thank you and awesome stuff! feel free to reach out to me, if you have any questions about Rust (i btw. also have videos about Rust, so feel free to check them out ;)). also, if you've got ideas or want to see some detailed explanation of something Rust-related, feel free to post that as well :)
@@FloWoelki Appreciate the reply! I'll be sure to check out your other videos! As for possible ideas, how about a webhook server for Stripe in Rust? Or deploying Rust web servers (so like how the pipeline and workflows would work for that).
The thing with React Native is that it uses native elements on each respective platform. Sometimes, it's good (native buttons, loading indicators, modals), sometimes not so good (having to dig into native code to fix inconsistencies). Tauri doesn't offer that. Just a plain wrapper for a webview with your frontend and system bindings in Rust. It's only good if you throw nativity out of the window and want to control the ui 100%
good point! obviously, Tauri has some native features as well through the Rust bindings, and you can also develop your own if you want to. but, let's see where the future goes. ultimately, the choice depends on your project's needs and priorities.
I've been using tauri for the last half year. I don't care about it being cross-platform (I target windows only) but I've chosen tauri ONLY because of the simplicity and the insane performance. I did work with electron and it was pain in the ass. Tauri is just perfect. The community upgrades this project everyday. The creators got pretty high investments from a huge companies (aws, cloudflare or Digital Ocean) and it is growing really fast. I can't wait to finish the v2 version because I saw that they have insane plans for v3. Can not wait for that!
beginners are always welcome! I've honestly never tried Dioxus before, but I've seen it before. the desktop version is built on Tauri yes. but, I don't think that a lot of JS devs will switch to Rust entirely because it seems too scary :D but it's just great that Rust has all of these cool projects out there trying to make the future more performant ^^
@@anonymousalexander6005 that's pretty cool! yeah WebView and Solid is also great. but, javascript and electron at their current state feel too bloated. I just feel bad when I need to add another node module to my project :D
Yes, Dioxus builds on Tauri. You can also use Leptos with Tauri (which I prefer personally), or Yew. Pretty much every frontend framework that outputs browser code: HTML, CSS, JS, ...
The place Tauri gets too complex to understand for me is with the security certificates that are required to actually distribute your app on Mac, windows etc. looking forward to the episode you discuss these in
well there is an example of having a multi-web view within a single native window: github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/tree/dev/examples/multiwebview this was the related issue to that example: github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/issues/2975
Tauri uses GTK in Linux, Edge WebView in Windows, and idk what's it called in Mac OS, but yea i wouldn't really want to use Edge WebView or anything Microsoft in my app, also GTK is not really up to date compared to Electron that uses Chromium. I personally tried all 3 Tauri, Electron, NW.js and i really liked easy of use of NW.js, i didn't also need to write protocol for file management which, cause it's offline anyway. I think what would be best if Tauri used Firefox's engine that's written in Rust partly. That would be best choice to do
i guess Tauri Will compete with React Native than Electron and the use of js in mobile dev is because of the update delay cause of layer of check for apps while with js you can directly update your app for user without waiting for store check unless its native code/binary update(like expo for react native)
we'll see, I think GitButler uses Tauri and probably I'll also make a video about building something with Tauri, because it's just magic. especially when you want to use system-specific functionality. that makes sense, yes!
kind of agree. but if you want to have some specific native features, you have to develop for these platforms. but having just one codebase for "everything" is so nice, especially for smaller teams.
I like that simple apps can still be augmented via this mechanism. Though I've had some good experiences with just PWA's as well, and I personally prefer those for simple, small apps
Yeah! Let's take ten times as long to develop an equivalent program that is harder to debug. Rust is such a good idea, and definitely not an elietest fad.
This video title should be: goodbye web spyware that come with Electron apps, hello NSA cyber weapons + web spyware that you install on your system. Rust community in 2024 not just toxic, but also idle in brain department. You can use Ada safe code principles with any language, you don't need Rust. You can have memory safety even with pure Javascript,, that you will have in your project anyway with Tauri, you don't need Rust for that. Also you can have same thing that Tauri promise with Ultralight, it had for a long time with stable LTS version with a lot wider range of languages and implementations.
@@mwlulud2995 you don't know how to read? And yes electron is better, because it's easy. You also have Ultralight if you want more safety and modern features.
Cool! Nicely delivered! Once I make my way through the Rust book, I'll be giving this a try!
thank you and awesome stuff! feel free to reach out to me, if you have any questions about Rust (i btw. also have videos about Rust, so feel free to check them out ;)). also, if you've got ideas or want to see some detailed explanation of something Rust-related, feel free to post that as well :)
@@FloWoelki Appreciate the reply! I'll be sure to check out your other videos! As for possible ideas, how about a webhook server for Stripe in Rust? Or deploying Rust web servers (so like how the pipeline and workflows would work for that).
@@filipniklas that's awesome. lovely ideas, thank you! I've written them down :)
The thing with React Native is that it uses native elements on each respective platform. Sometimes, it's good (native buttons, loading indicators, modals), sometimes not so good (having to dig into native code to fix inconsistencies). Tauri doesn't offer that. Just a plain wrapper for a webview with your frontend and system bindings in Rust. It's only good if you throw nativity out of the window and want to control the ui 100%
good point! obviously, Tauri has some native features as well through the Rust bindings, and you can also develop your own if you want to. but, let's see where the future goes. ultimately, the choice depends on your project's needs and priorities.
I've been using tauri for the last half year. I don't care about it being cross-platform (I target windows only) but I've chosen tauri ONLY because of the simplicity and the insane performance. I did work with electron and it was pain in the ass. Tauri is just perfect. The community upgrades this project everyday. The creators got pretty high investments from a huge companies (aws, cloudflare or Digital Ocean) and it is growing really fast. I can't wait to finish the v2 version because I saw that they have insane plans for v3. Can not wait for that!
That pretty much brings it to the point as well. Let's see what the future holds 🙌
"insane performance". Stop the 🧢 buddy!
It uses JavaScript and a webview. It may be faster than Electrash but still, not "insane performance"...
Just wait until servo is full version and has full support from Tauri. It's gonna be bonkers.
Thanks a bunch for this video, really well put together. I'll definitely have a look at this
thank you for the lovely feedback! awesome stuff :)
I am curious what your thoughts are with Dioxus? I think Dioxus uses Tauri as the desktop renderer or something but not sure. Rust noob here
beginners are always welcome! I've honestly never tried Dioxus before, but I've seen it before. the desktop version is built on Tauri yes. but, I don't think that a lot of JS devs will switch to Rust entirely because it seems too scary :D but it's just great that Rust has all of these cool projects out there trying to make the future more performant ^^
@@anonymousalexander6005 that's pretty cool! yeah WebView and Solid is also great. but, javascript and electron at their current state feel too bloated. I just feel bad when I need to add another node module to my project :D
Yes, Dioxus builds on Tauri. You can also use Leptos with Tauri (which I prefer personally), or Yew. Pretty much every frontend framework that outputs browser code: HTML, CSS, JS, ...
The place Tauri gets too complex to understand for me is with the security certificates that are required to actually distribute your app on Mac, windows etc. looking forward to the episode you discuss these in
i agree with that. but everyone has to go through it. no matter if you develop specifically for iOS/OSX or windows.
My issue with Tauri is the lack of support for multiple web views within a single native window.
well there is an example of having a multi-web view within a single native window: github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/tree/dev/examples/multiwebview
this was the related issue to that example: github.com/tauri-apps/tauri/issues/2975
Tauri still use HTML, JS, and CSS it's just executable file, RAM and others things are smaller and Rust backend makes it have more lower-level access.
it's so beautiful, isn't it? 🤗
@@FloWoelki No its siill crapware.. not the real app as of course electron.. 100mb for 'hello world'.. heh..
Can the Scintilla open source library for editing be reprogrammed with Rust-lang?
Tauri uses GTK in Linux, Edge WebView in Windows, and idk what's it called in Mac OS, but yea i wouldn't really want to use Edge WebView or anything Microsoft in my app, also GTK is not really up to date compared to Electron that uses Chromium. I personally tried all 3 Tauri, Electron, NW.js and i really liked easy of use of NW.js, i didn't also need to write protocol for file management which, cause it's offline anyway. I think what would be best if Tauri used Firefox's engine that's written in Rust partly. That would be best choice to do
8:18 is this a terminal file manager??
Nope, not really. I am using nvim with a plugin to see this.
i guess Tauri Will compete with React Native than Electron and the use of js in mobile dev is because of the update delay cause of layer of check for apps while with js you can directly update your app for user without waiting for store check unless its native code/binary update(like expo for react native)
we'll see, I think GitButler uses Tauri and probably I'll also make a video about building something with Tauri, because it's just magic. especially when you want to use system-specific functionality.
that makes sense, yes!
@@FloWoelki Maybe a code editor or something similar
@@ulrich-tonmoy jap that would be a good use case. Or even something similar to Obsidian or Notion.
@@FloWoelki yep code editor or markdown/rich text editor
Tauri competes with Ionic, not RN/Expo. It's because Ionic also uses web view, and RN uses native elements
my issue with tauri, is that tauri it's self is written in rust, but the UI is still JavaScript.
you can still feel free to use Rust for the UI. there is no limitation at all 🙌
No, you can use Rust frameworks like Leptos, Yew or Dioxus as well.
Javascript is inevitable brother
unfortunately yes :D at least for now
let's be honest developing Android & IOS apps for large scale production apps is going to be a hassle
kind of agree. but if you want to have some specific native features, you have to develop for these platforms. but having just one codebase for "everything" is so nice, especially for smaller teams.
I like that simple apps can still be augmented via this mechanism. Though I've had some good experiences with just PWA's as well, and I personally prefer those for simple, small apps
New technologies suck. I like old technologies.
let's go! 😄 i also have a Nokia 3109 lol
my dad is 68, he is still using 20 yo Nokia phone. You guys should meet!
You mean knapping a knife from Flintstone?
that's the spirit haha
We Retro Squad 😎
Tauri also use javascript
Yes partially. They do not have a Node.js Runtime like Electron, but they do have a JavaScript API to make switching easier to Tauri.
Well tauri doesn't support custom protocols registration 😅, and they can't implement it
maybe there will be an option in the future? :D
Yeah! Let's take ten times as long to develop an equivalent program that is harder to debug. Rust is such a good idea, and definitely not an elietest fad.
hopefully, everyone will notice that :) at least it will hopefully become really popular when the beta is fully released.
Just use imgui or raylib already...
these are valid alternatives, yes :)
This video title should be: goodbye web spyware that come with Electron apps, hello NSA cyber weapons + web spyware that you install on your system. Rust community in 2024 not just toxic, but also idle in brain department. You can use Ada safe code principles with any language, you don't need Rust. You can have memory safety even with pure Javascript,, that you will have in your project anyway with Tauri, you don't need Rust for that. Also you can have same thing that Tauri promise with Ultralight, it had for a long time with stable LTS version with a lot wider range of languages and implementations.
So you say use Electron ?
@@mwlulud2995 you don't know how to read? And yes electron is better, because it's easy. You also have Ultralight if you want more safety and modern features.