My Aunt had an Argon years ago. It was a lot of work doing a Sunday roast because you constantly have to shift things between the different temperature ovens.
I just ordered one, I love the beautiful stereo sounds it can produce and its not as limited as just a rompler synth. You can get really creative with this one, just like any normal analog synth.
So far I've really enjoyed mine. Sounds great, easy to use, and invites exploration. I was surprised with the presence of the bottom end. The best I've heard in digital.
@@Jason75913 And filter quality/style, and good math with no aliasing, and selection of oscillator waveforms, and D/A conversion and output stage voicing, which relates to the internal clocking, power supply, etc. But yeah, along with all that, you're absolutely right. ;)
Not a fan of the joystick an reliance on the shift button but an 8 voice synth for this cheap is pretty sweet, not to mention being unapologetically digital. Everyone is scared to do this nowadays but not modal.
I’m certainly excited about this one! The sound puts it in 1st place for me. It may not have as much modulation as other synths of a similar nature but, for me, the the sound is perfect.
Fancy the M - its a really small size (and Im tight for space) - HOWEVER, looking at the control panel for both - While the M sees to have push encoders (rather than separate buttons) for some functions (to save space) - I dont see any of the markings for the sequencer.... the Arp yes but not the sequencer. Theres no sequence button, and no animation graphics.... That would rule out the module version for me unfortunately, and the keyboard one wont fit my space. I have EMailed Model about this to confirm/clarify things but Im not hopefull.
Synth Shoot I thought long and hard about your comment. Also listened to the video over and over, as well as checked out some sine wave tests on TH-cam. I do believe that sine waves are theoretically just fundamental tones however when being pushed through a speaker the waves begin to move air which is a little chaotic and the low end sine waves create harmonics that are perceivable. Once I heard sine waves in the mid range however I couldn’t perceive any depth or overtones. I’d imagine the lower end waves have the ability to rattle other objects and create overtones out of them indirectly. The point you bring up is so interesting.
Frequency is a thing! Sine waves are merely "smooth" periodic waves (not cusps or discontinuity). Speed the frequency of the wave and get high pitch sounds. Slow the frequency and you get low pitch sounds
I don't quite understand any manufacturer which brings out a new synth without looping envelopes. It sounds like such an easy feature to include, and it's so useful.
I’m really smitten with this synth. Mine should be here by the end of the week and it’s probably the most excited I’ve been for a new synth in a long time. It sounds and looks excellent and has a ton of really cool features that have all been implemented really well. It reminds of the Minilogue in this way. Maybe not the MOST feature full synth, it it’s all so fully realized that the whole package is just amazing.
Smooth Oscillator Awesome to hear! I was told there was one shipment ahead of me and I’ll be on the next one which should be getting to them this Friday or next Monday/Tuesday. Glad you’re liking yours. It really seems super characterful and fun to play.
This synth proves a great deal can be accomplished and programmed without having to be analog, or crazy expensive. Shame Waldorf never updated the XTk to be something like this, but Modal filled in the void here.
@@vforvillain77 He's comparing this model to a specific Waldorf model, not Waldorf itself or the entire Waldorf line ovef decades. That said, specifics would lend more weight to the argument.
Someone wrote: "Reginald Braithewaite: Waldorf means *any* Waldorf." Let's leave aside the fact that the poster spoke ***only of the Waldorf XTk***, which is why I responded. The greatest synth companies in the world make missteps because that's part of the exploration that goes into creating new devices. If they didn't, we'd have nothing but copycat synths. The PPG was one of the first synths I ever used on sessions and I hope the Quantum will be one of the next. But Waldorf's R&D are not Zeus's pantheon! Besides, Zeus made tons of mistakes! Loving instruments by Waldorf doesn't have to mean defending everything they do or refusing to compare the features of a Waldorf with those of another company's synth. Whether the Phil's comparison of features and sound is *accurate* is another question! I would say not, but I'd have to hear both instruments side by side to know.
@@reginaldbraithewaite5833 that was a hell of a lot of pointless yapping. Ouch. Theres a reason I deleted my comment by the way. And I don't really care about your thoughts or anything you're saying one way or another
@@vforvillain77 How polite of you to suggest, FeedMeSeymour. Happy to make your acquaintance, too. But let's be clear: You deleted your comment because you realized it showed you misread the OP. If I were like you, I'd call your comment "brainless yapping," but that's your mode, not mine. Everyone makes mistakes. And that's why I didn't use your name, BTW: So you wouldn't have to look foolish.
I'm wondering if there's some lock function on the joystick in regards to the effects, i.e. the downpull. Seems like that would be good as you can do that with a traditional mod wheel
4:30 onwards you talk about strange extra weight on a sine-wave you're not normally hearing. Well, thats how sine wave is not supposed to be. The extra "weight" is harmonics pure sine does not have - this thing plays too loud and distorts the output stage and even the pure sine wave sounds like playing through a overdrive pedal. Sounds pretty nice, though, similar to sound Elektron has - this distortion is not necessarily a bad thing.
Did you actually play one, or are you determining this from what you have heard on TH-cam. -and are you listening in gaming headphones or do you have studio reference monitors?
@@MrBothandNether Hi, Sorry for a slow reply. While writing the feedback I was just listening the video. (by using a studio speakers) However I have now also tried it, the shop demo unit (while using headphones) did distort when the volume was at setting 17 (and upwards)
Finally, What I noticed, is that Nick is using ready-made Init -patch locations at 4:00 onwards. Like I did. BUT, Loopop (in his video) is using a button combo to generate a Init patch and THAT does not distort! Sound ( at 8:25 in his video ) is very nice and pure - even FFT screen looks like it is supposed.
Brilliant review as always,... I do have to say though a few times you mentioned the fact it's digital not analogue and it sounded like you thought that was a bad thing... Its really not,
with this synth costing $750 one is forced to consider: Korg Wavestate $799 Hydrasynth Desktop $799 the argon's single filter type (I know it's multimode) is a surprising limitation considering it's digital.
good morning, I can receive your reflection on the two synths: argon8 korg wavestate about my musical genre trance and techno; I have watched the videos for some time and not having the opportunity to try them in person, I ask you who are experts. I would like to receive a greater impression to make my purchase decision. thanks
i dont know alot about either but i think the korg wavestate is a better choice - i also advise you to look at the korg minilogue xd - that will do amazing trance and techno - both genres i also make...
I have the Argon8 and I like it a lot. The shift function can be a bit cumbersome, but much better than menu diving. Also the envelopes are way too fast on its slowest setting. I like very slow evolving sounds, so it’s a shame and I can only hope Modal can adjust them in an update. One thing to mention though is that there’s more under the hood than what Nick showed. For example there’s more than one filter and you can adjust patch gain from the synth as well. The two knobs next to the LCD are push encoders and you can navigate lots of deeper settings by pushing and turning them. For example you push the left encoder to select the line on the LCD and then turn it to navigate. The right encoder is used to change the selected setting.
Also regarding the sequencer: they really really need to implement step sequencing. The real time business is usable but a chore compared to holding down a step and then press the key/chord you want.
Erik Lauri Kulo Thx for this info! Fyi the minilogue xd amp evelope attack is way to fast as well. Like you and I enjoy very slow evolving sounds. Couldnt accept it, though I tried ha.
Digital synths certainly have its place but damn do I wish some of the upcoming digital ones will be with VCF and VCA as a complement to give nicer character. Also, since synth manufacturers seems to like to put reverb into the synths, why not partner with someone who actually can make a good sounding reverb. Licensing should be a way to go. And then focus on what you do better than cheeky reverbs.
corner liston I think the reverb on the Argon8 sounds great! And not everything synth needs an analog filter. I think this one sounds amazing without it. And it allows them to more affordably add in various types of filters as well. Btw, Moog did the effects for the Moog One that way. They’re all Eventide I believe.
@@HotStrange I can't agree with you but that's just different taste : ) Absolutely right about analogue. Some should certainly not have it to bring a lower price tag. But some should, as I wrote, “some of the upcoming…” : ) Moog One has the reverbs from Eventide. Cleverly done. They know they can't do decent reverb by them selves so they went the clever route. Personally I never use internal reverb because of quality but it's good to have I guess. Done the right way ; )
corner liston The Argon8, Prologue, Minilogue XD, Elektron Model Samples, and Digitone, and of course Dreadbox synths, all have some very amazing built in reverbs. On the whole I definitely agree with you, though. The few I mentioned are outliers, and besides those few, I would tend to use outboard effects for everything else. Also, as you said, it all boils down to taste. I love a synth that’s not afraid to sound digital just as much as I love analog so it’s nice for me to see a 100% digital synth that sounds this good.
Internal reverb can sure have a place and some of the cheeky ones actually have a good cheeky sound. But just imagine how your synth would be with a couple of licensed algorithms from Valhalla.
Definitely not the same type of synth. The Wavestate is all about sequencing. This is more a "traditional" synth with wavetables. Pretty much impossible to compare as they don't share a lot of features really.
@@Detour1952 np =) What specifically are you planning to do? I think in many cases the Argon will have an edge over the Wavestate. Wave sequencing is pretty involved and harder to control. So where happy little incidents will be absolutely amazing, things might get frustrating and you may not easily dial in a more basic sound. In this case especially I would strongly suggest not basing your opinion just on reviews. Try to get hands on experience. Even if it's just a few minutes it will tell you more than any person can =)
AFAIK wavestate is about 6GB of internal samples, one sequences, mangles in many ways (or just plays in a very simple S+S way). Argon is about very short waves shapes, that are synthesized in many ways. Waldorf Microwave XTk (1998) is quite similar to Argon 8. Wavestate is very unique (in a hardware world, check SW manufacturer Output for very similar sounding plugins), but I am waiting very eagerly, what just released Nord Wave 2 can do!
I can't remember if I watch this before? But this is been the synth that has been in the back of my mind. I've avoided this video. And watch the other videos prior to coming back to this one. I got to say the bang-for-the-buck this is the synth. Kudos to the new hydrasyth firmware update. Long live DCOs!
Great review, looks like a great synth, so many good options around this price point now. Wait for all the plebs to complain about the use of reverb....
Nick, if you had to guess based on the feel... think there would be a way to hack the joystick and remove the springs? Pitch bend should snap back... weird to have “mod” snap too. Elektron AK did same thing and it was kinda silly.
Looks gorgeous, sounds sublime. Being retired, i just can't justify the purchase, -i keep looking at old pieces in my collection that i don't use anymore, but i just feel too attached to it all, - which i guess is pretty sad in reality, but isn't that what we're all trying to escape anyway? i hope the competition doesn't over-shadow the achievements *modal* have made here, - surprising how many wavetable systems have appeared recently...
Sounds good. Nice sized synth as well. Really like the sounds as well. Distortion is nice & dirty but doesn't sound nasty digital. Some lush sounds. Very nice character. Suddenly there are shit loads of options for this type of synth!! :-/
hi... i need a small poly with the form factor, usb in and sync out of the Argon 8, to use alongside a small eurorack setup.... i was looking at the minilogue xd since i was a fan of the original, but this is more unique.... my question is, and i know it's apples and oranges but... which is more fun and visceral to play with and make sounds on? anyone out there with experience playing both? thanks
Pretty awesome, but I have so many soft synths that do a great job with wavetable synthesis already. If I'm going to dish out money on hardware, I want analog.
Great synth, excellent demo....short keybed is fine for an analogue mono, but I don’t get it for a synth of this capability........ edit: apparently 61 key or tabletop now available! that makes much more sense!
Stunning machine and I love the final look. Been accused of being an analogue purist, but I think I’m a synthesis purist and just anti rompler. Want one!
I recently bought a Skulpt and it's really impressive for the size. Might have to sneak an Argon8 into the house now. Modal are kicking bottom at the moment.
Funny watching this, then, a few days later, Modal announce a 5-octave keyboard and a module!! You're a genius Nick, should rebrand yourself as a music business strategist! ;)
and why compare it to the minilogue xd? I want to know how you feel about it versus the WaveStation (similar price) or the HydraSynth module (also similar price)? Compare apples to some fruit closer to apples than oranges. Best wavetable/shaping sounds for the price.... go!
Pure sine shouldn't have "weight" *and* "mids," it should be pure and not have any harmonic overtones (to give it mids) right? Maybe the D/A or the monitor speakers in that room produce a couple harmonics, and it loses the low end a bit on cheaper digital synths? Or maybe they're not capable of putting out a "pure" sine wave from DSP at low frequencies and you hear harmonics from the stepping?
Licinius Varrus yes, especially for sub Osc on subtractive models. Of course there is use for pure sine in LFO, FM, and some modular-type sound design, but I haven’t checked my analog synths with an oscilloscope anyway. Imperfect sine is different than a stepped wave though, which could happen at lower frequencies, right? Sort of like an aliasing that you can’t quite hear but it ends up removing some low end? 16ft is big enough to require a full room to hear it/feel it anyway, right? Hard to tell over TH-cam
As much as I think this was a great move for Modal I'm still more impressed with HydraSynth. They (to me) took 2019... (and that was their first entry). I do like the UDO Super 6 also. Sorry Modal, normally I root for your releases.
Bothand Nether ..... Not at all. I got to play the synth in person and was blown way by the harmonic ‘warmth’....with FX off. Sound and build-wise much more impressive than the Hydra which I also demo’d. Can’t wait for the 61 key version: sold
@@Fluxwithit it's the flatness that I hear in the Hydra and the Wavestate that I have no need for. Considering the fact that the Hydra had to have a warmth update at all -sortof validates my impressions, (for me, anyways.) :P
Bothand Nether “has to have” no more like has enough power under the hood to have... again , it’s about versatility. Being able to have two whole characteristics Under one hood..
@@HotStrange ah ok. that is odd, but tbh as long as there is enough variation included then ill never run out of ideas. Ive been beta testing the udo super6 and provided some wavetables for them. Its nice to be able to upload mine to it, but theres only 16 slots and you cant move through the pulsewidth so its its different anyway.
My Aunt had an Argon years ago. It was a lot of work doing a Sunday roast because you constantly have to shift things between the different temperature ovens.
Made me chuckle, thx!
10:42 is a sound I've been looking for in a poly hardware synth.
I just ordered one, I love the beautiful stereo sounds it can produce and its not as limited as just a rompler synth. You can get really creative with this one, just like any normal analog synth.
Thank you Nick. I’ve been following Sonic State for about 20yrs now and you never talk any bullshit about gear.
👍🏻
I love the sound, the interface, and the look. I don't have room for any more keys. The fact that it now comes as a module is fantastic
Crowded market for reviews these days, but Nick never fails to give me "synth-face". Hall of famer for sure.
Patch at 3:25 mind blowing!!
It's funny that the video ID for this includes "MoOg" =D
woah :o the youtube algo has blessed us
Neat!
Where can you see the Video ID?
@@demonkoryu It's at the end of the URL (look for "v=" and a string of characters)
Wow, good catch!
13:37 is a dead ringer for the pad/ string sound used in Father Figure
Why does this sound so good!? I guess Im going to have to get one.
Great Review, getting one for sure.
Would love to see what kind of patches you could make with this guy.
@@HotStrange We shall see when I get one :)
@@GEOSynths 61 key version and module/rack just got announced if you've not seen
Get the one with the bigger 61 key keyboard if you haven't already seen it, it was announced today - literally tens of pounds more not hundreds....
Yeah, I am seriously tempted too and they aren't very expensive in Australia.
I’m glad they went with the charcoal grey faceplate... wasn’t feeling the dull silver finish 👎🏿
Yeah, looks great.
Look at this simple, yet beautiful UI, KORG!
Simple, yet beautiful hardware design.
plans to make a bigger version and a module? yep, announced the 8x and 8m a few hours ago, the 8x is £649 for 61 keys, that's unbelievably compelling.
If I did't already bought one I'd buy it on the basis of this vid, great, thanks for the explore
So far I've really enjoyed mine. Sounds great, easy to use, and invites exploration. I was surprised with the presence of the bottom end. The best I've heard in digital.
One complaint is it's not multitimberal
warmth in digital is a matter of programming, as in what the end-user does
@@Jason75913 And filter quality/style, and good math with no aliasing, and selection of oscillator waveforms, and D/A conversion and output stage voicing, which relates to the internal clocking, power supply, etc.
But yeah, along with all that, you're absolutely right. ;)
@@Jason75913 IDK, ifis not there in the beginning, it's probably not there.
Not a fan of the joystick an reliance on the shift button but an 8 voice synth for this cheap is pretty sweet, not to mention being unapologetically digital. Everyone is scared to do this nowadays but not modal.
Yes, I dont like a modulation that springs back. it's so easy to accidenatally wobble it holding it in place on a slow build track
That play out patch was nice. Machine sounds good, looks nice too.
I’m certainly excited about this one! The sound puts it in 1st place for me. It may not have as much modulation as other synths of a similar nature but, for me, the the sound is perfect.
Great news ! The Argon8 will come out in 3 versions ! The 8, 8x (61 keys) and a 8m for a lovely 3u rackmount unit !
Funny how Nick mentioned that and literally the same day, after this was released, Modal announced the bigger version and the module.
I may go for the 8m.
£649 apparently for the 5 octaves version! www.musicmatter.co.uk/modal-argon8x
Fancy the M - its a really small size (and Im tight for space) - HOWEVER, looking at the control panel for both - While the M sees to have push encoders (rather than separate buttons) for some functions (to save space) - I dont see any of the markings for the sequencer.... the Arp yes but not the sequencer. Theres no sequence button, and no animation graphics.... That would rule out the module version for me unfortunately, and the keyboard one wont fit my space. I have EMailed Model about this to confirm/clarify things but Im not hopefull.
It’s in its specifications on their web so I guess you are lucky as it indeed looks like it’s there;)
Love the look of this.
18:50 just about a Solina, Eminent, SH-3a
4:51 How can a digital sin wave have both mid and low end? A sin wave is only one harmonic.
Thanks for the review.
Synth Shoot I thought long and hard about your comment. Also listened to the video over and over, as well as checked out some sine wave tests on TH-cam. I do believe that sine waves are theoretically just fundamental tones however when being pushed through a speaker the waves begin to move air which is a little chaotic and the low end sine waves create harmonics that are perceivable. Once I heard sine waves in the mid range however I couldn’t perceive any depth or overtones. I’d imagine the lower end waves have the ability to rattle other objects and create overtones out of them indirectly. The point you bring up is so interesting.
Aliasing?
Frequency is a thing! Sine waves are merely "smooth" periodic waves (not cusps or discontinuity). Speed the frequency of the wave and get high pitch sounds. Slow the frequency and you get low pitch sounds
I don't quite understand any manufacturer which brings out a new synth without looping envelopes. It sounds like such an easy feature to include, and it's so useful.
Hilariously, they added a patch called N.Batt pad. They did take notice.
Will I be able to make it sound that good?
yeah.....
I feel like Modal watched this video just before choosing their product line and Firmware updates
I agree 1000%
best reviewer ever...great sounds...best review to hear the true potential of this synth and the way ot can sound
Just got one. Great fun. well built. nice keyboard.
I’m really smitten with this synth. Mine should be here by the end of the week and it’s probably the most excited I’ve been for a new synth in a long time. It sounds and looks excellent and has a ton of really cool features that have all been implemented really well. It reminds of the Minilogue in this way. Maybe not the MOST feature full synth, it it’s all so fully realized that the whole package is just amazing.
Haut Strange Got mine Saturday I love it
Smooth Oscillator Awesome to hear! I was told there was one shipment ahead of me and I’ll be on the next one which should be getting to them this Friday or next Monday/Tuesday. Glad you’re liking yours. It really seems super characterful and fun to play.
@@HotStrange
Did you get this, the module, or the 61 key version... Either way,,, NICE....
Tommy G there’s only this version. The other 2 were versions Nick was wishing they would release.
@@HotStrange
O.k. I saw other's comments saying desk top version and 61 key version.. Appreciate your reply... Enjoy your newest acquisition.
Your a genius. I'm buying one from PMT in Portsmouth. Your the best reviewer
I think this is the best demo video I've seen of this, well done!
This synth proves a great deal can be accomplished and programmed without having to be analog, or crazy expensive.
Shame Waldorf never updated the XTk to be something like this, but Modal filled in the void here.
Eh, cant imagine this ever comparing to a Waldorf.
@@vforvillain77 He's comparing this model to a specific Waldorf model, not Waldorf itself or the entire Waldorf line ovef decades. That said, specifics would lend more weight to the argument.
Someone wrote: "Reginald Braithewaite: Waldorf means *any* Waldorf." Let's leave aside the fact that the poster spoke ***only of the Waldorf XTk***, which is why I responded.
The greatest synth companies in the world make missteps because that's part of the exploration that goes into creating new devices. If they didn't, we'd have nothing but copycat synths. The PPG was one of the first synths I ever used on sessions and I hope the Quantum will be one of the next. But Waldorf's R&D are not Zeus's pantheon! Besides, Zeus made tons of mistakes! Loving instruments by Waldorf doesn't have to mean defending everything they do or refusing to compare the features of a Waldorf with those of another company's synth. Whether the Phil's comparison of features and sound is *accurate* is another question! I would say not, but I'd have to hear both instruments side by side to know.
@@reginaldbraithewaite5833 that was a hell of a lot of pointless yapping. Ouch. Theres a reason I deleted my comment by the way. And I don't really care about your thoughts or anything you're saying one way or another
@@vforvillain77 How polite of you to suggest, FeedMeSeymour. Happy to make your acquaintance, too.
But let's be clear: You deleted your comment because you realized it showed you misread the OP.
If I were like you, I'd call your comment "brainless yapping," but that's your mode, not mine. Everyone makes mistakes. And that's why I didn't use your name, BTW: So you wouldn't have to look foolish.
I'm wondering if there's some lock function on the joystick in regards to the effects, i.e. the downpull. Seems like that would be good as you can do that with a traditional mod wheel
If I'm not wrong you can have it clicking the button "hold" while keeping the joystick in the position that you want
@@joefalchetto94 correct
4:30 onwards you talk about strange extra weight on a sine-wave you're not normally hearing. Well, thats how sine wave is not supposed to be. The extra "weight" is harmonics pure sine does not have - this thing plays too loud and distorts the output stage and even the pure sine wave sounds like playing through a overdrive pedal.
Sounds pretty nice, though, similar to sound Elektron has - this distortion is not necessarily a bad thing.
Did you actually play one, or are you determining this from what you have heard on TH-cam.
-and are you listening in gaming headphones or do you have studio reference monitors?
@@MrBothandNether Hi, Sorry for a slow reply. While writing the feedback I was just listening the video. (by using a studio speakers)
However I have now also tried it, the shop demo unit (while using headphones) did distort when the volume was at setting 17 (and upwards)
Finally, What I noticed, is that Nick is using ready-made Init -patch locations at 4:00 onwards. Like I did. BUT, Loopop (in his video) is using a button combo to generate a Init patch and THAT does not distort! Sound ( at 8:25 in his video ) is very nice and pure - even FFT screen looks like it is supposed.
Brilliant review as always,... I do have to say though a few times you mentioned the fact it's digital not analogue and it sounded like you thought that was a bad thing... Its really not,
3:25 Instant Huerco S. vibes!!
yesss
haha touché
Bravo
I really want one, but have to wait till march ;/
@5:53 - That 'triangle wave' is a saw wave.
Just bought it... every time you like something it costs me 💰
What’s the verdict señor?
The Argon x8 is a monster. I love it. This and the Deepmind 12 are something else.
This has 4 oscillators pre voice.
Totally dig the sound of this. Not sure about the interface though, and the display font size seems really small...
True, but OLEDs are much easier to read than LCDs with a smaller font. Hopefully it won't be an issue in person.
Thank you nick for acknoledging how good this synth sounds as some nerds were making fun when I say the same
with this synth costing $750 one is forced to consider:
Korg Wavestate $799
Hydrasynth Desktop $799
the argon's single filter type (I know it's multimode) is a surprising limitation considering it's digital.
Not too mention (if we are considering wavetable hardware synths):
microfreak $299
minilogue XD (has a wavetable oscillator)$649
I’m not considering anything. Getting all 3 😂😂😂
Wavestate isn't wavetables, unless you consider the Neutron and other such synths that can blend their waveforms wavetable synths as well
@@Maulleygxxx THAT'S THE SPIRIT!
Licinius Varrus Wavestate can do wavetable.. go and learn more about Wavesequencing before stating such things
good morning, I can receive your reflection on the two synths:
argon8
korg wavestate
about my musical genre trance and techno;
I have watched the videos for some time and not having the opportunity to try them in person, I ask you who are experts.
I would like to receive a greater impression to make my purchase decision.
thanks
i dont know alot about either but i think the korg wavestate is a better choice - i also advise you to look at the korg minilogue xd - that will do amazing trance and techno - both genres i also make...
Superb presentation, Nick. Cheers!
I have the Argon8 and I like it a lot. The shift function can be a bit cumbersome, but much better than menu diving. Also the envelopes are way too fast on its slowest setting. I like very slow evolving sounds, so it’s a shame and I can only hope Modal can adjust them in an update. One thing to mention though is that there’s more under the hood than what Nick showed. For example there’s more than one filter and you can adjust patch gain from the synth as well. The two knobs next to the LCD are push encoders and you can navigate lots of deeper settings by pushing and turning them. For example you push the left encoder to select the line on the LCD and then turn it to navigate. The right encoder is used to change the selected setting.
Also regarding the sequencer: they really really need to implement step sequencing. The real time business is usable but a chore compared to holding down a step and then press the key/chord you want.
Erik Lauri Kulo Thx for this info! Fyi the minilogue xd amp evelope attack is way to fast as well. Like you and I enjoy very slow evolving sounds. Couldnt accept it, though I tried ha.
Excellent synth Excellent program
Digital synths certainly have its place but damn do I wish some of the upcoming digital ones will be with VCF and VCA as a complement to give nicer character.
Also, since synth manufacturers seems to like to put reverb into the synths, why not partner with someone who actually can make a good sounding reverb. Licensing should be a way to go. And then focus on what you do better than cheeky reverbs.
corner liston I think the reverb on the Argon8 sounds great! And not everything synth needs an analog filter. I think this one sounds amazing without it. And it allows them to more affordably add in various types of filters as well.
Btw, Moog did the effects for the Moog One that way. They’re all Eventide I believe.
@@HotStrange I can't agree with you but that's just different taste : )
Absolutely right about analogue. Some should certainly not have it to bring a lower price tag. But some should, as I wrote, “some of the upcoming…” : )
Moog One has the reverbs from Eventide. Cleverly done.
They know they can't do decent reverb by them selves so they went the clever route.
Personally I never use internal reverb because of quality but it's good to have I guess. Done the right way ; )
corner liston The Argon8, Prologue, Minilogue XD, Elektron Model Samples, and Digitone, and of course Dreadbox synths, all have some very amazing built in reverbs. On the whole I definitely agree with you, though. The few I mentioned are outliers, and besides those few, I would tend to use outboard effects for everything else.
Also, as you said, it all boils down to taste. I love a synth that’s not afraid to sound digital just as much as I love analog so it’s nice for me to see a 100% digital synth that sounds this good.
Internal reverb can sure have a place and some of the cheeky ones actually have a good cheeky sound. But just imagine how your synth would be with a couple of licensed algorithms from Valhalla.
@@HotStrange Your definition of "amazing reverbs" is clearly different than mine.
I love this video, I would really like to see Argon 8 vs Wavestate!
Definitely not the same type of synth. The Wavestate is all about sequencing. This is more a "traditional" synth with wavetables. Pretty much impossible to compare as they don't share a lot of features really.
@@SyntheticFuture Thanks for clarifying that, I was on the fence about which one would be best for my projects.
@@Detour1952 np =) What specifically are you planning to do? I think in many cases the Argon will have an edge over the Wavestate. Wave sequencing is pretty involved and harder to control. So where happy little incidents will be absolutely amazing, things might get frustrating and you may not easily dial in a more basic sound. In this case especially I would strongly suggest not basing your opinion just on reviews. Try to get hands on experience. Even if it's just a few minutes it will tell you more than any person can =)
AFAIK wavestate is about 6GB of internal samples, one sequences, mangles in many ways (or just plays in a very simple S+S way).
Argon is about very short waves shapes, that are synthesized in many ways.
Waldorf Microwave XTk (1998) is quite similar to Argon 8.
Wavestate is very unique (in a hardware world, check SW manufacturer Output for very similar sounding plugins), but I am waiting very eagerly, what just released Nord Wave 2 can do!
@@SyntheticFuture How does this Argon compare to the Sledge 2.0? I'm not sure which to get and unable to demo them.
Thank you nick for another great vid!
I can't remember if I watch this before? But this is been the synth that has been in the back of my mind. I've avoided this video. And watch the other videos prior to coming back to this one. I got to say the bang-for-the-buck this is the synth. Kudos to the new hydrasyth firmware update. Long live DCOs!
Great review, looks like a great synth, so many good options around this price point now.
Wait for all the plebs to complain about the use of reverb....
Mr Batt squeezed some good sounds out of this
As he usually does ;)
very dope synth mine arrived last week ;)
Was not expecting to like this as am not completely sold on the Hydrasynth and other similar synths.. however this sounded beautiful!
I like it and also the Hydra. Just wondering what you concider simular beacuse i'm looking for a synth in that sound range at the moment.
This one or the ASM Hydrasynth? Decisions...decisions.
Strangely enough my thoughts exactly
@@mati.mati.flandepollo I bought the Hydra. :)
How does this compare in wave shaping and sound quality with the Korg Wavestate? The price point on these are nearly the same around: $700.00.
5oct version incoming
I wonder how are sounding the formants. I can't find demo with human voice pads (ahhhh oooohhh...)
Nick, if you had to guess based on the feel... think there would be a way to hack the joystick and remove the springs? Pitch bend should snap back... weird to have “mod” snap too. Elektron AK did same thing and it was kinda silly.
Can you use argon 8 for midi to, like serum to make your own melodys?
Does this have anything in common with the 008, i.e. the sound sources etc.?
Looks gorgeous, sounds sublime. Being retired, i just can't justify the purchase, -i keep looking at old pieces in my collection that i don't use anymore, but i just feel too attached to it all, - which i guess is pretty sad in reality, but isn't that what we're all trying to escape anyway?
i hope the competition doesn't over-shadow the achievements *modal* have made here, - surprising how many wavetable systems have appeared recently...
Sounds good. Nice sized synth as well. Really like the sounds as well. Distortion is nice & dirty but doesn't sound nasty digital. Some lush sounds. Very nice character. Suddenly there are shit loads of options for this type of synth!! :-/
hi... i need a small poly with the form factor, usb in and sync out of the Argon 8, to use alongside a small eurorack setup.... i was looking at the minilogue xd since i was a fan of the original, but this is more unique.... my question is, and i know it's apples and oranges but... which is more fun and visceral to play with and make sounds on? anyone out there with experience playing both? thanks
Pretty awesome, but I have so many soft synths that do a great job with wavetable synthesis already. If I'm going to dish out money on hardware, I want analog.
Great synth, excellent demo....short keybed is fine for an analogue mono, but I don’t get it for a synth of this capability........ edit: apparently 61 key or tabletop now available! that makes much more sense!
Please modal, make a module version!
The modular version is the Argon 8M.
They did! Argon 8m
@@fray3dendsofsanity wow thanks !
Next time show us the app please!
Stunning machine and I love the final look. Been accused of being an analogue purist, but I think I’m a synthesis purist and just anti rompler. Want one!
Knobs are good, too. As well as modulation options.
Nearly said virtual analog there.. nearly! It defo 100% ain't that!
Are you coming to Cali to NAMM show 2020 Nick?
Nah I don’t think 🤔 so
I recently bought a Skulpt and it's really impressive for the size. Might have to sneak an Argon8 into the house now. Modal are kicking bottom at the moment.
Great reviews
is that an actual monitor or a green screen? there was a delay that you wouldn't expect from a camera... i say monitor for some reason.
Fantastic. What an amazing Synth. Great review yet again.
Funny watching this, then, a few days later, Modal announce a 5-octave keyboard and a module!! You're a genius Nick, should rebrand yourself as a music business strategist! ;)
Muy bien very good otro sinter muy bueno..Bien animo con todas las cosas y vayamos con alegrias...
Can someone confirm that 8x version has aftertouch mono or polyphonic? Also what type of keyboard? Fatar?
Yes aftertouch but mono like the 8 I would think
This is a fantastic overview thank you
UK company, right?
Unapologetically digital❗️
Did you know what they were up to or are you just a prophet of synthesis? I need one! :)
There's a rack version. Awesome! Not enough of that around these days. Sounds great, too :)
Looks good and sounds good 👌
Okay, this I like.
Man I love this but Hydra too! I’m sooo confused!!! Hahahaha!!! Help!!!
and why compare it to the minilogue xd? I want to know how you feel about it versus the WaveStation (similar price) or the HydraSynth module (also similar price)? Compare apples to some fruit closer to apples than oranges. Best wavetable/shaping sounds for the price.... go!
I don't think we'd had the wave state in when this was reviewed
Wow that was quick. They've announced module and 61 key versions.
That desk unit,Argon8M is great for in my rack.
Pure sine shouldn't have "weight" *and* "mids," it should be pure and not have any harmonic overtones (to give it mids) right? Maybe the D/A or the monitor speakers in that room produce a couple harmonics, and it loses the low end a bit on cheaper digital synths? Or maybe they're not capable of putting out a "pure" sine wave from DSP at low frequencies and you hear harmonics from the stepping?
I wouldn't want pure sines, DSPs are often programmed for "musical" sines, it's entirely intentional
Licinius Varrus yes, especially for sub Osc on subtractive models. Of course there is use for pure sine in LFO, FM, and some modular-type sound design, but I haven’t checked my analog synths with an oscilloscope anyway. Imperfect sine is different than a stepped wave though, which could happen at lower frequencies, right? Sort of like an aliasing that you can’t quite hear but it ends up removing some low end? 16ft is big enough to require a full room to hear it/feel it anyway, right? Hard to tell over TH-cam
As much as I think this was a great move for Modal I'm still more impressed with HydraSynth. They (to me) took 2019... (and that was their first entry). I do like the UDO Super 6 also. Sorry Modal, normally I root for your releases.
betting this synth won't need a "warmth" update
Bothand Nether ..... Not at all. I got to play the synth in person and was blown way by the harmonic ‘warmth’....with FX off. Sound and build-wise much more impressive than the Hydra which I also demo’d. Can’t wait for the 61 key version: sold
Versatility... such a horrible thing to have? Lol
@@Fluxwithit it's the flatness that I hear in the Hydra and the Wavestate that I have no need for.
Considering the fact that the Hydra had to have a warmth update at all
-sortof validates my impressions, (for me, anyways.)
:P
Bothand Nether never heard anyone play a hydrasynth and react that way... but the internet is a big place lol.
Bothand Nether “has to have” no more like has enough power under the hood to have... again , it’s about versatility. Being able to have two whole characteristics Under one hood..
For those hoping for Module or 61-key versions - your prayers have been answered it appears...
www.modalelectronics.com/argon8/
No user wavetable import is such a shame and disapointment, I would have bought this for sure if it had it
could be added in the future maybe?
Cellardore Productions Modal all but confirmed they would not be adding this feature in the future.
Aaron Foltz can you link please? Really interested in this!
@@HotStrange ah ok. that is odd, but tbh as long as there is enough variation included then ill never run out of ideas.
Ive been beta testing the udo super6 and provided some wavetables for them. Its nice to be able to upload mine to it, but theres only 16 slots and you cant move through the pulsewidth so its its different anyway.
Cellardore Productions the Super6 sounds and looks incredible. Awesome you get to test it. How is it?
First review of 2020.. before the world collapsed!
is the name meant to spell out ArgonAught?
Wouldn't that be the Argo0?
@@Wagoo Thats the ArgoNil :O)
"Argonate"?
Argonight
Well, whatever it is cryptically, when they Argon, they all will be Argon....
This is the company to watch
glad they made a rack version