ND1 - only the Club had the limited-slip diff. I own two 2018s, a GT and a Club. I drive the Club and my wife drives the GT. Both are nice weather summer cars only, so both are like new. I have no desire to update to an ND3 as these are just toys for us, and a fun non-tracked backroad machine for me. Traded my C5 Vette for the Miata and never regretted it.
I did the same too vette 4 Miata! I was finance mgr in mid 90s for a prominent Chevy Cadillac etc franchise & I had a 96 manual Vette as my demo. Our dealership campaigned & raced autocross all over the Bay Area. The Vette was plagued with build quality n plastics falling off etc. I traded it in on an na and raced n beat the vettes in autocross consistently 😂😂🙌 On my 4th Miata now.
One thing I thought was interesting is that you didn’t mention anything about the revised steering. That seems to be a huge point of contention amongst ND owners with the new ND3, and not really noticeable in my experience. I think the ND2 is a nice middle ground with middle price point if the smaller screen isn’t an issue. Thanks for the comparison!
Great video Q! After you sharing the differences, i think I will definitely lean towards ND3! I like the subtle changes and that antenna on the back of the ND1 give me early 90s vibes lol
This ND1 is not in good shape. The amount of sag on that top in the rearview mirror is not normal. My 2016 with 100k doesn't sag at all. Either the straps broke on this one or the soundproofing liner back there is sagging. Both were TSBs so somebody really should have bothered the dealer about it but didn't. But yeah the one you drove doesn't have LSD and has the standard dampers. And believe it or not, some prefer it this way. This is how most 1.5L NDs came from the factory (on 16s tho w/the Yokohama summers) and it handles and feels amazing. Engine-wise, 1.5L always revved to 7500 and was specifically developed for the ND. Here's what they did to create the 2.0L in the ND1, as a last minute decision to include a bigger engine: - Convert engine to longitudinal - Lightened flywheel - Different exhaust headers for space reasons - Premium fuel tune, mainly for throttle response - Pretty metal valve cover
Shout out to that orange WRX in your video and yeah I think the ND3 is the way to go, you can hear the difference in power when you got on it, the ND3 seems like it revs higher.
That 2016 GT model with the Soul Red paint weighs an extra 15 pounds just from that paint ! In 2016 the GT didn't have the LSD or the Bilstein shocks. That is why I went with the 2016 Club in Artic White ( weighs the lightest in paint ) soft top Brembo brakes / BBS wheels. I can live without the heated seats / or the active headlights that turn with the wheel. So its a difference right off the bat from your 2024 GT. The 0 to 60 time should be very close 5.5 seconds if you shift right in that 2016 without the LSD. The torque curve is actually a touch better up to 4,500 RPMs in the ND1 until you get up in the rev range. Also the 2024 gained some weight over the ND1 ( 2340 pounds ) in the Club soft top. The ND2 you don't have to shift as quickly because of that extended rev range. BTW those are Coco Mats in that ND1. I like the driving format better. 😎
LSD wasn’t added in the Grand Touring trim until 2019 and from that point it was only the manual transmissions that got it. Automatics still do not have a LSD.
Fun fact, the Abarth 124 was the only version that did get the LSD, strut tower brace, and Bilstein dampers on the automatic. Also, 2019 was the weird year where the LSD was part of the GT-S option package on the US GT trims. It became standard with GT trims in 2020.
You know what stands out in the video comparison? The screen is sooooo much sleeker, looks like a Galaxy Ultra vs a kids android tablet. Is the rear view mirror also sleeker? It seems like the bezel is thinner on the ND3 even for the mirror!!
Same. Had my 16 since buying new in early 17. Sure a newer one would be nice, but it still runs great at 85,000 miles. Even on the original transmission despite running 200TW tires & autocrossing every season. I did add a backup camera recently.
@@danielisbell I thought about adding the backup camera but really its such a small car couldn't justify adding one. The 2016 Club I have for 7+ years has been a great car. Never auto Xed or tracked it. It gets driven hard when traffic allows though. Nice to hear your original transmission is going good at 85,000 ! I think the key to many is just changing the transmission oil before 30,000. Every 30,000 should be a change.
@@ag4allgood Yeah, I change transmission and differential fluid every 30k. And backing up with the top down was fine, but I have some huge blind spots with the top up. Also, the Mazda backup camera allows me to see if traffic is coming when the SUVs parked everywhere around me otherwise block my view.
Good content and comparison videos! Passed on my old dream car recently (s2000) since I didn’t want to daily it but looking at Miata’s as second car in the next year or two. These new NDs are nice but might go back as far as 2006. Any recommendations? Also you have my current dream car Integra type S 🔥
The interior of the ND is much nicer than the NC. The ND is also faster & gets better fuel economy. That said, the NC with PRHT is a great daily driver option. My ND1 soft top is noticeably louder on the interstate than my previous NC1 PRHT. The NC also had just tiny bit more interior space, a glove box, & a bigger trunk. None of that really matters for me, but it will for some. The NC also had to use a special cable for an iPod. It had a basic stereo, so controlling the iPod was a complicated memorization game using multi-CD changer controls (yes, I feel you cringing at me Gen-Z).
Usually more shifting means a slower time. It really depends on your ND1. Does it have a LSD ? How light is it ? Have you cleaned the MAF sensor ? Done the regular maintenance ? What tires / wheels are on it.
@@QueTheChaotic BTW nice back to back review. Just switched from a ND1 RF to ND3. You can feel the difference between the two. Regarding the steering wheel, that's a Corsa-D? It looks a little thicker than OEM. Does it also feel like that? Also you still can see the instrument like with the OEM wheel, correct?
@@nicovansteen7998 yup it’s a Corsa D. Check out the install Installing custom Guardian Designs steering wheel on my 2024 ND3 Miata th-cam.com/video/g9sIzg3NYj0/w-d-xo.html
160hp vs 184hp.. 160 has a little better torque below 3000rpm. From 3000 to ~5000, they have the exact same power. Above 5000rpm the nd2 is a little stronger.
Best deal gotta be the ND2 to me, the bump in power and all the other revisions they made I genuinely can’t live without
ND1 - only the Club had the limited-slip diff. I own two 2018s, a GT and a Club. I drive the Club and my wife drives the GT. Both are nice weather summer cars only, so both are like new. I have no desire to update to an ND3 as these are just toys for us, and a fun non-tracked backroad machine for me. Traded my C5 Vette for the Miata and never regretted it.
Nice!
I did the same too vette 4 Miata!
I was finance mgr in mid 90s for a prominent Chevy Cadillac etc franchise & I had a 96 manual Vette as my demo. Our dealership campaigned & raced autocross all over the Bay Area. The Vette was plagued with build quality n plastics falling off etc. I traded it in on an na and raced n beat the vettes in autocross consistently 😂😂🙌
On my 4th Miata now.
Keep the Miata content coming
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One thing I thought was interesting is that you didn’t mention anything about the revised steering. That seems to be a huge point of contention amongst ND owners with the new ND3, and not really noticeable in my experience.
I think the ND2 is a nice middle ground with middle price point if the smaller screen isn’t an issue. Thanks for the comparison!
That’s for commenting. It was hard to notice a difference in steering on the street.
Great video Q! After you sharing the differences, i think I will definitely lean towards ND3! I like the subtle changes and that antenna on the back of the ND1 give me early 90s vibes lol
This ND1 is not in good shape. The amount of sag on that top in the rearview mirror is not normal. My 2016 with 100k doesn't sag at all. Either the straps broke on this one or the soundproofing liner back there is sagging. Both were TSBs so somebody really should have bothered the dealer about it but didn't.
But yeah the one you drove doesn't have LSD and has the standard dampers. And believe it or not, some prefer it this way. This is how most 1.5L NDs came from the factory (on 16s tho w/the Yokohama summers) and it handles and feels amazing. Engine-wise, 1.5L always revved to 7500 and was specifically developed for the ND.
Here's what they did to create the 2.0L in the ND1, as a last minute decision to include a bigger engine:
- Convert engine to longitudinal
- Lightened flywheel
- Different exhaust headers for space reasons
- Premium fuel tune, mainly for throttle response
- Pretty metal valve cover
Shout out to that orange WRX in your video and yeah I think the ND3 is the way to go, you can hear the difference in power when you got on it, the ND3 seems like it revs higher.
The sound is most likely the exhaust but it does rev a bit higher. Meh to the Subaru lol
Keep up the great work. Love the Miata content!
Appreciate it!
Great comparison as usual, Que! I wonder how my tuned ND1 would stack up against a stock ND2/3?
I’ve seen a video on TH-cam of someone doing pulls of a tuned ND1 vs ND2. If I recall it was very close, but the ND2 still pulled ahead slightly.
I wanna see this race
@@QueTheChaotic th-cam.com/video/ngxg1R4cyQQ/w-d-xo.htmlsi=UTcwAwhoniCiB6MN
Pulls at about 5:45 in.
That 2016 GT model with the Soul Red paint weighs an extra 15 pounds just from that paint ! In 2016 the GT didn't have the LSD or the Bilstein shocks. That is why I went with the 2016 Club in Artic White ( weighs the lightest in paint ) soft top Brembo brakes / BBS wheels. I can live without the heated seats / or the active headlights that turn with the wheel. So its a difference right off the bat from your 2024 GT. The 0 to 60 time should be very close 5.5 seconds if you shift right in that 2016 without the LSD. The torque curve is actually a touch better up to 4,500 RPMs in the ND1 until you get up in the rev range. Also the 2024 gained some weight over the ND1 ( 2340 pounds ) in the Club soft top. The ND2 you don't have to shift as quickly because of that extended rev range. BTW those are Coco Mats in that ND1. I like the driving format better. 😎
10:13 "She didn't even turn around." 🤣🤣🤣
😆😆😆 she forgot
@@QueTheChaotic A GT350 or ZL-1 will make her look. 👀
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@@BLUPRINT1LE (She didn't forget, she couldn't hear that joint.)🤣
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LSD wasn’t added in the Grand Touring trim until 2019 and from that point it was only the manual transmissions that got it. Automatics still do not have a LSD.
Thank you
Fun fact, the Abarth 124 was the only version that did get the LSD, strut tower brace, and Bilstein dampers on the automatic. Also, 2019 was the weird year where the LSD was part of the GT-S option package on the US GT trims. It became standard with GT trims in 2020.
@@danielisbellTotally forgot about the GT-S! Nice clarification.
You know what stands out in the video comparison? The screen is sooooo much sleeker, looks like a Galaxy Ultra vs a kids android tablet. Is the rear view mirror also sleeker? It seems like the bezel is thinner on the ND3 even for the mirror!!
Lol! You're right on both
This is why I deleted the screen on my ND1 (but kept the computer). Never looked back!
Wheels in ND3 GT much nicer vs ND1. Although BBS looks best. That red tho......wow
Love my ND1 miata 👌
Same. Had my 16 since buying new in early 17. Sure a newer one would be nice, but it still runs great at 85,000 miles. Even on the original transmission despite running 200TW tires & autocrossing every season. I did add a backup camera recently.
@@danielisbell I thought about adding the backup camera but really its such a small car couldn't justify adding one. The 2016 Club I have for 7+ years has been a great car. Never auto Xed or tracked it. It gets driven hard when traffic allows though. Nice to hear your original transmission is going good at 85,000 ! I think the key to many is just changing the transmission oil before 30,000. Every 30,000 should be a change.
@@ag4allgood Yeah, I change transmission and differential fluid every 30k. And backing up with the top down was fine, but I have some huge blind spots with the top up. Also, the Mazda backup camera allows me to see if traffic is coming when the SUVs parked everywhere around me otherwise block my view.
Good content and comparison videos! Passed on my old dream car recently (s2000) since I didn’t want to daily it but looking at Miata’s as second car in the next year or two. These new NDs are nice but might go back as far as 2006. Any recommendations?
Also you have my current dream car Integra type S 🔥
Nice! I haven't driven anything but the ND Miatas. I will be trying to review older Miatas and an S2000 soon.
The interior of the ND is much nicer than the NC. The ND is also faster & gets better fuel economy. That said, the NC with PRHT is a great daily driver option. My ND1 soft top is noticeably louder on the interstate than my previous NC1 PRHT. The NC also had just tiny bit more interior space, a glove box, & a bigger trunk. None of that really matters for me, but it will for some. The NC also had to use a special cable for an iPod. It had a basic stereo, so controlling the iPod was a complicated memorization game using multi-CD changer controls (yes, I feel you cringing at me Gen-Z).
The NC2 (I believe 2009 and up) has some upgrades that make it more desirable.
Pretty sure the ND1 has the same gear ratios as the ND2/ND3, so the speed at redline will be lower in every gear. More shifting= win?
Usually more shifting means a slower time. It really depends on your ND1. Does it have a LSD ? How light is it ? Have you cleaned the MAF sensor ? Done the regular maintenance ? What tires / wheels are on it.
Is that an Mazda original replacement steering wheel on your ND3? I kinda like it.
It’s a Guardian design steering wheel.
@@QueTheChaotic BTW nice back to back review. Just switched from a ND1 RF to ND3. You can feel the difference between the two. Regarding the steering wheel, that's a Corsa-D? It looks a little thicker than OEM. Does it also feel like that? Also you still can see the instrument like with the OEM wheel, correct?
@@nicovansteen7998 yup it’s a Corsa D. Check out the install
Installing custom Guardian Designs steering wheel on my 2024 ND3 Miata
th-cam.com/video/g9sIzg3NYj0/w-d-xo.html
S2000 is where it’s at. Have you ever driven one?
I have a review I did on one last year. I’m gonna do a comparison video soon
160hp vs 184hp..
160 has a little better torque below 3000rpm. From 3000 to ~5000, they have the exact same power. Above 5000rpm the nd2 is a little stronger.
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