I’ve always liked the SVOs . You have to remember these cars were ahead of their time . Introduced in 84 as a turbo car with great handling ( for the time anyway) 5 speed, 5 lug with the larger wheels. All around fun car but once you sat in a GT 5 speed you were sold on the torque. 😎
There were a lot of ‘firsts’ with the SVO, most importantly rear disc brakes and 16” wheels on a mustang. Also, show me a domestic car that was running 15psi of boost stock, you won’t find one (GN’s were 12psi stock)!
I will always give this car alot of praise, because I had a 1990 Thunderbird Supercoupe in white with a red leather interior, but I have driven many Turbocoupes, but I never had the opportunity to drive a SVO Fox body and I've always wanted to. I have two turbocharged Hondas, and I have always had a soft spot in my heart for the SVOs as well as the Merkurs. The 2.3 Lima is a very capable engine and is easily modified in stock form. I had a 94 Exploder that came with a 4.0, but I swapped in a 302 and put an Explorer Express supercharger kit with an Eaton M90 on it and it went on to make 490 whp with a smaller pulley (more boost), 90 lb injectors, a Walbro in-tank 450 LPH fuel pump, and it ran on an old school piggyback ECU. I have ALWAYS wanted either a SVO (which is really hard to find around here), or a Merkur XR4Ti (also very hard to find). Props to this man for a very clean build.
I really wish Ford would bring the Escort RS Cosworth into production these were amazing car to see on the Autobahn when I was stationed in Mannheim, Germany Coleman Barracks very fast and underrated cars.
I don’t think the SVO is ‘Hated’ among the Mustang community, might not be their favorite, but certainly not hated. If any of you were driving when they first came out, I can assure you it was the most ‘wanted’ mustang. I’ve owned my 86 SVO for over 20 years and 170k miles, and still daily drive it (took it to Ford Takeover back in May)..
@@GearHead704 my older cousin had a 86 model SVO back in 1988. I was only 13 but I knew immediately it wasn't a 8 cylinder when he started it up, plus it looked weird to me with those big euro headlights...but man then we made a couple of blocks😬 When we got back I spent an hour picking seat cushion out my a-crack 😂😂
Starting to show interest in 4 bangers after using V8's for years, I was raised to think, " There is no replacement for displacement." I think many people were taught to think this way, so the SVO and turbo coupe died off early. It was truly ahead of its time. The 86 SVO was a computer controlled fuel injected turbo engine in 1986 that could match 5 liter of the day and was totally underappreciated. I'm looking for donor 87/88 T-Birds with manual a transmission or 86 SVO's with a manual transmission for a convertible 88 Mustang project which I recently acquired "to make what Ford should have have made years ago". I am hoping to create a structurally solid saleen style daily/weekend driver convertible with at least 225 hp at the rear wheels with at least 275 ft pounds of tourqe 2.3 turbo. Any thoughts or recommendations on my new project car. I found a SVO at wrecker than I'm negotiating for currently which is 86 svo with perfect front facia, grill, lights, front quarter panels and hood, no engine, smashed up rear panels from the major accident front seats and front center console are perfect as well. But from the back seats going rear ward is completely totaled, I would use the 88 convertible because the interior and body doesn't have blemish on it, original paint is nearly perfect except front facia, and there is no rust underneath 74, 000 miles on it. It's just a bad engine and cooked automatic transmission. So picture an 88 convertible with a svo front and svo engine.
I agree many were taught that but the SVO has its place. I personally don't know much about them though. You may want to check mrautomotif on instagram as he has been doing a huge SVO project for the last 5 or 6 years.
I think the SVO is definitely a love hate relationship. You either love them or hate them. I personally don't mind the 4cylinder motor, its more the outside look I am not personally a fan of. Can't wait to see what is in store for Tarheel Fox!
I have an ‘86 SVO with 52k miles. It’s a lot of fun feeling the power come on when the turbo spools up. Not fun right now though because of an electrical gremlin that’s keeping the injectors from firing.
I've been around since 2019 l9l. Don't remember what you're talking about with Tarheel though. Looking forward to seeing it lol. The SVO is looking great!
Love the SVO I had to pick between the 86 SVO or a 86 Mustang GT. I went for the grunt torque and horsepower. Getting parts is tough for that unique car. He cannot get ball joints anymore so you have to change things up in the front end. Very nice car.
Anyone who hates on svo's hasn't driven one. Yeah it's rather unimpressive when you rev up but when you load that turbo and it spools up and starts screaming that little 2.3 is like magic.
@@GearHead704 completely different experience than the the 302/V8, especially from the driver's seat. In my opinion being completely different is what makes the svo so special! Great work Matt.👍💪
I like the SVO's. Little 4 cylinder with a Turbo making 210-215hp with Koni shocks. I liked the SVO with the flush headlights. I remember reading an article in MM&FF back in those days ('86-?) where a Volvo Turbocharger was installed and the SVO outran the 85-86 Corvette. I believe the SVO was from Charlie's Mustangs in San Jose, CA.
The only people saying svos are crap are those who never owned or drove one back in the day. The car had a kick ass turbo boost / acceleration that no v8 could match. The svo was a lot of fun and had a look and feel that made the 84 to 86 GTs feel cheap by comparison. The fat leather wrapped steering wheel, fat gatorbacks, 4 wheel discs, fuel injection, even unique exhaust. I loved this car. Sorry I had to sell mine in 89.
@@GearHead704 I mean I do think the SVO was a good car it's a sick looking car with that front end treatment I've seen a lot of people swap the front ends from those cars onto V8 cars or they ditch the 4-cylinder altogether for a V8 swap but I have yet to see a coyote swapped SEO
I bought a black one new in 85 and unfortunately everything went wrong with that car. It was in the shop all the time but it was still under factory warranty. Ended up trading it in on a black 87 GT with Ttops and I never looked back.
I’m starting to take a liking to those SVO’s because they are something different and becoming extremely rare in my neck of the woods. Great video as always🙌🏼🏁
Hey great update on that SVO definitely looks like a fun car with the mods that are done to it. I really used to hate them when I was younger the only thing I cannot stand about them still is that double stack Wing and I'm not much for how far the headlights sit back from the marker lights I know it changes and I believe 86 but other than that those cars came with some great features especially for back then... I'm really wanting a turbo coupe T-Bird but haven't been able to find one I want to get one for my daughter she wants a fox and I feel a little safer with her in a bigger car it just seems a little heavier and more solid for a first driver. it would be a fun driving project for us! (and I think it would be a lot cheaper than the 69 Chevelle that she really wants lol) someday 1 will be in my collection 68/69 is a dream car I had a 68 chevelle&69Elcamino and I let go when I was 19&24 SMH 😢🥺
I answered this several days ago, but TH-cam is being weird on responding to some comments. Appreciate you watching as always Shifty. It was geat to get MrAutoMotif's car back on the channel.
I've owned a lot of cars. Alot. No car gets more attention than a clean, straight, low milage SVO. Hands downs. Just put new esslinger auxlery shaft in my 84 57,000 runs like a new one now. Amazing. All original DA!. Need rims polished be great. Mettalic gray. Out of Phoenix. Would not take less than 26,000. Well worth it.
Dark Sage (4E) was a 1985 and 1986 only color, on the Mustang. In model year 1985 there were 32 SVOs (28 'early' 1985, 4 '1985.5') painted Dark Sage and in model year 1986 there were 15 SVOs painted Dark Sage.
I answered this several days ago, but TH-cam is being weird on responding to some comments. So glad you like them Mike and that you are still watching. Thanks man.
Btw, my belief is that the SVO was hated because it simply wasn't a 302. Same reason every other 4 or 6 cylinder Mustang was hated...because it wasn't a V8.
Idk... I was a teen in the early 80s. I don't remember hating the SVO. What I did hate was seeing an "L" or an "LX" 2.3L with a 5.0 badge on the side, which was more common.
Man I luv the 2.3 turbo am in the works of swapping a 88 tbird tc engine into my 90 notchback mustang man that’s the only car they forgot to put 2.3 turbo they even made a convertible gt turbo but sadly no coupe
I had a chance to purchase a SVO 7 yrs ago running! The guy only wanted 1,500 for it.. now I am regretting not getting it! It would be in garage next to my 88 GT vert right now. SMH.
Just wanted to say, love the new intro, I meant to comment on it the last couple of times, That said the SVO is really nice (early) model Foxbody, they did take from the SVO when they made the 87 & later GT with ground affects, split with 5.0 LX models. The fact was the SVO was close to the same price as the GT model with V8 or turbo 4cyl., more so people picked the V8 GT model. Oh yeah what up with Fox Chamber??
Thanks, It was actually and older intro that I hadn't used for a long time, but I like it too. You're right that the SVO did impact a lot of the later FoxBody's built. The Fox Chamber put up a very funny video recently. Apparently I'm in the FoxBody illumanati! LOL
I wish Ford would bring back out the Svt Contour Rwd and Awd this time with the 2.3 or 2.5 6spd would be nice also the Probe Mazda 2.3 Awd or Rwd drive and a Handling package and easy to tune.
I bought an SVO in Dec 1984. It had to be towed to the dealer one week after purchase. It was in the shop for forty out of the first 90 days I owned it. I PAID to rent a car for those 40 days. I got rid of it the next spring. I only buy Hondas or Toyotas now. Great to drive ( when running ). Over 30 mpg. I still hate Fords.
I'm 53 yrs old, I've had fox bodies since 1986 . Yes they were all brand new. SVOs were fast , and they were not cheap to buy. These SVOs were respected on the road
@@GearHead704 I enjoy watching your channel and the enthusiasm that you have. I am trying to get to Foxtober fest this year to meet you and brew2l. I'm rocking a 7up. 💯🇺🇲
i bought my 85 1/5 competition prep SVO for $13,800. not all that much more than late 84 GT i bought new. The Ford dealer i got SVO from wanted to renegotiate the price up after ordering it by $800. I said "NOPE", as i waved the P&S contract in their face. P.S. they had 10 buyers waiting to buy it as it sat in their lot while getting prepped for delivery. I sold my SVO 2 years later with 25 K mi....for $16K cash (try that with a GT back then). I was the ONLY one to ever sell out of a lease at one of the biggest Ford dealers in the area
SVO guys can commiserate with AOD guys and the vert gang as they are all somewhat unloved. Since I have an AOD vert that I love I can join right in feeling the pain. ;)
@@GearHead704 Real ones are VERY difficult to obtain and even if one could get reproductions, the rocker trim and mounting bits have to be aquires as well.
Maybe it's the recessed lights or the wheels? I don't know... You're right, the SVO isn't my favorite Fox. Just looks Wonky. I know it performs very well though
There were debates at Ford wether to put a V6 or 4 cylinder in the SVO but they wanted to do something to really impress the automotive industry so in went the 2.3 Turbo. The automotive press repeatedly noted the very unbalanced 2.3 and Ford did nothing to fix it. My brother had a standard 2.3 in a 79 Fairmont. I drove an SVO at a car auction in 1995 and in my opinion it’s a terribly unbalanced engine that often doesn’t even make it to 100,000 miles before it needs a turbo or a complete engine rebuild. So when I bought a Pace Car in 1987 I got a V8.
I've seen many svo go very far with normal maintenance, not to mention they can handle lots of power and have an awesome oiling system. The 2.3 turbo had been in mustangs way before the svo so they had things ironed out very well by the time 1984 came around.
Yeah that 2.3 engine is an old design. I thought I read somewhere it was a German designed engine. They were put in the Ford Capris made in Europe. The Merkur XR4ti’s had them. I graduated in 1985 and in the 1980’s I religiously read anything Ford I could find in magazines. What makes me shake my head going on Facebook forums and mention things like the rare 1984-3/4 Mustang GT which had a 205hp engine, different T-5 transmission ratios, different size sway bars and a few other tweaks specific to it but different than the 1985 GT and also different than earlier 1984 GT’s,,, and other members of the group who are know it all’s say I’m making it up. The 1984-3/4 Mustang GT 302 that had a 5 speed manual was very close to the 1985 GT 5 speed engine minus the roller cam.
@@MustangsTrainsMowers if you think about it though the 302 is an even older design appearing in the 60s the 2.3 didn't come around untill the 70s and died in the 90s. But the 2.3 has a cult following I swapped my 79 pace car with an 85 svo drivetrain when I was in highschool and it was a fun car compared to the carb 2.3 turbo engine. I had a buddy with an ssp coupe and I'd walk that car everytime whether from a roll or a stop.
That 2.3 will never have the following that the 302 has. I’m sure that when you rebuilt a 2.3 have a machine shop balance it and it would run smoother. If I had an SVO I’d consider a roller cam 351w swap but Minnesota is getting the stupid California emissions standards in a few years. Our Governor Tim Walz is a moron.
@@GearHead704 I'm just kidding my first fox was a vert. I prefer the hatch but hey, I'm just glad they made verts, lx, gt, hatch, notch, t tops, sunroof. There's a little of everything for anyone's taste.
NO V-8 in an SVO. 2.3 turbo is perfect match, has same HP as 5.0, 49 / 51 balance. endless fun in a cool AF package. change timing on dash, adjustable 6 koni red shocks, 50 series tires, 16" lug centric rims, functional ground affects, dual wing spoiler & hood scoop, 140 MPH speedo (has tags over 85 MPH), hurst short throw shifter, 4 wheel disc brakes, leather wrapped steering wheel, E brake handle, leather or cloth seats options, ALL SVOs are 5 spd, premium radio etc...
In my opinion #1 most hated fox body is any with an LS swap. #2.1980-82 Tbird aka box bird. It reminds me of a brick you throw at seagulls. #3 Granada. SVO isn't even in the top 10 worst. However all 4cyl mustangs sit lower in the hierarchy but still think any SVO ranks higher than a 4cyl Automatic vert, aka the parts car.
@@GearHead704 no they were much more back in the day. i remember bringing my new 85 1/2 comp prep to a 'run what you bring day' at eping speedway... i was too late to get a number until i told em what i had lol. when i got back to the car there was a big crowd around it, they asked me many questions about SVO... that never happened with my new late 84 GT lol
i love the SVOs, best seats ever in a fox body, factory Recaros. not bagging on his car, but SVOs have ugly wheels, and ugly headlights, i think thats what kinda turned people off that didnt know what they were. its wierd. those cars with just a few mods easily out perform a stock 5.0 fox. i really liked them back in the day with the dual rear spoilers.
@@foxchassis while technically being correct, they are different from standard mustang seats of the day having thier own unique upholstry and unique padding and foam that are SVO only. everyone thinks they are recaros, and i doubt anyone knows or cares anything about Lear seating outside of maybe Detroit and my cousin Dave who works there.
The styling is my biggest complaint. The front fascia looks like a person with a larger nose and a weak chin, which is why the Saleens looked so good with the added air dam. The spats are a poor substitute for full-length skirts. Suspension and brakes were far ahead of the 5.0, given the limitations of the 4-link. The buzz is that Ford was developing a 16-valve head for the 1987 model year but shelved the idea. Too bad because it would have been amazing.
Imagine if Ford came out with a New SVO right now Rwd and Awd only with a 6Spd Tremec that handles like a lotus Elise with Honda Civc tuning and aftermarket support. This Mustang would sell like Hotcakes just being honest and Ford Knows it
I just think its ugly….thats about it. I love the fox body but that front end kills it for me. Not to mention those hideous factory wheels! It does have its good points and being 5 lug you have a ton of wheel options.
I answered this several days ago, but TH-cam is being weird on responding to some comments. We really have thought about it actually. Maybe after Foxtoberfest this year.
All in all Ford hit the target in the performance/ turning department with the SVO. Of course that was many years back. I'm a new edge dude. I have a mustang gt that is around 20 years newer than the svo. The gt handles like crap on turning compared to a vette around the same year. My point is mustangs were a one trick pony back then. Even 20 years later they still were. The new edge mach 1 was probably the first year of some ok handling. I believe it had the same brand of upgraded shocks as the svo. I like the svo...I'd take it over the fox gt. I did own a fox gt and never could get use to it being mine. The giant headlights was probably the biggest flaw to the looks in my book. I think the svo interior and wheels were nicer than gt... apples to apples 84 vs 84 year models. History can't be changed... the masses only loved the v8 mustang. I appreciate all cars and makes though. I almost bought an svo about 2 years ago. Maybe I should try again since most people don't want them... don't change my mind about the facts that are upgrades on the svo.
Probably because they took all the good parts that they could have put on the GT, a V8, rear drive car and wasted it on a car that didn't cater to core Mustang enthusiasts. THEN, to add insult to injury, when they discontinued it, they didn't transfer all those nice goodies over to the GT. Can you imagine a GT with a turbocharger, 5 lugs and 4 wheel disc brakes? What could have been....Yeah, still haven't forgiven Ford for that one....
That would have been LEGENDARY. A Vette contender, and for all intents and purposes, FASTER. Grand National? No contest.. Damn you, Ford, I still to this day think we were cheated out of a GREAT combination...Ford should make Mustangers whole and send us the parts for free, 😂
I answered this several days ago, but TH-cam is being weird on responding to some comments. That would have been so cool to have a GT put together like that.
What's to hate about an older convertible muscle or pony car? They traditionally bring more money in the collector car market and can give a pleasurable driving experience.
Anything that I think is a hot rod, rat rod sports car,if it dont have a v8 or bigger..then it's a grocery getter family car...I prefer SIT DOWN..SHUT UP..AND HOLD ON...not let's go to Walmart hunny.
Just because it isn't a v8 don't mean it isn't fast. These things had potential could easily put down 300+ to the tires with fairly simple mods or about the same as an old 302 wkth a decent heads cam and intake package. Also these were more built towards handling they had 4 wheel discs and larger wheels and they weigh less and have better weight balance so for a car built for the twisties its actually a good starting point. Not every build is built for drag racing although they can be very respectable there. Im not saying I would rather have one over a v8 mustang but I'd def like to have one in addition to some v8 mustangs if I could.
You have so much wasted potential in it then. You can hit 250-260 on stock SVO parts without bumping injectors. And get around 300 after that. Very underrated
@@DominatorGarage nah man if it don't got a v8 it can't be quick! Impossible! Lol. I don't understand these guys that are like only v8 anti everything else.
@@midnight347 I know, Most of them don't know shit about it, In comparison even back then the SVO was a cheaper Choice for High HP mods, Hell now they are dirt cheap if all you want is to go fast. Love them. The v8 has a iconic sound sure. But the SVO is arguably faster stock for stock
@@GearHead704 My son drove my 86 SVO throughout high school (7 years ago) and half way through college, all with 19lb of boost from a hybrid T3/T4 and ported head!
My 86 comp prep SVO was my favorite fox I've owned. Best suspension & brakes offered on a fox from factory, plus factory 5 lug. It was an awesome car!
I think you nailed it, just so ahead of its time.
100% agreed! ive owned many fox body including new 85 1/2 comp prep & 86 comp prep, both black, even had #6 M-81 Mclaren (1 of 10 made)
I’ve always liked the SVOs . You have to remember these cars were ahead of their time . Introduced in 84 as a turbo car with great handling ( for the time anyway) 5 speed, 5 lug with the larger wheels. All around fun car but once you sat in a GT 5 speed you were sold on the torque. 😎
I completely agree about them being ahead of their time especially for the value too. I hope to have one some day.
There were a lot of ‘firsts’ with the SVO, most importantly rear disc brakes and 16” wheels on a mustang. Also, show me a domestic car that was running 15psi of boost stock, you won’t find one (GN’s were 12psi stock)!
Svo's deserve more respect. They were WAY ahead of their time. They paved the way for the plethora of turbo 4 cyl. today.
I completely agree.
Your comment is spot on, 100% correct....👌
I will always give this car alot of praise, because I had a 1990 Thunderbird Supercoupe in white with a red leather interior, but I have driven many Turbocoupes, but I never had the opportunity to drive a SVO Fox body and I've always wanted to. I have two turbocharged Hondas, and I have always had a soft spot in my heart for the SVOs as well as the Merkurs. The 2.3 Lima is a very capable engine and is easily modified in stock form. I had a 94 Exploder that came with a 4.0, but I swapped in a 302 and put an Explorer Express supercharger kit with an Eaton M90 on it and it went on to make 490 whp with a smaller pulley (more boost), 90 lb injectors, a Walbro in-tank 450 LPH fuel pump, and it ran on an old school piggyback ECU. I have ALWAYS wanted either a SVO (which is really hard to find around here), or a Merkur XR4Ti (also very hard to find). Props to this man for a very clean build.
They definitely can be cool and have a lot of potential. I hope you find one around you as I think they are still under valued.
an XR4TI held the land speed record with 2.3 Turbo. heres the vid... th-cam.com/video/-NBe8HBh3GY/w-d-xo.html
I really wish Ford would bring the Escort RS Cosworth into production these were amazing car to see on the Autobahn when I was stationed in Mannheim, Germany Coleman Barracks very fast and underrated cars.
I agree that would be awesome if Ford did do that.
I don’t think the SVO is ‘Hated’ among the Mustang community, might not be their favorite, but certainly not hated. If any of you were driving when they first came out, I can assure you it was the most ‘wanted’ mustang. I’ve owned my 86 SVO for over 20 years and 170k miles, and still daily drive it (took it to Ford Takeover back in May)..
I answered this several days ago, but TH-cam is being weird on responding to some comments. Yeah maybe hate is too strong.
I love the SVOs, I've owned a gt 350 turbo, and have a 83 gt turbo t-top. Love them nothing like them
Very cool Nate. Those GT350's are really growing on me and I like how they had the different engine options.
Love SVO’s. I own a 1986 SVO
Nice! I hope to add one to my collection some day.
It's the most hated because the haters can't find nor AFFORD one! 😂😂😂
LOL, I like that!
@@GearHead704 my older cousin had a 86 model SVO back in 1988. I was only 13 but I knew immediately it wasn't a 8 cylinder when he started it up, plus it looked weird to me with those big euro headlights...but man then we made a couple of blocks😬
When we got back I spent an hour picking seat cushion out my a-crack 😂😂
Starting to show interest in 4 bangers after using V8's for years, I was raised to think, " There is no replacement for displacement." I think many people were taught to think this way, so the SVO and turbo coupe died off early. It was truly ahead of its time. The 86 SVO was a computer controlled fuel injected turbo engine in 1986 that could match 5 liter of the day and was totally underappreciated. I'm looking for donor 87/88 T-Birds with manual a transmission or 86 SVO's with a manual transmission for a convertible 88 Mustang project which I recently acquired "to make what Ford should have have made years ago". I am hoping to create a structurally solid saleen style daily/weekend driver convertible with at least 225 hp at the rear wheels with at least 275 ft pounds of tourqe 2.3 turbo. Any thoughts or recommendations on my new project car. I found a SVO at wrecker than I'm negotiating for currently which is 86 svo with perfect front facia, grill, lights, front quarter panels and hood, no engine, smashed up rear panels from the major accident front seats and front center console are perfect as well. But from the back seats going rear ward is completely totaled, I would use the 88 convertible because the interior and body doesn't have blemish on it, original paint is nearly perfect except front facia, and there is no rust underneath 74, 000 miles on it. It's just a bad engine and cooked automatic transmission. So picture an 88 convertible with a svo front and svo engine.
I agree many were taught that but the SVO has its place. I personally don't know much about them though. You may want to check mrautomotif on instagram as he has been doing a huge SVO project for the last 5 or 6 years.
I think the SVO is definitely a love hate relationship. You either love them or hate them. I personally don't mind the 4cylinder motor, its more the outside look I am not personally a fan of. Can't wait to see what is in store for Tarheel Fox!
I'd agree with that. I don't think people were quite ready for the early aero look. The 87 did a much better job of that part imo.
I have an ‘86 SVO with 52k miles. It’s a lot of fun feeling the power come on when the turbo spools up. Not fun right now though because of an electrical gremlin that’s keeping the injectors from firing.
Sounds like a cool ride. Unfortunately FoxBody life is chasing gremlins life at this point.
My 84 57,000 gets so much attention . Fast car.
You ever figure this out?
I've been around since 2019 l9l. Don't remember what you're talking about with Tarheel though. Looking forward to seeing it lol. The SVO is looking great!
I think most people forgot about it LOL. I know you've been a long time subscriber. Thanks for the continued support Charlie.
I ordered a new 85 1/2 SVO comp prep in black of course ;) also has nice 86 comp prep in black
Very cool on both accounts!
Love the SVO I had to pick between the 86 SVO or a 86 Mustang GT. I went for the grunt torque and horsepower. Getting parts is tough for that unique car. He cannot get ball joints anymore so you have to change things up in the front end. Very nice car.
Can go wrong with an 86 GT either. Yeah SVO parts definitely tough to find.
i had a new 85 1/2 comp prep SVO & new late 84 GT... very diff animals. SVO is much better car all around including about the same torque, same HP too
Anyone who hates on svo's hasn't driven one. Yeah it's rather unimpressive when you rev up but when you load that turbo and it spools up and starts screaming that little 2.3 is like magic.
Having rode in this one I definitely agree.
@@GearHead704 completely different experience than the the 302/V8, especially from the driver's seat. In my opinion being completely different is what makes the svo so special! Great work Matt.👍💪
Awesome car. SVOmustang one of my favorite
Nice interior. Car is like new. People hate is cause it was one of the fastest 4 cylinder cars in the 80s.
Yes, love the SVO's and you might be right about that.
I like the SVO's. Little 4 cylinder with a Turbo making 210-215hp with Koni shocks. I liked the SVO with the flush headlights. I remember reading an article in MM&FF back in those days ('86-?) where a Volvo Turbocharger was installed and the SVO outran the 85-86 Corvette. I believe the SVO was from Charlie's Mustangs in San Jose, CA.
Wow, I didn't realize it beat the Vette back in the day. That's cool. Love MM&FF of course.
The only people saying svos are crap are those who never owned or drove one back in the day. The car had a kick ass turbo boost / acceleration that no v8 could match. The svo was a lot of fun and had a look and feel that made the 84 to 86 GTs feel cheap by comparison. The fat leather wrapped steering wheel, fat gatorbacks, 4 wheel discs, fuel injection, even unique exhaust. I loved this car. Sorry I had to sell mine in 89.
I think you are right on all counts. I hope to add an SVO to the stable someday.
I think a lot of people hate the fact that the suspension the breaks things like that we're not offered on the GT at the time or any 5-liter car
I think you are right and I didn't realize that until after posting this video.
@@GearHead704 I mean I do think the SVO was a good car it's a sick looking car with that front end treatment I've seen a lot of people swap the front ends from those cars onto V8 cars or they ditch the 4-cylinder altogether for a V8 swap but I have yet to see a coyote swapped SEO
actually the cobra had them, also svo tailights were cobra lol
I love svos. My brother had one back in the day. A local guy had one running 10s in the 90s fully built.
@@GearHead704 looking at the 4 cylinder on the engine stand was hard to believe it was making 500hp. Guy had a supra too
I answered this several days ago, but TH-cam is being weird on responding to some comments. Wow that's awesome he had one built like that.
I like the custom interior work MrAutoMotif came up with. Can't wait to see what he does for the armrest!
I answered this several days ago, but TH-cam is being weird on responding to some comments. I agree, I can't wait either.
I bought a black one new in 85 and unfortunately everything went wrong with that car. It was in the shop all the time but it was still under factory warranty. Ended up trading it in on a black 87 GT with Ttops and I never looked back.
That is what you call a GREAT trade up.
I’m starting to take a liking to those SVO’s because they are something different and becoming extremely rare in my neck of the woods. Great video as always🙌🏼🏁
Yeah they are getting harder to find for sure. Thanks Paul!
❤️SVO🐎
Thanks for the video!
Thanks for watching!
Hey great update on that SVO definitely looks like a fun car with the mods that are done to it.
I really used to hate them when I was younger the only thing I cannot stand about them still is that double stack Wing and I'm not much for how far the headlights sit back from the marker lights I know it changes and I believe 86 but other than that those cars came with some great features especially for back then... I'm really wanting a turbo coupe T-Bird but haven't been able to find one I want to get one for my daughter she wants a fox and I feel a little safer with her in a bigger car it just seems a little heavier and more solid for a first driver. it would be a fun driving project for us! (and I think it would be a lot cheaper than the 69 Chevelle that she really wants lol) someday 1 will be in my collection 68/69 is a dream car I had a 68 chevelle&69Elcamino and I let go when I was 19&24 SMH 😢🥺
I answered this several days ago, but TH-cam is being weird on responding to some comments. Appreciate you watching as always Shifty. It was geat to get MrAutoMotif's car back on the channel.
I've owned a lot of cars. Alot. No car gets more attention than a clean, straight, low milage SVO. Hands downs. Just put new esslinger auxlery shaft in my 84 57,000 runs like a new one now. Amazing. All original DA!. Need rims polished be great. Mettalic gray. Out of Phoenix. Would not take less than 26,000. Well worth it.
That's awesome! I love the SVO
I love the 85.5-86 SVOs. My dad has had a lot of them. My favorite was the canyon red. Or sage green. I’ve only seen sage green 84s though.
@@GearHead704 I saw a sage green 5.0 coupe once. That had to have been pretty rare.
@@justaburgscousin wow yup.. Got a video on my channel with one that's an SVO with a bywing delete
Dark Sage (4E) was a 1985 and 1986 only color, on the Mustang. In model year 1985 there were 32 SVOs (28 'early' 1985, 4 '1985.5') painted Dark Sage and in model year 1986 there were 15 SVOs painted Dark Sage.
@@foxchassis man, those 4 85.5 dark sage SVOs must be very valuable! I guess the dark sage SVOs I’ve seen pictures of were early 85s and not 84s.
Bloopers are still awesome!! Great video on svo.
I answered this several days ago, but TH-cam is being weird on responding to some comments. So glad you like them Mike and that you are still watching. Thanks man.
Btw, my belief is that the SVO was hated because it simply wasn't a 302. Same reason every other 4 or 6 cylinder Mustang was hated...because it wasn't a V8.
I agree.
same HP & about the same torque, with lot less weight
Idk... I was a teen in the early 80s. I don't remember hating the SVO.
What I did hate was seeing an "L" or an "LX" 2.3L with a 5.0 badge on the side, which was more common.
Hah hah, good points all around, I forgot about he badges. Yeah man I love the SVO's
Test drove an SVO when they were at the dealership near me.
Oh that's cool. I still haven't driven one.
Man I luv the 2.3 turbo am in the works of swapping a 88 tbird tc engine into my 90 notchback mustang man that’s the only car they forgot to put 2.3 turbo they even made a convertible gt turbo but sadly no coupe
Yeah that would've been awesome in the coupe.
I had a chance to purchase a SVO 7 yrs ago running! The guy only wanted 1,500 for it.. now I am regretting not getting it! It would be in garage next to my 88 GT vert right now. SMH.
I also had a chance to buy one around that time, I think for 5k, but it was low mileage and in great shape. I also regret not pulling the trigger 😩
Just wanted to say, love the new intro, I meant to comment on it the last couple of times, That said the SVO is
really nice (early) model Foxbody, they did take from the SVO when they made the 87 & later GT with ground
affects, split with 5.0 LX models. The fact was the SVO was close to the same price as the GT model with V8
or turbo 4cyl., more so people picked the V8 GT model. Oh yeah what up with Fox Chamber??
Thanks, It was actually and older intro that I hadn't used for a long time, but I like it too. You're right that the SVO did impact a lot of the later FoxBody's built. The Fox Chamber put up a very funny video recently. Apparently I'm in the FoxBody illumanati! LOL
My favorite Foxbody it was ahead of its time. Everybody thinks bigger is better v8 it's not so.
I answered this several days ago, but TH-cam is being weird on responding to some comments. Yeah it's way cool.
same HP, near same torque & lighter as 5.0
I wish Ford would bring back out the Svt Contour Rwd and Awd this time with the 2.3 or 2.5 6spd would be nice also the Probe Mazda 2.3 Awd or Rwd drive and a Handling package and easy to tune.
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I love my 92 calypso green 2.3l hatch mustang 5spd definitely makes that car
Nothing wrong with those 2.3's. They can be a lot of fun too and certainly cool cars.
I like the svo,I think it was ahead of it's time in my opinion. Ford was definitely experimental in those days. Great content as usual!👈💯
I answered this several days ago, but TH-cam is being weird on responding to some comments. I totally agree with you!
@@GearHead704 Thanks Gearhead 704! I love your channel and your family! Super solid guy(and Gal) lol!
I bought an SVO in Dec 1984. It had to be towed to the dealer one week after purchase.
It was in the shop for forty out of the first 90 days I owned it. I PAID to rent a car for those 40 days.
I got rid of it the next spring. I only buy Hondas or Toyotas now.
Great to drive ( when running ). Over 30 mpg. I still hate Fords.
i have an svo with an ls swap love it!
I bet that is a lot of fun.
All Foxbody’s are great cars in my opinion I love them all
Well said.
Nice video! Big things coming to Tar Heel fox? Turbo? ;-)
LOL, nothing that exciting Frank. It was great to see you called out on the Fox Chambers video by the way.
I'm 53 yrs old, I've had fox bodies since 1986 . Yes they were all brand new. SVOs were fast , and they were not cheap to buy. These SVOs were respected on the road
Very cool you had new ones, as I never got that chance.
@@GearHead704 I enjoy watching your channel and the enthusiasm that you have. I am trying to get to Foxtober fest this year to meet you and brew2l. I'm rocking a 7up. 💯🇺🇲
Awesome! Hope you make it.
@@GearHead704 , 🐎👍💯🇺🇲
i bought my 85 1/5 competition prep SVO for $13,800. not all that much more than late 84 GT i bought new. The Ford dealer i got SVO from wanted to renegotiate the price up after ordering it by $800. I said "NOPE", as i waved the P&S contract in their face. P.S. they had 10 buyers waiting to buy it as it sat in their lot while getting prepped for delivery. I sold my SVO 2 years later with 25 K mi....for $16K cash (try that with a GT back then). I was the ONLY one to ever sell out of a lease at one of the biggest Ford dealers in the area
One thing for sure that is one straight foxbody with the 4 cylinder the bodies twists in the 5.0 liters that engine looks tiny in there !
Definitely a lot more room in the engine bay for sure.
Im still here champ
Appreciate it Jay C. I already replied to this, but TH-cam didn't post it for some reason.
@@GearHead704no problem champ youtube be doing crazy stuff
SVO guys can commiserate with AOD guys and the vert gang as they are all somewhat unloved. Since I have an AOD vert that I love I can join right in feeling the pain. ;)
I answered this several days ago, but TH-cam is being weird on responding to some comments. I agree, no lover for AOD, vert, and SVO for sure.
I can appreciate the SVOs for sure.. they made V8 power when people started to think V8s were ready to be extinct
That's 100% true Adam
Yea, not a lot of talk about the SVO.
@@GearHead704 yea, hahaha........wait a minute?!?
@@thefoxchamber 🤣
I always liked the SVO, I think people don’t like the headlights
Yes, that's the number one complaint I hear.
I want those side spats for my 93 coupe!
I saw another coupe with them, and it looked good.
@@GearHead704 Real ones are VERY difficult to obtain and even if one could get reproductions, the rocker trim and mounting bits have to be aquires as well.
I love all Foxbody's! 🦊🤍
💯 percent buddy
Maybe it's the recessed lights or the wheels? I don't know... You're right, the SVO isn't my favorite Fox. Just looks Wonky. I know it performs very well though
Yeah, for what it was at the time I was great, but the v8 is definitely preferred by many.
@@GearHead704 it's more the looks than what it's equipped with under the hood... At least for me.
@Brett Yarborough Ive thought about converting the flush headlights to the recessed as well. I just think the recessed look slightly more aggressive
There were debates at Ford wether to put a V6 or 4 cylinder in the SVO but they wanted to do something to really impress the automotive industry so in went the 2.3 Turbo. The automotive press repeatedly noted the very unbalanced 2.3 and Ford did nothing to fix it. My brother had a standard 2.3 in a 79 Fairmont. I drove an SVO at a car auction in 1995 and in my opinion it’s a terribly unbalanced engine that often doesn’t even make it to 100,000 miles before it needs a turbo or a complete engine rebuild. So when I bought a Pace Car in 1987 I got a V8.
I've seen many svo go very far with normal maintenance, not to mention they can handle lots of power and have an awesome oiling system.
The 2.3 turbo had been in mustangs way before the svo so they had things ironed out very well by the time 1984 came around.
Interesting, I hadn't heard that myself. I know some guys build them for big power.
Yeah that 2.3 engine is an old design. I thought I read somewhere it was a German designed engine. They were put in the Ford Capris made in Europe. The Merkur XR4ti’s had them. I graduated in 1985 and in the 1980’s I religiously read anything Ford I could find in magazines.
What makes me shake my head going on Facebook forums and mention things like the rare 1984-3/4 Mustang GT which had a 205hp engine, different T-5 transmission ratios, different size sway bars and a few other tweaks specific to it but different than the 1985 GT and also different than earlier 1984 GT’s,,, and other members of the group who are know it all’s say I’m making it up. The 1984-3/4 Mustang GT 302 that had a 5 speed manual was very close to the 1985 GT 5 speed engine minus the roller cam.
@@MustangsTrainsMowers if you think about it though the 302 is an even older design appearing in the 60s the 2.3 didn't come around untill the 70s and died in the 90s.
But the 2.3 has a cult following I swapped my 79 pace car with an 85 svo drivetrain when I was in highschool and it was a fun car compared to the carb 2.3 turbo engine.
I had a buddy with an ssp coupe and I'd walk that car everytime whether from a roll or a stop.
That 2.3 will never have the following that the 302 has. I’m sure that when you rebuilt a 2.3 have a machine shop balance it and it would run smoother. If I had an SVO I’d consider a roller cam 351w swap but Minnesota is getting the stupid California emissions standards in a few years. Our Governor Tim Walz is a moron.
I thought verts were the most hated? Lol just playin!!
LOL, they ain't far behind.
@@GearHead704 I'm just kidding my first fox was a vert. I prefer the hatch but hey, I'm just glad they made verts, lx, gt, hatch, notch, t tops, sunroof. There's a little of everything for anyone's taste.
NO V-8 in an SVO. 2.3 turbo is perfect match, has same HP as 5.0, 49 / 51 balance. endless fun in a cool AF package. change timing on dash, adjustable 6 koni red shocks, 50 series tires, 16" lug centric rims, functional ground affects, dual wing spoiler & hood scoop, 140 MPH speedo (has tags over 85 MPH), hurst short throw shifter, 4 wheel disc brakes, leather wrapped steering wheel, E brake handle, leather or cloth seats options, ALL SVOs are 5 spd, premium radio etc...
Yes, I love the SVO's, cool Fox's for sure.
I would trade my 5.0 for an svo anyday!
Impressive, not many would say that.
@@GearHead704 there are way more GTs than SVOs. Plus I used to have a Merkur xr4ti and was a fun car.
It only takes driving an SVO once lol
In my opinion #1 most hated fox body is any with an LS swap. #2.1980-82 Tbird aka box bird. It reminds me of a brick you throw at seagulls. #3 Granada. SVO isn't even in the top 10 worst. However all 4cyl mustangs sit lower in the hierarchy but still think any SVO ranks higher than a 4cyl Automatic vert, aka the parts car.
Definitely not much love for LS swaps, but surprisingly still a lot of those too. I agree SVO is not the most hated.
SVOs had lincoln continental control arms...
Cool, didn't konw that.
In my opinion, this isn’t a bad svo. I think the early sn svo are by far worse. These days anyway. Maybe when they first came out, they caught hell.
Hey dude! I think they are much more appreciated today.
@@GearHead704 no they were much more back in the day. i remember bringing my new 85 1/2 comp prep to a 'run what you bring day' at eping speedway... i was too late to get a number until i told em what i had lol. when i got back to the car there was a big crowd around it, they asked me many questions about SVO... that never happened with my new late 84 GT lol
i love the SVOs, best seats ever in a fox body, factory Recaros. not bagging on his car, but SVOs have ugly wheels, and ugly headlights, i think thats what kinda turned people off that didnt know what they were. its wierd. those cars with just a few mods easily out perform a stock 5.0 fox. i really liked them back in the day with the dual rear spoilers.
I think you're right, for a lot it's the headlights
Factory 'sport' seats, since model year 1983, were made my Lear Siegler (LSI). Last year for factory Recaro seats in the Mustang was 1982.
@@foxchassis not in the SVO.
Yes, even the SVO had LSI seats. They were not Recaros. I have tags from SVO seats. All of them say LSI.
@@foxchassis while technically being correct, they are different from standard mustang seats of the day having thier own unique upholstry and unique padding and foam that are SVO only. everyone thinks they are recaros, and i doubt anyone knows or cares anything about Lear seating outside of maybe Detroit and my cousin Dave who works there.
The styling is my biggest complaint. The front fascia looks like a person with a larger nose and a weak chin, which is why the Saleens looked so good with the added air dam. The spats are a poor substitute for full-length skirts. Suspension and brakes were far ahead of the 5.0, given the limitations of the 4-link. The buzz is that Ford was developing a 16-valve head for the 1987 model year but shelved the idea. Too bad because it would have been amazing.
Wow, I had no idea about that head, and YES that would have been awesome!
You’re constantly repping mike with the shirts. Trying to win that yellow Saleen just like me.
You know it! Although I wouldn't mind the C6Z06 either.
Clean car, but he should vinyl wrap the corner lights black. They stand out to much compared to the whole car.
I agree that would be cool.
Imagine if Ford came out with a New SVO right now Rwd and Awd only with a 6Spd Tremec that handles like a lotus Elise with Honda Civc tuning and aftermarket support. This Mustang would sell like Hotcakes just being honest and Ford Knows it
Man it would be a blast.
I just think its ugly….thats about it. I love the fox body but that front end kills it for me. Not to mention those hideous factory wheels! It does have its good points and being 5 lug you have a ton of wheel options.
I answered this several days ago, but TH-cam is being weird on responding to some comments. 5 lug is definitely cool.
Definitely enjoy having all the additional wheel options.
SVO was made to compete with 3 Series BMW, has a euro treatment which is cool af & refined
I like the SVO. Just not a fan of the headlight
I answered this several days ago, but TH-cam is being weird on responding to some comments. Many don't like the headlights for sure.
which ones?
I don't hate them, I just never cared for the look of the SVO's. The double rear spoiler, the recessed headlights, and the Mercedes-looking wheels.
I answered this several days ago, but TH-cam is being weird on responding to some comments. Many agree, I like the headlights myself.
@@GearHead704 Yeah, I've noticed a lot of weird things going on with the comments too.
Ford leadership ensured that the SVO wouldnt be a success by not allowing the SVO to have more horsepower than the 5.0.
I've got to agree with this.
The huge price difference for a SVO over a GT was a deal breaker as well.
You should take his advice and start a family like channel with your wife
I answered this several days ago, but TH-cam is being weird on responding to some comments. We really have thought about it actually. Maybe after Foxtoberfest this year.
I like the svo…tail lights.
Me too, i'm glad they basically used them for the 93 cobra. Just a little different on the color.
SVO taillights were / are very nice. Infact we used pin striping to make my new 1986 GT to look like them.
Notice I said Tried ! 💯🇺🇲
Probably because the owners group (forum) were a bunch of tools. Actually thought they could yell you what to do with your car.
I've heard that about them. What a great way to embrace people interested I'm their cars ugh. I hate the forum's.
FrankenSN95
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Because it's ugly!!!😂
All in all Ford hit the target in the performance/ turning department with the SVO. Of course that was many years back. I'm a new edge dude. I have a mustang gt that is around 20 years newer than the svo. The gt handles like crap on turning compared to a vette around the same year. My point is mustangs were a one trick pony back then. Even 20 years later they still were. The new edge mach 1 was probably the first year of some ok handling. I believe it had the same brand of upgraded shocks as the svo. I like the svo...I'd take it over the fox gt. I did own a fox gt and never could get use to it being mine. The giant headlights was probably the biggest flaw to the looks in my book. I think the svo interior and wheels were nicer than gt... apples to apples 84 vs 84 year models. History can't be changed... the masses only loved the v8 mustang. I appreciate all cars and makes though. I almost bought an svo about 2 years ago. Maybe I should try again since most people don't want them... don't change my mind about the facts that are upgrades on the svo.
I think the SVO's can still be had for a bargain. Definitely try and pick one up.
Probably because they took all the good parts that they could have put on the GT, a V8, rear drive car and wasted it on a car that didn't cater to core Mustang enthusiasts. THEN, to add insult to injury, when they discontinued it, they didn't transfer all those nice goodies over to the GT. Can you imagine a GT with a turbocharger, 5 lugs and 4 wheel disc brakes? What could have been....Yeah, still haven't forgiven Ford for that one....
That would have been LEGENDARY. A Vette contender, and for all intents and purposes, FASTER. Grand National? No contest.. Damn you, Ford, I still to this day think we were cheated out of a GREAT combination...Ford should make Mustangers whole and send us the parts for free, 😂
I answered this several days ago, but TH-cam is being weird on responding to some comments. That would have been so cool to have a GT put together like that.
sadly too many GT guys robbed parts from SVOs for their boring GT
I like them but would never want to own one !!!!!!
I answered this several days ago, but TH-cam is being weird on responding to some comments. I might want one for my kids.
If they sound like a v8 but they dont.
Hey Chris, no they sure don'g have that sound that's for sure.
I'd bet lx convertible is hated more
I answered this several days ago, but TH-cam is being weird on responding to some comments. You might be right.
What's to hate about an older convertible muscle or pony car? They traditionally bring more money in the collector car market and can give a pleasurable driving experience.
SVO means SLOW
Anything that I think is a hot rod, rat rod sports car,if it dont have a v8 or bigger..then it's a grocery getter family car...I prefer SIT DOWN..SHUT UP..AND HOLD ON...not let's go to Walmart hunny.
Just because it isn't a v8 don't mean it isn't fast. These things had potential could easily put down 300+ to the tires with fairly simple mods or about the same as an old 302 wkth a decent heads cam and intake package. Also these were more built towards handling they had 4 wheel discs and larger wheels and they weigh less and have better weight balance so for a car built for the twisties its actually a good starting point. Not every build is built for drag racing although they can be very respectable there. Im not saying I would rather have one over a v8 mustang but I'd def like to have one in addition to some v8 mustangs if I could.
Many share that opinion especially in a FoxBody
Well said. I still really like the turbo 2.3 as well
So the latest 6 digit Ford GT that has a twin turbo V6 is not a sports car, but a grocery getter? And the new Supra, Z car, and Porshe 911? LOL
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Again DV? You're killing it lately buddy. Thanks
Lack of V8, ugly wheels, ugly headlamps. Not a fan.
I think that is pretty common on the reasons. The v8 is it for many for sure. I used to not like them, but they've grown on me.
I like anything Foxbody Matt lol.
Ofcourse I would never keep the 4 cylinder engine.
You have so much wasted potential in it then. You can hit 250-260 on stock SVO parts without bumping injectors. And get around 300 after that. Very underrated
@@DominatorGarage nah man if it don't got a v8 it can't be quick! Impossible! Lol. I don't understand these guys that are like only v8 anti everything else.
@@midnight347 I know, Most of them don't know shit about it, In comparison even back then the SVO was a cheaper Choice for High HP mods, Hell now they are dirt cheap if all you want is to go fast. Love them. The v8 has a iconic sound sure. But the SVO is arguably faster stock for stock
I do like anything FoxBody too! I would love to get an SVO for my kids.
@@GearHead704 My son drove my 86 SVO throughout high school (7 years ago) and half way through college, all with 19lb of boost from a hybrid T3/T4 and ported head!
SVO are junk
I answered this several days ago, but TH-cam is being weird on responding to some comments. Many think that for sure.
NOPE just the opposite, they were awesome cars in every way