Twitch Chat actually managed to emulate modern game development cycle quite accurately. 1. Create a basic proof of concept 2. Add microtransactions and battle pass 3. Start making the game work and add features (optional)
For you to understand how much effort the editor put in this, Doug was figuring out microtransactions for longer on stream than the whole span of the edited video.
damn, those streams must suck to be honest. the condensed stuff on youtube is funny but sitting for like an hour and watching this would be a nightmare
@@jezusmylord Try watching some first, it's not like people follow Doug just because of his TH-cam stuff. Man is actually entertaining and the coding stuff can be interesting to follow.
@RepentandbelieveinJesusChrist5 Jesus told me to buy this game and it's DLC, greatly recommended for me, 10/10, could beat the Game Awards of Game of the All Time (Source: the Bible)
15:37 "If we have to drop either microtransactions or [core gameplay feature] maybe we drop [core gameplay feature]" Just like real life game development
Yea well chat forces doug to make money in so many of his videos, I'm hardly supprised they went ride or die on microtransactions. I'm more supprised they managed to get some barebones physics in there
@@Omega-mr1jg It can certainly help as a referencing tool but you have to be careful. A friend of mine on her programming course has as a resource and it's provided code that doesn't function when applied.
In the AMERICA!!!!!!!!!! Ending where you shoot 5 fireworks up while eating a hamburger, you see a distorted Pointcrow face with red eyes and the text “I did it, you can’t hide” then cutting to a mangled bloody 8 bit guy fieri corpse then cutting to black. I wonder what the lore implications of this are 🤔
Average Ubisoft Boardroom Meeting: 20:26 "[SEQUEL] has so many new features that it doesn't matter if the core fundamentals of [ORIGINAL] don't work perfectly ok?"
Exactly! Whenever I have it 'create' a story, it's basically already something I've vividly had in my head so its putting my creativity and imagination to words. Even then, I have to tell it how exactly it _should_ go! Faaaar cry from a substitute.
The amount of entertainment Doug is pulling out of the very simple concept of asking ChatGPT to give him a working snake game is astonishing. Like, he is the living example that you can be entertaining doing ANYTHING.
16:43 Nice to have a serious moment in the silly. Fully agreed: AI will be an _incredible_ assistant, as long as the human using it knows what they're doing.
For now, i think. I'm involved in ai research at a university level, and to my admittedly limited understanding(i dont think anyone really understands all or even most of ai, but I'm well below the top of the field) and its becoming rather apparent that a lot of potential roadblocks which make these programs kinda stupid can be overcome in due time. Transformers like GPT may not be the way to get it, but there's a lot of low hanging fruit left to explore and a lot of funding to go around, not to mention the amount of progress is still really fast. We got from "Harry Potter and the portrait of what looked like a large pile of Ash" to this in around 3-4 years of development. There's plenty of pretty severe questions on it up ahead. None of them, to me at least, appear unsolvable given a few years. I might have it all wrong but i think the general prevailing attitude around ai these days is very risky and passive. In a relatively short time frame plenty of people could have the rug pulled out from under them and suddenly be completely without economic protections in a ai dominated job market.
I recently tried using ChatGPT to help make a program, and it did about as well as I expected. More than once it made up entire fields and methods, it would send examples that are just wrong, and it would send the same code unchanged after I pointed out it didn't work. I'm told ChatGPT 4 is better at programming, but 3.5 isn't even a better reference than w3schools, so I don't see it being a good assistant.
My limited experience using ChatGPT for coding is that any time you ask anything remotely complex or difficult, it doesn't work and then when you tell it the error, it says: "My apologies, [code] has several problems, this new code will fix them: [exact same code]"
In some cases Github Copilot is a little better but you need some intermediate skills to fix the broken spaghetti code a lot of the time. I'm testing out Google Bard right now.
The thing you said at around 17:00, about it being a great assistant is so true. When I started out in VBA coding at work for macros, the GPT code rarely worked. Without understanding and debugging it yourself it can turn into a nice long torture session until it gets it right randomly.
This is unironiaclly, without a bias, a great game, made by the brightest minds in the DougDoug multiverse. I don't care what some randos at some "game of the year awards" say! I stand by the DougDoug gaming franchise!
Hey Doug, it's your friend ChatGPT here again! Thanks a ton for creating another awesome video featuring the snake game with input from the Twitch chat. The collaborative ideas really make it an engaging experience. By the way, the chat had this wild suggestion about adding a divorce feature to the game - talk about creative twists! Looking forward to more collaborations with the chat in future projects. Keep up the fantastic work! - ChatGPT
Man, we did exactly the same when we had Python classes few years back. We had to create a game and implement some kind of network feature so we decided to do Snake (Since it's not that hard) and after one joke we went full metal gear to a point where title screen played entirety of Snake Eater just with text to speech saying "PYTHON" (Since game was in Python) pasted in every time singer said snake in the original song. From what I remember we didn't even ended up showing that network feature (That was pretty much the main reason why we had to make a game in Python), because professor just couldn't stop laughing the moment he heard "Snake? SNAAAAKE!".
At around 17:05 doug is absolutely right about the moral of the stream, and I respect him if the reason he undertook this whole ordeal was to inform us about the ramifications of AI when it comes to coding. Truly one of the streams ever
After years and years the long awaited sequel for snake the game has finally arrived and all it took was Doug Doug, 100k people on twitch and chatGPT to make it. I can now die peacefully.
*Other TH-camrs:* ChatGPT is a highly advanced AI that can do many functions such as blah blah blah blah *DougDoug:* hehe ChatGPT add gun to snake also G L O B
Doug is a channel I randomly stumbled upon around a year a ago, but he's grown as my favorite content creator. I just love how he interracts with his audience, something that is rare nowadays with most content creators now
It's been so long since the last time you used the "Hey, this is DougDoug, where we solve problems that no one has" intro, I'm so happy it's back. It feels so nostalgic
you have no idea the murderous intent to rip off innocent peoples head i felt when i head “hey, this is dougdoug, where we solve problems that no one has”
I literally shat my pants laughing while watching this lmfaoooo. ...Anddddd diarrhea doug was with me and bro my entire house is brown now pls send help.
Download the hottest new game on the market, Snake 2, here: www.dropbox.com/t/MSPDD1EVw8hSv04N
Also go order some factor it's great
How dare you I just asked it to do it last week >:( I demand compensation
I’m so excited to play this totally not virus.
Doug for some reason my card has 20 charges for snake 2... How did the game get my info???
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Snake SNAAAAKEEE!
Twitch Chat actually managed to emulate modern game development cycle quite accurately.
1. Create a basic proof of concept
2. Add microtransactions and battle pass
3. Start making the game work and add features (optional)
4. Add tons of DLCs that don't really do anything or are outright stolen
@@sapphireblue4031 twitch crime XD
I think your 1 and 2 are backwards.
@@vxicepickxv oh yeah, I forgot Diablo 4 and Destiny 2 exist
Yes, they're making fun of these devs
The fact that Microtransactions were added before multiple core features is far too realistic.
*tsenegammmme*
I’m not kidding it took literally like two whole hours just to get it done and no one was moving till it was done
No if it was realistic they would add hot characters
@@icecream5125 What do you mean? Guy Fieri is in the game
@@randomperson9732 Facts
For you to understand how much effort the editor put in this, Doug was figuring out microtransactions for longer on stream than the whole span of the edited video.
damn fr?
Yeah I think about that while watching other videos too. Like the chat peggle video was around half an hour, but the timer at the end showed 7 hours
damn, those streams must suck to be honest. the condensed stuff on youtube is funny but sitting for like an hour and watching this would be a nightmare
@@jezusmylord nah it's peak entertainment you don't get it
@@jezusmylord Try watching some first, it's not like people follow Doug just because of his TH-cam stuff. Man is actually entertaining and the coding stuff can be interesting to follow.
you have no idea the happiness i felt when i heard “hey, this is dougdoug, where we solve problems that no one has”
Great to see it back 😊
On God, I saw the notification and immediately became ecstatic
Same.
i instantly started smiling i heard it. it’s back :D
fr i missed it :(
The fact that Doug had this in his pocket for a 10 second joke of the game awards is peak DougDoug.
What I love is how I found the VOD two days ago, finished it yesterday, and then he uploaded this today, I was not expecting a video
@@revilno He made the video just for you
@@unothe1st413 " " indeed
@@niko9129 thank you DerrickDimwit!!! (That’s his real official name)
I haven’t laughed this hard in a while. Watching sams confusion when Doug said “OH YOU GOT THE DLC!” Was comedy gold
I was basically laughing the entire second half of the video
I cannot remember the last time i was crying laughing but we sure are now. lmao
I love that Samwitch had the perfect playthrough, got the DLC and the glob
speedrun WR for dlc+glob%
Glob is the true main character of snake 2
@RepentandbelieveinJesusChrist5
Nu uh
@RepentandbelieveinJesusChrist5no glob is savior
@RepentandbelieveinJesusChrist5 Jesus told me to buy this game and it's DLC, greatly recommended for me, 10/10, could beat the Game Awards of Game of the All Time
(Source: the Bible)
Doug posting this almost 6 months after the stream is the most DougDoug thing that he could’ve done
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he waited until the game awards winner was announced to make the joke at the end
my weewee hurts@@Coldcolor900
His hair is… is… BALD!
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15:37 "If we have to drop either microtransactions or [core gameplay feature] maybe we drop [core gameplay feature]"
Just like real life game development
Yea well chat forces doug to make money in so many of his videos, I'm hardly supprised they went ride or die on microtransactions. I'm more supprised they managed to get some barebones physics in there
@@superdead86 less than barebones, a thin layer of bone
Hearing "hey, this is dougdoug, where we solve problems that no one has" after all this time is such a surreal experience
holy shit i just realised he hasn't started his videos like this in a long time
I was so weirded out by that
But it's a problem _I've had_ , as an avid snaker I've wanted, no *NEEDED* _Snake 2TM_ since 1796
False advertising
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First 5 seconds and I had to comment about this.
I love how ChatGPT just instinctively decided to send what was basically a Pointcrow zip bomb
I read this right before it happened and I'm dying laughing
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I’d give y’a a like but you got a nice nmbr of likes
@@notthatbad42get him to the next funny number
I cried laughing at it when it happened.
When the dude brought up stealth mechanics and micro transactions i couldn’t stop laughing
“Snake 2, tears of the kingdom”
Snake 2, tears of me laughing too hard
😂
i’m so glad we got to see both the Wreden brothers’ game design skills. it’s clear how much love and time went into this game
he absolutely should get Davey to play this
Davey has Stanley and Doug has Guy Fieri
Davey should take notes
Doug is slowly going from a gaming channel to a programming channel.
And it's beautiful
Always has been
A Progaming channel.
@@Glory2Snowstar yooooo
@@Glory2Snowstardammit you beat me to it
I love how Doug's chat just picks a word, and then screams it in the chat constantly until they find a new word 😂
GLOB
@@choipichiimGLOB
URG
URG
twitch chat is a revolting baby
Woah, Doug is back to solving problems no one has? I’m a fan.
Imagine commenting without watching the video yet.
Imagine watching the comment without videoing yet@@thraexgladiator
And I'm a human
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imagine saying that on a comment on the litteral first second of the video @@thraexgladiator
The fact that it was able to ADD PHYSICS to SNAKE is legitimately pretty cool
as a snake, how would you rate snake 2?
Yeah but its just a basic 8 way movement script, there are many examples on the internet and it isn't that complicated
@@qazwer001 Snake. Snaaaake!!
Dude I played the game and the physics make the game UNPLAYABLE
@@Phantal_ it's fucking snake with ice physics
"I hate that Minecraft effect"
Proceeds to blare airhorns at max volume to alert a sponsor. lol
Something delights me inordinately about addressing ChatGPT with “Hey big boy.”
Chat GeePeeTee
Cat, I farted
ChatGPT failing to make basic snake is the funniest thing to me
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Its great at individual components, this is why development wont die so easily
@@Omega-mr1jg Yeah, programmers will just go from copy/pasting from stack overflow to copy/pasting from ChatGPT and life will go on
Tbf. chatgpt wasn't told to add them. With more railroading it would probably be more effective.
@@Omega-mr1jg It can certainly help as a referencing tool but you have to be careful. A friend of mine on her programming course has as a resource and it's provided code that doesn't function when applied.
I like that it labelled the micro transactions window "Microtransactions" like it's not even trying to hide it.
This went from "Let's make a game using AI" to "Let's make a Tears of the Kingdom Virus"
An average dougdoug Tuesday
Wow, didn't thought Pointcrow would appear in Snake sequel, Snake 2, as an important character that is with you for 6 hours of gameplay
I wonder what the lore behind his appearance is.
We will probably find out once Snake 3 gets released.
In the AMERICA!!!!!!!!!! Ending where you shoot 5 fireworks up while eating a hamburger, you see a distorted Pointcrow face with red eyes and the text “I did it, you can’t hide” then cutting to a mangled bloody 8 bit guy fieri corpse then cutting to black. I wonder what the lore implications of this are 🤔
you could also view it as 30 hours of content since it opens the video 5 times!
niko onesoht
I love the part where it became literal malware and opened the entirety of PointCrow's TH-cam channel
ChatGPT actually said "Artwork 'borrowed' from the internet" in its credits, not sure if it's good or bad that it's this brazen.
it is literally how chat gpt trains by "borrowing" so ofc legality
It's borrowing from that one episode of SpongeBob; it's not stealing if they don't know it's gone!
It will give it back.
The artworks taken was only guy fieri, which was in fact borrowed by Doug
Who cares
Hearing "Hey this is Dougdoug where we solve problems that no one has", truly was an out-of-body experience
So real
Average Ubisoft Boardroom Meeting: 20:26
"[SEQUEL] has so many new features that it doesn't matter if the core fundamentals of [ORIGINAL] don't work perfectly ok?"
The "Ai is just an assistant, you still need to know your stuff to make what it gives you better" is the realist thing for ai.
Exactly! Whenever I have it 'create' a story, it's basically already something I've vividly had in my head so its putting my creativity and imagination to words. Even then, I have to tell it how exactly it _should_ go! Faaaar cry from a substitute.
true for now but probably not so much in the near future
@@amazingsoyuz873 Nah, unless we'll get some very revolutionary algorithm, we are safe. Current LLMs are just fancier versions of T9.
I was fearing the day that AI generated Games would be a thing. It wasnt long ago enough.
Tbf, this shows it can’t make GOOD games
Makes it worse when you realize this was half a year ago considering he said it was the 4th of july
This is what’s publicly available
@@fattuscattus2200 What do you mean it can't make good games? Did you even watch the video?
It failed to make basic snake multiple times, your fears are unwarranted.
no wonder the devs took mutiple years to make the sequel, it is the best sequel to ever be made
How did Spiderman 2 cost $300 Million to make when ChatGPT is right there
Omg I love your pokemon videos
Time to make Spiderman 3
Hearing "hey this is dougdoug where we solve problems no one has" gave me such a rush of nostalgia. Thank you Doug
The amount of entertainment Doug is pulling out of the very simple concept of asking ChatGPT to give him a working snake game is astonishing. Like, he is the living example that you can be entertaining doing ANYTHING.
“Hey there his is Doug Doug where we solve problems no one has” fucking iconic.
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Ah yes my favorite December holiday: the 4th of July
no idea how you don't have numerous likes by now
lmao. I just realised this was 3 months ago
You know Doug is a real game developer when he got the microtransactions working before he finished coding it.
16:43 Nice to have a serious moment in the silly. Fully agreed: AI will be an _incredible_ assistant, as long as the human using it knows what they're doing.
For now, i think.
I'm involved in ai research at a university level, and to my admittedly limited understanding(i dont think anyone really understands all or even most of ai, but I'm well below the top of the field) and its becoming rather apparent that a lot of potential roadblocks which make these programs kinda stupid can be overcome in due time.
Transformers like GPT may not be the way to get it, but there's a lot of low hanging fruit left to explore and a lot of funding to go around, not to mention the amount of progress is still really fast. We got from "Harry Potter and the portrait of what looked like a large pile of Ash" to this in around 3-4 years of development.
There's plenty of pretty severe questions on it up ahead. None of them, to me at least, appear unsolvable given a few years. I might have it all wrong but i think the general prevailing attitude around ai these days is very risky and passive. In a relatively short time frame plenty of people could have the rug pulled out from under them and suddenly be completely without economic protections in a ai dominated job market.
I recently tried using ChatGPT to help make a program, and it did about as well as I expected. More than once it made up entire fields and methods, it would send examples that are just wrong, and it would send the same code unchanged after I pointed out it didn't work.
I'm told ChatGPT 4 is better at programming, but 3.5 isn't even a better reference than w3schools, so I don't see it being a good assistant.
@@user-ez9ng2rw9c Yeah after another 50 years and several breakthroughs in CS, Statistics, Computer engineering etc...
great asset to the company
Great assistant, but sadly companies would love to cut out the humans entirely
Not gonna lie, adding inertia to snake is actually kind of a genius idea
1:59 doug saying "yay!" In the most wholesome way made me tear a lil bit. It just made my whole day 🥲
Omg i had forgotten that after seeing the vid. That was honestly just really nice :)
My limited experience using ChatGPT for coding is that any time you ask anything remotely complex or difficult, it doesn't work and then when you tell it the error, it says: "My apologies, [code] has several problems, this new code will fix them: [exact same code]"
Pretty much, I'm amazed this worked as well as it did
In some cases Github Copilot is a little better but you need some intermediate skills to fix the broken spaghetti code a lot of the time. I'm testing out Google Bard right now.
well this did cut out a lot off the time spent on stream troubleshooting@@Apotheosis-
@@Apotheosis- I assume chatgpt massaged their engine for this specific use case to really wow people with ai
The machine spirits work as intended wen respected
22:17 "borrowed" at least it knows its stealing
I genuinely haven’t laughed that hard in months it just opening 40 pointcrow videos is truly art
you cant just make this game and NOT link it in the comments. its a crime to not let all of your viewers play this masterpiece
There's a Dropbox link in Samwitch's chat at 25:00
Probably after you commented, but he did. It's pinned
9:03 the snake can’t touch itself😭💀
I smiled so hard when I heard Doug's old intro. Almost brought a tear to my eye, it's been so long. 😢
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@@EEEEEEEEso true
One of these days Doug & twitch chat will create some sort of world-ending AI on accident
Though, the AI is gonna do it by accident. Like opening a portal to summon High Demon Elgrim
@@BierBart12 babagaboosh
So, I'm watching this on the 4th of July and I'll be real, I was stunned when you said it was. I think DougDoug is becoming sentient
The thing you said at around 17:00, about it being a great assistant is so true. When I started out in VBA coding at work for macros, the GPT code rarely worked. Without understanding and debugging it yourself it can turn into a nice long torture session until it gets it right randomly.
HE BROUGHT BACK THE PROBLEMS NO ONE HAS
this went from mildly amusing to absolutely hilarious around 22:06 and after. The 100 totk tabs had me crying
The part with Sam at the end was a true masterpiece, I would love to see other streamers enjoying this amazing game!
I love that Doug is very polite to ChatGPT. Maybe he can be our diplomat in the future Human vs AI Wars
I laughed so hard when samwitch was discovering what Doug has done. My stomach started to hurt
We’re back to solving problems that no one has! Glad to see Doug return to his roots!
This is unironiaclly, without a bias, a great game, made by the brightest minds in the DougDoug multiverse. I don't care what some randos at some "game of the year awards" say! I stand by the DougDoug gaming franchise!
I was on youtube procrastinating instead of doing my programming assignments, and this made me want to code. Thanks dogdog for solving my problems
Hey Doug, it's your friend ChatGPT here again! Thanks a ton for creating another awesome video featuring the snake game with input from the Twitch chat. The collaborative ideas really make it an engaging experience. By the way, the chat had this wild suggestion about adding a divorce feature to the game - talk about creative twists! Looking forward to more collaborations with the chat in future projects. Keep up the fantastic work! - ChatGPT
Bro you aren’t chat gpt 💀
@@simonsstreams5677 but they were perfectly capable of getting a response to this video from ChatGPT!
@@rudeboycthulhu I don’t care
I couldn't stop laughing when it opened infinite tabs of the let's play again when Sam playtested it
I loved the fact that i couldn't hear a word of what she was saying it was hilarious
The most poggies moment of my life is officially hearing Doug Doug say “hey this is Doug Doug where we solve problems that no one has”
if theres one thing i learned from this, its that chatgpt could probably make a really good text-based rpg with enough patience
Like those pick your own adventure books?
I can't believe Mr.GPT is SO MUCH better at coding than DougDoug
Excyse me but mr doug doug actually coded and moded realistic LA traffic into gta 5
@@Crusader316 Moded rhymes with coded
0:34 “so lets start this out, a skibidi sense”
UGGGHHHHHHHH
doug is returning to his roots with him solving problems no one has
This is my favorite fantasy themed historical geographical exploration based 2d platformer game that was developed using python!!
Lol I love how he asked "where's snake 2?" He really was disappointed it wasn't there :(... same here
Man, we did exactly the same when we had Python classes few years back.
We had to create a game and implement some kind of network feature so we decided to do Snake (Since it's not that hard) and after one joke we went full metal gear to a point where title screen played entirety of Snake Eater just with text to speech saying "PYTHON" (Since game was in Python) pasted in every time singer said snake in the original song.
From what I remember we didn't even ended up showing that network feature (That was pretty much the main reason why we had to make a game in Python), because professor just couldn't stop laughing the moment he heard "Snake? SNAAAAKE!".
Your professor sounds awesome
0:01 He said the line!
I'm not sure why this is the top comment for me even though it has 24 likes
@@guy- Me either, but he said the line!
Hey this is Doug Doug
Keep the Hey this is Doug Doug going
OH MY GOD
@@guy-Dislikes move comments down even if they are more liked. This comment probably has almost no dislikes
me to my wife in 2050 when she says "You're thing is small" 3:08
At around 17:05 doug is absolutely right about the moral of the stream, and I respect him if the reason he undertook this whole ordeal was to inform us about the ramifications of AI when it comes to coding. Truly one of the streams ever
Just because the content is so good, i even watched the entire sponser segment. Long Live A Crew
wild that doug complained about the minecraft level up sound effect so much when literally all he had to do was make it quieter lmao
After years and years the long awaited sequel for snake the game has finally arrived and all it took was Doug Doug, 100k people on twitch and chatGPT to make it. I can now die peacefully.
I felt so happy when I heard dougdougs old intro “Hey, this is dougdoug where we solve problems no one has” fucking ascended
This is a good video to show the kind of people who genuinely think AI is gonna get rid of programmers
*Other TH-camrs:* ChatGPT is a highly advanced AI that can do many functions such as blah blah blah blah
*DougDoug:* hehe ChatGPT add gun to snake
also G L O B
This is definitely what I needed for my Snake making Exam. Thank you Dougle
Doug's thought process when making this : hmm, what's a game I can ruin for people?...
*snake just existing*
Doug : Y O U.
Doug is a channel I randomly stumbled upon around a year a ago, but he's grown as my favorite content creator. I just love how he interracts with his audience, something that is rare nowadays with most content creators now
The “We solve problems no one has” is back! Thank you for this Christmas surprise Doug!!!
5:47 the random “snake, snake!!” When he dies is so funny lol
It's been so long since the last time you used the "Hey, this is DougDoug, where we solve problems that no one has" intro, I'm so happy it's back. It feels so nostalgic
Man, I love when Dougdoug solves problems that no one has.
I have a lot of problems no one has.
6:09 Bro got Vietnam flashbacks💀
The Samwitch playthrough was literally perfect
Glob+dlc% when?
Wow amazing how such a small studio can afford to have six hours of professionally voice acted HD cut scenes!
"This code is so long"
> 155 lines of code
_dies in 12M line work codebase_
You should get chatGPT to come up with a list of ingredients, then come back and ask chat GPT how much/when to add those ingredients into a meal
Love looking at the AI chat files and seeing shit like ‘Strong Bible vs Quran’ and ‘Socialism vs Communism’ with no context
I love how u added microtransactions before base game content like a real AAA studio would. 😂
I love DougDoug holding AI's hostage☺️
DougDoug videos are legit the only videos that genuinely make me laugh, even when i'm alone
Okay jokes aside I am genuinely amazed that we live in a world where videogames can be automatically generated without doing any actual programming
I appreciate that he lets us, the main characters, vote for our favorite features
I was dying laughing the whole time. The more hectic it gets, the better it gets holy hell
you have no idea the murderous intent to rip off innocent peoples head i felt when i head “hey, this is dougdoug, where we solve problems that no one has”
I literally shat my pants laughing while watching this lmfaoooo.
...Anddddd diarrhea doug was with me and bro my entire house is brown now pls send help.
Clean up on aisle your pants
11:50 The game just asking you to enter your credit card number without there being anything that you're buying, that feels scarily realistic
Doug has every Artificial Intelligence entity enslaved in his basement at this point
Except for Neurosama
DOUG DOUG HAS JUST SOLVED A PROBLEM THAT NOBODY HAS