I went to Alcoholics Anonymous for years. I stopped going about a year ago I was tired of feeling judged for saying my higher power is Jesus Christ my Lord and savior. I’m still sober and have freed up about 10 extra hours a week to spend at church, in prayer or with my family. I have met others that it works for I guess it’s ok if you want a door knob or a seagull as your higher power. I will always continue to pray for and help others who are struggling with addiction. Amen
I call 🐴💩 on this comment. I have been to hundreds of AA and NA meetings. No one was EVER reviled for acknowledging Jesus as their higher power, nor were they lokked down upon in the least. On the contrary, addicts are some of the most tolerant and accepting people on the planet. Xtians are NOT persecuted in the US.
Really?? Yet he does not put out the California fires or stop people from starving to death?? Yet he zeros in with his magical powers just on you?? Smh. You just swapped one addiction for another. You swapped the bottle for the dopamine hit of religion
Me too, HE delivered me from drink. It had nothing to do with AA. So boring, half the meetings are taken up by reading the steps/traditions and on other things that everyone knows, or can read for themselves.
My mom was in "the program." I attended hundreds of meanings by the time i was an adult. Although there is a lot of talk of higher power and serenity, there is no such thing as victory in recovery. Its 100% a cult. The biggest difference is that instead of promising heaven, it promises sobreity. I think it's great that it helps people stay sober, but it's tragic that it keeps people from knowing the one true living God.
Statistically it doesn't help people stay sober. It's a place people who have already decided on their own to be sober go and give something else the credit
@janefrericks8488 good point. Like I said I went to meeting for years and I saw people come and go and come and go like a revolving door. Yet they insist that it works if you work it.
@dmt02459 AA is following a religion made up by Bill and Bob. Most religions are voluntary. The only difference between it and typical cults is that it has no living leaders. But it has its own holy book, it's own creed (though it says it doesn't), it's own prophets, punishment for those that leave (ostracized as being "in denial" that they're a dry drunk with no evidence for this). Challenging the authority of the group and it's doctrine is not tolerated thus it's authoritarian. It victim shames and makes scape goats "if you are disturbed it is your fault". Typical cult automaton stuff
@@dmt02459 How is water wet? What could be described as wet is merely a measure of surface tension. When water is exposed to a temperature below 32 degrees fahrenheit or 0 degrees celsius it is no longer wet. So why would we describe water as wet if the conditions to meet said wetness aren't universal? Also on planets much cooler than ours the water never has a chance to achieve this wetness and in fact the majority of all water in the universe is not wet. Therefore water is not "wet" at all and "wetness" as a whole seems to be some sort of arbitrary social construct designed by primitive man.
This is 110% a cult. When I was battling a heroin addiction, at one point I found myself in a rehabilitation center run by this outfit. There were a few alcoholics there, but 8/10 were opiate abusers like myself. They take your phone, seems sensible enough. It gets weird when you learn you're entitled to no books, no reading material, not even THE BIBLE! just the weird, creepy 12 step program story.. this was ALL you were allowed to read. In meetings, as a heroin addict, you were required to introduce yourself not as such, but as a 'cross addicted alcoholic', this was some weird, sacred rule.. it was all bad. By the grace of God I quickly realized I would leave worse off than I arrived and demanded to be let go. They isolate you at this point, still holding your phone, and dump you at the nearest bus station before returning your belongings. It was Jesus Christ, who finally cured me when I turned to him for help. The worst part was hearing these weirdos call God, " good orderly direction," unabashed blasphemy.
I wasn't expecting a video on this at all, I always just assumed it was some social program to help alcoholics. Thank you for the work you do, blessings from England
I did not expect this video to come across my feed this morning , and such a gift of freedom it brings after Soooo many years . I am 38 years sober and I only have the first 15 years to that ' program ' * gave . after those 15 years if I didn't plant my britches in a church basement three times each day every day I was told I'm not doing my ' program ' , I do not believe I need to sit with people who crab about what they can't do bc they are an alcoholic , and I refuse to engage or even hear gossip as well I don't share private information , mine or anyone else's . Indeed I did discover that AA is a cult after 15 years . some did as I have and found a faith based group of other much kinder folks .. we are sober by God's grace and He is my higher power . for some reason I carry shame that I've been ostracized and shunned by people I've known for many years , some my close acquaintances for many years . I know I did the appropriate thing for my self by choosing to call my higher power God . thank you for this video today , it's just what I needed .. God works in mysterious ways .
We just need One step believe on the LORD JESUS Christ and be Born again. New heart new mind new desires. New creature in Christ. By the FATHER SON SPIRIT. The Gospel is the ONLY thing any one needs. JESUS set me free from addiction. All Glory to the TRUE GOD JESUS
Thank you.Thank you.Thank you. I've said it for quite some time. And as a "recovered alcoholic" AA has no place for a follower of Jesus Christ. The God of the universe would never make a man jump through 12 hoops to get, and stay sober. Jesus Christ delivered me from the love of alcohol. He did it all...
I was delivered from the love of alcohol the moment I said "I'm an alcoholic", which I was at that moment. People who come to that realization are already delivered but don't know it then give AA credit for maintaining their sobriety
@@samdizney9195 "alcoholic" and " alcoholism" are terms that Marty Mann used to convince the government that it was a disease. It's not. It's a behavior, brought on by numerous reasons. It's not even always an escape. Some people just enjoy the effects of alcohol. Some don't. Some like the taste of asparagus. Some don't. The fellowship in the beginning of sobriety is important. But, there isn't a disease doing push-ups in the parking lot. Some choose to stay away from it, some choose to go back, some choose to moderate. But, "Calling it a disease is nothing more than a doctors excuse for a relapse." -Jack Trimpey, author and founder of Rational Recovery
December 6th marked my 23rd anniversary of sobriety. I can assure you it had nothing to do with AA. I was sober 6 years before I ever went to a meeting. I only went then, because the state of Michigan demands it to get your driver's license back. 2 years and I was done. Trust God, not men
Thanks YT Algo. As A Believer,Child Of God Who Has Been Alcohol And Drug Free For Over 25 Years..I Had Always Thought..Well, It Might Turn Some To Christ? I Have A Close Friend..Got Sober ..Utilized AA..Went Back To School..Came To Christ..Works To This Day In a Treatment Center. Success! (Glory To God) I Guess He's An Anomaly . Very Detailed,Breakdown and Rxamination Of AA. I Wash Just Going To Leave It At That. Then You Turned To The Bible! Joy, So Thankful That This Was Done In a Classy,Straight Forward Fashion. And Ending With THE TRUTH,THE WAY,THE LIFE! Praise God! Now, I Have To Maybe Visit 1 Of My Presbyterian Brothers House Of Worship. I Always Thought You Cats Were A Bit Dry and Humorless. I Ask Your Forgiveness. Blessings
Unfortunately, most who call themselves Presbyterian in America today don't believe much of anything in the Bible. By God's grace, there are still a few of us who believe God's Word and Spirit can raise the dead to life. 🙂
My mother was in OA for decades. This cult took her time and energy and left me and my siblings emotionally neglected. By the way, in spite of being a very busy sponsor, she never lost the weight.
Ok...this is WEIRD! Just the other day, I walked to the store, and along the way I was thinking about stopping ALL beer drinking for health reasons...That got me thinking about AA...In the past, around 2002, I started going to AA because I was required to do so in order to live in supportive living (I was a recovering heroin addict at the time...Fyi, been clean since August 2003...These people are nuts! I got hit on all the time, and the experience was just terrible. I tried so many different groups, but they were pretty much all the same...I even told my family that AA was definitely a cult... Also, these people are sick...they gossip, take newcomers back out ...Of course, there were friends made at times, but overall, this group IS a cult...
Thanks a lot for this Jason, another video well researched. I'll have to re -listen to this soon, was listening to this while making food and missed some parts.
How come people don't use the 12 steps to quit smoking? I go to NA, AA, Smart Recovery and these old geezers are hacking and coughing away, talking about how AA saved their lives yet their lives are extremely unhealthy and they are miserable and dying from emphysema
I spent 2 decades working in live events, music festivals & concerts. They had AA meetings on site in the artist compound which I found very strange & inappropriate. There is a whole world of AA in music production. People were literally drinking & doing drugs a few feet away from the meetings. Also many people in that biz still end up with serious addiction problems & even end up losing their lives sometimes sadly despite the meetings. The very corporate companies in volved run non-profits where they offer "help" to those in the industry & have AA meetings for people which is all it takes to look legit, then then sell tickets to benefit shows for artists who are gone from their own addictions. I know of very few people who got any real help from any of it.
Wow is this timely for me given my son’s mother is an addict for this group and claims it’s Christian. Thanks so much Jason. I’ve benefited so much from your past programs, documentaries and interview sections sessions. I wish we could get James White over to our side as well as Justin Peters And others. Hope you get the chance to talk to them.
It was a atheist member of an early aa group in Philadelphia, who lobbied strongly to alter the wording of the third step, with a qualifier, "...God 'as I understand him' .." "A power greater than myself" This is a move towards humility, atheistic or not, a suggestion to step away from self will. "The root cause of our alcoholism was our inability to form a true partnership with another human being" "Self will run riot"
Im in recovery. Not really big into aa or na, but these things do help some people. I kind of think its a cult of quacks too and a bunch of old dried up drunks/junkies sniffing their own farts, but it still helps some people.
I agree that it can help some people get sober, but the recovery rate without the 12 steps is about the same. In spite of this, AA claims it's your only hope to get and stay sober. My biggest issue is that addiction is a symptom of a deeper problem that AA ignores - - we need to be reconciled to God through Jesus Christ.
@@ancientpathstv i agree with that 100% I'm on probation and in a sober house so I have mandatory meetings, luckily they don't force me to have a sponsor or work the steps and acknowledge that other routes work just as well and often for just as many people. Groups vary as drastically as ideologies and denominations, and many of the people I'm around in recovery claim Jesus alone saved them and the meetings are just a check in/reminder to stay on track. But several times in the past I've tried and this isn't the normal standard. I've had many groups and many people leave bad tastes in my mouth from their zealot borderline nazi beliefs. They usually seem like they're miserable and often times relapse. No surprise there. Some people find Jesus through anonymous groups, so it can't be all bad. It is, after all, a spiritual disease.
Very interesting picture presentation. I'm curious that you didn't me mention David Hawkins and his relationship with Bill Wilson. Can you please elaborate? I always found it interesting that they (allegedly) ran clinics to help people overcome sugar and candida, nutrient treatments and more. Any new insights would be appreciated. The book, The Doctor of Truth, covers this.
AA has been a miracle and has afforded a drastically improved, even wonderful life for millions of people for almost a century. If it's a cult, it's recommended that suffering alcoholics become cult members.
Am sorry but there is so much incorrect info in this film I'm 21 years clean and sober through Aa and the programme ...I tried many other things to get sober and aa was the only thing that worked. I have lived every fufuling life because of aa .... Aa only asks you to get a higher power into ur life and try and work the programme into your life It's not a cult And I believe it has the highest success rate out of all the rehabs and other therapies to stop drinking It's also now recognised and recommended by healthboards in the UK
You are are correct theresaparker. I smell a rat here. Why does he care so much if people get their lives together with AA? It's like he's trying to push people away from getting it together with demonic sounding A.I. Look at his answer to your comment. I love the last part about wine is God's gift to humanity & you should enjoy it too. This video reeks of evil.
Ditto Why all the negative comments 10 years sober nothing else could stop my drinking. I attend my home group once a week. Most individuals are kind and helpful I have only met a few individuals I didn't find genuine but that's to be expected when you meet lots of people. A higher power to me personally is Christ and the inner voice of my conscience which tells me what would be the right thing to do . AA is a simple program for complicated people ... I'm not to fussed what other people think but what I don't like is when people express thoughts and advice when they haven't been to AA because others might not get recovery because they listen to others and not by personal experience. Shall be at my home group on Tuesday. " A life beyond your wildest dreams". Free from the physical and mental obsession from alcohol ". 19:29
I used narcotics anonymous for years but never got clean then I found Judaism and I converted and became apart of the Jewish community and during that conversion I was able to get clean finally foe the first time in 20 years....... Clean for 7 years now and I love my life for the first time ever and I tried N.A. so many times but all the judgements and stuff never worked for me
I've been to many meetings in church buildings where I will also attend the church services. It's nightmarish stuff where the shiny people are upstairs, the addicts in the basement stuck in every manner of vice besides being drunk literally going around in circles for years with no word from those upstairs which would be a word end their endless circling around ie truth that actually sets you free instead confines you to the rest of your life to a church basement of filth. It's horrendous for church buildings to be used for AA as it would be for Freemason meetings or similar. Everyone is compromised. Children from the church are put at risk. The church ignoring the mission field in its own basement is problematic. They probably think AA helps people.
@@ancientpathstv yeah but the highest levels of anonymous groups you don't find out you've secretly been worshipping Satan the whole time. And there's a scripture for every step. These things were forced out to make it more appealing for antis and non conformists back in the day. How do you feel about Celebrate Recovery, the anon group they put God and the Bible back into?
@@nathanp5711 I'm a Presbyterian, so I understand what Reformed means, but in spite of having a few Biblical principles, A.A. is a restorationist cult.
I participate in the program. I'm an atheist, but there are other parts of the program I find valuable, mainly the fellowship. Can I stay sober without the group? Maybe. But I like the meetings and feel they help me stay sober. Hearing others reminds me I'm not alone. Also, the book has a lot of value, especially the chapter "The Doctors Opinion".
@ancientpathstv Thanks, I'll check it out. To me, the chapter really describes what happens to me when I drink. It's happened so many times in my life. When I read that chapter, I thought, "Yes! That's what happens to me." I've done tons of research, and nothing nailed my experience like that did. I also see many others go through the exact same thing.
@@ancientpathstv A program of recovery who hurt you !!! The Christian principles are appreciated by many love of man and caring for others are a good way to live a happy life. You can do this without joining a religion and church. They all have agenda usually involves taking your money.
You did what? Attend a lot of meetings with other sick people hoping to get "better"? Or did you get taken through the steps as laid out in the book Alcoholics Anonymous, have the obsession to drink removed and then take others through the same steps to freedom?
As a historian, I can tell you it Is accurate. In fact this video presents historical data that Is rarely known among the everyday people, I was surprised to see it uploaded.
@bradenglass4753 im no AA apologist but been to enough meetings to know that they dont suggest a door knob as a higher power. Most people joke about it and tell you not to do that. You misrepresented the modern fellowship horribly and this is coming from a person who left AA and went to Christ 10 years ago. As a Christian I'm telling you you're dishonest
And I did watch the whole video and your whole argument hinges on the fact thst they tried distance themselves from the Oxford group. Your video is a perfect example of why the early group decided to do that. Because they knew that non-critical thinkers from the church would persecute them. I don't know who died and left you Arbiter of Truth. I don't recall reading anything about it in the Bible.
@@Bizarreparade I'm not the one being dishonest, but you. The idea that your higher power can be a door knob is throughout AA literature. Here are just a few examples: aasfmarin.org/the-doorknob aaagnostica.org/2015/02/01/the-doorknob-deity/ aa-dc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/dNewReporterFeb2024-1.pdf I've also personally heard someone say they changed their higher power from a doorknob to a rock. Please be honest enough to retract your comment.
Up until the 40ith or so minute mark this was great, then you went all theological and 'godly', sort of. Ahh, I just noticed, you're affiliated with freakin 'Christian' church. Your credibility is shot, but the 40 minutes was still very good.
I went to Alcoholics Anonymous for years. I stopped going about a year ago I was tired of feeling judged for saying my higher power is Jesus Christ my Lord and savior. I’m still sober and have freed up about 10 extra hours a week to spend at church, in prayer or with my family. I have met others that it works for I guess it’s ok if you want a door knob or a seagull as your higher power. I will always continue to pray for and help others who are struggling with addiction. Amen
Yes! Same here!
@@karenhinson8002”Come out from amongst them...”
Same here.
No one was judging you because most 12 steppers are christian and believe in Jesus.
Amen
I call 🐴💩 on this comment. I have been to hundreds of AA and NA meetings. No one was EVER reviled for acknowledging Jesus as their higher power, nor were they lokked down upon in the least. On the contrary, addicts are some of the most tolerant and accepting people on the planet. Xtians are NOT persecuted in the US.
Im am no longer a drug addict. The only reason I was healed is because of mighty Jesus Christ and He freed me. I mean completely freed me.
Really?? Yet he does not put out the California fires or stop people from starving to death?? Yet he zeros in with his magical powers just on you?? Smh. You just swapped one addiction for another. You swapped the bottle for the dopamine hit of religion
Same here! AA is totally anti-Christ...
Praise God!
Me too, HE delivered me from drink. It had nothing to do with AA. So boring, half the meetings are taken up by reading the steps/traditions and on other things that everyone knows, or can read for themselves.
All Glory to Jesus 🙏
I'm a simple man. I see a new video from ancientpathstv, and i click on it. Truly one of TH-cam's hidden gems.
😂 same
My mom was in "the program." I attended hundreds of meanings by the time i was an adult. Although there is a lot of talk of higher power and serenity, there is no such thing as victory in recovery. Its 100% a cult. The biggest difference is that instead of promising heaven, it promises sobreity. I think it's great that it helps people stay sober, but it's tragic that it keeps people from knowing the one true living God.
Statistically it doesn't help people stay sober. It's a place people who have already decided on their own to be sober go and give something else the credit
@janefrericks8488 good point. Like I said I went to meeting for years and I saw people come and go and come and go like a revolving door. Yet they insist that it works if you work it.
@dmt02459 AA is following a religion made up by Bill and Bob. Most religions are voluntary. The only difference between it and typical cults is that it has no living leaders. But it has its own holy book, it's own creed (though it says it doesn't), it's own prophets, punishment for those that leave (ostracized as being "in denial" that they're a dry drunk with no evidence for this). Challenging the authority of the group and it's doctrine is not tolerated thus it's authoritarian. It victim shames and makes scape goats "if you are disturbed it is your fault". Typical cult automaton stuff
@@dmt02459 How is water wet?
What could be described as wet is merely a measure of surface tension.
When water is exposed to a temperature below 32 degrees fahrenheit or 0 degrees celsius it is no longer wet.
So why would we describe water as wet if the conditions to meet said wetness aren't universal?
Also on planets much cooler than ours the water never has a chance to achieve this wetness and in fact the majority of all water in the universe is not wet.
Therefore water is not "wet" at all and "wetness" as a whole seems to be some sort of arbitrary social construct designed by primitive man.
Aa does not keep anyone from knowing Jesus Christ.
I quit drinking after 30 years. I did it alone. I’m still sober. AA is a cult.
So you think you're better than us because you stopped drinking on your own will power??
@ yep.
@@cockyhemi so you think you're a bigger man than me or us??
This is 110% a cult. When I was battling a heroin addiction, at one point I found myself in a rehabilitation center run by this outfit. There were a few alcoholics there, but 8/10 were opiate abusers like myself. They take your phone, seems sensible enough. It gets weird when you learn you're entitled to no books, no reading material, not even THE BIBLE! just the weird, creepy 12 step program story.. this was ALL you were allowed to read. In meetings, as a heroin addict, you were required to introduce yourself not as such, but as a 'cross addicted alcoholic', this was some weird, sacred rule.. it was all bad. By the grace of God I quickly realized I would leave worse off than I arrived and demanded to be let go. They isolate you at this point, still holding your phone, and dump you at the nearest bus station before returning your belongings. It was Jesus Christ, who finally cured me when I turned to him for help. The worst part was hearing these weirdos call God, " good orderly direction," unabashed blasphemy.
I wasn't expecting a video on this at all, I always just assumed it was some social program to help alcoholics. Thank you for the work you do, blessings from England
A fresh voice.
I did not expect this video to come across my feed this morning , and such a gift of freedom it brings after Soooo many years .
I am 38 years sober and I only have the first 15 years to that ' program '
* gave .
after those 15 years if I didn't plant my britches in a church basement three times each day every day I was told I'm not doing my ' program ' , I do not believe I need to sit with people who crab about what they can't do bc they are an alcoholic , and I refuse to engage or even hear gossip as well I don't share private information , mine or anyone else's .
Indeed I did discover that AA is a cult after 15 years . some did as I have and found a faith based group of other much kinder folks .. we are sober by God's grace and He is my higher power .
for some reason I carry shame that I've been ostracized and shunned by people I've known for many years , some my close acquaintances for many years .
I know I did the appropriate thing for my self by choosing to call my higher power God .
thank you for this video today , it's just what I needed .. God works in mysterious ways .
We just need One step believe on the LORD JESUS Christ and be Born again. New heart new mind new desires. New creature in Christ. By the FATHER SON SPIRIT. The Gospel is the ONLY thing any one needs.
JESUS set me free from addiction. All Glory to the TRUE GOD JESUS
Yet there are millions of people who have tried to cure all sorts of maladies through prayer, often decades of praying.
Automatic writing is demonic.
Thank you.Thank you.Thank you. I've said it for quite some time. And as a "recovered alcoholic" AA has no place for a follower of Jesus Christ. The God of the universe would never make a man jump through 12 hoops to get, and stay sober. Jesus Christ delivered me from the love of alcohol. He did it all...
Thank you! Soli Deo Gloria!
I was delivered from the love of alcohol the moment I said "I'm an alcoholic", which I was at that moment. People who come to that realization are already delivered but don't know it then give AA credit for maintaining their sobriety
@@samdizney9195 "alcoholic" and " alcoholism" are terms that Marty Mann used to convince the government that it was a disease. It's not. It's a behavior, brought on by numerous reasons. It's not even always an escape. Some people just enjoy the effects of alcohol. Some don't. Some like the taste of asparagus. Some don't. The fellowship in the beginning of sobriety is important. But, there isn't a disease doing push-ups in the parking lot. Some choose to stay away from it, some choose to go back, some choose to moderate. But, "Calling it a disease is nothing more than a doctors excuse for a relapse." -Jack Trimpey, author and founder of Rational Recovery
Excellent research and presentation. Thank you for playing the actual recordings so there is no doubt these things were said.
December 6th marked my 23rd anniversary of sobriety. I can assure you it had nothing to do with AA. I was sober 6 years before I ever went to a meeting. I only went then, because the state of Michigan demands it to get your driver's license back. 2 years and I was done. Trust God, not men
There are many paths. Having one is what may count most.
Thanks YT Algo. As A Believer,Child Of God Who Has Been Alcohol And Drug Free For Over 25 Years..I Had Always Thought..Well, It Might Turn Some To Christ? I Have A Close Friend..Got Sober ..Utilized AA..Went Back To School..Came To Christ..Works To This Day In a Treatment Center. Success! (Glory To God) I Guess He's An Anomaly . Very Detailed,Breakdown and Rxamination Of AA. I Wash Just Going To Leave It At That. Then You Turned To The Bible! Joy, So Thankful That This Was Done In a Classy,Straight Forward Fashion. And Ending With THE TRUTH,THE WAY,THE LIFE! Praise God! Now, I Have To Maybe Visit 1 Of My Presbyterian Brothers House Of Worship. I Always Thought You Cats Were A Bit Dry and Humorless. I Ask Your Forgiveness. Blessings
Unfortunately, most who call themselves Presbyterian in America today don't believe much of anything in the Bible. By God's grace, there are still a few of us who believe God's Word and Spirit can raise the dead to life. 🙂
My mother was in OA for decades. This cult took her time and energy and left me and my siblings emotionally neglected. By the way, in spite of being a very busy sponsor, she never lost the weight.
Ok...this is WEIRD! Just the other day, I walked to the store, and along the way I was thinking about stopping ALL beer drinking for health reasons...That got me thinking about AA...In the past, around 2002, I started going to AA because I was required to do so in order to live in supportive living (I was a recovering heroin addict at the time...Fyi, been clean since August 2003...These people are nuts! I got hit on all the time, and the experience was just terrible. I tried so many different groups, but they were pretty much all the same...I even told my family that AA was definitely a cult... Also, these people are sick...they gossip, take newcomers back out ...Of course, there were friends made at times, but overall, this group IS a cult...
Do they gossip??
Thanks a lot for this Jason, another video well researched. I'll have to re -listen to this soon, was listening to this while making food and missed some parts.
How come people don't use the 12 steps to quit smoking? I go to NA, AA, Smart Recovery and these old geezers are hacking and coughing away, talking about how AA saved their lives yet their lives are extremely unhealthy and they are miserable and dying from emphysema
The Orange Papers are very informative, I wonder if they are still on the net.
They are still online and were a huge help.
I spent 2 decades working in live events, music festivals & concerts. They had AA meetings on site in the artist compound which I found very strange & inappropriate. There is a whole world of AA in music production. People were literally drinking & doing drugs a few feet away from the meetings. Also many people in that biz still end up with serious addiction problems & even end up losing their lives sometimes sadly despite the meetings. The very corporate companies in volved run non-profits where they offer "help" to those in the industry & have AA meetings for people which is all it takes to look legit, then then sell tickets to benefit shows for artists who are gone from their own addictions. I know of very few people who got any real help from any of it.
Buchman, Altman... bro. I've found faith but I simply can't ignore the patterns I notice every day.
Wow is this timely for me given my son’s mother is an addict for this group and claims it’s Christian. Thanks so much Jason.
I’ve benefited so much from your past programs, documentaries and interview sections sessions. I wish we could get James White over to our side as well as Justin Peters And others. Hope you get the chance to talk to them.
It was a atheist member of an early aa group in Philadelphia, who lobbied strongly to alter the wording of the third step, with a qualifier, "...God 'as I understand him' .." "A power greater than myself"
This is a move towards humility, atheistic or not, a suggestion to step away from self will. "The root cause of our alcoholism was our inability to form a true partnership with another human being" "Self will run riot"
Im in recovery. Not really big into aa or na, but these things do help some people. I kind of think its a cult of quacks too and a bunch of old dried up drunks/junkies sniffing their own farts, but it still helps some people.
I agree that it can help some people get sober, but the recovery rate without the 12 steps is about the same. In spite of this, AA claims it's your only hope to get and stay sober.
My biggest issue is that addiction is a symptom of a deeper problem that AA ignores - - we need to be reconciled to God through Jesus Christ.
@@ancientpathstv i agree with that 100% I'm on probation and in a sober house so I have mandatory meetings, luckily they don't force me to have a sponsor or work the steps and acknowledge that other routes work just as well and often for just as many people. Groups vary as drastically as ideologies and denominations, and many of the people I'm around in recovery claim Jesus alone saved them and the meetings are just a check in/reminder to stay on track. But several times in the past I've tried and this isn't the normal standard. I've had many groups and many people leave bad tastes in my mouth from their zealot borderline nazi beliefs. They usually seem like they're miserable and often times relapse. No surprise there. Some people find Jesus through anonymous groups, so it can't be all bad. It is, after all, a spiritual disease.
Amen 💯@@ancientpathstv
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@@samdizney9195 In Matthew 18:17, Jesus said.if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican."
Very interesting picture presentation. I'm curious that you didn't me mention David Hawkins and his relationship with Bill Wilson. Can you please elaborate? I always found it interesting that they (allegedly) ran clinics to help people overcome sugar and candida, nutrient treatments and more. Any new insights would be appreciated. The book, The Doctor of Truth, covers this.
There were many things I couldn't cover and keep this under an hour.
Love the channel. What other topics do we have to look forward to, Jason?
I'm currently working on The Patristic Roots of the Reformed Faith.
@@ancientpathstv oh that will be fantastic
Wow!! Excellent job 🙏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾. This was very clear and consise. You covered all the points. Thank you for this. You have helped me tremendously 🙏🏾.
Do you know where I can find more information on Sam Shoemaker?
Try searching in The Orange Papers.
Several of his books are available free at www.archive.org.
Read ‘To Slake a Thirst’ about Matt Talbot.
AA has been a miracle and has afforded a drastically improved, even wonderful life for millions of people for almost a century. If it's a cult, it's recommended that suffering alcoholics become cult members.
Did you watch the video?
Am sorry but there is so much incorrect info in this film
I'm 21 years clean and sober through Aa and the programme ...I tried many other things to get sober and aa was the only thing that worked.
I have lived every fufuling life because of aa ....
Aa only asks you to get a higher power into ur life and try and work the programme into your life
It's not a cult
And I believe it has the highest success rate out of all the rehabs and other therapies to stop drinking
It's also now recognised and recommended by healthboards in the UK
As shown in the comments, lots and lots of people who have been through the program disagree with you.
You are are correct theresaparker. I smell a rat here. Why does he care so much if people get their lives together with AA?
It's like he's trying to push people away from getting it together with demonic sounding A.I. Look at his answer to your comment.
I love the last part about wine is God's gift to humanity & you should enjoy it too. This video reeks of evil.
ulterior motive
Ditto Why all the negative comments 10 years sober nothing else could stop my drinking.
I attend my home group once a week. Most individuals are kind and helpful I have only met a few individuals I didn't find genuine but that's to be expected when you meet lots of people. A higher power to me personally is Christ and the inner voice of my conscience which tells me what would be the right thing to do .
AA is a simple program for complicated people ...
I'm not to fussed what other people think but what I don't like is when people express thoughts and advice when they haven't been to AA because others might not get recovery because they listen to others and not by personal experience. Shall be at my home group on Tuesday. " A life beyond your wildest dreams". Free from the physical and mental obsession from alcohol ". 19:29
We have a chapter of Freedom That Lasts at our Bible Chapel and it is biblically based discipleship that works!
I used narcotics anonymous for years but never got clean then I found Judaism and I converted and became apart of the Jewish community and during that conversion I was able to get clean finally foe the first time in 20 years....... Clean for 7 years now and I love my life for the first time ever and I tried N.A. so many times but all the judgements and stuff never worked for me
Pastor Wallace , what are your thoughts on churches allowing AA meeting to be held at their church’s under the guise of common grace ?
I think A.A. is fundamentally antagonistic to the Biblical gospel.
I've been to many meetings in church buildings where I will also attend the church services. It's nightmarish stuff where the shiny people are upstairs, the addicts in the basement stuck in every manner of vice besides being drunk literally going around in circles for years with no word from those upstairs which would be a word end their endless circling around ie truth that actually sets you free instead confines you to the rest of your life to a church basement of filth. It's horrendous for church buildings to be used for AA as it would be for Freemason meetings or similar. Everyone is compromised. Children from the church are put at risk. The church ignoring the mission field in its own basement is problematic. They probably think AA helps people.
@@ancientpathstvweren't the steps based on scripture?
@@TylerDavis-d9m Mormonism is also based on Scripture, but it twists and perverts Biblical truth to hide the fact that it presents a false gospel.
@@ancientpathstv yeah but the highest levels of anonymous groups you don't find out you've secretly been worshipping Satan the whole time. And there's a scripture for every step. These things were forced out to make it more appealing for antis and non conformists back in the day. How do you feel about Celebrate Recovery, the anon group they put God and the Bible back into?
Happy Lord's Day!
Your channel is amazing
Thank you! Soli Deo Gloria!
@@ancientpathstvChrist Alone!!!
👏 👏 👏 loving these videos!
This was excellent
Substituting one cult for another cult.
Thankfully the local A.A. group was ran and endorsed by a healthy reformed organization.
Did you watch the video? I honestly believe A.A. is about as reformable as Mormonism.
@@ancientpathstvI think they meant reformed Christian. It’s a denomination of Protestantism.
@@nathanp5711 I'm a Presbyterian, so I understand what Reformed means, but in spite of having a few Biblical principles, A.A. is a restorationist cult.
@@ancientpathstvwatching the video now. Easy to see you were aware of the reformation haha.
I participate in the program. I'm an atheist, but there are other parts of the program I find valuable, mainly the fellowship. Can I stay sober without the group? Maybe. But I like the meetings and feel they help me stay sober. Hearing others reminds me I'm not alone. Also, the book has a lot of value, especially the chapter "The Doctors Opinion".
The Doctor's Opinion has been debunked by numerous scientific studies. Please watch. th-cam.com/video/zocVwJ66Zms/w-d-xo.html
@ancientpathstv Thanks, I'll check it out. To me, the chapter really describes what happens to me when I drink. It's happened so many times in my life. When I read that chapter, I thought, "Yes! That's what happens to me." I've done tons of research, and nothing nailed my experience like that did. I also see many others go through the exact same thing.
Use to switch to weed
I saw numerous claims that Bill Wilson regularly used marijuana, but I couldn't clearly document it, so I left it out.
I have a friend who got free from alcohol through the work of the A.A. But it clearly was a christian group.
There are Christian groups that have tried to repackage the 12 steps, but as shown in the video, the group itself is about as Christian as Mormonism.
@@ancientpathstv A program of recovery who hurt you !!! The Christian principles are appreciated by many love of man and caring for others are a good way to live a happy life.
You can do this without joining a religion and church. They all have agenda usually involves taking your money.
Sam Shoemaker looks like Norm Mcdonald.
The brotherhood of man.
John Lennon?😊✌🏻🫶🏻
@ The anti-Christ.
@@winros No, the beast.
i did this for a long time. didn't help at all. that was years ago and i still struggle thinking "i'm just an addict"
You did what? Attend a lot of meetings with other sick people hoping to get "better"? Or did you get taken through the steps as laid out in the book Alcoholics Anonymous, have the obsession to drink removed and then take others through the same steps to freedom?
Jesus IS the tooth fairy. 😅
They are back at last
This isnt accurate. I was open to the premise but you immediately started with hyperbole.
If you'd watched the whole video, you'd see it's not hyperbole.
As a historian, I can tell you it Is accurate. In fact this video presents historical data that Is rarely known among the everyday people, I was surprised to see it uploaded.
@bradenglass4753 im no AA apologist but been to enough meetings to know that they dont suggest a door knob as a higher power. Most people joke about it and tell you not to do that. You misrepresented the modern fellowship horribly and this is coming from a person who left AA and went to Christ 10 years ago. As a Christian I'm telling you you're dishonest
And I did watch the whole video and your whole argument hinges on the fact thst they tried distance themselves from the Oxford group. Your video is a perfect example of why the early group decided to do that. Because they knew that non-critical thinkers from the church would persecute them. I don't know who died and left you Arbiter of Truth. I don't recall reading anything about it in the Bible.
@@Bizarreparade I'm not the one being dishonest, but you. The idea that your higher power can be a door knob is throughout AA literature. Here are just a few examples: aasfmarin.org/the-doorknob
aaagnostica.org/2015/02/01/the-doorknob-deity/
aa-dc.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/dNewReporterFeb2024-1.pdf
I've also personally heard someone say they changed their higher power from a doorknob to a rock. Please be honest enough to retract your comment.
Up until the 40ith or so minute mark this was great, then you went all theological and 'godly', sort of. Ahh, I just noticed, you're affiliated with freakin 'Christian' church. Your credibility is shot, but the 40 minutes was still very good.
Please watch. th-cam.com/video/zocVwJ66Zms/w-d-xo.html
People like you are in a cult a cult of calling everything a cult
Bluster makes a poor substitute for documented evidence.
Perfect timing. God bless.