Range weapons got so much dps in sunbreak, put a dps meter on and you'll notice the gunners being always thousands of damages over the melees. Even if I hate them for dealing so much damages without having to put too much effort except aiming for the weak points, it actually makes sense for them to die in 2 hits, or it would just be on god-tier level Also I'm far from an expert in range builds, but with the lucent narga arms you get evade window 3, if you struggle it would be a good idea to use it And finally, as many others said, the range weapons being squishy was always a thing in the mh games I hope everyone enjoys the first title update and good hunts !
Gunners having low defense is actually a staple of the series. In the old games Gunners and Blademasters had separate armor sets, and the Gunner armor sets always had low defense, kind of annoying. Also some monsters are like 10x easier with certain weapons, i.e Rajang being easier with Greatsword, Zinogre being easier with Longsword, etc.
I understand that the taking of extra damage is part of the mechanics of the game, and that naturally some weapons will have it easier than others against certain monsters. But to the extent that ranged weapons get shafted on Scorned Magnamalo, still taking 2x damage when building defensively, and dealing less damage to the monsters, I feel melee is incentivized a bit too much on these fights.
@@TheMrTrails Try playing against all the Arch Tempered monsters from World with any other weapons than longsword, I dare you. Scorned will feel easy compared to the asshole that is AT Nerg. If you think Sunbreaks end game is bad, you'll quickly change your tune when playing World. Because the end game for every monster hunter game has been hard, and bullshit. And we fans love overcoming that end game bullshit to get that tiny power increase that we work so hard for. Also, to get an actual challenge from all World quests (not Iceborne) only use high rank gear to beat them. There are some monsters in World that does not appear in Iceborne, and are best experienced if you do them before moving on to Master rank/Iceborne
Overtuned damage is basically how Capcom has artificially increased difficulty in endgame in every MH game. I've never liked it, but good luck convincing the rest of the community.
Believe it or not this used to be worse in older titles. It might help to use divine blessing 3 instead of defense boost, gunners defense is low to the point that investing in defense boost just won't do much for you. Two other things you can do are: 1, eating the Moxie Dango which gives you one-shot protection, as long as your health is above a certain threshold and 2, taking a healing palico with you. Good luck on your hunts! Edit: Forgot one last thing, i've played a bunch of mh games but i still go and pick up some spiribirds, i don't get my hp to maximum and i also don't like doing it, but every map has a route or two that will allow you to grab 4/5 green spiribirds as you make your way to the monster. You'll ''waste'' 30 secs, maybe 1 min, but i'd still rather do that then getting one shot.
Ranged weapons have lower defense because you can attack from a distance and instead of normal defense they have higher elemental defense due to most ranged monster attacks are elemental attacks. Plus defensive builds are not mandatory. You have many ways to avoid damage as a ranged user and ranged user like all hunters need to learn openings and not to get greedy. Also as for the hitzones, ranged weapons are quite accurate if you aim properly which is why most monsters have less good hitzones. Not to mention bow and bowguns have many skills that increases damage by a really good amount and critical range as well. And its not to hard to get all of those skills plus some comfy skills like evade extender. And last but not least ranged weapons are one of the most powerful weapons in Sunbreak especially with all the new stuff bow and bowguns got in rise just really buffed them up majorly
Scorned Magnamalo is a samurai. You have to fight him in an honorable way (melee). At least, that's what I read from the hitzone damage numbers. Who would bring a gun to a sword fight?
Bowguns and bow main from both World and Rise here. Gen 5 balancing is actually much better than any other previous titles. We gunner get to use the same armor perks as melee (meaning we don't need to craft one melee exclusive set and one ranged exclusive set), we also get tons of mobility. HBG in old games used to play like a deployed turret, while Bow can only fire while standing still... The hitzones in Rise is definitely horribly designed especially on certain monsters like Kushala, Scorned, Astalos and even normal bazel and normal Narga. I think part of the reason why so many people resolved to giving up ranged weapons and only use stickies/pierce is because these two can deal decent damage without caring much about hitzones and aiming. Us gunner having a lower defense has been the tradition ever since the first game and it is definitely a questionable design choice as the game gets more and more fast paced. In older game, ranged weapons always have a clearer view of the monsters, because we rarely needs to aim zoomed in. But in Rise for example, there's no damn way we could deal any damage without zoomed in aiming 100% of the time because monster hit zones are much stricter and they wiggles too damn much. By zooming in we were forced to view at a certain angle which hunter covers quarter of the screen, UI covers another quarter, and sometimes even worse where the floor covers half the screen. It gets worse in multiplayer when screen gets more clustered and monster's aoe and agro are more unpredictable. Oh and also, you might need to horde some dash juice if you want to play bow.
Get Spirit Birds. Its what they want you to do with the dango and the level 1 nonrampage spiritbird deco. In regards to damage....the Qurio System combined with the new decos they added. The output that gunners can do is insane in TU1. Been doing fine with HBG.
Ranged weapons consistently have worst damage hitzones than melee weapons, not just Scorned Magnamalo or Seething Bazel. But the fact is they still do more damage, and that's the main reason why they're harder to play.
Bows tradeoff is extremely good DPS for being squishy. You also use the stamina petalace even though a super long stamina bar isnt that important for your dps compared to your stamina regen. Use the health petalace and get the spiriberd decoration. your complaints about hitzones being bad for bow are hilarious since bow still outdamages all melee weapons. Maybe slot in some evade extender or check out the new bubbly dance evade window 3 bow builds.
Light bowgun with at least 2 evade window and wyvern counter makes you invincible. Only bad ranged weapon I feel is bow which doesn't have an immediate counter like LBG and HBG qnd feels like a glass cannon if not knowing the Monster's moveset perfectly
Well Bow does have unlimited counter with dodgebolt, but you need to time it's meaningless 4 frames and it sucks against multi-hits since you travel no distance with it.
They absolutely need to slightly nerf ranged weapons and then give us a defense boost instead. One other thing, bow need to use dodge bolt now imo, monsters have too many aoes and 1 shots and that makes it easier to avoid 1. Paird with the lucent nargacuga gloves that give evade window 3 and adranaline rush for damage. it makes for a decent comfier setup to avoid attacks easier. One other thing, I would recommend checking hitzones from kiranico because most places don't seem to show changing hitzone like scorned's arms when enraged. Also trying to match elem weaknesses helps too.
I was about to fully agree with you but the I took a shotgun to gold rathian’s knee caps for endless topples while playing like a complete chimp and thought maybe I’m the reason range weapon can’t have nice things.
There is a Dango, that, when used on lvl 4, doubles the buffs received per spiribird. Maybe the extra HP and defence can counteract some of the oneshots.
Dragon res doesnt really do anything to Scorn Magnamalo, is has like just one attack/mode that applies dragon bligth. That being when it explodes all red when its near death.
@@TheMrTrails but only for that mode alone, you are talking about the fight and its damage as a whole. Also, Scorn Magnamalo is a monster locked at MR 100, a Rank where the game expects you to have some sort of offensive capabilities able to take such a difficult fight, its not supposed to be easy for any weapon. That doesnt take away the freedom of playing how you want in any way but again, its never supposed to be a comfortable fight. And yes, Magnamalo is/was the Meta for many weapons for various reasons but definitely not for bow.
It's not even about the access to counters, it's about the amount of damage being taken when you do get hit in comparison. To be sacrificing offensive flexibility for defense perks here, and still being 2-shot (and still one shot to certain attacks) is a bit overkill. And that same build taking 4 hits to die on a melee weapon, where you also have access to counters that are going to be dealing massive chunks of damage, balance is kinda out the window
Nope they nerfed the weapon with Sunbreak. Now the counter do less damage and the CD of wirebugs have been increased. Now you have to choice between survivability with the counters and damages with sacred shift.
One or twoshoting by endgame monsters in mh playing range weapons is absolutly normal and staple, but in exchange for it ranged weapons have the best clear times (biggest dps) and they can attack in range. More you play the game more you understand the monster movesets more effective the ranged weapons are (also bow and light bow gun have huge mobility and heavy bow gun has a shield in it) the game has not problém with balance at all you just need to get better at the game. Even for me playing Gunlance with massive shield and lots of deffense lots of end game monsters can two or oneshot mě. But thats just price for all those counters and mobility options wev got on sunbreak. Bow is the strongest weapon in the game and was in rise too.
uhm I've been using bow since rise which is my first MH game. . . I carted twice and studied his move and was able to win on my 1st try using a bow. Maybe you should try running around and learn his moveset when using a bow.
I was having trouble with some monster,and the best skill to help me get better was evade extender. Trust me,even 1 level of EE can change everything. IMO, is the best defensive skill to prioritize, especially for ranged weapon. Bow amd Lbg with 2 EE, makes you untochable
Yes, I agree. However, if you defence is maxed., then I sergest get the best petalace and gather a few spiribirds . I apritiate this is not palatable for some, but it may be necisery. Also, salty moment, I main gunlance, even with bullet borage, bow is still superior.
If I recall correctly, when used correctly, ranged weapons have a prominent history of doing more dps than melee weapons in most Monster Hunter games, eg, HBG consistently being in the top 5 with each iteration and bow being the best dps in base Rise. As such, the generally lower hit zones are, imo, fine. If you’re playing a ranged weapon, it’s paramount to learn how to adjust your positioning relative to the monster’s behavior so that consistently hitting the desired hitzone can be done as consistently as possible, without getting hit. This in tandem with the necessary aiming skills means that ranged weapon users are more severely punished (in all the ways you mentioned in the video) for not understanding and abusing monster knowledge (maybe, it’s obvious, but not it’s necessarily simple or easy). Not trying to bash you or your gameplay, just saying it how it is. That being said... ...I would personally like to see a reduction in damage received for ranged weapon users as I don’t want to have to make room for defense in my perk eco, and getting nearly oneshot when I just want to play the weapons I enjoy...hurts. But for now, it comes with the territory. I won’t mind if it makes me a better player in the long run, but it won’t be without pain.
I just expect that I'm going to die atleast once, thankfully the talisman I use has fortify on it, so I come back stronger anyways. Dodgebolt with evade extender 2 helps me a ton with surviving, it becomes satisfying when you can even counter their roar on time.
Just sounds like you are not very good with Bow. I've never seen or heard anyone have this issue using ranged weapons in Sunbreak. Try other sets and spend more time learning the monsters movesets
I had absolutely no issues with how playing bow felt before these fights. Was taking more damage a bit annoying, yes, but if I actually did build defensively it would be no different. But sacrificing to build defensively, and consistently still getting one shot, where another weapon laughs off that damage, that’s just bad balancing imo
Bruh read the damn room. Many experienced players have the same thoughts, and as somebody who attempted to switch to bow after sticking with melee weapons... there is definitely some monsters that are obviously not built for hunters with ranged weapons.
Its really not. I use bow with dodgebolt in a scroll,and use them both easily. You can still use the normal dash and be OP with bow. Maybe if you do speedruns you should use only dodgebolt, but for normal hunts you can still do monster in 6or7 minutes in solo, with classic dash bow
That's also part of my point, the balance of the fight for a specific weapon shouldn't be "Instead of your normal, general full dps build, bring this specific counter-build to deal the same damage that the other weapons are already doing."
For your damage: Bow's whole thing is elemental damage, your bow looked like Narga's but I'm not 100% sure, so that might be why your damage was a hot slice of garbage. For damage taken: I'm assuming you already upgraded your armor, so I agree it's kinda shitty on that front.
@@abusivewafflegaming4450 That's fine, I've found a lot of people here thinking it's the same as World. Though I agree with you (Pukei) bow on this fight is a very weird decision. If hitzones suck then why pierce ?
Idk what to say to this because I still play iceborn. I dont have a PC or a switch all I have is an Xbox. And all I play is dauntless and mhwIB. But I do understand what u mean. I just never had any experience in rise or sunbreak.
@@Spriktor considering the player count on steam along for world is still over 25k consistently and the only estimates I could find for dauntless playercount is from a year ago at about 17k sounds like copium to me homie but huff it as much as you want never gonna affect me LOL
Mh has been always work like that and any other games range have less defense because they take less risk than melee. Second thing , when you hunt there are always better adapted weapon to face a specific monster. However, bow is almost versatile every situation this is why it's top tier in hand of an expert cause you keep dps. Just be better at learning the pattern and take skill like evade extender and evasion they make you untouchable. I dislike your video cause you gonna mislead many new comers and think that range people need a buff when they are actually top S in speedrun.
gunner defense in sunbreak is what blademaster defense USED to be like in older games, and gunner defense used to be even worse than it is now. sunbreak is closer, but still babby mode compared to games like 4 ultimate.
Gunners imo should have more defense while being less damage oriented. All the ranged weapons have insane dps but they are built like wet paper towels in the defense departmend. People don't use defensive skills because they will still get nuked after every hit. So they just pump up the damage even higher. But it still makes sense that they are so fragile in the current game. if they had beter defense they would be even more devastating. and with how it is now, they still are all amazingly powerful even with that detriment. Very much liked your insight in this video. Always fun to see other people opinion's on different things.
Well, i dont know mhr that much but based on the numbers its kinda garbage. With ranged weapons u should do at least more damage tjen with meelee types if u are sacrificing tankieness und u have to look on ur positioning generally more then on other weapons...
That’s generally the case with ranged weapons, some of the fastest kill times have come from heavy bowguns and bows. There’s videos of people melting monsters with bows. I remember the fastest Nergigante kill in Monster Hunter World was 56 seconds, done with a bow.
@@starzariaguy5151 the bow is not the same as it was in world idk why every comment talks about world bow or a bowgun in a rise video about the bow lmao
A. You shouldn't have to do that from a balance perspective. B. Why should you spend 5 minutes of a hunt just running around before engaging with the monster. C. I'm complaining about the damage contrast between ranged and melee, not the damage itself. I'm fine if there are one shots in a fight, but the same moves one-shotting bow vs. 3-shotting melee is where it's an issue. Then also dealing less damage than melee weapons on top of that, is where it stumbles into complete imbalance
@@TheMrTrails doesn’t take 5mins that’s an over exaggeration there. that’s basic hunting 101 there to max your stats for the hunt. if you’re not that top tier 1% perfectionist then you should always prepare for the worst.
Range weapons got so much dps in sunbreak, put a dps meter on and you'll notice the gunners being always thousands of damages over the melees. Even if I hate them for dealing so much damages without having to put too much effort except aiming for the weak points, it actually makes sense for them to die in 2 hits, or it would just be on god-tier level
Also I'm far from an expert in range builds, but with the lucent narga arms you get evade window 3, if you struggle it would be a good idea to use it
And finally, as many others said, the range weapons being squishy was always a thing in the mh games
I hope everyone enjoys the first title update and good hunts !
I wish they reblance it, gunner takes less damage and deals less damage, bring it more inline with blademasters
Gunners having low defense is actually a staple of the series. In the old games Gunners and Blademasters had separate armor sets, and the Gunner armor sets always had low defense, kind of annoying. Also some monsters are like 10x easier with certain weapons, i.e Rajang being easier with Greatsword, Zinogre being easier with Longsword, etc.
Well everything is easier with longsword since the devs play favorites with it
I understand that the taking of extra damage is part of the mechanics of the game, and that naturally some weapons will have it easier than others against certain monsters. But to the extent that ranged weapons get shafted on Scorned Magnamalo, still taking 2x damage when building defensively, and dealing less damage to the monsters, I feel melee is incentivized a bit too much on these fights.
@@TheMrTrails Try playing against all the Arch Tempered monsters from World with any other weapons than longsword, I dare you. Scorned will feel easy compared to the asshole that is AT Nerg. If you think Sunbreaks end game is bad, you'll quickly change your tune when playing World. Because the end game for every monster hunter game has been hard, and bullshit. And we fans love overcoming that end game bullshit to get that tiny power increase that we work so hard for.
Also, to get an actual challenge from all World quests (not Iceborne) only use high rank gear to beat them. There are some monsters in World that does not appear in Iceborne, and are best experienced if you do them before moving on to Master rank/Iceborne
@@TheMrTrails If you ever get hit in Monster Hunter, Dark Souls will destroy you
@@brojakmate9872 Nah bro, dark souls difficulty is overrated as fuck, I have 3 times the I frames on rolls
Overtuned damage is basically how Capcom has artificially increased difficulty in endgame in every MH game. I've never liked it, but good luck convincing the rest of the community.
Believe it or not this used to be worse in older titles. It might help to use divine blessing 3 instead of defense boost, gunners defense is low to the point that investing in defense boost just won't do much for you. Two other things you can do are: 1, eating the Moxie Dango which gives you one-shot protection, as long as your health is above a certain threshold and 2, taking a healing palico with you. Good luck on your hunts!
Edit: Forgot one last thing, i've played a bunch of mh games but i still go and pick up some spiribirds, i don't get my hp to maximum and i also don't like doing it, but every map has a route or two that will allow you to grab 4/5 green spiribirds as you make your way to the monster. You'll ''waste'' 30 secs, maybe 1 min, but i'd still rather do that then getting one shot.
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This, I do it every hunt.
Ranged weapons have lower defense because you can attack from a distance and instead of normal defense they have higher elemental defense due to most ranged monster attacks are elemental attacks. Plus defensive builds are not mandatory. You have many ways to avoid damage as a ranged user and ranged user like all hunters need to learn openings and not to get greedy. Also as for the hitzones, ranged weapons are quite accurate if you aim properly which is why most monsters have less good hitzones. Not to mention bow and bowguns have many skills that increases damage by a really good amount and critical range as well. And its not to hard to get all of those skills plus some comfy skills like evade extender. And last but not least ranged weapons are one of the most powerful weapons in Sunbreak especially with all the new stuff bow and bowguns got in rise just really buffed them up majorly
Scorned Magnamalo is a samurai. You have to fight him in an honorable way (melee). At least, that's what I read from the hitzone damage numbers. Who would bring a gun to a sword fight?
Bowguns and bow main from both World and Rise here. Gen 5 balancing is actually much better than any other previous titles. We gunner get to use the same armor perks as melee (meaning we don't need to craft one melee exclusive set and one ranged exclusive set), we also get tons of mobility. HBG in old games used to play like a deployed turret, while Bow can only fire while standing still...
The hitzones in Rise is definitely horribly designed especially on certain monsters like Kushala, Scorned, Astalos and even normal bazel and normal Narga.
I think part of the reason why so many people resolved to giving up ranged weapons and only use stickies/pierce is because these two can deal decent damage without caring much about hitzones and aiming.
Us gunner having a lower defense has been the tradition ever since the first game and it is definitely a questionable design choice as the game gets more and more fast paced. In older game, ranged weapons always have a clearer view of the monsters, because we rarely needs to aim zoomed in. But in Rise for example, there's no damn way we could deal any damage without zoomed in aiming 100% of the time because monster hit zones are much stricter and they wiggles too damn much. By zooming in we were forced to view at a certain angle which hunter covers quarter of the screen, UI covers another quarter, and sometimes even worse where the floor covers half the screen. It gets worse in multiplayer when screen gets more clustered and monster's aoe and agro are more unpredictable.
Oh and also, you might need to horde some dash juice if you want to play bow.
The question is; which endgame? You complete all Quests and thats it.. Theres no guiding Lands Like in World, Just nothing to do after that
Get Spirit Birds. Its what they want you to do with the dango and the level 1 nonrampage spiritbird deco. In regards to damage....the Qurio System combined with the new decos they added. The output that gunners can do is insane in TU1. Been doing fine with HBG.
Ranged weapons consistently have worst damage hitzones than melee weapons, not just Scorned Magnamalo or Seething Bazel. But the fact is they still do more damage, and that's the main reason why they're harder to play.
exactly! high risk high reward. just gotta be on point with the aiming.
This whole video: "This game is bad because I suck with bow :("
Bows tradeoff is extremely good DPS for being squishy. You also use the stamina petalace even though a super long stamina bar isnt that important for your dps compared to your stamina regen. Use the health petalace and get the spiriberd decoration. your complaints about hitzones being bad for bow are hilarious since bow still outdamages all melee weapons. Maybe slot in some evade extender or check out the new bubbly dance evade window 3 bow builds.
Light bowgun with at least 2 evade window and wyvern counter makes you invincible. Only bad ranged weapon I feel is bow which doesn't have an immediate counter like LBG and HBG qnd feels like a glass cannon if not knowing the Monster's moveset perfectly
Well Bow does have unlimited counter with dodgebolt, but you need to time it's meaningless 4 frames and it sucks against multi-hits since you travel no distance with it.
They absolutely need to slightly nerf ranged weapons and then give us a defense boost instead. One other thing, bow need to use dodge bolt now imo, monsters have too many aoes and 1 shots and that makes it easier to avoid 1. Paird with the lucent nargacuga gloves that give evade window 3 and adranaline rush for damage. it makes for a decent comfier setup to avoid attacks easier.
One other thing, I would recommend checking hitzones from kiranico because most places don't seem to show changing hitzone like scorned's arms when enraged. Also trying to match elem weaknesses helps too.
I was about to fully agree with you but the I took a shotgun to gold rathian’s knee caps for endless topples while playing like a complete chimp and thought maybe I’m the reason range weapon can’t have nice things.
There is a Dango, that, when used on lvl 4, doubles the buffs received per spiribird. Maybe the extra HP and defence can counteract some of the oneshots.
Dragon res doesnt really do anything to Scorn Magnamalo, is has like just one attack/mode that applies dragon bligth.
That being when it explodes all red when its near death.
Was only worth a mention because max dragon res does give a slight overall defense bonus
@@TheMrTrails but only for that mode alone, you are talking about the fight and its damage as a whole.
Also, Scorn Magnamalo is a monster locked at MR 100, a Rank where the game expects you to have some sort of offensive capabilities able to take such a difficult fight, its not supposed to be easy for any weapon.
That doesnt take away the freedom of playing how you want in any way but again, its never supposed to be a comfortable fight.
And yes, Magnamalo is/was the Meta for many weapons for various reasons but definitely not for bow.
longsword is just op in this game
It's not even about the access to counters, it's about the amount of damage being taken when you do get hit in comparison. To be sacrificing offensive flexibility for defense perks here, and still being 2-shot (and still one shot to certain attacks) is a bit overkill. And that same build taking 4 hits to die on a melee weapon, where you also have access to counters that are going to be dealing massive chunks of damage, balance is kinda out the window
Nope they nerfed the weapon with Sunbreak.
Now the counter do less damage and the CD of wirebugs have been increased.
Now you have to choice between survivability with the counters and damages with sacred shift.
I mean ok but I swapped into ranged for sunbreaks endgame so I really don't get where you're coming from on this encouragement to swap to melee
One or twoshoting by endgame monsters in mh playing range weapons is absolutly normal and staple, but in exchange for it ranged weapons have the best clear times (biggest dps) and they can attack in range. More you play the game more you understand the monster movesets more effective the ranged weapons are (also bow and light bow gun have huge mobility and heavy bow gun has a shield in it) the game has not problém with balance at all you just need to get better at the game. Even for me playing Gunlance with massive shield and lots of deffense lots of end game monsters can two or oneshot mě. But thats just price for all those counters and mobility options wev got on sunbreak. Bow is the strongest weapon in the game and was in rise too.
I mean I play 13 out of the 14 so but I get the gripe.
uhm I've been using bow since rise which is my first MH game. . . I carted twice and studied his move and was able to win on my 1st try using a bow. Maybe you should try running around and learn his moveset when using a bow.
I was having trouble with some monster,and the best skill to help me get better was evade extender. Trust me,even 1 level of EE can change everything. IMO, is the best defensive skill to prioritize, especially for ranged weapon. Bow amd Lbg with 2 EE, makes you untochable
Yes, I agree. However, if you defence is maxed., then I sergest get the best petalace and gather a few spiribirds . I apritiate this is not palatable for some, but it may be necisery.
Also, salty moment, I main gunlance, even with bullet borage, bow is still superior.
If I recall correctly, when used correctly, ranged weapons have a prominent history of doing more dps than melee weapons in most Monster Hunter games, eg, HBG consistently being in the top 5 with each iteration and bow being the best dps in base Rise. As such, the generally lower hit zones are, imo, fine. If you’re playing a ranged weapon, it’s paramount to learn how to adjust your positioning relative to the monster’s behavior so that consistently hitting the desired hitzone can be done as consistently as possible, without getting hit. This in tandem with the necessary aiming skills means that ranged weapon users are more severely punished (in all the ways you mentioned in the video) for not understanding and abusing monster knowledge (maybe, it’s obvious, but not it’s necessarily simple or easy). Not trying to bash you or your gameplay, just saying it how it is. That being said...
...I would personally like to see a reduction in damage received for ranged weapon users as I don’t want to have to make room for defense in my perk eco, and getting nearly oneshot when I just want to play the weapons I enjoy...hurts. But for now, it comes with the territory. I won’t mind if it makes me a better player in the long run, but it won’t be without pain.
I just expect that I'm going to die atleast once, thankfully the talisman I use has fortify on it, so I come back stronger anyways. Dodgebolt with evade extender 2 helps me a ton with surviving, it becomes satisfying when you can even counter their roar on time.
Don't give up. At first it hard, but the more you play the more battle data you will gain. 🙂
And the hunter will become the monster. 🙂
Could you do a good hunger build with high dps?
Nice vid👍
Just sounds like you are not very good with Bow. I've never seen or heard anyone have this issue using ranged weapons in Sunbreak. Try other sets and spend more time learning the monsters movesets
I had absolutely no issues with how playing bow felt before these fights. Was taking more damage a bit annoying, yes, but if I actually did build defensively it would be no different. But sacrificing to build defensively, and consistently still getting one shot, where another weapon laughs off that damage, that’s just bad balancing imo
Bruh read the damn room. Many experienced players have the same thoughts, and as somebody who attempted to switch to bow after sticking with melee weapons... there is definitely some monsters that are obviously not built for hunters with ranged weapons.
dude, can you help me get top 100?
I love bow but in sunbreak dodgebolt is mandatory now.
Now change to be a gunner
Its really not. I use bow with dodgebolt in a scroll,and use them both easily. You can still use the normal dash and be OP with bow.
Maybe if you do speedruns you should use only dodgebolt, but for normal hunts you can still do monster in 6or7 minutes in solo, with classic dash bow
Use traps and absolute charge switch skill with water ele bow méta build and silver rathalos chestpiece for ele exploit
That's also part of my point, the balance of the fight for a specific weapon shouldn't be "Instead of your normal, general full dps build, bring this specific counter-build to deal the same damage that the other weapons are already doing."
So your solution for the problem "i want to play my weapon and not any other" is to play other weapon. Are you dense?
For your damage: Bow's whole thing is elemental damage, your bow looked like Narga's but I'm not 100% sure, so that might be why your damage was a hot slice of garbage.
For damage taken: I'm assuming you already upgraded your armor, so I agree it's kinda shitty on that front.
Only 20% of Bow's damage is elemental. Ratios are good but the weapon got like 6-20 times more raw in it's stats.
@@andyboston3646 My only experience with bow is using it like twice in World, I was just saying what I heard from other people
@@abusivewafflegaming4450 That's fine, I've found a lot of people here thinking it's the same as World. Though I agree with you (Pukei) bow on this fight is a very weird decision. If hitzones suck then why pierce ?
Idk what to say to this because I still play iceborn. I dont have a PC or a switch all I have is an Xbox. And all I play is dauntless and mhwIB. But I do understand what u mean. I just never had any experience in rise or sunbreak.
damn Dauntless is still a thing?
@@PunishedDad classic elitist mh joke lol, I play both games which are vastly different and enjoyable, it's icebornt thats dying more out of these 2
@@Spriktor considering the player count on steam along for world is still over 25k consistently and the only estimates I could find for dauntless playercount is from a year ago at about 17k
sounds like copium to me homie but huff it as much as you want never gonna affect me LOL
Mh has been always work like that and any other games range have less defense because they take less risk than melee. Second thing , when you hunt there are always better adapted weapon to face a specific monster. However, bow is almost versatile every situation this is why it's top tier in hand of an expert cause you keep dps. Just be better at learning the pattern and take skill like evade extender and evasion they make you untouchable. I dislike your video cause you gonna mislead many new comers and think that range people need a buff when they are actually top S in speedrun.
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What can I say.............
gunner defense in sunbreak is what blademaster defense USED to be like in older games, and gunner defense used to be even worse than it is now. sunbreak is closer, but still babby mode compared to games like 4 ultimate.
And yes this is for duntless sorry for not putting it in the sentence below ⬇️
Gunners imo should have more defense while being less damage oriented. All the ranged weapons have insane dps but they are built like wet paper towels in the defense departmend. People don't use defensive skills because they will still get nuked after every hit. So they just pump up the damage even higher. But it still makes sense that they are so fragile in the current game. if they had beter defense they would be even more devastating. and with how it is now, they still are all amazingly powerful even with that detriment.
Very much liked your insight in this video. Always fun to see other people opinion's on different things.
Well, i dont know mhr that much but based on the numbers its kinda garbage. With ranged weapons u should do at least more damage tjen with meelee types if u are sacrificing tankieness und u have to look on ur positioning generally more then on other weapons...
That’s generally the case with ranged weapons, some of the fastest kill times have come from heavy bowguns and bows. There’s videos of people melting monsters with bows. I remember the fastest Nergigante kill in Monster Hunter World was 56 seconds, done with a bow.
@@starzariaguy5151 in 4 player final boss dies in like 1,30 or faster to pierce hbg
@@starzariaguy5151 the bow is not the same as it was in world idk why every comment talks about world bow or a bowgun in a rise video about the bow lmao
complains about being one shot against scorn mag and doesn’t even collect spiribirds to max his health… k.
A. You shouldn't have to do that from a balance perspective.
B. Why should you spend 5 minutes of a hunt just running around before engaging with the monster.
C. I'm complaining about the damage contrast between ranged and melee, not the damage itself. I'm fine if there are one shots in a fight, but the same moves one-shotting bow vs. 3-shotting melee is where it's an issue. Then also dealing less damage than melee weapons on top of that, is where it stumbles into complete imbalance
@@TheMrTrails doesn’t take 5mins that’s an over exaggeration there. that’s basic hunting 101 there to max your stats for the hunt. if you’re not that top tier 1% perfectionist then you should always prepare for the worst.