Investment Analyst Reacts to MORE Investing TikToks

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  • We're back at it! Here's my review of more investing TikToks.
    My name's Richard Coffin, I'm an investment analyst with my Chartered Financial Analyst and Certified Financial Planner designations, registered with the Ontario Securities Commission as a portfolio manager.
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    Video edited by: Carol Boeira & Richard Coffin
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    This channel is for education purposes only and is not affiliated with any financial institution, although Richard does work as an employee for an investment manager. Richard Coffin does not provide recommendations on The Plain Bagel - those looking for investment advice should seek out a registered professional. Richard is not responsible for investment actions taken by viewers.

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  • @ThePlainBagel
    @ThePlainBagel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +199

    What was your favourite TikTok? And is there anything you think is worth adding to the reviews?

    • @roaringfork
      @roaringfork 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

      Don't get financial advise from people born in 2005.

    • @connor8018
      @connor8018 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      I'll add that the matched amount of money on the 401(k) basically doubles your return on the percentages. So even if the mutual fund you're invested in only gets 3 percent you're still getting essentially a 6% return on your original investment from the stock market. It's relatively minor compared to the 100% return you pointed out from the company matching though, which is the main benefit. Also it probably doesn't fit in this video but more information about a 401(k) would be helpful. At least just on the tax advantages and disadvantages even if it's relatively simple. Or just a video on different types of retirement accounts in general and how they work and what to look for in deciding to use one.
      I really appreciate your videos. A lot of other channels feel like the creator is telling you what to do.

    • @gigitrix
      @gigitrix 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      -54% guy has to win, the juxtaposition of the confidence with the outcome and the way you presented it (including the twist at the end) just... brutal

    • @BlueSky-kh8ue
      @BlueSky-kh8ue 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      Easily 401k guy...
      It was amazing how bad that advice was.

    • @TheJonathonM
      @TheJonathonM 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Stock splits do not increase FCF

  • @NiftyKnot
    @NiftyKnot 2 ปีที่แล้ว +62

    How to become a quadrillion dollar company
    1) IPO
    2) stock split
    3) stock price goes up
    4) split again
    5) price goes up
    6) repeat as required

  • @feynstein1004
    @feynstein1004 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1926

    Rule #1 of finance skepticism: If the method they're selling you worked, they would just use it and become billionaires, and thus not need to sell it to you in the first place.

    • @svnhddbst8968
      @svnhddbst8968 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      something i've been thinking on, there's (from barclays) proof that betting on people being impulsive idiots is a sound strategy. so maybe some legitimate groups are selling things that encourage stupidity, so bigger firms can bet around it for profit.

    • @feynstein1004
      @feynstein1004 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@svnhddbst8968 That's an interesting idea. If there's one thing you can count on, it's human stupidity 😅

    • @divagaciones1628
      @divagaciones1628 2 ปีที่แล้ว +126

      That's true, besides, sharing the method defeats its whole purpose, because once enough people start using the same method, it'll simply no longer work. Actual successful investors and brokers are constantly mixing up their strategies because markets are constantly changing, and knowing which strategies work at a given moment takes a lot of knowledge.

    • @Mincecroft
      @Mincecroft 2 ปีที่แล้ว +53

      Exactly, if your get rich quick scheme was taking advantage of "hidden" knowledge, then there would be zero incentive for them to show it to anyone else

    • @feynstein1004
      @feynstein1004 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      @@Mincecroft Couldn't have said it better myself

  • @JeredMastersAustralia
    @JeredMastersAustralia 2 ปีที่แล้ว +478

    "it's not often you have somebody so aggressively... wrong"
    😂👌

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  • @3rkid
    @3rkid 2 ปีที่แล้ว +861

    That return calculation of stock picks was my favorite part of the video.

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    • @Adam-yu5zj
      @Adam-yu5zj 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      😂🤣 Idiots

    • @thehoodedteddy1335
      @thehoodedteddy1335 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      Yeah, that was amazing

    • @MacAndSwiss
      @MacAndSwiss 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

      Everyone loves growth stocks in a bull market.

    • @PsyrenXY
      @PsyrenXY 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      I'd like to report a murder!

  • @TheBasicStuff
    @TheBasicStuff 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2155

    Richard, you don't have to do this to yourself. Self-harm is not the way to go for views.

    • @tomlxyz
      @tomlxyz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +50

      This isn't self harm. It's bringing rationality into this type of content

    • @johnnyphan5416
      @johnnyphan5416 2 ปีที่แล้ว +116

      LOL legit watching those tik tok was cancer.

    • @lrdxgm
      @lrdxgm 2 ปีที่แล้ว +17

      You must be new on the internet.

    • @aniyahisrael2003
      @aniyahisrael2003 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Someone brain 🧠 is smelling

    • @calabiyau9269
      @calabiyau9269 2 ปีที่แล้ว +13

      ahahahaha bro wake UP richard is missing out on the investing advice of a lifetime

  • @winstonsmith2079
    @winstonsmith2079 2 ปีที่แล้ว +627

    It's phrases like "its part of the human brain to look for cognitive short cuts", that raise this channel up to next level. Thank you, that's how I look on technical analysis

    • @jdarling5315
      @jdarling5315 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I'm not a TA guy at all but I do think it's not totally ridiculous to think there are some patterns in human behavior as it responds to price movements as well as certain market dynamics that can be gleaned from analyzing charts. Like he says, potentially useful as part of a more balanced approach

    • @josh7297
      @josh7297 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Hedge fund manager here. I never start my stock research by analyzing the charts. But, you cannot be naive and say that stocks always stick to their fundamental values. Just like any other market, the stock market is driven by fear, emotion and patterns. I use TA as a tool to help me enter/exit a position and determine a trend in a market price direction. Make no mistake, when stocks go up, on average, more people are willing to buy it. When stocks go down, on average, more people are willing to sell it.

    • @GunnShotVisuals
      @GunnShotVisuals 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      "Technicals in this kind of fashion really are the astrology of finance" 🤣

    • @GunnShotVisuals
      @GunnShotVisuals 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@josh7297 Lets be honest - those charts are useless just nice to visualize the price patterns 🤣i never managed a hedge fund so I'll concede if you say otherwise - these are cool patterns but markets movement is completely arbitrary and sitational

    • @GunnShotVisuals
      @GunnShotVisuals 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jdarling5315 I agree with him "Technicals in this kind of fashion really are the astrology of finance" 🤣

  • @electricerger
    @electricerger ปีที่แล้ว +81

    I remember my father testing to become a CFA, it took 5 years and that was after his master's in finance/economics. I have the upmost respect for people like you showing us what a real professional is like.

  • @CainXVII
    @CainXVII ปีที่แล้ว +105

    When I was like 8 my friend and I played around with pretending to buy stocks in the newspaper, following them and competing on who made the best pick. I found out years later my dad actually bought some for me. Turns out I made a good pick and he knew that because he worked in finance...

    • @TheFakeyCakeMaker
      @TheFakeyCakeMaker ปีที่แล้ว +32

      And you probably gained some of his skills via osmosis. Parents don't always realise what a profound effect they have on their children, you played stocks because that's what daddy did. What a wonderful man your dad sounds like. Being a parent is an incredible honour and I hope my kids can say good things about me like you have here some day. I hope you are continuing to do well on the stock market and that your wealth increases.

  • @Antenox
    @Antenox 2 ปีที่แล้ว +71

    This series just keeps confirming to me how much I hate ultra-short form content. TikTok, Twitter, even Snapchat to a degree.

  • @samsonsoturian6013
    @samsonsoturian6013 2 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    0:40 The idea a trillion dollar tech stock could double in value in a couple months...
    7:10 That guy is why predatory lending exists. The "pile of nothing" he complains about is a 34.7% risk-free gain even when employer contributions are NOT included.

    • @alexs_toy_barn
      @alexs_toy_barn 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      And it'll be way way more than net 1% growth yearly, it still be more like 3-6% yearly after inflation without contributions

    • @alquinn8576
      @alquinn8576 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      hi, I'm from the future. NVIDIA just doubled in 5 months from $1.5T to $3T

    • @jocen3
      @jocen3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@alquinn8576 not only because of a stock split

  • @FreckleFinance
    @FreckleFinance ปีที่แล้ว +49

    I was planning on having my kids invest fairly young, but just as part of their money management education. No stock pickings just something like a simple ETF with a bit of money so they can kinda see the flucuations and how markets work with their own money, but not as an actual money making thing,

  • @jesussalomon3598
    @jesussalomon3598 2 ปีที่แล้ว +47

    The fact Ricard can make fun of yet intellectually analyze each tiktok simultaneously is mind blowing.

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    • @jackpace6845
      @jackpace6845 ปีที่แล้ว

      Its pretty simple when the tiktokers are absolute morons.

  • @GetIrked
    @GetIrked 2 ปีที่แล้ว +125

    My absolute favorite part was watching his reaction to the “don’t match your 401K” insanity. I still can’t stop laughing! Thanks for this amazing video (from a fellow Canadian 🇨🇦)! 😀

    • @rodrigorodriguez509
      @rodrigorodriguez509 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Well, in 2020 I didn't contribute anything to retirement and put every dollar instead into about 270% returns. That was obviously a non-recurrent and extraordinary condition

    • @brianwalsh9265
      @brianwalsh9265 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@rodrigorodriguez509 orrrrrrrrrrrrrrr.................Just repeat this one simple trick over and over again and you'll be rich!

    • @adriennethiery5432
      @adriennethiery5432 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      The other crazy thing I see now is reasons not to invest into a Roth IRA. I don’t understand how it’s not illegal to spread misinformation about this

    • @blueflameSM
      @blueflameSM ปีที่แล้ว +6

      "Don't invest into a 401k or a Roth IRA......Instead, BUY my course and I'll make you millions." - Every one of those videos against 401ks lmfao

    • @pretzelstick320
      @pretzelstick320 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I’d probably want to invest in my 401k as much as the company will match, but not anymore than that.

  • @poisonpotato1
    @poisonpotato1 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    "There's more pizza now that I cut this 4 slice pizza into 8 slices"
    First guy probably

  • @JackDuffley
    @JackDuffley 2 ปีที่แล้ว +160

    I'm in my 3rd year at the University of FinTok, and I now exclusively use technical analysis on real estate NFTs on my laptop in my Lamborghini.

    • @Kodaira023
      @Kodaira023 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      😂

    • @webentwicklungmitrobinspan6935
      @webentwicklungmitrobinspan6935 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      nice i would like to buy a course from you i hope its expensive enough to feel like i made a important investment in my education

    • @davidwebb2318
      @davidwebb2318 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      You forget to tell everyone how you were a multi-billionaire by the age of 12. I guess you are just modest about this kind of thing....

    • @JackDuffley
      @JackDuffley 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@davidwebb2318 I'll learn how to do that next semester. Sorry!

    • @davidwebb2318
      @davidwebb2318 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@JackDuffley Ha ha, yes. Remember to ask your college principal if you can have a parking space for the Lamborghini !!

  • @hermdude
    @hermdude 2 ปีที่แล้ว +109

    I would want to point out that unlike astrology and coin-flipping, because a lot of people believe in technical analysis, it results in a self-fulfilling prophecy such that if a lot of people are making a decision that the price is going up, they'll bid up the price, eventually increasing the price itself. Of course, the catch is that different people would see different patterns within the same chart, so it becomes a tug of war between those who thinks that the price would go up versus the price going down.
    And then there's the market makers who would profit either way from market participation. As an old adage says, don't go and dig for gold yourself, go sell shovels instead.

    • @electricant55
      @electricant55 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      Another problem is that algorithmic traders probably already beat you to the punch and the analysis is now priced in

    • @finsimple4396
      @finsimple4396 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      If this were the case the research would back that point, but it doesn't. The truth is there are too many market participants with many different strategies, AUM sizes, and opinions which create little market inefficiencies or random behaviour in stock prices. Even algorithmic traders don't, they mostly exploit small market inefficiencies faster than others such as HFT's, mean reversion, scalping, market making, arbitrage, etc. It would be self-fulfilling if the few who did it held enough weight to move markets, but then they wouldn't have the liquidity to trade it comfortably, which is a paradox.

    • @itsgonnabeanaurfromme
      @itsgonnabeanaurfromme 7 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That's how it works. Applies to chinese astrology as well because a lot of people who believe in it (wealthy old chinese) impact the global economy.

  • @Misterfairweather
    @Misterfairweather 2 ปีที่แล้ว +91

    The Wii music was fantastic and I love hearing someone else say that technical analysis is the astrology of investing. I also appreciate anything that calls out the "influencer" starter kit of talking up your wealth and selling courses. This scam pre-dates the internet it just seems to have become even more popular in the last few years.

    • @davidwebb2318
      @davidwebb2318 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      The internet has just given all these scam artists free access to millions of gullible people who fall for get rich quick scams.

  • @SeeEhyDeeSee
    @SeeEhyDeeSee ปีที่แล้ว +6

    I still rewatch this from time to time just to watch his reaction to the 5:10 clip

  • @LASLOEGRI
    @LASLOEGRI 2 ปีที่แล้ว +41

    “Technicals - the astrology of investing…” absolutely, been saying that for years! As always… nice work.

    • @chump6901
      @chump6901 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      How can it be astrology, how can you call BS, when there are millions of people funneling billions of dollars into different equities or currencies based on patterns and support an resistance levels. If 50,000 people see something bouncing at support, and they all buy because buy at support sell at resistance, then it is going to rise. It’s a positive feedback loop. It’s real. Nobody cares about your recycled EBITDA multiples and they don’t affect anything anymore.

    • @Supatrader
      @Supatrader 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      😂😂😂😂😂😂

  • @arga400
    @arga400 2 ปีที่แล้ว +21

    A 100% 401k match is so powerful that you could immediately withdraw your money and the match, pay the penalty and taxes and still be ahead lol

  • @ivanjermakov
    @ivanjermakov 2 ปีที่แล้ว +140

    "Technicals (as a primary tool) are the astrology of finance"
    Also, so silly to watch how those "traders" prove their patterns on the historical data.

    • @maurods3151
      @maurods3151 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      But how is it possible than that some traders who rely only on technical analysis manage to be profitable

    • @hardwarefromthegarbage3446
      @hardwarefromthegarbage3446 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@maurods3151 Do they? I suppose their money comes from selling courses on their "methods" or not relying on technical analysis only

    • @jam-hu
      @jam-hu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@hardwarefromthegarbage3446 because it is statistically unlikely that they would all fail. Just like the people who win the jackpot twice in the lottery it is simply luck. It is likely, that out of the thousands of active traders that some will get lucky and beat the market. The problem is that there is no way of knowing beforehand which ones will get lucky.

    • @davidwebb2318
      @davidwebb2318 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@maurods3151 The short answer is that 99% of them don't manage to be profitable. Even a random stock selection process will make money sometimes. As they reinvest everything in what is essentially a random process eventually they will have everything in investments that drops like a stone. They might be successful for 5, 10 or 15 years by pure luck. The problem comes when you decide to follow what they do on the last day of year 15 and year 16 is when their luck runs out, and you lose your life savings following their astrology charts.

    • @TheWholeGrainBread_Real
      @TheWholeGrainBread_Real 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@maurods3151 key word, some. 99% wont.

  • @RemotHuman
    @RemotHuman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +22

    You can withdraw from 401k early for 10% fee + tax, meaning if you don't want to wait till retirement you still get an immediate 80% return from 401k matching

    • @MrSupernova111
      @MrSupernova111 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Its a rip off. The guy in the video had a point. Outside of the employer match there is little point in investing further into a 401k other than the pre-tax investment benefit. Today's billionaires didn't earn their wealth through a 401k. This is the part that most academics like our friend the plain bagle conveniently ignore. In all reality, 401ks are designed for financially illiterate people.

    • @RemotHuman
      @RemotHuman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MrSupernova111 billionaires worked very hard took on a lot of risk, had a lot of skill and got very lucky for their wealth, 401k is very easy, its not for people who want to become billionaires its for people who want to retire when they're old. Maybe Roth IRA is better though who knows. Its not financially illiterate not to want to be an entrepreneur

    • @MrSupernova111
      @MrSupernova111 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@RemotHuman . You're 100% correct that being a business owner is riskier than saving pennies every month for decades on end. That said, we choose how we want to live and many don't want to wait until they-re 65-70 years old to enjoy financial independence. On one hand we have the billionaires of the world and the countless millionaires who took a chance and then we have the masses who will spend their lifetime in the office doing meaningless work hoping to be financially independent at 65-70 years old. As I said, the guy in the video isn't entirely wrong.

    • @jonathans7089
      @jonathans7089 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@MrSupernova111 Yikes

  • @tuanoful
    @tuanoful ปีที่แล้ว +9

    That comparison from TA to Astrology was hilarious, and so true. In my ignorance, a few months back, I did think there was something to it. And quickly after I realized it was just BS. The only way that TA was real is if EVERYONE follows and acts on those patterns. And that is simply not true. The market doesn't behave based on a few guys doing TA

  • @werbnaright5012
    @werbnaright5012 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    I love the humour in the editing of the individual stock lookups. The music, the facial expressions, the groans.Magnifique!

  • @smugshrug
    @smugshrug 2 ปีที่แล้ว +61

    The only way all these "gurus" on social media make money is by selling people their awful advice.

    • @samsonsoturian6013
      @samsonsoturian6013 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      With the Raging Bull that was some of the key evidence in the FBI's fraud allegations...

    • @davidwebb2318
      @davidwebb2318 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The name Greg Secker comes to mind....

  • @netherworldpost
    @netherworldpost ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Really enjoy "not to gate keep, just to set expectations." I'm going to borrow that, thank you.

  • @earlyreefer
    @earlyreefer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +45

    more level headed, sensible content from The Plain Bagel. Always great stuff!

  • @jakefarmer3122
    @jakefarmer3122 2 ปีที่แล้ว +105

    I would absolutely LOVE if you went through one of these courses from tik tok. I think it would be amazing if you could "learn" from these "finance experts"

    • @deepserket4390
      @deepserket4390 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      this channel sometimes does something similar, but is more memeish and less serious than "the plain bagel", here's an example: th-cam.com/video/iFBoOGMjxI0/w-d-xo.html

    • @TheFakeyCakeMaker
      @TheFakeyCakeMaker ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yep. I'd be up for that

  • @Michael_Raymond
    @Michael_Raymond ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I loved the advice (even if it was a little under-sold) for young people looking to get into investing. If you want to get good investing results... just get a higher education. You're making an investment in every future choice you make, and the earlier you commit to that the more help it will be. Also, your education won't disappear if the economy crashes.

  • @aatheus
    @aatheus 2 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    I will never cease to be amazed at how many bad and/or tone-deaf investment videos there are on Tiktok. Very entertaining.

    • @rodrigorodriguez509
      @rodrigorodriguez509 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I don't know what you mean, clearly this high schooler has discovered a vulnerability in the financial markets as they exist today

  • @weggro
    @weggro 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    You're one of my top channels and I appreciate the information that you give. Keep calling out the fakes!

  • @nrpbrown
    @nrpbrown 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I love the background! It's silly but i will never get bored of bad finance tik tok reviews

  • @ExplicitPublishing
    @ExplicitPublishing ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm a big fan of your informed common sense approach AND you are my favorite TH-cam personality. I know you won't let that go to your head.

  • @schmingusss
    @schmingusss 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I love how Richard has perfected the nervous laugh. It cracks me up every time.

  • @klobiforpresident2254
    @klobiforpresident2254 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    "If you need help you can reach out to a professional."
    That is exactly what I want to tell you, Richard. You don't have to hurt yourself by watching these for our entertainment.

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  • @Littletime839
    @Littletime839 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    That first guy was so convincing because of his wild hand gestures

  • @midimusicforever
    @midimusicforever 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    "stocks that are going to make me rich"
    The guy forgot to say "by shorting them".

  • @tom4156
    @tom4156 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Great job as always, Richard. From one accountant to another, keep up the fight

  • @brandony8691
    @brandony8691 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great video as always!
    2:33 There have been some studies on stock splits that have shown there to be some degree of excess returns associated them (Ikenberry, Rakine, and Stice in the mid-90's I think were some of the first to look into this phenomenon). Some explanations offered by authors of these papers suggest its based on a signaling (i.e., management expects strong fundamental performance and completing a stock split signals this to the market). I would intuit that it's related to the momentum factor (i.e., a stock that now has a high per-share price got that way through strong recent performance). Either way, there is at least some evidence that buying recent stock splits might have some plausibility, but whether those excess returns survive transaction costs is another story.
    5:30 This video came out too early $TSLA

  • @David.Marquez
    @David.Marquez 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Here comes Richard making my Friday even better with some TikTok reactions LET'S GO

  • @melkiway
    @melkiway 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Your react videos ARE SO ENTERTAINING and INFORMATIVE. Keep them coming! Thank you :) :)

  • @rightwingsafetysquad9872
    @rightwingsafetysquad9872 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    It's not necessarily your employer who gets to choose your investment options. They choose a broker/custodian to manage the account who then chooses the specific fund options. My employer chose Merrill Lynch and all the options are so bad that 4-5% really is a reasonable expectation. Not sure why SPY or VOO aren't options. But with matching it is really 108% (for up to 4% of salary).
    Also, if you're 15, just save for a car. Having a car at 16 will improve what might be the most fun years of your life in a way that no amount of money can when you're old.

  • @Verskillroy
    @Verskillroy 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Your calm and realistic approach contrasted with those absolutely insane, horrible advice is really entertaining for me.

  • @GunnShotVisuals
    @GunnShotVisuals 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    "Technicals in this kind of fashion really are the astrology of finance" 🤣🤣🤣 as someone who has my series 7 stock brokers license this is so accurate and hilarious - Never truly understood how these made any sense to trust 🤣

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  • @wesch6354
    @wesch6354 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The key to compounding interest is time. So the sooner you start investing the better off you will be. Assuming you invest wisely. So investing from 15 to 65 will give your portfolio a lot of time to mature. For example. If you invested $2500 when you were 15 into the S&P 500 and didn't touch it till you were 65. You'd have a little over 250k.

    • @todaythebirds
      @todaythebirds 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Yeah, I think that girl is gonna be okay.

  • @jackmannschreck726
    @jackmannschreck726 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    The one of the stocks that will make me rich had me rolling on the floor, I knew I was in for a treat when roku was his first pick😂😂

  • @GunnShotVisuals
    @GunnShotVisuals 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As someone who got my series 7 I can confirm all the info in this video is accurate, wellll explained and useful

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  • @CaedenV
    @CaedenV 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    I've seen that hyper aggressive anti 401k dude before... And I think his idea is that if you take your full paycheck and use it immediately for your own education, or starting your own business then you can "easially" outperform the market.
    As someone who has started and stopped 3 personal small businesses... Yeah... There is also a super good chance to loose your entire business or if you are lucky break even. It's a bit of a gamble.
    Compare that to a 401k that gives an instant 100% growth with an employer match, and lowering your income tax bracket, and no taxes on growth... Yeah... Even at 1% growth that starts to look pretty OK lol. And that you are more likely to net 7% growth after inflation makes your 401k look pretty awesome.
    More important is that for most people it isn't an either/or situation. You can hold down a day job and take advantage of a 401k match, and start something productive on the side. And that side thing can be a business, or developing IP for royalties, or any number of other things.

    • @chukuemekaoje1015
      @chukuemekaoje1015 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lukemorgan6166 how are they scams?

    • @electricant55
      @electricant55 ปีที่แล้ว

      This. Best education today is free

  • @rodrigorodriguez509
    @rodrigorodriguez509 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm a CPA in my late 30s and my friends who are still struggling or sometimes trying to make big fast rips on crypto or something. I was advise them first not to do it under any circumstances, second to create a paper trade in account and stick with it for 2 to 4 months just to see how things go, and third to accumulate their fast food receipts and compare the return to the paper trading if they cooked instead.
    I do everything I can not to sound like a condescending jerk but these are my feelings.

    • @seanwebb605
      @seanwebb605 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A colleague of mine has been sold on the idea of passive income. Every day he worries about his crypto currency. I couldn't handle that hourly rollercoaster. He also took a chunk of his money (he actually might have borrowed from the bank) and invested in residential real estate with some family and friends. So he gets to maintain a house, watch the borrowing costs rise (Canada) while he hopes his tenants pay the rent or don't leave at a bad time. Plus he gets to fight with the other people in his investment pool.
      The problem is that we don't have enough income and a GIC, stock, bond etc. seems to grow incredibly slowly and isn't liquid. So we throw time, energy and the relatively small amount of wealth we have at bad ideas to gain wealth faster. Knowing on some level that it can be a game of wackamo.

    • @rodrigorodriguez509
      @rodrigorodriguez509 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@seanwebb605 it's so scummy to see stock trading pitched as an escape for people who hate their jobs. People with ordinary consumer levels of wealth and income just need to keep a good household and work faithfully, and hopefully live for some meaningful goal instead of chasing material pleasure.

    • @seanwebb605
      @seanwebb605 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@rodrigorodriguez509 I'm fine with people trying to build wealth, save for retirement and their children's education. But you're quite right. There is a really dirty side that just wants easy money for bling. They should focus on their career and make sensible investments for the future.

    • @Magic_beans_
      @Magic_beans_ 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Paper trading is a good start, but it still can’t capture the emotional angle when one of your picks gets hammered. I’m writing this in late 2023 which has been a very positive year overall, and I’ve still had several 5-10% drops in a day.
      - Solar companies that can’t add capacity as quickly because of higher interest rates.
      - A tech company that reported they “only” expected 18% growth next year instead of the 24% people were expecting.
      - A retailer whose stock fell because a competitor’s press release got investors spooked about the industry.
      And then there are industries like biotech where companies could live or die based on a single regulatory hearing.

  • @zshn
    @zshn 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Techincal analysis like any other type of analysis only helps in defining 'probability' of an expected outcome based on the bias. All types of analysis is astrology, even fundamental analysis. If you try to predict future by looking at the stars (technical) or inside the body (fundamental) or by reading a biography (historical); it is similar to astrology. Everyone chill out.

    • @theexiled1767
      @theexiled1767 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Finally someone who speaks sense. All types of analysis is based on probability given past data and biases. You only need to win more than you lose. Doesn’t matter if you rely more on technical or fundamental analysis.

    • @mrbigsmile3902
      @mrbigsmile3902 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      The difference is that the position of the stars have no functional connection to the future, while there is a clear functional connection between the over time value of a stock and a basket of indicators/ full analysis.

  • @prodigy1605
    @prodigy1605 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    4:10 completely agree. It is a good use case for trying to time into a stock better for a long term investment (maybe wait a bit more for a price retreat) but not for actively trading

    • @zdenek3010
      @zdenek3010 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What you described is active management. Thinking that your intensity of active management is good but anything more is bad is irrational

  • @averagewhiteguy2
    @averagewhiteguy2 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    That 401k TikTok KILLED me. I can't believe that guy said those things so confidently.

    • @MrSupernova111
      @MrSupernova111 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Is he wrong? Which billionaires do you know that built their wealth through a 401k? Think about that for a minute. Know that I have a degree in finance and work in the industry before you reply.

    • @jonathans7089
      @jonathans7089 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@MrSupernova111 Still time to delete this.

    • @MrSupernova111
      @MrSupernova111 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jonathans7089 . Every business owner has taken a different path than relying on a 401k for financial independence but continue walking through life blind. Remember your clueless comment when you're 65-70 years old and you have wasted your life doing meaningless work to make other people rich.

    • @jonathans7089
      @jonathans7089 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@MrSupernova111 Tried to help you from embarrassing yourself. You just don't actually know what you're talking about.

    • @MrSupernova111
      @MrSupernova111 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@jonathans7089 . With such a strong and cohesive argument how could anyone disagree? In a small world like yours there is only one way to live life. Typical fool!

  • @mfb704
    @mfb704 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    Hi Mr Bagel I have a question
    Do you ever use modern portfolio theory in your day to day activities as a portfolio manager? Things like Treynor Black procedure, Markowitz, risk aversion coefficient, optimal weights, etc.? Or do you use other things? I've been learning this stuff for school but it all seems too theoretical for me.
    Thanks!

  • @sergeynemkov1554
    @sergeynemkov1554 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Damn plain bagle doing tik tok investing vids, DR.K doing psychology tik tok vids, guess friday is tik tok review day, cheers :D

    • @Aulig
      @Aulig 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The title format is the same too haha. Suspicious :D

    • @earthling_parth
      @earthling_parth 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Primeagen released a video doing programming TikTok reviews today too 😆

  • @steviestone3968
    @steviestone3968 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    TA is the astrology of finance, perfect description.

  • @narcissistwhisperer
    @narcissistwhisperer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I very much appreciate your sober, rational, & knowledgeable approach to the hype & bullshit that seems to be the norm. Thank you for your efforts.

  • @happytoberu
    @happytoberu 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The first tiktok: there is a statistically significant relationship between a stock split and the increase in price.. in fact, since 1980, a company that does a stock split (on avg) goes up 25% in 1 year vs the broad market of 9% in that year. So yes, there is a correlation between an increase in value after a stock split…

    • @ThePlainBagel
      @ThePlainBagel  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Could you share the link for those figures? I find the 25% to be really high, much higher than any report I've seen on stock splits.

    • @happytoberu
      @happytoberu 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@ThePlainBagel Hey! I’ve tried posting the link twice but TH-cam keeps deleting the comment with the link… (check to see if you have links turned off in your TH-cam settings) 😊
      But if you look up Bank of America stock split study, you should be able to find it. There’s also a market watch article that talks about it as well! 🙂

    • @ThePlainBagel
      @ThePlainBagel  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@happytoberu Yeah TH-cam will do that sometimes (and unfortunately, some comments are deleted before I have a chance to review). I'll try to find it, thanks!

    • @notnormaljiji
      @notnormaljiji 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      There is correlation but not causation, yet some of these TikTokers Investment Guru treat it like its the latter and influence their audience to think the same.
      Regardless, no 1 rule in investing is to be comfortable in losing the investment cuz prediction and pattern is a 50-50 with fate.

  • @capeecle
    @capeecle ปีที่แล้ว +1

    "Aggresively wrong" nice, I learnt a new phrase

  • @SkarrGaming
    @SkarrGaming ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Imagine going to Tiktok for finance advice. Or any advice on anything for that matter.

  • @tuanoful
    @tuanoful ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I'm so glad I discovered your channel. You are great, keep it up!

  • @mrantao1
    @mrantao1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Mr Bagel would make a good lecturer
    He systematically knows how to break down complex theories into simple ones without coming off as someone who knows more than u
    Those relatable qualities r what separate good lecturers from the bad ones n I can promise u that the bad out weigh the good most of the time

  • @Notarealusersname
    @Notarealusersname 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Turning down an instant 100% gain is peak smooth brain. Investing in a 401k above that amount strikes me as silly though.

    • @azhp42069
      @azhp42069 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Depends on your goals. If your primary goal of investing is to set yourself up for retirement, and you've maxed out your IRA contributions, going beyond the 401k match and maxing it out can be better financially than taxable investing (as long as your 401k fund options are good and fees are low)

    • @Notarealusersname
      @Notarealusersname 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@azhp42069 so I actually do add an extra percent above the matching so I can max my Roth for the year. Anything else though would be better to invest independently because fees are lame and 401k withdrawals are taxed like ordinary income instead of as capital gains (at least in the US).

  • @warrenbuckley3267
    @warrenbuckley3267 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It would be nice to see a video on how you would research a company before deciding to invest? What are some of the things that you look for?

  • @pretzelstick320
    @pretzelstick320 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Stock splits probably meant a lot more 5-10 years ago. I remember when I was in high school in 2016 wanting to buy Amazon shares, but not having the $600ish to spare.

    • @pretzelstick320
      @pretzelstick320 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Or wanting to buy Berkshire Hathaway when it was 125k per share lol

  • @mylorgolden8146
    @mylorgolden8146 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am continuing to Add to my portfolio. As warren Buffet said "be brave when everyone else is fearful ". The stock market ALWAYS recover, so hold for long term and have the stomach for the ride 👍.

  • @thespecialkid1384
    @thespecialkid1384 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Im 16 and have chosen investments on a practice account with virtual money. And that has had much higher returns than most adults i know.

  • @HarmonixsLoL
    @HarmonixsLoL 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I didn't really learning anything new in terms of investing, but I got a good laugh from the TikTok clips.

  • @GMoney_1973
    @GMoney_1973 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video! Thank you for producing. I really enjoyed the theme music from the Wii Shop! Takes me back.

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  • @jimmcneal5292
    @jimmcneal5292 หลายเดือนก่อน

    The problem with focusing on education(degree) is that it alone almost certainly won't make you rich. Most of your additional income will go into higher taxes, rent and supporting expensive lifestyle to not stand out among your peers. Yes there is an exception(medical degree in US), but it's simply because of inefficiency in a system, and there's a strong pressure from society to remove that inefficiency, so there are reasonably high chances that it will be removed relatively soon.

  • @betruetoyourself7162
    @betruetoyourself7162 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I didn’t see your poll. I would have clicked yes!

  • @LorentzInvariance
    @LorentzInvariance 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    So I’ll echo some sentiments from the other comments.
    1) you don’t have to subject yourself to this kind of content. You’re well above this and have so much to offer.
    2) it’s really funny, helps me decompress, and I really enjoy it.
    So… yeah. Much love, and be safe.

  • @RossLemon
    @RossLemon ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I genuinely don't understand 401k haters. They act like it's some all or nothing type scenario and that you HAVE to dump your entire paycheck into it. If my employer match is only up to 4 percent, then I'm only contributing up to 4 percent of my gross paycheck into my 401k. It's not meant to get me rich and that's not my intention with it. It's meant to be there for me, along with other investments, so when I'm old and wrinkly as shit I don't have work at Wal-Mart because I blew every paycheck on bs like everyone else does.

  • @skeletonz00387
    @skeletonz00387 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "the astrology of finance" that's the best thing I've ever heard

  • @turtlepoolservices
    @turtlepoolservices 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    You're a breath of fresh air on this platform.

  • @MarceloAbans
    @MarceloAbans 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    @4:33 Great movie called Pi, where a man supposedly figures out the pattern and then a decent into madness.

  • @alex2143
    @alex2143 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I think you're doing a lot of good by replying to these conmen and spreading some common sense. Thanks for what you do Richard!

  • @mikea5745
    @mikea5745 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    5:48 That total return is more like -80% now. Ouch

  • @Jos_Louis
    @Jos_Louis 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    It was more than just a lackluster "sure" from me. I just liked the video before even watching the full video through. I just look forward to these segments so much LOL.

  • @ignoranceisachoice6045
    @ignoranceisachoice6045 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    401ks also have access to ETFs and the one I had access to, it also had SPDR ETFs including: The S and P 500.
    That guy is probably just one of these 'make your own business' or 'buy real estate' course making people.

  • @owenschmidt6166
    @owenschmidt6166 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I started investing when I was 16. A year later, I’m outperforming S&P 500. I’m glad I have an investing account and that was definitely the best advice in the video.

  • @ralphramsey82
    @ralphramsey82 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    My Jack-O-Lantern stocks dropped off after Halloween. Didn't see that coming...

    • @seanwebb605
      @seanwebb605 ปีที่แล้ว

      I make that joke to anyone who talks investment trends and might be familiar with The Simpsons.

  • @kchal0
    @kchal0 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great video, on the 401k portion, at least here in the US you don't get a refund for the contributions yout put in, you just get to deduct it from your earned income made that year. That could possibily mean you get a tax refund but only if you witheld enough taxes to begin with. Also i'll also note that is only for a traditional 401k, Roth 401ks you get taxed first then the money is taken out of the pay check that is left. That grows tax free and can be withdrawn tax free. Pay taxes now (roth) or pay later (traditional). Both are powerful tools though, that video is pretty sad to see such bad information peddled on tic tok.

    • @PsyrenXY
      @PsyrenXY 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      While you're right that a "refund" is dependent on the size of your withholding, the point is that it reduces your total liability at tax time either way. If you withheld too much you'll get a refund, whereas if you didn't withhold enough you'll owe, but the reduction from the 401k contributions is the same either way.
      You're spot-on about the difference between Roth and Traditional.

    • @chukuemekaoje1015
      @chukuemekaoje1015 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      And worse, that bad info is often used to sell a course, or permanent life insurance

  • @robertporter6641
    @robertporter6641 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I wonder if any of these people realize that their courses are investment advice and if they offer it without a license, it’s illegal.

  • @pinnipes
    @pinnipes ปีที่แล้ว

    i loved this video and i love your patient explanations for why these people are wrong, and your jokes are really on point. that said, the shot of the guy putting on the guy fawkes mask was funnier than anything you could have said

  • @mikesantillana
    @mikesantillana 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is my favorite financial channel!

  • @manvirbedi2952
    @manvirbedi2952 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Hey Richard, been enjoying the vids but I always end up having an underlying question. Since the Tiktoks do not provide reliable information towards those markets, could you provide insight on how we should evaluate an investment, or what resources to use to gain the more reliable information you speak of that is missing. Thanks!

    • @jarenong
      @jarenong 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Fucking read!

  • @DKMYT83
    @DKMYT83 ปีที่แล้ว

    In my college years I tried to save money by investing it AND enjoy life. I ended up with a stupid credit card debt of 2k... Not much but enough to eat up all I could ever save.
    With help I reorganized my dept and got rid of it. Now I am able to live and save money.
    Enjoy live when you are young, start saving early when you can... Do not overstress.

  • @allandnothing5338
    @allandnothing5338 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    7:33 "you're netting 1%, let that compound over, you know, the next 30 years and you're going to be happy with it turning into a pile of nothing. Poof."
    No. Not at all.
    Let's just take the salesman own figure at face value, and run the maths: 1.01 power of 30 = +34.78% (net of inflation as per his example) at the end of 30 years. You haven't lost anything; you're richer than. And that was just a regular compounded 1%. If we take into account the matching contribution, that returns is 169.57% at the end of 30 years. That's 3.36% annual returns (net of inflation), for a passive investment.
    These are not crazy high returns, but your final amount would still be much bigger than your initial investment.
    Bottom line: don't listen to a "financial advisor" who is so clueless that he's throwing numbers without realizing that they don't support the story he's serving his audience...

  • @Strift104
    @Strift104 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Say what you will, but 'assetentities' is one of the best TikTok handles I've ever seen

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  • @melogranohifi
    @melogranohifi ปีที่แล้ว

    Personally the thing I find funniest about the last video here is that arguably the guy who’s made the most money as a trader in history is Jim Simons, who not only has a college degree, he has a PhD in math and will likely go down in history more for his contribution to quantum physics than for his investing

  • @nicolashofmann2956
    @nicolashofmann2956 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fractional shares are not a thing everywhere. Her in Germany you can get those only via a savings plan, indiviual buys work only for full shares of a stock.

  • @joshuaknoll925
    @joshuaknoll925 ปีที่แล้ว

    With 401k matching, I think people give too much weight to the excise tax if you pull it out early. If you really want that money somewhere else, you're still better off putting in enough to get the full match and then pulling it out right away. After the excise tax, you've still made an immediate 80% return with no risk.

  • @ExtremeComments9
    @ExtremeComments9 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    "Aggressively wrong" Hahaha great video

  • @Magic_beans_
    @Magic_beans_ 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    5:00 (Technical analysis of a fake stock chart) - If the reviews were consistent it at least suggests there’s a method to TA, and it could just be that the coin flips happened to randomly create a pattern they’d see as bullish.
    I think the real gotcha would be if different analysts all gave different reviews, indicating they’re just seeing what they want to see. An example would be the NOVA system that’s supposed to help classify foods as more or less heavily processed. There have been studies where researchers asked trained professionals to rate various foods and there was very little consistency to their responses. _That’s_ the kind of result that tells you a metric is arbitrary or so vague as to be unhelpful.

  • @theanthonyrrmillsshow3876
    @theanthonyrrmillsshow3876 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I work for Amazon, we have probably 20 or more mutual funds to choose from in out 401-K.

  • @GoExploreHD
    @GoExploreHD 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I understand your point that teenagers probably don't have the fundamentals down to jump straight into stock picking, but maybe a video would be helpful about how kids or teenagers can start to develop some of those skills before they go to college. I'm thinking maybe some online references or some of your other videos which outline some of the economic factors involved in the market. And maybe suggest dipping their toes in with virtual stock trading such as the stock market game. That would provide a safe place for them to pick stocks and practice researching without having to accept the risk associated with actual trading. I know some schools do this and you always have the kids that just pick the popular brands, but some kids will take it seriously and actually do some research into what they pick.

    • @cryptobanter6677
      @cryptobanter6677 2 ปีที่แล้ว

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  • @pgstravels
    @pgstravels ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very 1st “advisor” I expect the google stock to double in the next 6 months. Not exactly going as planned

  • @ayeminoo2067
    @ayeminoo2067 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The only channel worth listerning to. Thank bro.

  • @DiscipleSteven
    @DiscipleSteven 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I used to live in the US and had a 401k. I think it does depend on the employer but I had some great index and mutual funds available to me, include an S&P 500 index fund. I didnt have a lot there and eventually pulled it out to add to emergency fund here in Canada but it was pretty good for me.