Podcast - A Old World Battle Report Breakdown Dark Elves vs Beastmen Brayherds | Ep.07 th-cam.com/video/_kC1-AyePqw/w-d-xo.html , misstakes are discussed. Thanks for all your comments!
Nice battle with cool looking armies. Just pointing out some mistakes: - you can swap only one spell per wizard for a signature spell (you can use signature from your army magic list or lore of magic ) - Cold-Blooded Banner is single use - Repeater Crossbow only have Armore Bain(1), so -1 AP only on role of 6 to wound - you dont have to roll Gaze of the Gods - Petrifying gaze is S2 but you compare it to opponent initiative not toughtness, with no armor save and multiple wounds D3 - Always strike last reduce your initiative in combat to a 1, then you apply all the other modifiers (like bonus from charging. It was a flank charge so you should have +4 bonus to initiative) - BSB let you re-roll panic, rally and break test not terror test (so beastmen unit should flee, cus you make this test befor charge reactions are declare)
oh a bunch of good misses and also some new one no other saw. will send it to our internal chat so we have a good chans stopping this errors. thank you for your help!
@@geeksworkshop Arcane Familiar only gives your more options to choose, same as the racial Lores. You can only still choose to switch maximum of one spell only.
There’s a subtle change from 8th edition that I noticed you misplay at about 1:13:00. When you break from combat and flee, you no longer catch the unit in place if you beat the roll. Instead, you actually move the fleeing unit then make a pursuit roll. This can have a few ramifications. E.g. it’s sometimes possible to roll lower and still catch the unit, or roll higher and not catch it, depending on what’s nearby. You might flee through a friendly unit and then the pursuit roll won’t catch the fleeing unit but instead charge the other unit.
I agree.. how this works often makes a big differens, you can some times pop out from another unit and hide.. we have game lined up and I do think we start playing this correctly in that report but Im a little unsure.. I hope we fixed this. /André
I'm fairly certain the Dreadlord on Black Dragon should only have a 4+ armor save. Page 204: Characters & Ridden Monters; Split Profile (Ridden Monster); "When this model makes an Armor Save roll, use either the mount or the character's armor value, whichever is highest".
Thanks for the report. 1:12:15 - The chariot must do its flee move first, not immediately be caught up. It would have fled over the spearmen, and taken tests for damage, and landed behind it where the dragon couldn't catch it. However, the dragon then does the pursuit move. It would have run into the new combat (chariot+spears) and could have fought again. You must do the flee move, and only then the pursuit move. This will have a big influence on the positioning.
yes this is missplay and ofc its becouse of 8th ed. next repport I belive we starting to get this but it will be something we have to look out four.. thanks! /André
Thanks Mikkel. Lots of hours have gone into each of these armies. They're kind of our 'main' ones, since both of them were amongst the first ones we got started with. Thanks for the kind words. 😃 We made some mistakes in the game, but it was really fun playing still.
Blood Armour is also really good in combination with Pendant Of Khaeleth. Hit an average infantry unit with Noxious breath and you're likely at 2+ armor save. Combine with shield and Sea Dragon Cloak and you got 1+. Buy a Biting Blade and a great weapon ('Strike First' counters 'Strike Last') and now you can blend thrash mobs, elite and monsters. On another note The Brayherd can take minotaurs with ambush. Put a chieftain in charge as general and the Brayhorn will make it very likely the minotaurs will ambush early and cause havoc in the back line. Good content, keep up the good work.
The sea dragon cloak can only increase armor to 2+ against non magical shooting. But maybe worth taking anyway for 4pts in case you get hit before you start racking up wounds.
Like the list building tactics! but on thing. page 338 biting blade and great weapons cant be used at the same time.. otherwise will take the items combos to our podcast pannel in next podcast, ep 7. /André
No you can't, but you can switch between them depending on your needs. Biting Blade + shield when you need the armor bonus, great weapon when blending monsters.
@@erikbergfeldt4007 A character that wields a magic weapon cannot set it aside to use a mundane equivalent. For example, a character cannot set aside a magic combat weapon to use a mundane great weapon instead. I interpret this as you can't chose to not use your magic weapon, if you have one.
Good battle. I belive magic is better balanced but still think monsters might ve a bit to good. I would have liked they kept the step up rule. But I dont like the konga line Archer units 😫 One question if I recall right in early game you reformed the archers and shoot. Is it not that you cant shoot at all when reforming? Before thats what made skirmisher good since they could shoot 360 arc. 🎉🎉🎉
I cant realy tell.. sometime magic is very powerfull, other times very weak. Biggest thing is placement on you mage.. if you can send of all you spells witout enemy wizard close.. it often turn pretty nasty. You know what I cant realy find anything saying you cant shoot after a reform.. I can find that it gives you -1 to shoot if you have performed a reform. /André
Great thanks. Could have been earlier editions.regarding reform. Yes you are right regarding mage placement. I need to improve on that. I sent you a army list to hopefully play and comment 😊
1:18:55 vortex is dangerous terraing so you take lower of 2d6 for a charge and substract 1 from you basic move the charge should failed :) Great job on battle reports keep them coming :)
Not sure if I have been misinterpreting the “strikes last” rule in this edition, but my understanding is that your lord with great weapon should be striking at initiative 1 + the bonus for inches charged. Meaning it would strike before other great weapon wielders.
Thats my understanding as well, the "strike last" rule modifies the initiative to 1 before any modifiers. So for example a charge of 5" would increase that initiative to 4.
They seem to have a mix of some really good rules which put together makes them really dangerous. Re-rolling 1's in combat, high AP och very formidable lords and mutations. I'm really glad that they made a real effort to improve their capabilities since last edition.
Great match, what a wild ride that final combat was. Had a question though, do you guys ever discuss or review viewer submitted lists? Trying to get my own Dark Elves ready to go, and struggling to get feedback on the 2,000 point list I am currently building towards.
Cant promis greatness but send it by email and we could try it out in a podcast. Keep in mind even if we get it today it takes a couple of weeks that it will be in a podcast becouse of our productions schedule: send it to: miscasttable@gmail.com , also please write if you want to be mention by name or nick name.
Sad to say but its photoshop. Fyi GIMP + youtube can do wounders to but the trick to let it take time. We dont have a good way to distribute them.. if we get a homepage going we might do some sharing of stuff like this.. /André
Hi! Jonas makes them. We are looking into what we can do but as of right now we cant. Hard to say the lines what we can/cant do with text we dont own… and we dont want to make GW angry.. /André
A lot of models have their AP tied up behind weird rules like Bullgors and Razor Tusks. Gotta remember to read all the rules, it's easy to gloss over stuff in this edition.
This is hard truth… so many rules are hard to remember but importent! Need more games, mabey the brain just beed to get reconfigure away from 8th a little. We still forget wasay to much. /André
Damn. i havent seen a single video with Dark Elves winning any game. And I always wanted to have them as my army. I'm just not as big of a player as my fellow mates. And i kinda think that i will be smudhed every time.
Like watching your videos, but some rules confusion. Gws strike last at initiative 1. Also, you don't need to be in base contact, anyone in the fighting line gets an attack... keep up the good work though!
44:30 your master has always strikes first so should have gone before any of the enemy units 1:09:50 your lord also has always strikes first so should go first. You are using Giant Blade which has no strikes last. If you have a magic weapon you have to use it, cant use a non-magic weapon 1:25:20 only to hit was rolled, still needed to roll to wound 1:39:53 Your lord should have gone first. You have always strikes first and you are using a Giant Blade (which has no strikes last), if you were lucky you could have killed him instead ;)
hey Hargeneth goood time stamps! and I know that the editor (dark elf player) cursed himself during editing becose the errors above. sloppy to miss the wound roll to.. we dream about a perfect game but we do have a little to work with..
@@MiscastTable its all good, loved the battle report and everyone is still learning. Playing Dark elfs myself i just sat watching these points i saw and went "oh no, oh no!" still loved the battle :')
Question anyone know? 🤔 The dark elves cold knight unit differ in equipment and cost in the old world army list vs the online project app and the builder, as I understand it. In the WF rules online project it says cold knights have heavy armor and shield included 0 pts cost. as well as in the builder app online it says only heavy armor with the possibility to upgrade to plate armor for 4 pts. No shield included. While in the army list it says heavy armor and shield where you can upgrade to plate armor for 4 pts. I belive heavy armor and shield equipped for 0 cost with possibility to upgrade to plate armor for 4 pts from the army list is the correct one, but I dont know for sure. Anyone know what is correct here? Any errata on this? 🎉
@@punchyMiddleEarthwell I have seen many High elves old world reports, just search but seems tomb king most common 😮 but hope cast maybe could do a high elves against Dark Elves 😃
You cannot have both the signature spell of the lore, and a race specific spell. It's either or. You forgot the move and shoot penalty. Doomfire warlocks cannot cast a magic missile spell if they marched. Dragons have thunderstomps which have AP-2
@@MiscastTable You're wearing a hoody that reads 'Amsterdam'. While it's a beautiful city, with a rich history. It's become a haven for criminal outlanders and degenerates.
I would say those Dark Shards are in a picket line - a Conga line is following the dude in front of you, like snaking. :) Chaff.. is just muppets that are unaware of picket lines.. And think it sounds cool. Not sure those Warlock thjings are "worse".. Compared to 8th Ed? Everything is toned downa bit.. Don´t comapre to 8th Ed.
I know it wasnt a conga line.. however a picket line was a word I didn't know. we sure can learn some more english to.. we address the wording. .. regarding 8th ed comparisson it will continue a while.. not becouse we like comparing but it just happens when you played 8th for so many years. mabey we will have a big breakdown episode and discuss the differenses so we can get it out of our systems. .. think monstes is toned up tho.. mostly becouse of better saves. /André
@@MiscastTable It´s becasue 40k muppets or whatever learnt this "cool" word chaff that is a poor metaphor for what the unit(s) are used for. There are words for any of these age-old strategies and tactics but gamers and especially GW-gamers, rarely being eductaed nor self-thinking, often are clueless about them.
I would have let 'conga line' pass as these guys are doing such a tremendous job as non-native English speakers. You're probably right to have picked them up though as I think they genuinely do like to be corrected. And the less I have to hear of conga lines the better as it only brings back memories of dodgy New Year's Eve parties at my uncle's house. I have seen 'can-can' line suggested jokingly elsewhere to keep the dance theme going and half hope it catches on as I shall then field the old Bloodbowl Dwarf cheerleader as part of my Quarrellers. Picket line is probably for the best though!
Podcast - A Old World Battle Report Breakdown Dark Elves vs Beastmen Brayherds | Ep.07
th-cam.com/video/_kC1-AyePqw/w-d-xo.html , misstakes are discussed. Thanks for all your comments!
Nice battle with cool looking armies. Just pointing out some mistakes:
- you can swap only one spell per wizard for a signature spell (you can use signature from your army magic list or lore of magic )
- Cold-Blooded Banner is single use
- Repeater Crossbow only have Armore Bain(1), so -1 AP only on role of 6 to wound
- you dont have to roll Gaze of the Gods
- Petrifying gaze is S2 but you compare it to opponent initiative not toughtness, with no armor save and multiple wounds D3
- Always strike last reduce your initiative in combat to a 1, then you apply all the other modifiers (like bonus from charging. It was a flank charge so you should have +4 bonus to initiative)
- BSB let you re-roll panic, rally and break test not terror test (so beastmen unit should flee, cus you make this test befor charge reactions are declare)
oh a bunch of good misses and also some new one no other saw. will send it to our internal chat so we have a good chans stopping this errors. thank you for your help!
Absolutely loving the content! Thanks for the batrep :D Also nice slippers.
Thank You! We love all of our viewers responses! :)
More batreps with beautiful fully painted armies? Yes please, keep them coming!
We're happy to oblige :) Cheers!
The Brayhorn rerolls for ambush are only if your wargor/beastlord is your General
True.
Thanks! I dont like when they put importent rules in cursive. Im alone in just filtering out cursive texts? /André
Very good content as always! Thanks a lot !
Its very fun to make, and even better when viewers can enjoy it with us :)
You are only allowed to replace one spell with a signature spell
Correct. 1 spell only.
*1 spell per Wizard
Unless you take the arcane familiar and choose two different laws :D
@@geeksworkshop Nope still only replaces 1 signature spell.
@@geeksworkshop Arcane Familiar only gives your more options to choose, same as the racial Lores. You can only still choose to switch maximum of one spell only.
There’s a subtle change from 8th edition that I noticed you misplay at about 1:13:00. When you break from combat and flee, you no longer catch the unit in place if you beat the roll. Instead, you actually move the fleeing unit then make a pursuit roll. This can have a few ramifications. E.g. it’s sometimes possible to roll lower and still catch the unit, or roll higher and not catch it, depending on what’s nearby. You might flee through a friendly unit and then the pursuit roll won’t catch the fleeing unit but instead charge the other unit.
I agree.. how this works often makes a big differens, you can some times pop out from another unit and hide.. we have game lined up and I do think we start playing this correctly in that report but Im a little unsure.. I hope we fixed this. /André
Also the cold blooded banner can be used only once in the game
Very true and unfortunately it was overlooked. Thanks for pointing it out though. :)
I'm fairly certain the Dreadlord on Black Dragon should only have a 4+ armor save.
Page 204: Characters & Ridden Monters; Split Profile (Ridden Monster); "When this model makes an Armor Save roll, use either the mount or the character's armor value, whichever is highest".
Agreed. /André
Thanks for the report.
1:12:15 - The chariot must do its flee move first, not immediately be caught up. It would have fled over the spearmen, and taken tests for damage, and landed behind it where the dragon couldn't catch it.
However, the dragon then does the pursuit move. It would have run into the new combat (chariot+spears) and could have fought again.
You must do the flee move, and only then the pursuit move. This will have a big influence on the positioning.
For the Dark Elves: you could have used your breath attack in turn 1 - it's no longer single use like previous editions.
yes this is missplay and ofc its becouse of 8th ed. next repport I belive we starting to get this but it will be something we have to look out four.. thanks! /André
Dark Elves and breath attack.. cant take posion on this but how far did the dragon move.. it cant do it if it marched.. /André
@@MiscastTableAhhh.... Right. I missed that. It didn't look as if it moved that much for me.
Love both of your armies. This is gonna be interesting!
Thanks Mikkel. Lots of hours have gone into each of these armies. They're kind of our 'main' ones, since both of them were amongst the first ones we got started with.
Thanks for the kind words. 😃
We made some mistakes in the game, but it was really fun playing still.
great battle, keep on the good work.
We will, thanks! :D
Blood Armour is also really good in combination with Pendant Of Khaeleth. Hit an average infantry unit with Noxious breath and you're likely at 2+ armor save. Combine with shield and Sea Dragon Cloak and you got 1+.
Buy a Biting Blade and a great weapon ('Strike First' counters 'Strike Last') and now you can blend thrash mobs, elite and monsters.
On another note The Brayherd can take minotaurs with ambush. Put a chieftain in charge as general and the Brayhorn will make it very likely the minotaurs will ambush early and cause havoc in the back line.
Good content, keep up the good work.
The sea dragon cloak can only increase armor to 2+ against non magical shooting. But maybe worth taking anyway for 4pts in case you get hit before you start racking up wounds.
Like the list building tactics! but on thing. page 338 biting blade and great weapons cant be used at the same time.. otherwise will take the items combos to our podcast pannel in next podcast, ep 7. /André
No you can't, but you can switch between them depending on your needs. Biting Blade + shield when you need the armor bonus, great weapon when blending monsters.
@@erikbergfeldt4007 A character that wields a magic weapon cannot set it aside to use a mundane equivalent. For example, a character cannot set aside a magic combat weapon to use a mundane great weapon instead.
I interpret this as you can't chose to not use your magic weapon, if you have one.
@@NLjungbergAhh...I missed that rule. Thank you.
Mons is in a good mood, what happened? Great video as always :)
I'm an emotional player 😀 But don't worry I get a bit salty before the match is over 😅
//Måns
Good battle. I belive magic is better balanced but still think monsters might ve a bit to good. I would have liked they kept the step up rule.
But I dont like the konga line Archer units 😫
One question if I recall right in early game you reformed the archers and shoot. Is it not that you cant shoot at all when reforming?
Before thats what made skirmisher good since they could shoot 360 arc.
🎉🎉🎉
I cant realy tell.. sometime magic is very powerfull, other times very weak. Biggest thing is placement on you mage.. if you can send of all you spells witout enemy wizard close.. it often turn pretty nasty. You know what I cant realy find anything saying you cant shoot after a reform.. I can find that it gives you -1 to shoot if you have performed a reform. /André
Great thanks. Could have been earlier editions.regarding reform.
Yes you are right regarding mage placement. I need to improve on that.
I sent you a army list to hopefully play and comment 😊
1:18:55 vortex is dangerous terraing so you take lower of 2d6 for a charge and substract 1 from you basic move the charge should failed :)
Great job on battle reports keep them coming :)
thats a good catch.. thanks! /André
Not sure if I have been misinterpreting the “strikes last” rule in this edition, but my understanding is that your lord with great weapon should be striking at initiative 1 + the bonus for inches charged. Meaning it would strike before other great weapon wielders.
Thats my understanding as well, the "strike last" rule modifies the initiative to 1 before any modifiers. So for example a charge of 5" would increase that initiative to 4.
Think all of us know this, if we remember it all the time is however another story. Thanks for the reminder!
Will watch this tonight, Beastmen seem strong
They seem to have a mix of some really good rules which put together makes them really dangerous. Re-rolling 1's in combat, high AP och very formidable lords and mutations. I'm really glad that they made a real effort to improve their capabilities since last edition.
Hi, really Like the Video! Keep it up! Why did the ghorgon had 7 attacks ? Isn’t it 5 attacks base? Did I miss a buff?
Hello, the Ghorgon has Blood greed wich gives +2 attacks but he can only pursue 1D6.
bengtarnesvensson got it , blood greed.
Thx for explaining!! Really nice kill with the Dragon!
Great match, what a wild ride that final combat was.
Had a question though, do you guys ever discuss or review viewer submitted lists? Trying to get my own Dark Elves ready to go, and struggling to get feedback on the 2,000 point list I am currently building towards.
Cant promis greatness but send it by email and we could try it out in a podcast. Keep in mind even if we get it today it takes a couple of weeks that it will be in a podcast becouse of our productions schedule: send it to: miscasttable@gmail.com , also please write if you want to be mention by name or nick name.
Good idea 😃👍
Nice battle!may i ask you the program you use to make the magic cards template?they look nice. thxx
Sad to say but its photoshop. Fyi GIMP + youtube can do wounders to but the trick to let it take time. We dont have a good way to distribute them.. if we get a homepage going we might do some sharing of stuff like this.. /André
@@MiscastTablethx appreciate that if u ll manage one day!keep going with ur content great job guys
Hello , very fine spell cards. Do you make it? Can you share they?
Hi! Jonas makes them. We are looking into what we can do but as of right now we cant. Hard to say the lines what we can/cant do with text we dont own… and we dont want to make GW angry.. /André
A lot of models have their AP tied up behind weird rules like Bullgors and Razor Tusks. Gotta remember to read all the rules, it's easy to gloss over stuff in this edition.
This is hard truth… so many rules are hard to remember but importent! Need more games, mabey the brain just beed to get reconfigure away from 8th a little. We still forget wasay to much. /André
Damn. i havent seen a single video with Dark Elves winning any game. And I always wanted to have them as my army. I'm just not as big of a player as my fellow mates. And i kinda think that i will be smudhed every time.
Yeah, they aren't one of the supported factions so they just don't have as much to work with.
We have got the game yet.. Im sure you can make a competative list.
I thought you had to take the better of the two saves from the rider and the dragon? Do they stack together?
No, you pick the best. P.204 think its a missplay.
Great weapon on DE lord strike normally due to Strike first
Good Catch. Thanks!
Good work gents ❤
Thanks!
Vart finns ni? Finns det möjlighet och komma och spela mot er och va med på en battle report?
Storuman. Har du discord? discord.gg/68eJru8e hoppa in där är de lättare att chatta.
Like watching your videos, but some rules confusion. Gws strike last at initiative 1. Also, you don't need to be in base contact, anyone in the fighting line gets an attack... keep up the good work though!
I pretty sure we know this, but it is hard to remember. thank! We will discuss it. :) /André
Hey, I know, I get rules wrong all the time! Hehe
@@MiscastTable actually Andre, I'm wrong again, haha, it has before all modifiers, so if you charge, you may get to strike first with them!
44:30 your master has always strikes first so should have gone before any of the enemy units
1:09:50 your lord also has always strikes first so should go first. You are using Giant Blade which has no strikes last. If you have a magic weapon you have to use it, cant use a non-magic weapon
1:25:20 only to hit was rolled, still needed to roll to wound
1:39:53 Your lord should have gone first. You have always strikes first and you are using a Giant Blade (which has no strikes last), if you were lucky you could have killed him instead ;)
hey Hargeneth goood time stamps! and I know that the editor (dark elf player) cursed himself during editing becose the errors above. sloppy to miss the wound roll to.. we dream about a perfect game but we do have a little to work with..
@@MiscastTable its all good, loved the battle report and everyone is still learning. Playing Dark elfs myself i just sat watching these points i saw and went "oh no, oh no!" still loved the battle :')
Question anyone know?
🤔
The dark elves cold knight unit differ in equipment and cost in the old world army list vs the online project app and the builder, as I understand it.
In the WF rules online project it says cold knights have heavy armor and shield included 0 pts cost. as well as in the builder app online it says only heavy armor with the possibility to upgrade to plate armor for 4 pts. No shield included. While in the army list it says heavy armor and shield where you can upgrade to plate armor for 4 pts.
I belive heavy armor and shield equipped for 0 cost with possibility to upgrade to plate armor for 4 pts from the army list is the correct one, but I dont know for sure.
Anyone know what is correct here?
Any errata on this?
🎉
All builders out there is new in development. We play by the legacy pdf in this case. /André
More High Elves please. Keep up the good work lads.
We have an upcoming tournament next week, where Måns will be playing his HE. Expect a summary in the near future. 😃
@@MiscastTable great 😎
Way to much HE as is 😫
I would like see the armies not so much used like Chaos Dwarfs but my favorite is Dark Elfs 😊
@@jurgen4466 what are you talking about theres more Cwarfs and Delves than Helves content out there champ 🤷🤦
@@punchyMiddleEarthwell I have seen many High elves old world reports, just search but seems tomb king most common 😮 but hope cast maybe could do a high elves against Dark Elves 😃
You cannot have both the signature spell of the lore, and a race specific spell. It's either or.
You forgot the move and shoot penalty.
Doomfire warlocks cannot cast a magic missile spell if they marched.
Dragons have thunderstomps which have AP-2
Lots of misstakes were made, we will talk about it in next podcast. ep. 07. and hopefully not do them again. /André
I thought a lot of Dutch people were unhappy with how Amsterdam has fallen.
enlighten me and please at the channel so I can find your awnser. /André
@@MiscastTable You're wearing a hoody that reads 'Amsterdam'.
While it's a beautiful city, with a rich history. It's become a haven for criminal outlanders and degenerates.
35:40 Your wizard can't target a unit in combat. pg 108 "Choosing a target". And can only cast Assailment spells when the wizard itself is in combat.
yepp we have a missplay here. we will talk about it. /André
You can cast self spell as well in combat and some specifik ones that say it can be used in combat.
you don't do terror tests in combat. Fear does not work unless the model(s) causing fear out number the non fear causers.
Yepp U are correct. Will take it up in next podcast, ep 7.
Preatty sure you can only replace 1 spell
You are correct, its a missplay.
😎😎
:D
You can only replace one spell per wizard
This was a missplay, you are correct!
You need 3 inches to get your lance to take effect on a charge or follow up
Where is that in the rule book?
Thats what she said.... heyoo!
That's just impact hits
Lances is one of (if not the only) "charge bonus" that doesn't need the 3"
@@bengtarnesvensson8807 ahhhh beat me to it!
I would say those Dark Shards are in a picket line - a Conga line is following the dude in front of you, like snaking. :)
Chaff.. is just muppets that are unaware of picket lines.. And think it sounds cool.
Not sure those Warlock thjings are "worse".. Compared to 8th Ed? Everything is toned downa bit.. Don´t comapre to 8th Ed.
I know it wasnt a conga line.. however a picket line was a word I didn't know. we sure can learn some more english to.. we address the wording. .. regarding 8th ed comparisson it will continue a while.. not becouse we like comparing but it just happens when you played 8th for so many years. mabey we will have a big breakdown episode and discuss the differenses so we can get it out of our systems. .. think monstes is toned up tho.. mostly becouse of better saves. /André
@@MiscastTable It´s becasue 40k muppets or whatever learnt this "cool" word chaff that is a poor metaphor for what the unit(s) are used for.
There are words for any of these age-old strategies and tactics but gamers and especially GW-gamers, rarely being eductaed nor self-thinking, often are clueless about them.
I would have let 'conga line' pass as these guys are doing such a tremendous job as non-native English speakers. You're probably right to have picked them up though as I think they genuinely do like to be corrected. And the less I have to hear of conga lines the better as it only brings back memories of dodgy New Year's Eve parties at my uncle's house. I have seen 'can-can' line suggested jokingly elsewhere to keep the dance theme going and half hope it catches on as I shall then field the old Bloodbowl Dwarf cheerleader as part of my Quarrellers. Picket line is probably for the best though!