If Qui-Gon had lived, Anakin could have talked to him about his struggles with fear and anxiety. Obi-Wan just said, "Stop feeling like that" Never tell somebody how they should feel.
You would think ones that were more compassionate like Shaak Ti And Plo Koon would of been there for Anakin more early on and would of been like the parental figure or figures he needed since His Mom And Qui Gon were not around yeah.
Anakin Skywalker might be a sore loser, but he didn't deserve to be treated like a piece of shit by the Jedi Council. Instead, they should've supported Skywalker and all he went through. Jinn was the one who truly helped him.
He was treated like that from the moment he arrived, and it never stopped once in the 13 years he was with the Order, is it any wonder he eventually turned on them.
Well they thought that Qui-Gon would be able to balance them and not allow them to stray far from their ways but Qui-Gon knew they were at that point and didn’t even realize it so he rightfully declined so that hopefully they would look into the mirror.
@@Vietmac1993 Agreed. Qui-Gon's viewpoint of being a Jedi is what most of the Jedi High Council might've considered blasphemy. They were all hypocrites in their own rights as if they wanted to say "Don't you dare presume to tell us what is right and wrong!" as if they all believed they were morally superior akin to how most of the Sith were.
They did the worst possible thing to an extremely talented student. Instead of suppressing his skills, they should have allowed him to maximize his skills and have him trained by the most powerful Jedi in order to continue pushing his limits Every basic education on how to teach tells you that what the Jedi did only creates problems as talented students are not challenged and, therefore, start causing trouble. Mace and Yoda should have been training him directly from the start. You can't expect people at the end of any bell curve to operate like the middle. At the top of any game you play by different rules
The problem is Anakin was too rash, and seemed to want to grow stronger. Made some very bad decisions. My guess is the council wanted to suppress Anakin to learn humility, humbleness, and the jedi code. The problem is too many things conflicted. Palpatine gave Anakin what he wanted. Put him on the front lines of the most significant battles to train him.
Just as a stats guy I feel an impulse to point out that these things don’t always follow bell curves. There are numerous distributions, some skewed one way or another, and some symmetrical but not a bell curve. Also, if you took all the people at the ends of such curves, and then put them on another curve showing the probability that they can succeed while being treated the same way as people from the middle of the original curve, I think you might find some outliers there as well, meaning there might be a number of outliers (no matter how small) that can succeed under such conditions as you outlined. That all being said, I agree with your general point, especially with respect to Anakin. But I just like talking about stats lol
How did the Jedi suppress Anakin now I'm by no means educated in teaching so forgive me if I say anything stupid lol but Anakin started from the bottom already below others his age and yes he was powerful in the force which may have given him a head start on someone else starting at the bottom but there was no way to know if he was going to be a talented student compared to just his strength in the force giving him a head start in his abilities now if your talking about power and fighting strength which is what it sounds like your implying some people believe Anakin was already above the likes of Obi-Wan mace and even Yoda in power and lightsaber dueling in which case they are not suppressing Anakin but simply reached the limit of what they can teach him but if you believe he hasn't passed Yoda mace and Obi-Wan then there's no need to advance his training when he hasn't advanced past his current teachers but that's talking power and lightsaber dueling now in every other aspect I'd argue Anakin was "operating like the middle" as you put it Anakin was super talented and excelled especially in lightsaber dueling which i brought up earlier but what do I know like I said I'm not educated in teaching 🤷♂️
Anakin definitely had his talents but he also had some level of arrogance that needed to be kept in check. Anakin's biggest weakness was emotional control. The Jedi Order were heavily against the idea of emotional attachment. If someone like Plo Koon was Anakin's master he would have had better emotional control.
@@Vietmac1993 perhaps with a different master Anakin's emotions and arrogants may have been under better control but maybe not some people just can't be influenced by others like that no matter who tries to help but you are probably right I mean didn't Dave say qui gon was the master Anakin needed or something like that so what do I know lol also just spitballing here something I thought while reading your comment how do you suppose mace would go as Anakin's master he has an aura of confidence/arrogance (it's a fine line) and he has his own darkness under control so he might have been able to help Anakin given they are kinda similar
Does anyone find it pretty telling that while chastising a child for being afraid in a room full of Jedi, the council then proceeded to always treat Anakin with suspicion and fear? To me, there reluctance to train him would have led to their downfall if it had led to him not being trained anyway. Qui-Gon found him, tons of Jedi knew he was the chosen one, the Sith were always going to find out about him and he'd have been so easily led to the darkside had the Jedi been allowed to reject him. The irony being that if Anakin had been trained during Luke's Jedi reformation in legends, he'd have been fine. Compassion for and faith in those who give themselves to the light, is what keeps them there. I guess we need to ask ourselves the question; Who's fear led Anakin to the Darkside? His own, or the Jedi high councils? I can't help but feel like if Qui-Gon had survived or had Yoda and the other council members had more faith in Anakin, he may have felt inclined to share his vision of Padmes death with another Jedi. Not only that, but the Jedi were also completely missing an opportunity in Anakin, with his strength in the force, had they been able to develop more of an interest and appreciation within Anakin for the finer mysteries of the force, his mastery of force healing could have been something spectacular.
I’m sorry but in the thousand years the Jedi had existed in their present time, they never had a “special case” like Anakin? I find that had to believe. They should have had specific training to people with Force sensitivity and who already had developed attachments.
I always found it very ironic that in legends, Mace Windu brought Rahm Kota into the Jedi Order, who was WAY OLDER than Anakin was. Like its ok to accept an 18 year old Kota, who is basically an adult at that point but not a 9 year old? Who was supposed to be the Chosen One by the way! Once again, it just shows a double standard within the Jedi Order. They sure like to have their cake and eat it too. And they wonder why so many turn to the dark side lol.
All the jedi were already giving themselves to the dark side. They just didn't know it for themselves as the hypocrites they were. Something Palpatine had preyed upon for the Republic to transform into the Empire.
Managing anikin was the biggest mistake the Jedi could’ve made. They tried to force him to bend to their ideals and didn’t really try to make a compromise. Heck they didn’t even save his mom who was a slave and just left her to the dust. How do you think that affects someone to work with a group of people who never helped your mom and left her.
He should've been more open and honest with brother Ben. Would've made a world of difference in regards to both. Oh heck, they both should've left. Ben to Satine and Ani to Padme. Let galaxy figure itself out.
The dogma of The Jedi is The Jedi Code, their moral constitution. -Their code didn't go down the wrong path" The Jedi themselves deviated from it -because with the Return Of The Sith -and the arrival of young Anakin Skywalker" The Jedi Council are dealing with prophecy -to aid them in their time of uncertainty. The Jedi Code, or dogma, is about ethics, -not prophecy. Their Code can't guide them in prophecy ! The Jedi Council are concerned about "WHAT" -prophecy will reveal concerning the FATE of The Order !🌈🤓
Windu has shown respect and care for Anakin at times. He just doesn't show it often. And if Palpatine had died at the Chancellor's building, he might have made Anakin a Jedi Master on the spot. The main issue is how the Jedi were structured in the first place. One of them even condemning the practices of taking young children to become Jedi, separated from their parents, and forcing them to grow up without family or attachments. Windu in particular likely didn't see anything wrong with the system, and his displayed behavior towards Anakin was a symptom of that. Not trying to defend it. Just trying to add context.
@MaraJadeSkywalker. True, but the RoTS novel is legends, and Mace and Anakins relationship was a lot more cordial compared to canon. In canon, it pushes the narrative of the jedi council being arrogant and prone to poor decision making without reason, Windus character especially was butchered unfortunately
@@animeman8203unfortunately there are idiots that blame everything on anything but Anakin and make excuses for him at every turn and refuse to acknowledge that Anakin, the Jedi and Palpatine were all the problem in the first place
@@michaelthomas2032 More like it was the Jedi and Palpatine that were the problems. All of Anakin's problems stem from them. The Jedi were supposed to teach him yet failed to realize that he wasn't ordinary, and he also had a dark past that none of the other's had, and they refused to give him any counseling. For the first 5 years he had exactly 0 friend's and it took Obi Wan that long to realize that. Not to mention he was constantly looked down upon and mocked by the other's and no one did anything. Palpatine was basically the only one who encouraged him and seemed to appreciate him and we know how Palpatine truly was.
“People are afraid of what they don’t understand.”-Jonathan and Martha Kent
The Council should of listen to their own advice "Fear breate more fear", "Fear lead to distrust"
If Qui-Gon had lived, Anakin could have talked to him about his struggles with fear and anxiety. Obi-Wan just said, "Stop feeling like that" Never tell somebody how they should feel.
Anakin deserved better
Yes. Cut in half by his 'friend/brother' left to die in excruciating pain.
At least Palpatine took care of him😅
Damn, I wish Qui-Gon lived
Anyone of us wishes that.
And I'm glad I fifn't wqtch the sequels
We ALL do.
You would think ones that were more compassionate like Shaak Ti And Plo Koon would of been there for Anakin more early on and would of been like the parental figure or figures he needed since His Mom And Qui Gon were not around yeah.
Or Vokara Che
The Jedi council should have had Anakin trained different from other Jedis
Anakin Skywalker might be a sore loser, but he didn't deserve to be treated like a piece of shit by the Jedi Council. Instead, they should've supported Skywalker and all he went through. Jinn was the one who truly helped him.
He was treated like that from the moment he arrived, and it never stopped once in the 13 years he was with the Order, is it any wonder he eventually turned on them.
@animeman8203 yet the council had no trouble sending him and Obi-Wan to the missions that nobody else could succeed.
You must be unintelligent if you think he’s a sore loser smh.
How is blud a sore loser 😂
He is not a sore loser! Are you out of your mind?!
I'm surprised that the Jedi council offered Qui Gon a seat on the council he was so defiant and he would disobey them. And take Anakin as a padawan
Well they thought that Qui-Gon would be able to balance them and not allow them to stray far from their ways but Qui-Gon knew they were at that point and didn’t even realize it so he rightfully declined so that hopefully they would look into the mirror.
Qui Gon despised politics like his master Count Dooku. Both of them were very critical of the Jedi Order and they were never taken seriously.
@@Vietmac1993 with Qui Gon being critical of the jedi I'm surprised he didn't turn on the jedi & join the dark side like Dooko
@@theogmaster8567 Qui Gon was far more in tune with the force than anyone plus Qui Gon actually kept Dooku from going to the dark side before.
@@Vietmac1993 Agreed. Qui-Gon's viewpoint of being a Jedi is what most of the Jedi High Council might've considered blasphemy. They were all hypocrites in their own rights as if they wanted to say "Don't you dare presume to tell us what is right and wrong!" as if they all believed they were morally superior akin to how most of the Sith were.
Retney back with the end explanations 🔥💯
Anakin derserved love :(
“Take a seat, young Skywalker”
Sip
They did the worst possible thing to an extremely talented student. Instead of suppressing his skills, they should have allowed him to maximize his skills and have him trained by the most powerful Jedi in order to continue pushing his limits
Every basic education on how to teach tells you that what the Jedi did only creates problems as talented students are not challenged and, therefore, start causing trouble.
Mace and Yoda should have been training him directly from the start.
You can't expect people at the end of any bell curve to operate like the middle. At the top of any game you play by different rules
The problem is Anakin was too rash, and seemed to want to grow stronger. Made some very bad decisions. My guess is the council wanted to suppress Anakin to learn humility, humbleness, and the jedi code. The problem is too many things conflicted. Palpatine gave Anakin what he wanted. Put him on the front lines of the most significant battles to train him.
Just as a stats guy I feel an impulse to point out that these things don’t always follow bell curves. There are numerous distributions, some skewed one way or another, and some symmetrical but not a bell curve.
Also, if you took all the people at the ends of such curves, and then put them on another curve showing the probability that they can succeed while being treated the same way as people from the middle of the original curve, I think you might find some outliers there as well, meaning there might be a number of outliers (no matter how small) that can succeed under such conditions as you outlined.
That all being said, I agree with your general point, especially with respect to Anakin. But I just like talking about stats lol
How did the Jedi suppress Anakin now I'm by no means educated in teaching so forgive me if I say anything stupid lol but Anakin started from the bottom already below others his age and yes he was powerful in the force which may have given him a head start on someone else starting at the bottom but there was no way to know if he was going to be a talented student compared to just his strength in the force giving him a head start in his abilities now if your talking about power and fighting strength which is what it sounds like your implying some people believe Anakin was already above the likes of Obi-Wan mace and even Yoda in power and lightsaber dueling in which case they are not suppressing Anakin but simply reached the limit of what they can teach him but if you believe he hasn't passed Yoda mace and Obi-Wan then there's no need to advance his training when he hasn't advanced past his current teachers but that's talking power and lightsaber dueling now in every other aspect I'd argue Anakin was "operating like the middle" as you put it Anakin was super talented and excelled especially in lightsaber dueling which i brought up earlier but what do I know like I said I'm not educated in teaching 🤷♂️
Anakin definitely had his talents but he also had some level of arrogance that needed to be kept in check. Anakin's biggest weakness was emotional control. The Jedi Order were heavily against the idea of emotional attachment. If someone like Plo Koon was Anakin's master he would have had better emotional control.
@@Vietmac1993 perhaps with a different master Anakin's emotions and arrogants may have been under better control but maybe not some people just can't be influenced by others like that no matter who tries to help but you are probably right I mean didn't Dave say qui gon was the master Anakin needed or something like that so what do I know lol also just spitballing here something I thought while reading your comment how do you suppose mace would go as Anakin's master he has an aura of confidence/arrogance (it's a fine line) and he has his own darkness under control so he might have been able to help Anakin given they are kinda similar
I feel like if Anakin existed during the old Republic, he would have easily gained the respect he deserved
Does anyone find it pretty telling that while chastising a child for being afraid in a room full of Jedi, the council then proceeded to always treat Anakin with suspicion and fear?
To me, there reluctance to train him would have led to their downfall if it had led to him not being trained anyway. Qui-Gon found him, tons of Jedi knew he was the chosen one, the Sith were always going to find out about him and he'd have been so easily led to the darkside had the Jedi been allowed to reject him.
The irony being that if Anakin had been trained during Luke's Jedi reformation in legends, he'd have been fine. Compassion for and faith in those who give themselves to the light, is what keeps them there.
I guess we need to ask ourselves the question; Who's fear led Anakin to the Darkside? His own, or the Jedi high councils? I can't help but feel like if Qui-Gon had survived or had Yoda and the other council members had more faith in Anakin, he may have felt inclined to share his vision of Padmes death with another Jedi.
Not only that, but the Jedi were also completely missing an opportunity in Anakin, with his strength in the force, had they been able to develop more of an interest and appreciation within Anakin for the finer mysteries of the force, his mastery of force healing could have been something spectacular.
Qui Gonn was possibly the best Jedi Master i.e. Teacher alongside Yoda
I love your videos and I really need to buy this book! Thanks as always for another awesome video!
They didn’t like him out of jealousy…jealousy toward his powerfulness:)
So many anakin lovers and defenders - but the guy never took responsibility for his own actions.
Now we need the Legends version
How's my new fully-edified allies in the Senate?
Can you imagine if Qui-Gon and Akain had had traveled beyond their Galaxy to the planet Galifery. To meet the time lord Rasslion. To ease Akain's mind
I’m sorry but in the thousand years the Jedi had existed in their present time, they never had a “special case” like Anakin? I find that had to believe. They should have had specific training to people with Force sensitivity and who already had developed attachments.
I always found it very ironic that in legends, Mace Windu brought Rahm Kota into the Jedi Order, who was WAY OLDER than Anakin was.
Like its ok to accept an 18 year old Kota, who is basically an adult at that point but not a 9 year old? Who was supposed to be the Chosen One by the way!
Once again, it just shows a double standard within the Jedi Order. They sure like to have their cake and eat it too. And they wonder why so many turn to the dark side lol.
The biggest reason is because Kota was from Aalderan instead of Tatoonie
They never liked him cause they saw his negative bad feelings inside him were would lead to his fall on the dark side
I REALLY need to reread this book.
Can you do an in-depth video on why Darth Vader died.
All the jedi were already giving themselves to the dark side. They just didn't know it for themselves as the hypocrites they were. Something Palpatine had preyed upon for the Republic to transform into the Empire.
Let's be honest with ourselves, they weren't exactly wrong to be concerned...
Managing anikin was the biggest mistake the Jedi could’ve made. They tried to force him to bend to their ideals and didn’t really try to make a compromise.
Heck they didn’t even save his mom who was a slave and just left her to the dust. How do you think that affects someone to work with a group of people who never helped your mom and left her.
He should've been more open and honest with brother Ben. Would've made a world of difference in regards to both. Oh heck, they both should've left. Ben to Satine and Ani to Padme. Let galaxy figure itself out.
The dogma of The Jedi is The Jedi Code, their moral constitution. -Their code didn't go down the wrong path" The Jedi themselves deviated from it -because with the Return Of The Sith -and the arrival of young Anakin Skywalker" The Jedi Council are dealing with prophecy -to aid them in their time of uncertainty. The Jedi Code, or dogma, is about ethics, -not prophecy.
Their Code can't guide them in prophecy !
The Jedi Council are concerned about "WHAT" -prophecy will reveal concerning the FATE of The Order !🌈🤓
jealously. windu was jealous and terrible master. everyone on counsel is at fault.
Unfortunately, there are idiots that blame everything on Anakin and refuse to acknowledge that the Jedi were the problem in the first place.
Windu has shown respect and care for Anakin at times. He just doesn't show it often. And if Palpatine had died at the Chancellor's building, he might have made Anakin a Jedi Master on the spot. The main issue is how the Jedi were structured in the first place. One of them even condemning the practices of taking young children to become Jedi, separated from their parents, and forcing them to grow up without family or attachments. Windu in particular likely didn't see anything wrong with the system, and his displayed behavior towards Anakin was a symptom of that. Not trying to defend it. Just trying to add context.
@MaraJadeSkywalker. True, but the RoTS novel is legends, and Mace and Anakins relationship was a lot more cordial compared to canon. In canon, it pushes the narrative of the jedi council being arrogant and prone to poor decision making without reason, Windus character especially was butchered unfortunately
@@animeman8203unfortunately there are idiots that blame everything on anything but Anakin and make excuses for him at every turn and refuse to acknowledge that Anakin, the Jedi and Palpatine were all the problem in the first place
@@michaelthomas2032 More like it was the Jedi and Palpatine that were the problems. All of Anakin's problems stem from them. The Jedi were supposed to teach him yet failed to realize that he wasn't ordinary, and he also had a dark past that none of the other's had, and they refused to give him any counseling. For the first 5 years he had exactly 0 friend's and it took Obi Wan that long to realize that. Not to mention he was constantly looked down upon and mocked by the other's and no one did anything. Palpatine was basically the only one who encouraged him and seemed to appreciate him and we know how Palpatine truly was.
Anakin was too old and he needed his mom.
Afraid they right....
Arrogance? More like brain washed by kidnappers
So, the Jedi Council didn't trust Anakin because Qui-gon did?
Because he didn't like sand.
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