles it like he grew up tracking it
Well... hes not a great Driver..hes a great Racing driver
I owned a twin turbo rx7 FD3S and I loved it, the handling and power was sublime, the rx8 is still great but that lack of real power and that longer wheel base make it feel so much slower. Of the two Id take the 350z
You sir are a genius. Someone who actually understands the simplicity of the rx8 that is conceived as something that is too complex due the fact that peoples mind are just too closed to the concept that is the rotary. Best car I've ever owned in my life. its a sports car who cares about MPG but i average around 20 on the highway anyways. 132k original motor miles on an 04. still going strong. people need to not listen to the general consensus because they are missing out on a great car.
I test drove both and ended up buying the 09 RX8. The engine is so smooth and near silent when cruising and then turns to a fire breathing (literally) monster when you get on it. Sure, it's not as powerful as the Z. But, to me it's far more fun in the corners.
I have a 2005 model. Here in the UK prices have dropped quite a bit ovr the last year. if you are looking for one for £7K or less then you can get an immaculate 276bhp model (up to 2005 i think)
However if you're have a bit more it is worth going for the later facelift model which has a couple of tweeks and a stronger engine that revs higher and has more power.
All the engines are very smooth, so are quicker than you think, just take youre time choosing the right one
Noted that your oil consumption may vary with driving style and engine condition. Also many many owners simply don't know how to take care of the engine. It's only a few habits that need to be changed and they're not big. The biggest issue with rotaries are how sensitive they are to modifications (major mods, not bolt ons) if it weren't for their good designs they wouldn't be revving to 9k rpm redline
Oh I see didn't know that about the COBB AP...are the changes to the engines that great? I know some people were looking for swapping their engines to the S2 engines if/when their's give out haha
This video was filmed with a potato.
lol. awesome
+Garrett Coggins you are wrong idiot! was filmed whit a vertical potato you moron!!!
i kidd i kidd :3
Garrett Coggins 3.5L vs 1.3L
Rx8 still winner
MElekiaZ twas still with a potato
The rotary engine is MEANT to be run up over 8k, as long as you keep up on maintenance, I've seen people pull 600+hp out of the 12a, the rotary engine produced back in '79
I love watching Tiff drive. Guy is sick behind the wheel
i just want to clear up the oil thing, the RX burns oil in the combustion process in a similar way to the old two stroke motorbike engines, its not a fault, its a characteristic of the rotary engine so if you buy it, expect to top up your oil every few of tanks of fuel (or around 1500mls i think) it doesnt return good mpg numbers because it is in effect a 2.6ltr performance car. It does need to be handled differently from a standard piston engine but that is not a negative its just DIFFERENT! I
the rx8 is one of the best cars ever made... period... people who bash it for its lack of power , and maintaince and reliabilty, just dont buy it or even drive it,,, i personally would never get rid of my rx8, i love it, even a simple drive anywhere can be relaxing and so dam enjoyable. i love my rx8.
They are making some progress for the 09+ rx8s right now. I think they are currently able to change the coil dwell settings and a few other things so probably not long before they can start doing more.
What do you think of the Renesis? Seems to me the "issues" were caused by the wrong oil used.
A better comparison would be to add a turbo kit for the RX-8...that's really the only way to make any significant gains. If you know where to look a whole turbo kit can be sourced for about $3000-$3500 assuming you do all the work yourself. On a completely stock engine that could be good for about 260 whp which is a pretty significant gain, great for daily driving without being too aggressive
It is nice...sometimes I really miss low end grunt especially being able to speed through without having to downshift. In the RX-8 power is really missing out in the low end. But then again the 9000 redline does make up for it!
what was your motor oil of choice when you had the 8? i recently switch to synthetic, first time since i bought the 8 in late 2004, since 04 and til now, i always got my oil change at the mazda dealer, but i now do oil changes myself, my 8 is just over 32,000 miles. I used mobil 1 5w30, but i'm gonna switch over to Royal Purple 5w30 since royal purple has been proven to be safe for rotaries, based on Royal Purple's testing and a statement them selves
also you say you have only 32k on it,. you can go with synthetic for this oil change,. i remember some one telling me that if your seals are begging to wear out the synthetic can actually help keep the seal,? not completely sure on that bout sounds possible,? if so id keep the synth going for a few k miles then flush it out with regular oil,. also make sure you drain the oil from your oil coolers and check them for damage they are really important to keep your engine alive,. do you own a ATorMA?
Tuning options for RX-8s isn't that bleak. There's a few good group of people who've gotten near 210 whp with bolt ons and a tune (which is more like a 20 hp gain rather than 30 hp). You can get a COBB AP for around $500 and tuning is much cheaper if you go with Mazdamaniac. That along with a full exhaust, intake, headers, ignition system and you can make good progress. A set of lighter pulleys and flywheel will also help out a lot (just not on the dyno)
how much did you get out of the cat? did you use the same muffler set up? i have been thinking about doing a high flow cat but doesnt that throw your check engine?
Like I said in my comment I am talking about 09+ rx8s. The cobb ap only works on 04-08 rx8s so it is not an option for the series 2 crowd. As of now it is VERY bleak for series 2 owners but people are trying to make progress currently I believe.
I prefer the Rx8 over the 350 as well, but you can't say it's only fast on a straight. It just beat the Rx8 a small, tight, and twisty course.
I've had an RX-8 for the past 2 years. Yes the original motor was replaced, it's a 2004 model with all the notorious engine problems. Newer engines don't have anywhere near the reliability problems that the old ones had and I've clocked about 30k miles on this engine with 15k miles turbocharged. And no it's not the apex seals that go out, this isn't the RX-7. It's the side seals/springs that go out with heat/low oil. These are rotary engines and they eat oil about a liter every 5-6 fill ups.
I smh'd when he cold started the RX-8, and people still call rotary engines "unreliable", hmm I wonder why....
Oh ya, ignoring the required oil changes every 3k miles is okay, rotary engines can run on dirty oil for another 2-3k miles just fine... (Still wonder where the bad reviews come from yet?)
I should probably drive nice and slow in my RX-8, I heard rotary engines break down often, don't want to drive it too hard, don't want to hurt the engine... -__-
"What engine does your RX-8 have?", "Oh it has a renesis rotary", "What's that?", "I'm not sure exactly, I think it's like a V6 or something" #killmenow
what are you on about
you know this video was edited right? they didnt actually turn on these cars and instantly race them you goon
R3 has built in rev limiter, so it limits u whenever engine is cold....
@@cebal1991 Cold rev limiter kicks in around 6k, warmed up it should still kick in at 9.5k
You obviously haven't ever driven one. You simply don't know what you are talking about.
How is the gas mileage? Im still on the fence on which to get. I like Z's more but I like the fact that I dont see as many Rx's
He ido en los dos, y he conducido el 8, antes de verlos y probarlos me iba con el Z de cabeza; pero lo cierto es q el nissan es un coche mucho mas aburrido, suena mucho peor, es extrañamente pesado y tiene unos bajos realmente tristes; sin embargo el 8 se presenta ligero, increblemente confortable para el conductor; el 8 es increible; aunk ande un poco mas el Z yo me dencanto por el 8
After owing an FC3S I can guarantee that a rotary does have an engine life and from the many owners that i know and having experienced it myself a rotary should do 150k km or 15 years. But the bonus is knowing the signs of a bagged out rotary can save you a fortune. The engines are easy to rebuild. If all parts and tools are on hand 1 guy could easily do it in a day.
The RX8 wasn't really designed for straight line racing, it's kinda like a bigger slightly more powerful Mazda Miata. I driven both cars and I actually own a 2007 350Z, I love both cars to death and their both fun in their own ways. I love how the Z just flexes it's muscles just powering through gears and I love how balanced and easy it is to throw the RX8 in any direction you want without any fear that it will over power me and try to kill me lol
@MurderTechnique
The 350Z and RX8 are good cars in their own way. And, I like both. Different cars suit different people with different needs. RX8 is more practical and comfortable with decent power while the Z has more power, torque and muscle. RX8 wasn't designed to be a hardcore sports car while its older brother, RX7, was. Rotary tuners and experts always feel that it is unfair to compare RX7 and RX8 together cause their design purpose was different in the first place. ;)
For some reason the Nissan GT-R was brought up again in this comment section. I can't say I'm surprised.
it's not really high maintenance. just regular oil checks and top offs because it WILL consume a bit of oil (about 1 liter per 5000km under regular use), which is part of the rotary engine experience.
yeah this is why i'm getting a 350z in a few days, cant wait.
Despite hp difference RX8 performed well against 350Z. For more RX8 videos check my account
the rotary engine is actually a good engine. i own a rx-8 and its really great. easy to maintain yes the 350z is better normally and on stock. but the rx-8 is a better drift car on the mountains but in a competition it does lose to the 350z. those who have problems with rotary engines have problems cuz they dont take care of there cars not cuz its bad. its as reliable as my old honda accord. and gets the same amount of millage on engine. just put in a cold air intake and performance parts.
yes, i visited the mazda dealer yesterday, and they are a high maintenance cars. I'm going to buy one
didn't like the video, it was too wide for me.
k&n intakes actually cause power loss in rx8s. only the racing beat and AEM intakes make a power gain.
Iam from future 2021 this car is very good
I Like the fact that having 4 friends and going fast as the 350z really makes people want to go fast in one. o.o
11 years on and I still dont undertand this comment
@DRV101 well considering the stig only ever raced in F3 and tiff raced in F1 youre point really has no grounds.
@sonic8002 The reason why the RX8 is 4 dr is because of its a 4dr sports car is cheaper on insurance. My friend has a 350 he paid about 17K out the door , my other friend paid about 15K for his S2K. I just bought a RX8 it cost 6300 Haha. I'm saving up for coilovers they're still making payments and their insurance is painfully high because they're around 26 yrs old etc. I'll never pass them on a touge run but I can easily keep up, once I get some $ for parts it'll be a better match.
in top gear rx8 and 350z have the same time.
I think I'd do Rx8 to work on my precision on an autoX course or to daily drive, but would go 350 if I wanted a GT style touring car, per-se, to carve canyons smoothly with lots of power on tap.
Oh yea. I have no knowledge at all. I'm a used car dealer. Do you know how many engines I've had to put in these? I just had one last week with 45k miles and it's blown an Apex seal. You are one of the few lucky ones. I get these all of the time blown up. With low mileage too. The owners can't afford to fix them and I end up buying them and rebuilding them.
Mine has 113 000 km and still running great. Rx8 engine blowing at 60 is bullshit
Only thing is it's actually really expensive to turbo-charge or supercharge the rx-8 :(
I think the Rx-8 would be brilliant with twin-turbo or SC
I have a 2004 The year model of course that is supposedly the most problematic year of the car as it is the first year model. My car has 132190 miles on it currently is my daily driver. ORIGINAL ENGINE. Its all about the standard precautions and driving the car the way its meant to be driven. Don't discourage people from owning a wonderful car. If you take car of it correctly it will be the funnest car you'll ever drive. Don't provide false info on subject you have no knowledge of.
Plenty of Rx-8's have hit past 100k miles. They only had real issues when they first came out. The main problem is people do not know how to maintain them.
The back seats have decent room. I'm 5'11 210lbs and fit back there with someone equal size of me in the front.
It sounds like you're just upset that RX8>350Z>S2k. And complaining about MPGs for a sports car kinda suggest that you can't afford anything better than a honda anyway...
@leolim79...I realize that Mazda took a different direction w/the Rx8 and that's exactly why (expecially after owning an Rx7) I voiced my opinon in this "Rx8 vs 350z" video in favor of the 350z. The Rx8 isn't the dedicated sports car that the Rx7 was. The 350z IS a dedicated sports car. I hope Mazda goes back to their roots w/the "Rx" series and makes the inevitable Rx9 a dedicated sports car w/2 doors, more power and torque and no back seats. The concept pictures and rumors look promising! :)
@alexvage debia de ser el 280 pero tampoco cambia tanto de 280 a 313, el 8 es mas divertido, el Z parece un motor muy grande
I would and did not spend that much money on hp for my rx8, I focused on what it wheel/tire/suspension. I gave up on hp because you burn through so much $ and gain little hp if any at all. My Accord gains 50-75 whp with $1,200-$2,000 worth of intake and exhaust mods.
right now, i'm so glad that i paid extra for a 21:9 (why isni't it called 7:3?) screen.
understand that, and its probably called 21:9 so that people understand the difference between it and a 16:9. Would you know which is which if you weren't good at maths, didn't have much experience in displays and they were called 16:9 and 7:3 ????
Considering there are very very very few options for tuning a 09+ rx8 everything you say sounds like bs to me. The one options that is out there right now is using an adaptronic ecu which costs at least $1500 for the unit and that does not even include the install and tuning. Also you are not going to gain 13 hp from a high flow cat, you wont even gain that from a cat delete.
supposedly two rival cars since its debut when the Z had only 287, so now with its slight upgrades on each car they put em up against each other again, power vs control, seems like the HR is too much still =]
its alot more work to have an Rx8.. In the end its all up to you!
It does not handle anywhere as good but it's much more comfortable DD, I get 28 mixed, my RX struggled to get 18 mixed.
DO NOT use synthetic,. the engine is burning oil wile it ignites the fuel,. when you use synthetic the oil does not burn up properly and will leave a film or coating along the walls of the housing,. that will damage your engine completely and loose power FAST, i used it and i noticed loss of power within months, and noise coming from the engine while idle, also oil would depend on temperature it depends where you are driving the car,? I'm in anaheim CA,. i used 5w30 mobile K&N filter:D49,877mils
Drove 2011 models of both extensively before choosing an 09 RX-8. I like the 11 and 12 sti, and if I needed a wagon I might have picked Subaru. But no, neither of them "shit" on an RX-8's handling.
cheap lightweight 4 door 4 seater family car or a big 2 seater v6 coupe
dont see why they are always compared the rx8 should be compared to other 4 or 5 seaters like the golf gti, astra vxr, focus st etc
Actually you can buy a 350 for the same price as the Z, although a base RX is cheaper than a base Z. Besides, why would you want to void the warranty on a not-so-reliable mazda with a turbo kit?
Both are cool cars in different ways, to say either is crap is just silly. I wish the rx8 had a little single turbo and some nicer lines in the back. And for anyone to say a 350z handles shitty is whacked, I'd say its pretty balanced for handling and power.
i test drove both of them. the RX8 allthough very nice was no where near as fun. everything about the 350z is more brutal and manly, which makes it an absolute joy to drive. speaking of which. i'm off out for a blast in my Z!!! :D
@alexvage El chasis es casi igual... la diferencia es mas en el motor
Don't be so nervous.... Top gear does laptimes on winter, summer, spring etc. air temperature, air humidity, and track temperature change a lot, and that produces huge diferences in laptimes... 350z and rx8 weren't run at the same time. the 350z latime even't wen't on TV..
Poofs? look at the GTR laptimes. first GTR on track did 1:19.7, later, the slightly improved GTR did a 17.8, 2 seconds faster in two cars that are pretty much identical. Newer GTR isn't faster than 1 second than the previous
So explain me why on the top gear test track, the aston martin DBS did a 1:23.9, and the Aston martin V12 vantage, with the same engine as the DBS, but much lighter, and more track focused, just did a 1:26.8?
both the E46 M3, 350z and RX-8 did a 1.31.8 on top gear. But everybody knows that the M3 is faster than both the 350z and the RX-8....
Now that's pretty significant! I've done a whole intake/header/exhaust on a 08 Scion tC and that barely netted me like 30 hp...on a good day haha
Great video. I love the blending so we can see both cars together.
I drove a Z, Rx-8, S2000 and SKY Redline when I was deciding on the car I wanted.
The RX-8 is limp-wristed and boring. The S2000 is incredible quality and top of the line, but a bit too small. The SKY is an even better value, but even smaller. At 6'3 I just don't fit in those two.
The Z is powerful, masculine and had the biggest "smile factor" for me. I don't think I'll ever get rid of it.
RX-8 designer in 2002: who the heck stole my fuckin turbo blueprint??
I can admit that, it could do with some torque. Still a fun car to drive though.
The strange thing is none of my friend's Z can catch my RX on the Ring...
@asdqwerdsasdafasfa El 350 tuvo varias evoluciones y no solo cambio el motor de 300 a 313cv, también tuvo mejoras en el chasis ¿que versión probaste?. Me llama la atención la falta de bajos que le achacas al Z.
That rev beeper on the RX8 would annoy the fuck out of me.
its not that bad with music playing after while you just tune it out
UnitiveWILLIAM24 you can turn it off in the same radio menu that you use for the music EQ. it's literally after the bass/mid/treble settings. pretty dope actually imo.
That's pretty good! My friend bought the centrifugal TuRD supercharger 8 psi kit for his and only gained 25 whp hahaha......
nto to mention that the one has a 3000cc and the rx8 has a 1300 plus nto to mention but from what i i got from the beap on the rx8 when you reach the red line.. that is propably AT..wich means less HP power
I owned an Rx7 (which was better than the Rx8) prior to getting a '07 350z. I love the rev-happy rotary engine & test drove the Rx8 in hope that it would impress me. IT DID NOT. The ONLY thing I miss about my Rx7 is its agility. Though the Rx8 is also more agile than the 350 (because it's lighter in weight) the 350 has more torque, acceleration & stability. Also, it doesn't have gay "suicide" doors & pointless back seats. The Rx8 isn't the dedicated sports car that the Rx7 was. 350 all the way.
far quicker? not really when they had a run on the Top Gear track, both the rx8 and the 350z got the exact same time.
i would race a 350z leaving work every night at 2am, it all depends of where the cars are using what they have,. and yea nice top gear episode,!
This +1 lol but I guess I can't say much as I went from a 944 Turbo to the RX-8...maintenance on older Porsches can get expensive.
They sound like TIE fighters coming around the corners lol
@JoeBird76 see im 15 and turning 16 so im thinkin bout getting this car the rx8 i know the 350z has more power by a little but it aint got back seats or anything i think the rx8 is better cause
i just bought myself a 2006 rx8 and it is fuckin amazing, it feels so light handles so brilliantly and that engine just loves to rev......so what the mpg is terrible! just go without luxuries like cigarettes and booz because the rx8 is way more exciting than anything else!
@AVALANX Yea, they don't understand that
obviously u forgot to drive it to the limiter. from about 4500 rpm on it really takes off
I want a mazda rx8 but from what people have said used buys are too unreliable. So i'm gonna wait a while and get a z.
The RX8 is lighter and has slightly better handling, though.
So I asked Siri to define douche bag. And Pancake Please came up
you cant ride a rotary like a piston drived car, thats obvious!!
Damn both great cars ...
@ILikeReallyBigButts Oh come on now, you seemed so proper and civilized before. Now you are just resorting to vulgar words for no apparent reason. Yes, I'm a kid who's 21 and you must be such a mature adult for attempting to offend someone over youtube. Bravo , I applaud you.
Mazda is an excellent car no doubt.
Well, here, most of RX8 cost 8000$~, while 350z, I saw some for 9000$~, even if most of them are 12000$~.. That's quite good no? I mean, even if the 350z is way bigger, it still has more power, but yeah. I'd still take the RX8 I guess. O.o
Haha a friend of mine had one too...it snapped on him and the dealer wouldn't replace it saying as it's a performance part or something
Still cool to say you have forced induction!
ive heard terrible things about the rotary engine on the rx-8, my brother in law has one as well and has blown 3 engines
MAHZDA RX8 AND NESSEN 350 ZED
Tell me how you get 30+hp out of an RX8, please. I used to own one.