Schulhof Model 1887 Manual Ring-Trigger Pistol
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Josef Schulhof was the the first and most prolific designer of manually operated pistols in Austria in the 1880s. For a brief few years, there was a lot of developmental work done in this field, comparable really only to the American Volcanic system. The Austrian pistols were more practical, and as they still predated the development of any practical self-loading pistols, there was a chance that they could have become commercially relevant. This did not actually happen, of course, as any advantages they offered over revolvers were still better in the crop of self-loaders that emerged in the late 1890s.
Schulhof’s first pistols were patented in 1884, and he experimented with a variety of locking system and magazine systems. This example is an 1887 type, with a spring-loaded rotating bolt and a 6-round rotary magazine. It was intended to be fired from an open bolt, rather like a double-action revolver - but it could be carried with the chamber loaded an a manual safety engaged.
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I like how space guns are more often than not designed after guns from the 19th century.
Or they're from Africa.
I don't think they're designed after them, at least not intentionally. Design trends just tend to come back every now and then.
Prop companies buy surplus guns :D
Also, a galaxy that is less-then-half explored just calls back to last decades of 'wild West'.
From an aesthetic standpoint, I think it's because that is the time period where the interpretation of what a gun looks like is the broadest due to the rapid advancement of technology. Let's not forget that we went from single shot muzzle loading pistols to what we can be recognizably modern handgun in about 70 years.
That is actually pretty slick
I'll disagree on one point. It seems to me that the internal magazine in that pistol is better than the cylinder of a revolver. Carrying rounds in a strip would be much less bulky than a speed loader, and it would be much faster to reload than revolvers that use a loading gate instead of being a break-open or swing-out. I'd even say that the magazine design is almost as practical as a detachable box. I'm really impressed by how simple it is and how streamlined it makes the pistol.
Chamber it in 357 and call it the almost auto mag.
@@justforever96 Maybe not for pistols but for rifles they certainly were.
I guess you've never heard of speed strips.
@@randomidiot8142the manual mag
This needs an enterprising type with a patreon to reverse engineer for CNC using modern metallurgy
Stripper clips are awesome.
@@CampVictoria Ian made a video about patents, blueprints and why recreating old firearms using them isn't as easy as first imagined.
@@Graphictruth I too find clips of strippers awesome
@@CampVictoria It is cheaper to buy the antique.
@@aldever4968 The same with Lugers. A new production Lugerman is extremely expensive. Especially if you want a .45 or 10mm.
I like these old manually repeating pistols. They have a certain charm about them and very interesting mechanics. :)
I'm surprised it didn't take off. That's a very interesting design that could have been much more useful with some tweaks
It's way better than a revolver for "combat" use.
I'm sure if semi auto pistols werent just around the corner they would've become more popular.
I don’t think the average person would be willing to get something so whacky an unique. They would probably go with a revolver which is what they know.
That's what I was thinking. Being it's basically a bolt action system levered to operate with one finger, I wonder if anyone considered the design for say, the Welrod pistol?
It was probably expensive to buy and it looks a bit fragile, especially with the bolt being open when not in use letting dirt and crud in.
It's amazing how many familiar bits from modern rifles are present here!
It feels like a "lever-action" pistol.
That's exactly what it is.
Kinda. Volcanic is closer to that
I love how clean and smooth the outside is. It could easily be a Star Wars Blaster.
This is probably my favorite pistol of that era. Really, a cool piece of history.
What other field of endevour allows a journalist, renowned though he may be, to comandeer rare and unique display items then proceed to dissassemble them in a choreographed mechanical autopsy for and to the delight of his audience?
@Justan Ol' Guy Ian also has a m.e. degree gives improved insight yes?
Fantastic episode Ian. A true forgotten weapon.
That's really damn awesome design..gotta love it
The dude was really thinking ahead of his time. Seemed like his ultimate design would have been a smokeless, rimless, magazine fed semi auto pistol..
This honestly looks like something you'd see in a magic fantasy setting (that avoids the medieval stasis trope).
What a cool action! Definitely has its drawbacks but its such a clever not-quite automatic from the turn of the last century, and very elegant looking to boot.
I think that's the most beautiful pistol I've ever seen.
Someone: names his gun Schulhof Pistole
America joined the game
That’s a varusteleka merino wool hoodie; good choice man!
One of these in .44 Russian or .455 Webley would make this a serious pistol for short range defence. Would be a hoot to shoot as well
I watched your video on the air crewman revolver and I found a S&W Air crewman with matching numbers as well as a 5” K38. Your videos inspired me to collect weird and rare guns. Namely cop guns but I may expand into trainer guns too.
Show off? Yes, that's why I am here to see you show off the historical guns!
That's a really neat pistol! I'd love to get my hands on one.
Sometimes the most objective and neutral title is the most clickable one
But the translation of the name is rather macabre: schoolyard pistol
@@HappyBeezerStudios I know. That's the joke here.
My comment was supposed to be kinda tongue-in-cheek about the completely neutral title inadvertantly implying such a macabre scenario like a pistol designed for use on schoolyards
I love this gun! I want one in .44 Russian! Man that is a slick looking firearm and it appears it could give some very good accuracy, perhaps with a bit more of a bulge in the belly could hold 7 or 8 .44 rounds. When I worked on the PD I carried a .45 ACP from the time I had enough money to buy my own firearm and ammo. As a matter of fact it was the economy that get me into reloading for all my guns, which, from time to time numbered over 50, till today when I have sold off all but my 3 favorites, two .45's and dad's old Remington Target Master Jr. .22, a rifle that put food on our table for more years then I can recall. Dad was a crack shot both with the peep that came on the rifle and as his eyesight gave out, the little JC Higgins 4X scope he had Wally Springier mount so he could still hit the pheasants "right between the eyes.
Very cool little pistol. Too bad he didn't see success with his firearm designs, but it sounds like the man's other inventions saw more use. Seems like he was probably a pretty interesting dude.
Looking forward to this series
Very surprised at how snappy that action was! #respect
Very fascinating stuff. I am looking forward to the series.
Great vid, as always. Thank you for all your work. This is a fascinating gun that i Knew little and less about, until now :)
I saw the screwdriver 🪛 come out and almost lost it with excitement. The really old and rare guns hardly never get stripped. 👍🏼
Honestly I was expecting a lot more claptrap inside that thing. Realistically, it's no more complicated than an American revolver. A continental Galand action is obviously much simpler, hence its great success, but this really isn't that bad engineering-wise
A revolver with a sling-out or top-break cylinder is a more practical design overall.
I too was expecting much more mechanical bits but the way that V springs works is absolutely genius. Really simplifies things.
"She stopped marketing the pistols, when it was clear other technologies had the advantage"
That puts her ahead of a certain Fitzgerald, who tried to market his manually operated salvo gun, when it was clear, that the machine gun had the advantage.
Always had a thing for ring triggers... Excellent video! And as always, I have to wonder who the downvoters are. Seriously, nobody else has such in-depth and informative content on rare firearms here; professionally and competently filmed & explained. What can there possibly be to dislike?
Such a beautiful pistol.
Seems like a gun designed for the american market, going by the name
how come? is it about some gun control laws? I struggle to understand it
EDIT: I get it now, it's something about "school yard".
@@proCaylak "Schoolyard" pistol.
Cursed comment right here
Took me a few seconds:D That's dark, man...
Damn you beat me to it...
Always a little surprised at the low capacity of many early auto-loaders and manual pistols. Guess it took them a while to figure out how many rounds they could really stuff into a handgun.
What a cool fírearm. I wish there were more of them. I would love to add one to my collection. I'm getting to the point that I can open a museum. I shoot all the shooters but the rare stuff is nice and happy I'm my big gun safe. Those I don't shoot or can't because there ammunition is as expensive as the fírearm almost. I'm always looking for rim fire ammunition now .22. I have my dad's collection of derringers and they are all rim fire. I have 4 rounds that I am looking for but I'm not going to advertise here. It would be great to display them together although I am the only one that see's them. That's why I would consider putting them in my own museum. I have wanted to open a antique fírearms shop where I didn't sell any new fírearms but it sounds great but I know it wouldn't work. Too many kids wanting AR-15'S and Glocks. Not that there is anything wrong with that. I own my fair share of shooters just not many have plastic on them. I just love old fírearms. Someone has to be the keeper of time when it comes to fírearms and the evolution of them. Keep on teaching us. Like I have always said I learn something new every day and I have been in the fírearms industry in some form for the last 30+ years. Happy Safe Shooting🇺🇸💪
It looks like a neat little gun, i would carry it in 1890.
Looks pretty futuristic for a 1887 weapon
I could definitely turn that into a Star Wars blaster
Hopefully just a 3d print of one...
Such a interesting design
i´s goin´ to scool and currently am in Vienna. but i remember it was already wrong to bring a bb gun to "Schulhof".
Pretty sure I've seen a similar design in Naboo.
Amazing design!
Seems kludgy at first but then you see the genius of the design. The analogy of the double action revolver is perfect. I'm guessing the enclosed action offered somewhat better protection from dirt and debris.
The antique/C&R firearms community needs a more concise and catchy name for the button on early fixed-mag semiautos and guns like this that makes the ammo fly out. I suggest we call it the McCarthy Switch.
I think it would be cool if you had (3D printed) ammunition dummies to show the loading and extraction action of these kind of guns as the mechanics are the innovative part.
Oh a MOP system nice with an twist aswell
Amazing gun, this is the kind of guns I want to see in movies :D
Not sure exactly why exactly but I really like that pistol.
Like the mechanism of the gun.
Beautiful weapon very interesting
Love your videos ian!
This would be so fun in 22LR, with a can.
Manually operated pistols would be a neat niche product to make even now for the people that are willing to spend thousands on range toys.
Wait, it's chambered for rimless cartridges? Then how does the extractor work?
yeah i would like to know that as well, maybe you need to pull the cartridge stop to eject it. idk
Do you think that Disney/Star Wars has one person who’s only job is to watch Forgotten weapons looking for the next blaster design?
innocent times when a firearm could be named literally schoolyard-gun and nobody thought much of it ...
Could you have a spiral magazine chamber to get more ammo?
Cool gun and a good video, as usual! :)
Just a little hint:
"Wien" in german is pronounced more like "ween"! The "e" in "ie" is almost always just making the "i" longer/more pronounced ...
Huh... the look could make for a nice, fancy SW Blaster
On today's episode of "Ian finds a laser pistol from a 50's Sci-fi"
This is so cool
It has that Buck Rogers / Flash Gordon appeal and could have taken a wrong turn and stumbled out of Steam Punk. I wish my pockets were deep enough or someone could 3D print a metal 22LR version.
That pistol probably shoots super straight
That's like... What led to the luger, right?
Does anyone know if Ian has any plans to increase the video resolution at some point?
I would be interested in seeing the ammo that pistol fired.
Very cool.
The perfect Steampunk pistol.
150 years later that name is very unfortunate
Ancap pistol Ancap pistol
This is beautiful!
Ian looks good in that jacket
This design is very clever.
Not as simple or convenient as a (well-designed) semi-auto, but it really is a very clever piece of engineering.
It would be incredible though for shooting suppressed if it had a threaded barrel!
you know this is why i like guns, the engineering and shooting.
This design was well ahead of the manufacturing of the day. It could be easily be made with a combination of additive and subtractive techniques and it could be a viable weapon.
Stripper clips are a compact and secure way to carry ammunition. An integral suppressor could, with the right cartridge, make it safe to shoot without ear protection.
If semi-automatic pistols become illegal and a revolver isn't suitable, this is a viable solution for many use cases.
Or you could, you know, refuse to comply and stand up for your rights.
But what benefit is to this compared to a revolver ? Because that would be its competition. I think its harder to load and reload.
I, for one, welcome our new Austrian manually-operated pistol overlords. I look forward to seeing more designs
Gaston’s great, great grandfather? 😳
With the current administration in America.those "high capacity manually- operated assualt pistols" are BANNED
@@johnsegertsons2143 TRY to be apolitical! Lots of lefties love guns.
This pistol looks like it could be as fun to shoot as a Hi-Standard with even better accuracy. Just imagine how crisp that trigger could be. Might even be boring to shoot at 25 feet.
@@Graphictruth
Name one ??
EVERY legislation restricting fire arms EVER passed in the United States has been the work of "Lefty's" GET A CLUE!
and maybe familiarize yourself with the CURRENT ADMINISTRATIONS policies
@@johnsegertsons2143 the Left proposes gun control and the “right” bends over and accepts it. When have conservatives ever conserved anything
This would make a pretty slick base gun for a Star Wars blaster.
like a fancy one some rich person would have??
Don’t say that or some prop department guy is going to buy up a dozen of them and go ham with a Dremel and hot glue gun.
Looks similar to Padme's blaster pistol
@@john-paulsilke893 At this point, it's cheaper for them to 3d print copies. That for sure wasn't the case up until the last few years, though, and doesn't apply if a prop house already has examples in house.
I was just thinking that I might be seeing this in one of the new Star Wars shows in the next few years.
This looks like some kind of steampunk nightmare and I want to shoot it
@@kenbrown2808 I thought 22 LR is more expensive than 9mm nowadays. Or is that no longer the case
You'll have to make it yourself then, considering how these auctions go, thankfully this design should be in the public domain by now.
This is basically a bolt-action pistol, only that you can operate the bolt together with the trigger. Very clever.
lever action pistol more accurately.
Straight pull bolt action mechanically.
Seems pretty interesting , it's basically a one finger operated bolt action pistol. Wonder why that concept wasn't studied for something like the Welrod.
In the Welrod's case, there wasn't a straightforward need. If you're using a Welrod according to its intended purpose, you're more or less at extremely close range and your target is "already dead."
Welrods were also supposed to be fairly cheap, the originals don't actually have a grip, using Colt 1911 magazines with some rubber or epoxy applied to the bottom of it if I recall, and were designed to look like bike pumps when unloaded. It's a case of trying to answer a question I doubt anyone was asking. What was needed was a gun capable of offing a guy at very close ranges that made little, if any, noise. Frilly things like "return fire" were not a part of the design docket.
@@harleymitchelly5542 While this is true, I still want to see a Ring-Trigger operated Welrod.
Man do i love old obscure pistols!
That's the reason I'm here, remember his series on handmade chinese clone pistols, man that was amazing!
@@billrichard5214 Yeah
@@Mountain-Man-3000 yeah. So many weird and out there designs!
Looks like kind of a real gentleman's gun, mostly because the design reminds me on the top part of a cane.
Thinking about it, the cane disguise could be accomplished quite easily.
Well,...
if it weren't for the name Schulhof (school yard)
@@Oberkommando
I made an effort not to make that "joke", since I had already seen it in the comments so often that you could string them from Columbine to Erfurt.
@@ShootAUT yeah I realized it after I had written this. Yours was my top comment and being Austrian it was my first thought
@@Oberkommando Eh meiner auch. 😁
European made pistols/revolvers from that time period look like something an 1950s movie alien would threaten humans with.
Or, in this case, like something that would work really well for a SW Blaster.
The year 1887 was closer to 1950 than 1950 is to 2021..
@@CCCW Dear person, your calculation is a truly destructive device.
I like how you just get so completely engrossed into cool obscure gun mechanics, Ian. Truly shows your passion for your profession.
If you're gonna post a 'schulhof' comment, don't.
There are already enough in the comments.
@UCcaebIWY-5E0-1Xi95R0IZQ It means "schoolyard"..
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I thought there are enough school shootings to change gun laws, but that is apparently also not the case. Keep 'em coming
Schul hoff means School of David Hasselhoff...
@@89DerChristian We dont need more laws, we need more education
Another comment to point out that Schulhof is German for Schoolyard.
But I'm gonna add that the way Ian pronounces it it sounds a lot like Kölsch, a regional dialect in Cologne/Rhineland 😄
As a Rhinelander, i can confirm this.
His 'Wi-en' was interesting, very French.
@@onpsxmember It's probably just because he's used to calling it Vienna
@@DominikHatHunger Sischa dat.
@@onpsxmember oddly enough.
Manufacturer I've never heard of? Actuation I've never considered? Vaguely to do with firearms???
I'm in. Keep up the awesome work Ian!
wo ist dann das Modell Klassenzimmer?
Hat der Lehrer eingesackt.
in amerika
Das wurde durch das Modell "Bibliothek" mit integriertem Schalldämpfer ersetzt.
Es fliegt.......
That's a cool gun, Jesus.
That’s a cool Gun Jesus.
Hand over my gun Jesus!
Definatly a pistol to drool over and then buy a sensible revolver.
Thinking the same. I would rather have something proven and reliable in a life or death situation. Plus - a revolver can accommodate more powerful ammo, which is still true today.
Love anything 19th Century Austrian stuff...literally anything they did at this time interests me. Even better yet Schulhoff is a Südeten arms designer as are my roots.
This was soo close to be semi-automatic in mechanism.
That's how a lot of technology advanced. Slow, slow, slow, then suddenly it's something else entirely.
@@Stevarooni talk about slow, i still can't understand why the german army used the K98k til the end of the war, when semi-auto rifles with mags were way better.
i mean heck, even the assault rifle was defeloped at pretty much the same time (1-2 years difference)
THEN it went fast tho.... i agree.
@@Blei1986 unfortunately for the Germans, their technology arrived as their capabilities were waning. And it takes years to change manufacturing lines to a new product, especially with a completely new design.
@@Stevarooni true...
i still think even rushing a trench in WW1 with a bolt action rifle is closer to using a *musket* than any modern rifle.
imo a HUGE difference.
@@Blei1986 semi-auto is a good improvement over a bolt action, but a musket is 4 shots-per-minute with a skilled shooter, while the standard for Brits with their Lee-Enfield rifles was 15 shots-per-minute (the record, with good accuracy, was 38). The M1 Garand shoots around 40-50 with a trained shooter. Muskets are a far cry from a bolt action. Semi-auto takes less training to achieve similar (but better) results to a bolt action rifle.
Who had the first rotating bolt in a firearm? I was surprised to see one on one from so far back.
Its neat, but I'd rather have a Smith and Wesson Russian in a fight.
definitely an example
of when Ian should go
RIGHT-HANDED for the demo
so he can show how the THUMB
can push the safety off for the
pointer to finish the firing
That’s the most interesting gun you’ve had on in a while.
This gun seems like It doesn't know what era it comes from lmao, looks almost 1950s Sci fi 😂.
I'm picturing most gun buyers in the period wondering how this is an improvement on a revolver.
And soldiers saying, please don't let the king receive a large gift from Schulhof.
Seems like this design would have been more useful and durable than many early semi-autos. I think it would make a great pocket pistol in .25 or .32, and with a rotating bolt, it could probably handle some pretty spicy rounds too.
This would have made a cool rifle action......
But of course the Europeans never caught on to lever actions......
Except the Russians that one time