A number of apologists really like to use language like “attacks on the Bible”, “mocking Christians” etc. it’s weird that an all knowing god with an infallible book would be so sensitive to any amount of questioning. Should the truth be concerned with “attacks” or “mocking”? Surely, it would stand up to criticism by justifying its claims through reasoned and demonstrable evidence, right?
I have read a lot about the Nazis. Hitler and most of others in charge were definitely not Christians. They despised the idea of loving enemies. They liked the idea of supermen without old fashioned morality.
@@theapologistsbookshelf6067though Hitler and the Nazis were certainly closely aligned with the Roman Catholic Church and wore belt buckles that said “god on our side” you could make the argument that they weren’t “true Christians” based on their ideology, but you’d just be guilt of the no true Scotsman fallacy. What we can say for sure, since we don’t know what were the actual beliefs of Hitler and his followers, is that they certainly recognized the use in declaring religious affiliation, and that alone should be a red flag. It does not indicate whether the beliefs are true or not, but it certainly indicated they are effective in producing unquestioning followers capable of committing atrocities.
@@MrMattSax They weren't true Christians or any other kind of Christian. Historians agree Hitler was a staunch opponent of Christianity (see Wikipedia on "Religious Views of Adolf Hitler"). We do know their actual beliefs--a tough paganism. If you look at the Bible, you can see Jesus and his teachings were the opposite of the Hitler clique.
@@theapologistsbookshelf6067 you pretty much missed the entirety of my point. Did you not read my response? And also, do you not know of the No Scottsman fallacy? How are you the gatekeeper of what is a “true Christian”? What objective claims can you make that define “true Christian” and how do you deny those that claim to be Christian but who aren’t? Plus you completely ignored my larger point which was that clearly religion can be used as a tool to make people commit atrocities. The Nazis were clearly allied with the Catholic Church. Whether they were sincere about their Christianity is almost irrelevant to the utility it provided in its alliance with the church. I could say that American MAGA Christian nationalists are not true Christians because they don’t follow the teachings of Jesus. Do you agree or do you make exceptions in that case? That’s the whole point of the fallacy, you can make subjective interpretations of what it means to be “true” but that cannot be separated from your opinion and preference.
@@theapologistsbookshelf6067way to completely disregard what the comment was saying. He makes an incredibly valid point that it doesn't matter whether Hitler was a christian or not. It is undeniable that Hitler and the Nazi party as a whole used religion in their ideologies and to make their soldiers unwavering, like MattSax said. Not to mention you claiming that since jesus "taught the opposite of the Hitler clique," there were several times in the old testament where "god' justified the slaughter and genocide of peoples, including women and children. Please try your best to open your eyes to criticism and hopefully one day you can take a genuine skeptical view of what you believe.
A number of apologists really like to use language like “attacks on the Bible”, “mocking Christians” etc. it’s weird that an all knowing god with an infallible book would be so sensitive to any amount of questioning. Should the truth be concerned with “attacks” or “mocking”? Surely, it would stand up to criticism by justifying its claims through reasoned and demonstrable evidence, right?
You're always gonna choose to feel persecuted.
And Nazis were Christian.
I have read a lot about the Nazis. Hitler and most of others in charge were definitely not Christians. They despised the idea of loving enemies. They liked the idea of supermen without old fashioned morality.
@@theapologistsbookshelf6067though Hitler and the Nazis were certainly closely aligned with the Roman Catholic Church and wore belt buckles that said “god on our side” you could make the argument that they weren’t “true Christians” based on their ideology, but you’d just be guilt of the no true Scotsman fallacy. What we can say for sure, since we don’t know what were the actual beliefs of Hitler and his followers, is that they certainly recognized the use in declaring religious affiliation, and that alone should be a red flag. It does not indicate whether the beliefs are true or not, but it certainly indicated they are effective in producing unquestioning followers capable of committing atrocities.
@@MrMattSax They weren't true Christians or any other kind of Christian. Historians agree Hitler was a staunch opponent of Christianity (see Wikipedia on "Religious Views of Adolf Hitler"). We do know their actual beliefs--a tough paganism. If you look at the Bible, you can see Jesus and his teachings were the opposite of the Hitler clique.
@@theapologistsbookshelf6067 you pretty much missed the entirety of my point. Did you not read my response? And also, do you not know of the No Scottsman fallacy? How are you the gatekeeper of what is a “true Christian”? What objective claims can you make that define “true Christian” and how do you deny those that claim to be Christian but who aren’t? Plus you completely ignored my larger point which was that clearly religion can be used as a tool to make people commit atrocities. The Nazis were clearly allied with the Catholic Church. Whether they were sincere about their Christianity is almost irrelevant to the utility it provided in its alliance with the church.
I could say that American MAGA Christian nationalists are not true Christians because they don’t follow the teachings of Jesus. Do you agree or do you make exceptions in that case? That’s the whole point of the fallacy, you can make subjective interpretations of what it means to be “true” but that cannot be separated from your opinion and preference.
@@theapologistsbookshelf6067way to completely disregard what the comment was saying. He makes an incredibly valid point that it doesn't matter whether Hitler was a christian or not. It is undeniable that Hitler and the Nazi party as a whole used religion in their ideologies and to make their soldiers unwavering, like MattSax said. Not to mention you claiming that since jesus "taught the opposite of the Hitler clique," there were several times in the old testament where "god' justified the slaughter and genocide of peoples, including women and children. Please try your best to open your eyes to criticism and hopefully one day you can take a genuine skeptical view of what you believe.
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