You're making 2 MAJOR mistakes with this card - Ashes of the Fallen - Disa the Restless Upgrade MH3
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- Ashes of the Fallen is an excellent upgrade for Disa the Restless from Graveyard Overdrive (Modern Horizons 3), but players keep making this mistake with the card. Let's fix that!
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I think the name of the video and the explanation made us think ashes of the falling was being used wrong WITH Disa. But instead you mean it is being used wrong in other decks? It was a bit confusing
I appreciate the feedback and your taking the time to do so.
I'm a team of 1 and I don't have access to A/B testing just yet so I kinda just have to shoot my shot 😅 You'll probably see the title change over the next few hours as I try to rework it.
Again, I appreciate you taking the time to comment. Knowing what people like is easy, knowing what they didn't like is a lot harder.
@@attackoncardboard I understand it's not easy and I just want to help you if I can cause i find your videos interesting and useful. Keep doing this content, we apreciate it!
I understand what you are trying to say but you should work on clarifying wording and trying to use simpler wordings with a few more examples. Still thumbs up
Appreciate the feedback and taking the time to do so.
So I know for next time, are you able to tell me which parts of the video you find confusing?
As for examples, the 2 examples I gave are the most commonly made mistakes with the cards. I don't know what other examples I could provide without repeating myself.
So if im understanding, based off your two examples, disa actually doesnt work with ashes of the fallen?
Disa does. The first example I showed with Disa is correct. She has a triggered ability that triggers and checks when the card is in the Graveyard, which is where Ashes is active.
Mistake 1 and mistake 2 are the mistakes.
Correct me if im wrong that I might have misunderstood, so Ashes & Disa's trigger ability work in a sense that it dosent require to check whether the creature card moving from library to GY is a Lhurgoyf?
But when casting certain creature type from GY require type checking, and Diregraf also checking if the creature move from battlefield to GY is zombie or not. However in this case Disa check if it lhurgoyf when the card is in GY?
Disa's triggered ability triggers and checks when the card is *in the graveyard*, all it looks for is "did the card end up here from any where that is not the battlefield and it's a Gofy?".
Where as the others all check the card at moments when it's not in the graveyard, so Ashes doesn't apply.
@@attackoncardboard hypothetically, if we replace "from anywhere other than the battlefield" into "from library", then does it check the creature type that it was before moving from library to GY?
Because it's a triggered ability, it doesn't trigger till the permanent hits the graveyard, so it's still works.
Can you then "Attempt" to cast a non-knight spell that becomes a knight with AOTF and Haakon and trigger any "enter the graveyard" effects like Syr Conraad the Grim?
'Fraid not. You don't put the card from the stack back into the GY, the game literally rewinds to the point just before you put the spell onto the stack.
@@attackoncardboard Awh riiight, time travel
I'm confused, does this artifact work with jund gisa or not?
Ashes of the Fallen works with Disa exactly how I describe in the opening of the video.
Yeah it works with disa seem cares about lhurgoyf cards going from library to your graveyard so she see it’s got that creature type when in there so she move to battlefield
3:26 Time Travel is an actual rule/mechanic in mtg, you can’t attribute 603.10 to “time travel” because time travel is rule 701.54
😂
i now have a question towards the rulings to tokens.
since mh3 brought us, i think, two tokens that have a mana value, how much does it really matter for the token to have a mana value outside of the removals & bounces that need something to be of a certain mana value.
as far as i rember tokens that get thrown into a hand get "destroyed" so even if those are thrown into your hand you couldn't cast them cause they would vanish into the eldrazi home turf of exile
It also looks like we're getting tokens with mana costs in Bloomburrow too.
Technically, tokens with mana costs already exists. If you create a token copy of clone, clone copied mana values too. But you're right, it didn't really impact the game outside of spells that check for CMV.
Doesn't it count for devotion?
Also, i thought every time you make a token copy of a permanent, it copied the mana value too. This topic could deserve its own video maybe
And token doesnt get destroyer when leasing the battlefield they go to the zone (graveyard, hand etc) but cease to exist after
@@mateumitjans5281 Completely forgot about Devotion! Yes, tokens having a cost will impact this.
A few people mentioned being more specific and clarifying what you mean. I understood what you were saying but those two examples feels like they arent relevant to Disa. If anything, it almost feels like youre saying Ashes doesnt work with Disa with the way the video was framed. I think you should have pointed out the difference between Disa's ability compared to Gisa and Geralf when you gave your first example and why Disa DOES work while Gisa and Geralf doesnt. Or maybe made the video based on Gisa and Geralf and other cast from graveyard cards instead of Disa, since those two mistakes seems like they dont apply to Disa at all.
Keep doing what youre doing though! I still learned something once I understood what you meant.
I clearly missed the mark with the packaging and framing of this video. I've taken on everyone's feedback and I hope the next video will be much clearer with my intentions.
I appreciate you taking the time to comment. Feedback, good or bad is important 🙂
So jund “I play big creatures and smash face” players are playing the combo correctly while all the others aren’t. 😂
Ashes is basically a card that, due to rules changes, lost a good chunk of functionality. As it used to work with things like Haakon. (though it never worked with dies triggers or the like, because the creature would already need to be in the graveyard to count)
I heard the changes came about due to an official livestream involving Garruk's Horde and the land with morph.
The horde said you may cast creature "cards" from the top, yet the judge gave the okay that the land could be cast. There was a clear distinction between creature cards, creature spells, and creature permanents already in the rules. Judges are people too, they can be wrong. The problem is that rather than admit it, they changed the rules
3:40 grizzly beh died?
yes?
@@attackoncardboard I just loled at the way you said it... it didn't sound like your normal, worldly British accent lol
My accent has been through the ringer. Born and lived in the UK for 15 years, lived in New Zealand for 15 years and now I live in Australia 😂
@attackoncardboard it's better than mine... my accent is backwoods hillbilly. No one has ever heard my voice and thought, 'now theres a guy who knows some things and been to some nice places...'
Smash.
The like button right? Right?
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Informative video, the "Stack is it's own zone" is brand new information to me, and knowing about the weird results of that is interesting and makes some cards make more sense than they did.
That said, I'm trying to figure out how Ashes works WITH Disa now.
Is the order:
Card Enters Graveyard
Is now Lhurgoyf.
Disa Checks if card that entered graveyard was Lhurgoyf
Card is currently Lhurgoyf
Trigger resolves
I'm relatively new to Magic, and though my reading comprehension is quite good, and I'm able to puzzle out some weird cards given a moment to figure out what they're doing, the more esoteric timing stuff is something of a mystery to me, and State-based actions confuse me.
You hit the nail on the head. Disa has a triggered ability which triggers once the card is in the graveyard which is where Ashes takes effect.
I run and am in the process of finishing a Zask, skittering swarm lord deck. My day was ruined when I found out ashes wouldn't let me cast non insects from my graveyard due to the exact ruling you described...
Ah! I missed Zask from my examples, I thought I named all the "cast X creature type from your graveyard" cards!
@@attackoncardboard for some reason I decided he'd be my first commander deck, definitely one with no weird rules interactions right?.... Right?
Definitely not:
Grist the hunger tide replay able from the graveyard and not getting put on bottom of library.
A changeling tribal instant replay able from the graveyard repeatedly (nameless inversion)
Infinite recursion on a green creature if sacrificed (verdant succession)
Zask does work with Conspiracy, tho
I can confirm I did learn something from this video. that not only did I rewind some sections of this video, but the Magic rules do a similar thing. Man I love this game! Great video!
-James
Thanks for stopping by! ☺️
Hope you enjoy the other videos!
None of the examples you gave have anything to do with Disa. So not sure what your point was exactly? It was a misleading title and had nothing to do with how Disa and Ashes of the Fallen DO work, while other interactions with it DO NOT. :/
Yup. I missed the mark on the packaging of this video. It's been duely noted and I'll keep this in mind for the next video.
I appreciate you taking the time to comment 🙂
So because Disa doesn't actually let you CAST from the graveyard, it can work with Ashes because the Stack is not involved. Does this count as a "replacement effect"?
Disa is a triggered ability (when, whenever, at). The ability checks once the card is in the graveyard, which is where Ashes takes effect 🙂
Replacements effects are denoted by "If", "instead" and "As".
I learned something from that, thx
Great to hear! I hope you enjoy the rest of the content 😄
This is the same reason you can't cast adventures from permanents with muldrota, but you can with Kess, Dissident mage.
So creature cast from the grave would trigger Tormod, the Desecrator even if the spell was countered since it went from grave to the stack?
Simply put: it’s not quite a Maskwood or Conspiracy. It does help somewhat though ;).
BRO I can't even focus on the vid hearing the music from OG Ape Escape in the background around 1:47 Brought me back man, thanks :D Just chilling in the station...
Timestation is my favourite "Hey listen, I'm about to say something important" music 😅
Clicked on the video thinking I was wrong for trying to put this in my Disa deck, but it turns out I was using it all right the whole time lol.
Yeah, I screwed up the packaging on this one... 😅
Why is Disa mentioned in this video at all? If the problem is that it is being played wrong in Gisa and Geralf decks then say that. No reason to address the synergy with Disa if it causes no issue.
I missed the mark on this video, I had an idea in mind and for some reason I couldnt let go of it even though it was blatantly obvious the script didnt flow. The information is still correct, which is why I've left it up.
So Ashes doesnt work with disa? Because when the fcreartures are put into the graveyard they are no lhurgoyfs?
Ashes does work with Disa. It's the other examples that players play incorrectly.
After publishing this video, I've realised I've made the title/video confusing. The information in the video is still correct, so I've left it up.
Does Mortuary and Altar of Dementia loop if you're sacrificing a Lhurgoyf with Disa in play?
Sure does. Goyf hits the bin before the Altar trigger resolves. Mortuary gets triggered. Put the Goft on top, resolve Altar, Disa puts the Goyf into play. Just need to find a way to win with this loop.