Quick Start Gaiden, Ep. 2: Averatec's Overgrown DVD Player

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  • This product actually made a ton of sense, which is why I'm glad it's not really part of the Quick Start series.
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    Chapters:
    00:00 Intro
    04:20 DVD players in the 2000s
    07:29 In praise of the toaster-fridge
    11:38 Breaking and fixing it
    13:40 Media controls
    15:44 The Quick Start feature
    20:35 Why "Gaiden"?
    26:35 How does it work?
    34:33 History of Averatec
    38:51 Outro
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  • @CathodeRayDude
    @CathodeRayDude  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +340

    Update: Have been informed that this was also sold as the MSI M610. I figured there would be an MSI version, so that tracks, although we don't know whether it was the original and this is the rebrand or vice versa.
    Oversight pointed out by a patron: VLC is certainly decoding the DVD in software, but the original e.g. PowerDVD very possibly interfaced with a hardware codec, most likely in the GPU (such as it is.) I can't find docs on the SiS M741, but a manual for a motherboard with an integrated SiS _chipset_ suggests it had MPEG2 decoding, and frankly it would just be surprising for the era if it didn't.
    That said, I double checked: I installed a generic copy of PowerDVD and found that it's more efficient than VLC by about 5-6 watts, but still uses software. The CPU was still at 65%, power consumption was 40-45W, and the "use hardware acceleration" checkbox was greyed out.
    So A) VLC is grossly inefficient (who's surprised) but B) powerdvd doesn't really move the needle that much. Its still possible they had a custom version that DID leverage a hardware codec... but that would barely make a difference, because the idle power consumption (CPU at 0-1%) is 35-38W. I had checked this during scriptwriting, but I should have actually captured the figures and made that point on camera.
    In any case, it's moot - even if the GPU could decode MPEG2 in only 1-2 watts, the idle power consumption is still twice what the _entire DVD ASIC pulls,_ so this would still struggle to make it through a feature length film.
    Also, regarding ESS: Their chips were never on sound blasters, but I've thought they were for about _twenty years_ because ESS used nearly identical model numbers to Ensoniq, who _did_ get used on Sound Blasters. ES1868 vs ES1371 - same prefix, similar looking numbers, frequently mentioned in close proximity to each other, but completely unrelated products.

    • @jimfixespixels
      @jimfixespixels 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +30

      If memory serves this thing software rendered out of the box when playing dvd's in windows. It could not play a feature length dvd on battery when in windows. Honestly you could barely eek out two hours windows battery run time in any use case. It was an awful laptop.

    • @Sevenigma777
      @Sevenigma777 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      😊

    • @RealNovgorod
      @RealNovgorod 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      Also, the S-video was probably deliberately disabled because they didn't want to pay the extra Macrovision license for external playback.

    • @CathodeRayDude
      @CathodeRayDude  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      @@RealNovgorod I could be wrong, but I would expect that to be built into the cost of the Videodrive chip. There's something about it in the datasheet, but It could be optional, so, fair point.

    • @RealNovgorod
      @RealNovgorod 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +20

      @@CathodeRayDude I'm just spitballin' as well, but I think the copyright mafia fees apply to end products, i.e. "players", not ICs/components.

  • @ZenIsFluffy
    @ZenIsFluffy 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +441

    Nothing prepared me for that VCR Splitting in half

    • @G1itcher
      @G1itcher 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +31

      This comment prepared me for it.

    • @rutgerb
      @rutgerb 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Robots in the skies
      Yeah but I couldnt understand it proper when i was young

    • @Makin-
      @Makin- 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +42

      that machine was approximately 800 times more interesting than the DVD player, we really should have more stupidly modular tech on CRD

    • @katiehesse6578
      @katiehesse6578 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Your comment in the comment preview did

    • @jennid8123
      @jennid8123 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      VCR switch

  • @giga-chicken
    @giga-chicken 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +60

    25:20 "All the other machines are trash" No. The pheonix hyperspace option of turning system sleep into restless night terrors is wild, genius, terrible, and in a vacuum deserves to exist because somebody put way more engineering prowess into that problem than it deserved.

  • @BrightPage174
    @BrightPage174 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +128

    "I'm going to debloat my Windows installation!"
    Said Windows install: 19:28

    • @LordVarkson
      @LordVarkson 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      I recall doing aweful things to my Windows Vista installation to get it to run smoothly, tearing out various services and subsystems based on sketchy guides online. It never did.

    • @Code7Unltd
      @Code7Unltd 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      @@LordVarkson Windows Vista's biggest problem was that flash memory hadn't proliferated the mainstream yet, mainly because the major computer assemblers saw no benefits.
      Now that it has, every Windows version after 7 is a slog to use with mechanical hard drives.

    • @LonelySpaceDetective
      @LonelySpaceDetective 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      atlasos be like

    • @Shaddow798
      @Shaddow798 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      ​@@Code7Unltdhonestly windows 8/8.1 is actually a fair bit faster on a hard drive than 7. But windows 10 post about version 1703 just crawls on a hard drive

  • @tulippasta
    @tulippasta 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +61

    That line about not wanting to admit that your computer isnt the solution to every problem is deep and true

  • @JeanMachado
    @JeanMachado 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +169

    When I saw the DVD interface, I recognized it immediately, this interface was very famous in Chinese DVD players, years ago I fixed a DVD with a corrupt firmware, it was an Apex AD1500, when I opened it there was a DVD IDE drive inside. I still have this DVD player, I've already replaced the drive twice with PC parts. I also discovered at the time that there was a community that created modified firmwares for DVD players based on the ESS Videodrive, adding features and removing region locks.

    • @CathodeRayDude
      @CathodeRayDude  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +80

      Wow, I need to look into that. You're the second person to mention having an apex player with this exact interface, so it sounds like they were a major user. I may actually have to scrape up an example and see if I can get that special firmware on it

    • @Det_Fuse
      @Det_Fuse 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      ​@@CathodeRayDude I'd definitely be into a video about that!

    • @kbhasi
      @kbhasi 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Yep, and I think I had an (unbranded) external hard drive enclosure that could also hook up to a TV to play videos, it had its own remote, and I do remember it both had a big ESS chip and made the same start-up sound, so I think it ran on the same chip!
      (Edit: I think it was unbranded and called "Portable HDD media player" or something along those lines. It took an IDE hard drive but I think there was also a SATA version, as well as one that took a SATA hard drive and could record composite A/V)

    • @So1
      @So1 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Where can u find that type of stuff at

    • @gregneumarke9373
      @gregneumarke9373 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      I think I have this model APEX DVD player. It came from the factory with a hidden menu that let you turn off content protection, allowing you to copy a DVD to VHS. If I recall, the menu said something like "you should not be here"

  • @Blackadder75
    @Blackadder75 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +93

    Ever since Ninja Gaiden on the Commodore 64 I have not known what 'Gaiden' means and that is still true today

    • @CathodeRayDude
      @CathodeRayDude  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +91

      "side story"

    • @hyperturbotechnomike
      @hyperturbotechnomike 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      Same here. Plus a long time ago, i thought it was an european word and pronounced it completely wrong. I'm Lithuanian-German and similar words do exist in european languages and accents. Only found out about it being japanese after someone told me.

    • @ivy_47
      @ivy_47 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Thank you! I'm in the same boat as the OP lol. @@CathodeRayDude

    • @Dong_Harvey
      @Dong_Harvey 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@CathodeRayDude so then, was Ninja Gaiden just a side story to the classic Cannon Films anthology of Ninja movies?

    • @streamviddys1742
      @streamviddys1742 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      i thought it was ninja garden

  • @easyTarget2000
    @easyTarget2000 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +45

    I absolutely lost it at the "why am I staring over there" part

  • @Damaniel3
    @Damaniel3 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +100

    35:13 I did, but only because LGR did a 'history of eMachines' video and brought it up. I would have had zero idea otherwise.
    Also, that detachable Kodak VCR that plugs into the camera was an awesome piece of tech. They all should have worked that way.

    • @apparentlyretrograde
      @apparentlyretrograde 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      There's also a Computer Clan (Krazy Ken) episode about the eOne where it's mentioned.

  • @kargaroc386
    @kargaroc386 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +23

    the on-video optical drive explosion makes this an instant classic.

  • @Starhartdeer
    @Starhartdeer 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +58

    Had a chuckle at that blown speakers xp login sound

    • @nickwallette6201
      @nickwallette6201 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      Didn't every cheap laptop sound like that? The speakers aren't blown, they just have no excursion at all, so any sound louder than a gnat farting would cause them to clip.

    • @colinstu
      @colinstu 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      @@nickwallette6201 exactly this. Not blown... just crappy dac + crappy amp + crappy tiny speakers = this crap right out of the box. Was so common.

    • @BarackLesnar
      @BarackLesnar 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Hell yeah, blow out my speakers, daddy. Crush my bits

  • @OuijTube
    @OuijTube 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +34

    I almost snorted my coffee when the DVD drive exploded

  • @MaggieKeizai
    @MaggieKeizai 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    I used to have that very model. I liked it pretty well, actually. Good keyboard, large size, and while your speakers are blown, the sound was actually excellent. Mine came with a 7200 rpm hard drive.
    When it got long in the tooth, it handled Linux like a champ.
    I actually used the DVD player function a lot. I bought it for a deployment overseas in my military days, and so watching movies was one of its main jobs, the other one being a DAW using an interface that lived in the PCI slot. There was never a bootleg DVD made that it couldn't play. It was the ideal cheap deployment laptop in 2005.

  • @AstralPhnx
    @AstralPhnx 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +134

    "This is just a PC with a passenger that they let drive sometimes"
    CRD 2024

    • @strawbemily3182
      @strawbemily3182 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      never have i related to a pc so much

    • @llMarvelous
      @llMarvelous 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Haha, I imagined those cars for students with two sets of pedals, but in this case they are on right back passenger seat, covered with a carpet and let u “control” car only when it’s off in a parking lot 😄 but you can listen to the music, so…

  • @NigelMelanisticSmith
    @NigelMelanisticSmith 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +35

    I've never been very impressed by a portable DVD player until I saw that remote pop out lol

    • @adameichler
      @adameichler 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      HP continued this trend with their Pavilion and Touchsmart laptops, which would have an IR remote hidden in Expresscard slot (both in 54 mm and 34 mm versions).

    • @NigelMelanisticSmith
      @NigelMelanisticSmith 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@adameichler good to know!

  • @nooneinpart
    @nooneinpart 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +62

    This reminds me of a video I saw the other day about a modern Android tablet/DVD player combo. It's similar in that the DVD player is completely separate from Android, except that the way they connected them together is with an app that requires camera permissions. They connected the DVD player to Android by pretending the video output from the player is a camera. Amazing.

    • @kFY514
      @kFY514 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      That idea sounds so amazingly Chinese :D

    • @THEmuteKi
      @THEmuteKi 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      I mean, it's clever, but it's also how most PC video capture devices work, so it's not without precedent, at least

    • @nooneinpart
      @nooneinpart 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@THEmuteKi I thought that they had gotten a disc drive working in Android and then implemented a DVD player for Android, that would’ve been neat.
      I wonder what the chances are that the connection between the player and the tablet is Analog. Reusing the chips from those EasyCap devices.

    • @renakunisaki
      @renakunisaki 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      So you still have Android running in the background, negating any battery savings. Neat!

  • @tombuck
    @tombuck 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +56

    Gravis Beacon over here with that typing test!

  • @scott8919
    @scott8919 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +107

    I want an hour long video of Gravis typing the script to Bee Movie so I have some typing ASMR to listen to at bedtime.

    • @deadreaver666
      @deadreaver666 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Weird kink but im in

    • @Dong_Harvey
      @Dong_Harvey 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      i presume he would be doing it from memory, no less

  • @deadreaver666
    @deadreaver666 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +84

    "and thats how you KNOW you're watching QuickStart...." Thats fuckin classic!
    Also, as a kid I would've LOVED that VCR Camera combo.

    • @uiopuiop3472
      @uiopuiop3472 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      When the skibidi toilet does the vcr camera men: waow

  • @dragon365xl
    @dragon365xl 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +17

    I bought two of these off my boss at a local computer builder/repairer after a family traded them in. He only asked for $20 each because he was convinced they were overheating fire hazards and wanted them out of the building. Flipped one to a friend who needed it for college and used the other on and off for years. I never actually used the dvd system much but I do recall that trying to play a 720p MP4 would take 95-100% of the cpu. Thanks for the trip down memory lane!

  • @keineAhnungka
    @keineAhnungka 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +39

    The moment when you took out the CPU was gold.

    • @scottmm78
      @scottmm78 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Why does the cpu not have and thermal paste

    • @thegeforce6625
      @thegeforce6625 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@scottmm78 was cheaper and easier to use some sort of thermal tape that did the job well enough because the CPU put out only like 15-20w max heat.

  • @just_some_bird
    @just_some_bird 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +44

    I really liked this one. Very clever way to bury the lede early on talking about portable DVD players! I always assumed Averatec was an arm or wholly owned subsidiary of Acer, so that too was an interesting revelation.
    I miss how laptops used to have front panel buttons like that. Back in the day, I had this Toshiba A25 with those front panel buttons that I'd received as a high school graduation gift. I'd put it in my laptop bag with the buttons facing up and the zipper undone and route my headphones through the bag. I'd then set the power options in Windows to never go to sleep and leave Winamp running with my whole music library and proceed to walk to and from work with 2004's chunkiest iPod. No clue how the Pentium 4 in that thing didn't cook itself alive during the process.

    • @gregdaweson4657
      @gregdaweson4657 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      It was a p4 mobile, very different creature compared to the hot momma used in desktops.

    • @LordVarkson
      @LordVarkson 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      That is a horrific hack, but given the era that's a clever one too. If I did that with my laptop with front buttons (Core 2 Duo), it'd probably melt the battery or something tragic.

  • @EvilCoffeeInc
    @EvilCoffeeInc 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +64

    I was blown away when you brought out the Kodak MVS! My grandfather worked for Eastman Kodak for decades and he was showing me his MVS over the holidays. He has has tons of tapes but his recorder is broken, and because the MVS records in a slightly different format from other video 8 systems the tapes can't just be ripped with another device. And nobody has the resources to fix them! I'd actually meant to ask if you knew anything about these and if they were worth a video, but here it is!

    • @josephmmuller
      @josephmmuller 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      That's really cool! If you still have those tapes, the vhs-decode project might give you a way to recover the footage with a working Video8 player - they've added support for a lot of formats in the last couple years.

    • @EvilCoffeeInc
      @EvilCoffeeInc 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Thanks for the suggestion, I'll take a look!

  • @StompySan
    @StompySan 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Fun fact: ESS still exists today, and shockingly well-regarded, but in the audiophile market. Their Saber DACs are known to be VERY analytical, and they even make high-end headphones.

    • @lumiapowered8463
      @lumiapowered8463 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The LG phones I've owned generally have used their DACs

  • @RichardG867
    @RichardG867 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +86

    The answer to the screen part is the MStar MST9131A chip at the bottom left. It's a part with no public documentation, but according to some monitor service manuals, it's a video scaler with VGA+DVI input and LVDS output. The computer side must be connected through DVI, by the SiS 301MV DVI transmitter next to that chip, and the DVD player side through VGA, as those often had.

    • @nickwallette6201
      @nickwallette6201 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      It might not actually need to use a separate (in this case, analog) video port. Many buses can be tri-stated, i.e. the driving device is put into a high-impedance mode that allows other components to take over the bus. It's often as easy as de-asserting the Chip Select or W and R lines.
      If that's the case here, then yes, it literally just connects the video card's digital output to the DVD codec's digital output and the LCD's input. In this case, the scaler might be in between the two source and the LCD, if it's being leveraged for scaling low-resolution PC graphics to full screen. Or, it might be chained to the codec, and the PC's graphics card would T up to the scaler and LCD junction point.

  • @scottlarson1548
    @scottlarson1548 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

    In the early 2000's you could rent one of those portable DVD players at Amtrak train stations so you wouldn't hurt your neck watching whatever movie they would be showing on the tiny CRTs hanging from the ceiling in the train during the trip. By 2005 I was watching movies on Amtrak with a tiny Creative Zen Vision.

  • @Ghennesph
    @Ghennesph 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I like how everything that "you'll never guess" is always the most obvious solution

    • @CathodeRayDude
      @CathodeRayDude  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      right, because the industry never goes with obvious solutions! you'd never guess it because it makes too much sense!

  • @philo23
    @philo23 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    7:50 I genuinely thought for a second you were gonna come back with a toaster/fridge combo

  • @XCVGVCX
    @XCVGVCX 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    That part about combining expensive devices definitely rings true, even into the 2000s as things were starting to get cheaper. I remember my dad specifically buying a laptop that could be used both for work and as a portable DVD player to keep my entertained on long trips, and settling on this one because of this very feature. Like you, though, we had an inverter and I don't remember if I ever actually used it on battery. I seem to remember that ours had a DVD _burner_, and it was also our first DVD burner in the house. I have vague memories of doing some kind of janky network sharing to burn backup DVDs.
    I hadn't expected to see it in this series, and I've always been curious about how exactly it worked, so I was super excited to see this video. It's wild thinking about how much power this approach saved; I think modern hardware is so efficient that having to spin a DVD drive up versus streaming from disc would kill any savings from such an approach (unless you were trying to software decode AV1 or something, but that's not really comparable).

  • @SailorLoonie
    @SailorLoonie 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

    Your jump from the sudden passing of the DVD drive was incredible
    Also I miss the Quick Start theme music, its so catchy and Homestar-y c:

  • @AnonymousFreakYT
    @AnonymousFreakYT 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    Your comment about eMachines all having blown caps had me side eye my fully working eOne sitting on the table next to me. Then you mentioned the eOne was originally not meant to be an eMachines, which probably explains it.

  • @zaikeban101
    @zaikeban101 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    holy moly. didnt think id see my favorite channel covering something so familiar. my father used to own one of these, in fact its still sitting in the closet in our house. he always told me how great it was for when he was on short flights, being able to bring all of his torrented movies he would burn onto discs and bring with him to watch. i can attest to those remote controls being cheaply made garbage - his only worked for a short while before the battery died, and after he changed it, it just stopped working entirely. i remember being entertained by it on long car rides where dad would pop a movie in and plop it in my lap in the back seat of the car with cars or bugs life or something. as a kid i thought it was the coolest thing. great video!

  • @mrchirp
    @mrchirp 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Was waiting for the HP card is remote, was not disappoint. Had one of those I got hand-me-down, lol.

    • @volvo09
      @volvo09 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I have a mouse somewhere in my collection that slides out of a cardbus or pcmcia slot (can't remember exactly... Then you pop out a foot to angle the rear up and it's a mini rechargeable mouse wherever you want it :)

  • @dmug
    @dmug 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    I love this series. Being only slightly older, I remember seeing portable dvd players when their first came out at places like circuit city but interestingly I never knew anyone with one. 2001+ in college we were downloading movies off of Scour, hotline, etc and burning them to CDs. It wasn’t uncommon to have a binder of CDs, usually movies split into two 700 MB files… all before torrents. Thus a pc required for your dorm room movie watching. Good times.

  • @Mianthadore
    @Mianthadore 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    It's 5am here in Australia, I have a jam donut and a coffee, and there's a new CRD episode. Life is good

  • @Mrdrcaptaintroy
    @Mrdrcaptaintroy 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The VCR/camera ad filmed at the beach had me going, can you imagine cleaning sand out of a VCR

  • @Crusader1089
    @Crusader1089 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Quick start is my favourite series. I'm going to be keeping this as a little treat before bed

  • @Lethaltail
    @Lethaltail 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    17:35 the HRT laptop!!

    • @tennickjestzajety69
      @tennickjestzajety69 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      HRT laptop? Slow and doesn't qualify in first race of season? :D #f1fansknowit

    • @damian9303
      @damian9303 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Reminds me almost of a particular moment during the Qosmio episode with that bottle cap..

    • @ahreuwu
      @ahreuwu 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      "h r t ?"
      yes please

  • @oasntet
    @oasntet 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    The cheap silver paint thing is weird. It got used on a lot of products that really were meant for the landfill, but also quite a few innovative products, especially in the home/portable audio niche. My first portable mp3 player was a no-name thing that could play mp3s off of CDs (and I still can't find anybody who's reviewed one) yet beat Rio to that game by about six months. Or that DigMedia portable + dock mp3 thing. Despite the design flaws, that sure was unique and early to market. And that was only a couple years before this laptop.

    • @CathodeRayDude
      @CathodeRayDude  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      Likewise my first "mp3 player" was a CD player from Panasonic or somebody that I've never been able to find again - and it was completely drenched in silver paint, but it worked great.

    • @oasntet
      @oasntet 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      @@CathodeRayDude I think maybe I have stumbled across the one I had. It was either a "Genica MPTrip" or a generic version, as I recall seeing the same thing under a bunch of different names at the time. All identical but for the stickers, all with super cheap mechanisms and clunky interfaces and dodgy car kits, but it worked, and it worked before the Rio Volt came out - which I also ended up with a while later because it was a lot less janky and could handle more types of CDR/CDRWs, if I remember right.
      I'm pretty sure the MPTrip was even able to play the audio portion of some video files, or VCDs, or something. The levels were all wrong and there was a ton of extra noise (sync signals being treated like mp3 data?) but it sorta-kinda worked.

    • @nickwallette6201
      @nickwallette6201 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The point is here is "cheap products." Innovative or not, those low-budget first-to-market devices were released by little no-name startups that didn't have the budget to manufacture nice brushed aluminum lids. So, injection-molded plastic with a spray tan had to be close enough.

  • @diesieben07
    @diesieben07 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Absolutely love this series!
    My mother used to have an Asus Laptop that I am pretty sure had a similar system, but limited to CD playback. Some googling seems to suggest it is called "Asus Audio DJ Stand By Music System" and one model that had it was the "Asus Pro 60".

  • @brothertax
    @brothertax 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    As an Averatec 3200 owner I can confidently say these machines were an INSANE value at the time. As a poor kid going into college I needed to buy the biggest bang for my buck and was surprised to find this brand. I used it for several years before I sold it for $50 to a friend who used it to play DVDs. BTW, I also had a Soulmate MP3 player. You keep finding these forgotten devices that had a huge impact on my childhood. Thank you for this amazing content!

    • @CathodeRayDude
      @CathodeRayDude  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      hahaha holy crap, what are the chances? Yeah, I mean, I'd say the Averatec is *the best portable DVD player I've ever seen.* That screen alone is terrific.

  • @xliquidflames
    @xliquidflames 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I have nothing interesting to contribute to this conversation. I just wanted to compliment the writing of this video. That description of e-waste was so well written. I especially loved describing AliExpress as a speedrun website. Lol It's funny because it's true and I laugh at things that depress me. Great video.

  • @warlockd
    @warlockd 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I was looking at that ESS chip and you can do ALOT with it. Has a 32bit processor on it and from what I can find you can configure the osd anyway you want and the development kit supported a rom emulator so you could build it very fast. Seems like it would have seperate sdram and a rom on board but beyond that it looks easy to use on anything.

  • @setSCEtoAUX
    @setSCEtoAUX 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Cripes, I figured I was the only one who got excited to see the DVD screensaver logo thing bounce off the corner.

    • @cjshields2007
      @cjshields2007 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      It went big in an episode of The Office so I guess now it's a thing

  • @puschelhornchen9484
    @puschelhornchen9484 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I cracked with "the new level of breaking a computer: the unistalling of the windows volume control".😂

  • @catfish552
    @catfish552 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Man, this IS a really neat idea! Before you even said it I was thinking, this is another perfect dorm room laptop.
    Imagine a machine like this with a burner drive: Acquire *perfectly legal* MP3s, burn a mix CD, shut down the PC and restart in DVD player mode, and listen! If you added some okay external speakers, it could've worked as a passable stand-in for a compact stereo as well.

  • @Jergling
    @Jergling 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    I hope you've seen Portlandia: Instant Garbage. It's exactly how you describe the off-brand plastic tech junk.

  • @AstralPhnx
    @AstralPhnx 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I had a hunch it was a DVDoC to start with (DVD Player on a Chip) ESPECIALLY with how quickly it booted. Good to see I was right on the money there aha. Still a very cool idea though, albeit a bit bizarre

  • @AronBezzina
    @AronBezzina 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

    Nothing on TH-cam gets me more excited than seeing you have released a new video!

    • @TommyAgramonSeth
      @TommyAgramonSeth 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      There are few content creators that make me immediately click

  • @BlobVanDam
    @BlobVanDam 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I love this series. I'll be sad when you eventually run out of weird old machines to cover.

    • @wincentywilk7511
      @wincentywilk7511 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      brb gonna put a raspberry pi pico and an old-stock portable dvd player chip into an oem laptop, with horribly slow emmc memory

  • @hackerhomestead
    @hackerhomestead 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    😂 your maniacal laugh when it played without a CPU! Only a true nerd would be so amused ❤

  • @jpteverp4002
    @jpteverp4002 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Averatec brings me back to university. Bought one September 2002 for first year. Lasted until 2007.
    Mine was a laptop first DVD/CD-RW model. That laptop was thinner than this one - slightly thicker than the SVGA port - and relatively light with a decent battery. I’d be able to get through four hours class on a charge.
    Back at that time, the “silver paint” junk was much cheaper and in reach to a poor student 😂

  • @GoTeamScotch
    @GoTeamScotch 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I love these quickstart videos. Lots of creative engineering went into these machines. And sometimes they were good. 😄

  • @segarallychampionship702
    @segarallychampionship702 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    The chassis bowing when you pressed that power button made me flinch.
    And also that keyboard, decent as it could be, still looks rancid. Helvetica font was* the silver paint of 2000s keyboards. Always on the cheapest possible things you could get. Although it was the 2000s, so any mass market keyboard was awful. After the late 90s the cost cutting in the keyboard world really became a race to the bottom.
    *I'm 24, so per my idealized version of the 2000s, but my experience still checks out.

    • @hax0rz36
      @hax0rz36 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Helvetica was also on the Models F and M, so...

    • @segarallychampionship702
      @segarallychampionship702 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@hax0rz36 Loads of high quality 80s and 90s keyboards had them, but by the 2000s it looks like it was used primarily by the cheapest keyboards out there, or by companies that were in that business since the 80s (IBM/Lenovo and Cherry come to mind). If PC vendors wanted their keyboard to look more "high quality", they would use a keyboard with a smaller and all-lowercase labels, and a font similar to Segoe UI. At least Dell and HP did it this way

  • @halfsourlizard9319
    @halfsourlizard9319 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    'Perfect size for a laptop' ... gets me every time.

  • @argoneum
    @argoneum 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    12:57 almost, just there are two heights: 12.7mm and 9.5mm. I crammed a 12.7mm drive into a docking station only accepting 9.5mm ones, needed to remove some metal shield that probably adapted 9.5mm to 12.7mm actually. Yes, I was surprised.

  • @darkcorrnermcdogle
    @darkcorrnermcdogle 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I audibly gasped when you took that VHS module off and plugged it into the camera. I wasnt expecting that to be possible.

  • @THEmuteKi
    @THEmuteKi 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    My understanding for why these old speakers always get so scratchy is that they seal the components together with a glue that isn't particularly long-lasting. Over time it loses adhesion, meaning that the parts don't move together the way they should. As a result you get that blown-out cronchy sound. Not sure if this was mentioned in a comment over the past couple days but you mentioned it in the video and, as an owner of a couple older laptops with that issue myself, was curious about it as well and that was (to the degree I'm even remembering correctly) the best explanation I could find.

    • @DeanWilliams1987
      @DeanWilliams1987 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      its either that or the plastic membranes degrade, could also be a bit of both.

  • @JessicaFEREM
    @JessicaFEREM 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You know this laptop reminds me a lot of the Panasonic they may use silver paint but underneath they're made of a brick of magnesium. the Let's Note, and the lighter-duty Toughbooks come to mind.
    Panasonic tried to innovate with the let's note, but realized that it was confusing the older japanese folk so they just continually make them exactly the same until this very day, circle trackpad, top-loading disc drive(most of the time), VGA and all.
    I don't think I need to explain the toughbooks though, they made a lighter-duty one that looks more like a normal laptop, no handles, just a really well built laptop with some more reinforcements than the normal laptop.

  • @jimfixespixels
    @jimfixespixels 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I had this exact laptop. It was honestly an amazing portable DVD player. And it was one of the worst laptops I've ever owned. I cooked it at a lan party software rendering counterstrike 1.6. But it still played DVD's, and that's how it lived out the rest of it's days until i lost it somewhere along the way.

  • @MenkoDany
    @MenkoDany 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Not gonna lie, I've grown to like this toaster-fridge in the time I watched this video

    • @MenkoDany
      @MenkoDany 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Best fridge-toaster ever

  • @gwenlop9512
    @gwenlop9512 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    To aesthetically complete the drive, you can carefully remove the bezel from another drive and place onto another drive. It might work, if your drive manufacturer is similar or design is similar. The drive bezel has a few clips.

  • @Kumimono
    @Kumimono 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    That's a very happy looking headphone/microphone/IR receiver combo. :D I was actually wondering if it came with a remote, long lost no doubt. But there it was! Hidden in plain sight. Actually kinda cool way to store something like that.

  • @TheAndkonmegalodon
    @TheAndkonmegalodon 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I love CRD. All my homies love CRD.
    (Seriously tho, i listen to this shit all the time to wind down. I often fall asleep and have to rewatch parts i missed, which I’m okay with since i know it helps you out. Keep up the great work!)

  • @TheAsder216
    @TheAsder216 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Great video as usual! I remember following you on twitter I think some years ago and when you uploaded “the history of home video” I fell in love with the channel and the lives too. Your thoughts are always very interesting to listen to and I’m glad this TH-cam career is working for you :> All the best from Italy!

  • @XMguy
    @XMguy 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I did that DVD drive swap thing when the VAIO I bought some time ago came with a dead DVD drive. I used the one from my Dell laptop til I was able to get a VAIO appropriate one.

    • @volvo09
      @volvo09 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Yeah I added a burner to a laptop by just figuring it out randomly... Luckily the cover fit with slight modification.

    • @XMguy
      @XMguy 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@volvo09 The VAIO didn’t even use a special adapter plate, nor did the Dell. I could have saved money in 2001 by getting the CD-ROM version, then swapping the drive out. lol

  • @amberisvibin
    @amberisvibin 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    the earlier ess audio drives are pretty decent sound blaster clones, especially for what they cost nowadays compared to creative parts
    exactly one of them even had a custom ess audio mode that one game supports

  • @implausiblyaverage
    @implausiblyaverage 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I can't add much on the tech side, BUT! Loving the font on the "Gaiden"!

  • @vjcodec
    @vjcodec 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Great episode once again! Really great to see you crank out videos again considering the new years update. ❤

  • @neuronic85
    @neuronic85 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    This was a truly entertaining presentation for another fascinating technical turducken. I am really enjoying this series.

  • @daemonspudguy
    @daemonspudguy 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The return of the best series.

  • @FG-gu9rn
    @FG-gu9rn 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Awesome video! BTW, when I saw this crazy laptop/DVD combi, I thought it's just a dream machine considering it can play DVDs separately without the laptop being powered on :D
    But, there's one thing you can do to bring this bad boy more modern day (not very modern but usable today): mod it with some much newer components, only if it's possible!
    I'm hoping you can make a video about modding this old-fashioned Averatec/MSI laptop to see if it's worth it bringing it back to life :)
    Best regards from the poor RU!

  • @WrinkleRelease
    @WrinkleRelease 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’ve complimented you before on how your scripts get better and better. You have always been original and hilarious with your wry jokes and your overall approach, but I want to, once again, compliment your writing here. Very good!

  • @renakunisaki
    @renakunisaki 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    My guess is that DVD player chip has a passthru mode where the laptop can access the drive and the screen right through it. Or it might even _be_ a drive controller and display adapter. The laptop is probably just "input 2" on it, with the menus disabled.

  • @ora2j251
    @ora2j251 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The Thinkpad i 1482 also had media control buttons on the front with a display.

  • @confusedkemono
    @confusedkemono 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    my dude you uploaded right when i needed something to watch

  • @kw9849
    @kw9849 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    1:27 Kind of like Chrome Vanadium steel in tools. Long ago, seeing a "Chrome Vanadium" Mark used to mean something, but nowadays it's essentially just advertising that your tool was made in China or India by the lowest bidder.

    • @volvo09
      @volvo09 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Yeah, pick up a tool and see that, put it right back down...

  • @CharlesAnjos
    @CharlesAnjos 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    the "perfect size for a laptop" bit always makes me piggy-laugh. it's so silly, I love it!

  • @sp0ck1p
    @sp0ck1p 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Even though I've heard it several times now, there is something familiar and satisfying about listening to the explanation of the Quick Start premise every time.

  • @UncleThor
    @UncleThor 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That is honestly amazing! I would've loved to have one back in the day. Hell, something like this would be nice even these days, as I use my laptop as a media device first.
    But booting directly to the media player without Windows would still be an awesome feature I would love to see today.

  • @mgrsdgfsdafsdgrsdgfsdg6980
    @mgrsdgfsdafsdgrsdgfsdg6980 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    ESS is still very much around. They produce high-end DAC chips, such as the Sabre.

  • @greatguy2003
    @greatguy2003 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Well that's a cool Easter egg during the credits. The names scrolling on the left side start at the bottom of the screen "behind" your desk, and I know this because I can see the glimmer of the letters as they pass by your screw drivers. Either your screw drivers have the same chroma key color as your background, or they are reflecting the color from your background! Fun!

  • @junglemike4
    @junglemike4 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent episode. Thank you.

  • @Sythemn
    @Sythemn 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    2007 - 2011, I routinely had people come in to the university help desk with laptops so loaded down with crap that bootups hit 5+ minutes. XP systems included. Early Vista machines universally had this problem with fresh installs. 90% of the time the first thing we'd do at the helpdesk was just remove everything from startup and it would normally reduce this to a minute or so. (Viruses and early netbooks excluded).

  • @MenkoDany
    @MenkoDany 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Hell yea I've been waiting for the next episode!

  • @plutoniumshore
    @plutoniumshore 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    18:38 OMG...seeing that remote pop out reminded me that I had a Dell laptop that had the same feature...and coincidentally, was all silver like this one and had media buttons along the front too! I'm looking at old pictures and I want to say it was the Dell Inspiron 6400? If it wasn't that exact model, it DEF had that form factor/design.

  • @justinepaula-robilliard
    @justinepaula-robilliard 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    That JVC video camera/recorder combination, I remember very clearly as it if happened 30 seconds ago, but no it was around 1985/1986, my dad, my brother and I went to this shop, a huge Walmart style hypermarket, in there, in the very new Video and TV section was this camera, tripod, recorder, tv system, and I wanted it so so bad, I talked about it for weeks, months, maybe every day for a solid year, so on a day we went to the store to the TV section, my dad was in the office for what seemed like ages.. After what seemed like 10 yrs to a 10 yr old, we went back to the car, the truck, and there was something boxy in the back of the truck..
    It was not there when we arrived, so I thought ok, maybe not a birthday present for me.. Maybe christmas, it was close to that period in the calendar... I did find out what it was, it was a stonking great brand new to the country, color TV, the asshole dad gave us to use with the zx spectrum, the tv from the bedroom.. I never forgave the asshole... My rage, my disappointment, my level of trust of this asshole that got my mom preggy, never trusted him.. truth.. so that video recorder/camera yeah, feelings..

  • @branhicks
    @branhicks 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    That on screen display is identical to my old Apex DVD player

  • @Xe4ro
    @Xe4ro 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    7:52 - For a second I was expecting you to grab a Fridgster… ^^

  • @JoshWatts
    @JoshWatts 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    A $300 Averatec (bought used) got me through first 2 years of college cirrca 2006, much more happily once I installed Xubuntu on it at least 🤣 I still have it, and amusing it is my only working system with a CD drive! It was light, good enough for notes, and a quick SSH session off to my more powerful desktop.

  • @GalileoAV
    @GalileoAV 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    My brain was not ready for 9:03, what a weird but genius solution

  • @DiRecTwah
    @DiRecTwah 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Laptop size is my second favourite running gag in these videos

  • @AstralPhnx
    @AstralPhnx 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    HELL YEAH MORE QUICKSTART BABY LETS GOOO

  • @hansdegroot652
    @hansdegroot652 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I love his history reminders 😊

  • @StrawberryRaccoonNixie
    @StrawberryRaccoonNixie 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The little pop out remote is adorable

  • @iamdarkyoshi
    @iamdarkyoshi 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    The HP Omnibook xe3 I had as a kid was able to play CDs with the front panel controls with the machine turned off. Rather neat feature actually. As far as I know, it only ran the audio amp and disk drive, so the battery could do it for ages

  • @MisakaMikotoDesu
    @MisakaMikotoDesu 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Bruh, I didn't expect you to pull the VCR out and put it on the camera, that's insane.

  • @disketa25
    @disketa25 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    It so happened that I *KNOW* how this dual-boot works without any additional chips. It's not player chip connected in parallel to the PC components, it's PC components connected THROUGH a DVD integrated chip working in always-on pass-through mode. Initially such functionality was designed for VHS/DVD combo decks popular at the time and complex karaoke machines, but this laptop features one of the most definitely badass implementations of such mode...

  • @thesummerofmark
    @thesummerofmark 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I’ll let you know that I’m neither a computer nor a hardware nerd and yet I love your shit

  • @parkersornberger260
    @parkersornberger260 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Finally, the perfect size for a laptop