Smashing Pumpkins, Porcelina Of The Vast Oceans - A Classical Musician’s First Listen and Reaction

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    This song definitely took me on a journey out to sea where we arrived and explored a magical, mythical story world. The music painted a vivid picture of the and created a colorful experience.
    Here’s the link to the original song by Smashing Pumpkins:
    • Porcelina Of The Vast ...
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  • @VirginRock
    @VirginRock  ปีที่แล้ว +16

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    • @lauraminyard881
      @lauraminyard881 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Amy, please start to listen to Elton John and celebrate him as he just performed his final concert (well… for now). Listen to “Sixty Years On” or “The Greatest Discovery” You may love it (even if not for a video, just for yourself) : )

    • @paulolapa3040
      @paulolapa3040 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@lauraminyard881 yes, I get that those songs have an orchestral part, that would be interesting for Amy to listen, but there are songs with much more rich melodies like "Goodbye Yellow Brick Road"

    • @blurvough
      @blurvough ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Amy, responding here as you suggested - I raised a point earlier that this was a great video and all, but kind of a lesser/middle tier track from the band. To reform as a question - what drove the selection of this song, and/or why not start with the real standout tracks from an artist and work your way into the deep cuts and obscurities later? :)

    • @Richard--
      @Richard-- ปีที่แล้ว

      Hi Amy, I'm a fairly new subscriber to your channel, and I really love what you're doing. I was wondering if someday you might do David Bowie's Space Oddity? I'd love to see your reaction.

    • @chuckschlueter4556
      @chuckschlueter4556 ปีที่แล้ว

      Amy,
      Do you have a telegram channel? I think someone may be impersonating you. They are asking for money for prize giveaways.

  • @itsshrike1237
    @itsshrike1237 ปีที่แล้ว +190

    I’ve scrolled the comments far too long without seeing someone mention what a fantastic drummer Jimmy Chamberlain is.

    • @booberry6993
      @booberry6993 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      We're lucky to have Jimmy Chamberlain and Danny Carrey as drummers to teach future generations how to to do it properly.

    • @apparentlynot1stLeonchubbs
      @apparentlynot1stLeonchubbs ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Don't worry, I came here to do just that 💪🍻

    • @archerkee9761
      @archerkee9761 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      it's probably not needed. who knows, know it

    • @prettyugly6089
      @prettyugly6089 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Jimmy has always been amazing. Totally agree. Fantastic drumming. Billy says he's even better now. Dude has always been at the top. Definitely in the genre.

    • @GolfBaller
      @GolfBaller 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The best rock drummers were jazz drummers first.

  • @sewmuch8382
    @sewmuch8382 ปีที่แล้ว +108

    Whoever told you to do "this" pumpkins song really knows their catalog. Trust them for "hopefully" your next pumpkins song

    • @paulyguitary7651
      @paulyguitary7651 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Definitely a deep cut.

    • @paradox1241
      @paradox1241 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Absolutely. A brilliant beautiful song

    • @itstheotherwhitemeat
      @itstheotherwhitemeat ปีที่แล้ว +3

      she should listen to lily. a great song.

    • @user-tk4gr9zo7t
      @user-tk4gr9zo7t 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I back you on this as well!! Such a great and very specific choice.

    • @jobiazgarza9571
      @jobiazgarza9571 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      it is ridiculous to start on this song and also genius. bravo

  • @michaelkerdock4076
    @michaelkerdock4076 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    The Smashing Pumpkins will and should go down as one of the greatest band in music history. Their catalog is vast and diverse not to mention Billy Corgans song writing ability

    • @GolfBaller
      @GolfBaller 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I consider them the "Last Rock Stars". The whole industry really professionalized after 2001.

    • @willvm4059
      @willvm4059 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Would you say as vast as the oceans?

    • @guitaristssuck8979
      @guitaristssuck8979 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      In the top 100 most important rock bands for sure, maybe top 50, and consider there's around 1000 rock bands worth listening to at least once in a lifetime.
      Top 5 best songwriters in rock music for sure.
      Top 20 in all music maybe?

    • @tpjohnson6304
      @tpjohnson6304 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Facts...
      Plus, Melon Collie is an INCREDIBLE album. This being my favorite song off of it.

    • @eboethrasher
      @eboethrasher 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@guitaristssuck8979 oh nowhere near top 5 songwriters in rock music. Certainly not top 20 in all music. That's some ridiculous hyperbole.

  • @danh945
    @danh945 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Mellon Collie is a concept album that tells the story of a rockstar, called Zero, that is themed at least partly on Billy Corgan's life. The first disc of this double album starts with Zero successful and disillusioned. The album can be thought of akin to a 90's disney film or a 70's musical film, with each song setting an important divergence in the story. Mellon Collie, a piano score, is the introduction to the theme of the album. The next song, the hit single Tonight Tonight sets the scene (Chicago, where the band formed), and the next song, the powerful rock anthem Jellybelly, establishes the characters - the band.
    The next song is Zero, the song of the main character. It's important to note that the character is leading a double life with his public rock persona (called Glass) and his inner true self (Zero) reflections of each other. One of the key lines to that song is "I'm your lover, I'm your Zero, I'm the face in your dreams of Glass". This shows how he is in an unhappy relationship, where the person is in love with what he is rather than who (also a reflection of Billy's first marriage). This song is important to listen to because there are many themes and perhaps even motifs about the Zero character that are present in other songs, including Porcelina. You want to know why that intro is the way it is with the heavier power chords? That's Zero.
    The next song, Here Is No Why, is basically the Disney "I want" song - he wants love. Next up some angry songs and then we get into the love section, which is hard to miss given the songs are called things like Love and Cupid (de Locke). This song comes at the tale end of that section where his love is perhaps at its strongest, but also clear that it is not the healthiest of relationships. We then move into the second album that goes angry, wistful, angry, and then a little bit weird.
    It may not be your style overall, but I would recommend giving the double album a full listen and trying to note down the story themes that emerge. It is also, for my money, the single most varied album of the rock genre. You have songs which are genuinely disturbing, leading to ballads, leading to rock anthems, leading to songs that I used to play to get my baby to fall asleep. Add to that Billy moving into orchestral support for the songs and you have a true masterpiece.

    • @werideatdusk
      @werideatdusk 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

      This is mostly historical revisionism on WPC's part. In the 90s there were few efforts to portray this as a literal narrative story album, even after Machina came out (which was a literal narrative story album). Mellon Collie is a fantastic album and a true listening experience, but Corgans intention at the time was clearly to showcase the wide ambitions of the band on a musical level, and any story elements were incidental. Trying to read a literal beginning/middle/ending story into the MCIS track list is grasping at straws.

  • @nstrug
    @nstrug ปีที่แล้ว +32

    The drumming on this is spectacular - I love the cymbal world evoking the surf in particular.

  • @TheMonkeyNeuron
    @TheMonkeyNeuron ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Whoever picked this for her to hear, bravo. I’ve always thought this song “floated” a little bit above the rest of the double album, which I love in its entirety. Such a wonderful breakdown.

  • @michaeljacyna1973
    @michaeljacyna1973 ปีที่แล้ว +38

    I'm a lifelong Smashing Pumpkins fan. I am so impressed by this video and your analysis! Well done!

  • @PorcelinaMagpie
    @PorcelinaMagpie ปีที่แล้ว +33

    I'm a diehard SP fan and this is my favorite song in their sprawling catalog (500+ songs) and favorite song of all time. Thanks for your analysis!

    • @robnotwicz7002
      @robnotwicz7002 ปีที่แล้ว

      It's up there, this is an absolute gem of a track

  • @dondebomm6329
    @dondebomm6329 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    I've never really listened to the Pumpkins much. Of course I've heard some of their more popular songs and thought there decent songs but this inspires me to dig deeper into their catalog.

    • @treflips2158
      @treflips2158 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I'd say a lot of their lesser known songs are great.

    • @darrenbrown8877
      @darrenbrown8877 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      Soma, Mayonaise, Thru the Eyes of Ruby, Oceania would all be a great place to start 😊

    • @COLTRONNN
      @COLTRONNN ปีที่แล้ว +9

      their lesser known songs are 10 fold better than the more popular ones. one of the bands you can deep dive on and always keep finding tunes. its a whole musical world of its own. i hope you dive in and find some songs you like. there are so so many.

    • @angelahull9064
      @angelahull9064 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      And "Drown," "For Martha," " Jesus, I/Mary Star of Sea"

    • @ToneSherpa
      @ToneSherpa ปีที่แล้ว +6

      Basically everything they did until the breakup in 2000 was worth listening to.
      Siamese Dream and Mellon-collie are easily the best in my opinion. Siamese Dream is basically a perfect album. And Mellon-collie is so diverse and beautiful it's hard not to love.

  • @darrenbrown8877
    @darrenbrown8877 ปีที่แล้ว +37

    Songs like Porcelina hit even harder after hearing a full disc of songs like Tonight, Tonight, Here is no Why, To Forgive and Muzzle leading up to it, truely magicial.
    AND then you get to go to the second disc which has just as many highs AND then theres all the amazing bsides like the Last Song, Areoplane Flies High and Set the Ray to Jerry

    • @neilanadams5173
      @neilanadams5173 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Preach brother

    • @auzzieamerican
      @auzzieamerican ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Absolutely

    • @deanroddey2881
      @deanroddey2881 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Absolutely true. And the same for the other side. That's back when albums were the thing, and sequencing an album was something that lots of thought was put into.

    • @ericbasford9318
      @ericbasford9318 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      This one album + b-sides is one of the greatest collections of rock innovation and pop songwriting of all time!

  • @michaelt.b264
    @michaelt.b264 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Amy lookup porceliana crabs. It's a crab that's not really a crab that willingly gives up its limbs to get away from danger. That lives under the rocks on the shore line. Quite the metaphor.

  • @ronparsons8786
    @ronparsons8786 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    One of my favorite Smashing Pumpkins songs !! Such an epic. Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness was a concept album of a fashion.
    Quiet/loud... Shoe gaze ... Alternate rock.. fuzzy guitars ... Smashing Pumpkins were pioneers

    • @eboethrasher
      @eboethrasher 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The pixies did quiet/loud, many other bands did shoegaze, REM was doing alternative rock in the 80s along with a ton of other bands, and people had done fuzzy guitars since the 60s. I love the Pumpkins but don't call them pioneers.

  • @rahzark
    @rahzark ปีที่แล้ว +16

    Fuzz (the guitar effect) immediately takes me to the sea. You can almost hear the waves crashing with these guitars.

  • @buca505
    @buca505 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Shoegaze next?
    It would be interesting to hear your opinion about music from group like Cocteau Twins or My Bloody Valentine, all those bands that never had big commercial success but influenced a lot of bands and genres that came up in 90's and after.
    Great first listen, Pumpkins were influential and important same as grunge bands in the same time, they were just overshadowed by great Nirvana breakthrough, but man they were good back in days.
    Keep on good work Amy!
    Greeting to Vlad, love to kid'o!

  • @StrongStyleFiction
    @StrongStyleFiction ปีที่แล้ว +18

    One of my favorite albums ever and my second favorite song on it after Galapogos.

  • @JasonT-xp3kh
    @JasonT-xp3kh ปีที่แล้ว +20

    I think the intro places the song in the album more than anything. It's a concept album of sorts. I've always associated this song with "Through The Eyes of Ruby", another song on the album. I'm probably wrong but that's my take on it.

    • @energyiilove
      @energyiilove ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Listen to Ruby! The drums are thunderous.

    • @sheert
      @sheert ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I get those two mixed up and I expected this to start playing, partly because Eyes of Ruby might be appealing to a classical musician.

    • @cactustactics
      @cactustactics ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Ruby does have that reprise at the end so I can see them bookending that middle section of the album, similar to how the whole album starts and ends with similar piano motifs

  • @hullbarrett
    @hullbarrett ปีที่แล้ว +18

    Never in a million years would I have guessed that you would do this song. Thank you, Amy.
    P.S. We're still waiting for some Ozzy Osbourne/Randy Rhoads. Preferably *Diary of a Madman* or *Revelation (Mother Earth).*

  • @ricktheexplorer
    @ricktheexplorer ปีที่แล้ว +21

    So many great songs from The Smashing Pumpkins: Hummer, Cherub Rock, Rhinoceros, just to name 3. I saw them in concert last November. Their music is truly beautiful.

  • @rosswhart
    @rosswhart 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    How the hell are they not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame?

  • @neilanadams5173
    @neilanadams5173 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Nuanced music with intelligence and unmatched depth.

  • @sickmaven33
    @sickmaven33 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Mellon Collie & the Infinite Sadness is a concept album where thematic elements carry through songs. Especially the songs this is in between. So the song on its own carries only the lyrical meaning. The music is thematic. 🖤 Great analysis!

  • @lorcazola
    @lorcazola ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Woah.....didn't see this coming...never seen a review yet. Golden Era of the 90's. I windsurfed to this song back then......

  • @akhayat89
    @akhayat89 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    I'm gonna be so stoked when you finally get to Radiohead

    • @rccola5167
      @rccola5167 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I have always been intrigued by Radio Head but 30-40 seconds in I'm always annoyed. Haha

    • @piperio
      @piperio 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Omg yes! Radiohead!

  • @maplechill75
    @maplechill75 ปีที่แล้ว +17

    The loud/soft shifts are just very much part of the Smashing Pumpkins sound

    • @apparentlynot1stLeonchubbs
      @apparentlynot1stLeonchubbs ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If there is a ONE thing you gotta say is a Pumpkins thing, I think that would be it 👌 it's not the solos, it's not the drums, it ain't the lyrics either.. it's this

    • @eboethrasher
      @eboethrasher 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@apparentlynot1stLeonchubbs they took it from the Pixies and Jane's Addiction, among others, so it was a deliberate lift from other people.

  • @henryandrews2825
    @henryandrews2825 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    I really enjoyed your reaction to this! It's a song with a lot of great texture even if ultimately the structure is pretty conventional. I always felt like the quiet setup has the listener drifting out to sea, until a huge wave crashes into us with the loud intro. As the wave washes past, we return somewhat to the mood of the intro, but now fuzzier and choppier, and the waves periodically crash again going into each chorus.
    The loud/soft contrast was a hallmark of 90s "alternative" rock, with the Pixies being a hugely influential band in this regard. Pixies "Tame" is probably their most extreme example of it, but other songs such as Gigantic (sung by bassist Kim Deal instead of regular singer Black Francis a.k.a. Frank Black) demonstrate it to varying degrees. Nirvana's "Smells Like Teen Spirit" (a 90s classic) was described by singer Kurt Cobain as a "Pixies rip-off".
    For a more dreamy Smashing Pumpkins sound, "Disarm", "Mayonaise" or "Tonight, Tonight" (ideally preceded by the instrumental "Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness", as it is on the album) are great. For more of their harsher sound, I'd go with "Zero" or (more poppy but still lots of distortiion) the big hit "Today"

  • @Hanssologuitars
    @Hanssologuitars ปีที่แล้ว +11

    Fantastic analysis. Great catch on the eighth note rhythmic motif at the beginning. To more understand the context of this I would recommend the album as a whole (“Melon Collie and the Infinite Sadness”) as it is truly a concept album meant to be heard together. Also the artwork and videos for the singles give a lot of context to the mood - think Alice in Wonderland, early 20th century childrens books and silent films. As far as the quick juxtapositions I will note that one of the B-sides for another somg was called “Pastichio Medley”, which was a 20 minute medley of 100+ short clips of extremely varied bits of music seemingly cut together randomly. So clearly the concept of “pastiche” was being thought of at this time. In general this band is great at juxtapositions of many paradoxical emotional states, which ends up often as a bittersweet and enlightened melancholy arrived at through a rich and rewarding journey.

  • @paulolapa3040
    @paulolapa3040 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    The Smashing Pumpkins! My favorite band of the 90's.
    Billy Corgan is the lead singer, guitar player and the writer of almost all the songs and lyrics of the band. For me, the best songwriter of the 90's.
    It would be nice to see a review of some of their hit songs, like "Disarm", a cute song with a string section.
    Nice review by the way!

    • @TheMicrodance
      @TheMicrodance ปีที่แล้ว +1

      A cute song?

    • @leob4403
      @leob4403 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@TheMicrodanceexactly, "cute" is one of the dumbest descriptions of Disarm Ive ever seen

    • @TheMicrodance
      @TheMicrodance ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@leob4403 an immensely emotive, passionate and beautiful song about childhood abuse. So cute.

    • @paulolapa3040
      @paulolapa3040 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      C'mon guys! Let's hate the non native english speaker.
      I used the word "cute" just to try to make it more appealing for someone who doesn't know anything about SP.
      Of course, I don't reduce the song to "cute".
      It was the first song I ever heard by SP, back in 1993. And really got me hooked since then.

    • @deathtotruthers1
      @deathtotruthers1 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nothing cute about Disarm. Wonderful song. Horrible subject matter.

  • @danielfox6907
    @danielfox6907 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    What I appreciate most is your opinion. Never pandering to, or appeasing the viewers. You're musical knowledge doesn't allow it. Carry on.

  • @christophedejonge918
    @christophedejonge918 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Jimmy Chamberlain is a fantastic drummer. The continuous hi-hat on his left foot is legendary.

  • @olli__
    @olli__ ปีที่แล้ว +10

    wow! Did not see this coming! One my favourite tracks from Pumpkins! 🎃

  • @rockof.1793
    @rockof.1793 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    You nailed it. They made very raw, heavy music, but often with this soft focus, these dream-like elements. That's really what made them special.

    • @angelahull9064
      @angelahull9064 ปีที่แล้ว

      For this particular song, the power chords and distortion and "without a care in this whole world" section invokes in me the image of going full speed ahead on a sailing ship, powerful winds filling up the sails.

  • @alankeeler8653
    @alankeeler8653 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Billy likes to keep you guessing. Grit and silk. He's all about the juxtaposition of soft and hard and it comes together in a very human way.

    • @alankeeler8653
      @alankeeler8653 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      His father was a jazz musician and you see small hints of that influence in his more personal songs like this

    • @alankeeler8653
      @alankeeler8653 ปีที่แล้ว

      "Seafaring quality " ❤ I love you !! 😂

  • @thomasvermette2424
    @thomasvermette2424 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The whole album would blow her mind for sure! Give it a listen. It’s amazing.

  • @Tribute2JohnnyB
    @Tribute2JohnnyB ปีที่แล้ว +6

    YEEESSSSSSS. 'Porcelina' is my favorite example of the dynamics that The Smashing Pumpkins were able to achieve early on.

  • @jamesmcconnell1015
    @jamesmcconnell1015 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    The opening of this song reminded me of (a suggestion!!!) 3 Days by Jane’s Addiction.. a great song

  • @COLTRONNN
    @COLTRONNN ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Amy you nailed it with your thoughts on the dynamics between the angular rock and the chill ocean vibes. the pumpkins were ALL about dynamics. the push and pull, the loud to quiet. one of my fav things about them

  • @iancrewe8230
    @iancrewe8230 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    So glad you've done this song rather than one of the more obvious hits. This is one of my favourite Pumpikins songs.

  • @kylben
    @kylben ปีที่แล้ว +7

    I think you did answer your question. Corgan has a very expressive voice, and a very distinct style. This is quite an atmospheric song even just in the lyrics, and given the way he intends to express it, the music compliments his voice very well. That intro, etc., prepares you to hear that voice and style. His voice is naturally harsh, and the music had to be both soft and harsh to establish the juxtaposition of his harshness with the atmospherics.
    Or maybe it only seems inevitable because I've know the song so well for almost 30 years.

  • @TheGreatBambi13
    @TheGreatBambi13 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If you’ve never heard of shoegaze, then my bloody valentine’s Loveless will be a trip for sure

  • @rhoward9302
    @rhoward9302 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    A deep cut, but one that displays a lot of hallmarks The Smashing Pumpkins are known for. It's also a song that's meant a lot to me at various points in my life. I'd say this is a song that is best experienced with headphones and at night, either in a darkened room or staring up at the evening sky. I think you kind of have to be in the right mood for it. But SP are a really great band with a lot to love. For an easier entry point, I'd suggest more radio-friendly songs like "Tonight, Tonight" "Today" "Disarm" or "1979".

  • @dennisd7
    @dennisd7 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Love this, please do more Smashing Pumpkins! Also, how about some Mike Oldfield? Perhaps the Crises album?

  • @AbidingDude420
    @AbidingDude420 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Peak 90's alternative rock off an incredible double album.

  • @frailangel2000
    @frailangel2000 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    Hi; I am glad I found this channel. As a dedicated middle aged metal music fan I find your reactions amusing . I almost watched every video of yours. I love your excitement, honesty and kindness. Also I am learning a lot about music from a different angle. Thanks a lot, keep up the good work. Looking forward to see your future videos. One of my favorite songs ever is Katatonia - In the White. (Don't expect the see a reaction video because it's not a well known band as much as the Pumpkins, but I recommend it for you to hear.) Have a nice day!

    • @VirginRock
      @VirginRock  ปีที่แล้ว +6

      That's my ultimate goal: to help people appreciate music more! I am a teacher as well :)

    • @frailangel2000
      @frailangel2000 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@VirginRock Thanks for the answer, your students are lucky. Greetings from Turkey :)

  • @Endimione17
    @Endimione17 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    The Pumpkins approach has always be very symphonic in texture and architecture; I'm not surprised that Virgin Rock - as a classical musician - could be fascinated

  • @palorius
    @palorius ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I always felt this song was mimicking the surf at the beach as it comes in; sometimes soft and spread thin and sometimes crashing, but always on a predictable rhythm. The hard to the soft moments always seem to me the rumble of the wave hitting the beach and then spreading out all the way up to the sand castle, then pulling back and disappearing for a bit.
    This song I think was misguiding for introducing the band. Something like '1979' would be a more faithful introduction to such a diverse sounding band. However, if you want continue with quirky, "We only Come out at Night" is a great composition.

  • @marcelmarceau2526
    @marcelmarceau2526 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Smashing Pumpkins had the best guitar sound of the 90’s, hands down.

  • @robt7139
    @robt7139 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    This is one of those obscure songs that no one would really know of unless they've spent some time with the album which was a double LP. Definitely not the first song I'd recommend as an intro to The SP's, but I enjoyed your deep dive into the composition. Cheers!

  • @myopia2020
    @myopia2020 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Great analysis!🙂 Billy (Corgan) has a beautifully expressive voice. It either resonates with you or it doesn't (Many hear nothing besides a nasal whine). You intuitively grasped the core of the Pumpkins' dynamics: easily switching from soft to hard, silent to loud, melodic to metal. Not surprisingly, Billy is a master at writing both beautiful ballads and heavy metal head bangers (sometimes both will crop up in the same song like here in Porcelina). Really enjoyed this. Hope you do more Pumpkins!❤ (Just subscribed)

  • @ethanhuntakabobturner4285
    @ethanhuntakabobturner4285 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Far out I'm no musical expert but this song blew my 19 year old mind when I first heard it in 96. The instrumental at the end has such a haunting feel to it and invoked such strong emotions in me then and still does now

  • @garys1098
    @garys1098 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Please, please, please check out Zombie, by The Cranberries! Please! I think you'll be moved by it!

    • @megamancards
      @megamancards ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I love it but she's seems to be more about the technique and not the vocals or mood or message necessarily. So if she covers it and declares it simple that might be disheartening.

    • @garys1098
      @garys1098 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@megamancards You're right. A lot of great music is simple. A lot of complex music is inaccessible to a large part of the audience. I'm not concerned with that. I still believe she will be moved by it.

  • @cranboogie
    @cranboogie ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Amazing analysis, brilliant dissection! Thanks! More Pumpkins, please! 🌀🌀🌀🙏🙏🙏

  • @punker-gamer-trucker-guy
    @punker-gamer-trucker-guy ปีที่แล้ว +30

    If you choose to revisit smashing Pumpkins, I suggest Disarm or Tnight Tonight. The orchestral arrangements are pretty sweet.

    • @auzzieamerican
      @auzzieamerican ปีที่แล้ว +3

      As a diehard longtime Smashing Pumpkins fan I completely support this suggestion.

    • @barbarino2000
      @barbarino2000 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      100%. “Disarm” may be the one she’d enjoy. Such a calming, uplifting song.

    • @vladtheinhaler8940
      @vladtheinhaler8940 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Both classics.

  • @James-op3vx
    @James-op3vx ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Smashing Pumpkins are the greatest band of all time

  • @itsmarmalade
    @itsmarmalade 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I love how this video seems to have attracted every Pumpkins enthusiast on the internet.

  • @rorylynch1203
    @rorylynch1203 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Jimmy and Billy is just such a good combo

  • @cuteasxtreme
    @cuteasxtreme ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Soft and hard dynamics we’re basically vital to rock in the 90s but the Pumpkins are my favorite because of the way they played with “style and mood” as you said it.

  • @MaddelynKayKay
    @MaddelynKayKay 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I've heard so many reviewers dissect The Smashing Pumpkins, but I don't think I've ever heard anyone dissect one of their songs quite like you. Thank you!!!!

  • @mikes9305
    @mikes9305 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Thank you for telling people about the meaning of crescendo!! 😃

  • @DavidNajor-ri9us
    @DavidNajor-ri9us 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Jimmy Chamberlain is a fantastic drummer.

  • @GdnationNY
    @GdnationNY ปีที่แล้ว +20

    Porcelina has been my favorite song from this album since i first heard it. Stopping it to analyze it instead of just listening robbed you of its emotional theatrical weight.

    • @ericbasford9318
      @ericbasford9318 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Are you familiar with this format?!

    • @mpactdesignmedia
      @mpactdesignmedia 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      It's my fave of all their songs. Great tune!

    • @_jacksheldon
      @_jacksheldon 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      I find this comment to be dumb. 😊

  • @ericalhalaby7671
    @ericalhalaby7671 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The Smashing Pumpkins have many interesting songs, but their peak melodically has to be «Disarm». Just a suggestion... Enjoy!

  • @LiiMuRi
    @LiiMuRi ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Interesting. I've never heard this before. The soundscape has some similarities to Jimi Hendrix's 1983... (A Merman I Should Turn to Be).
    Maybe listen to some Hendrix in the future?

  • @rorylynch1203
    @rorylynch1203 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    With Billy it all probably means something and has a point

  • @IStink3
    @IStink3 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Thank you for getting into a deep song from the Smashing Pumpkins! I hope you do a few more from them! I love your videos.

  • @AppalachiaRRlover
    @AppalachiaRRlover ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Yes yes this or Cupid de Locke was perfect for this album for Amy to listen to!

  • @toofattoskate1
    @toofattoskate1 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    The song is a masterpiece. hands down. The unique combination of elements in the track create something truly epic.. One thing i get from this vid apart from the excellent technical analysis is the importance of emotional sonic context - without being familiar with the album as a whole i think a new listener taking one track (a long non single track) as a snapshot may miss a contextual emotional depth.

  • @kevinumber7
    @kevinumber7 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Smashing pumpkins are heros way above all the other 90s bands. Their soft to total distortion is unique and powerful. Song writing is immaculate. Completely love thus as the best. Mind altering emotions when you listen. I'm gonna dive in this summer in vacation

  • @victorjohnson7512
    @victorjohnson7512 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Billy Corgan dated Courtney Love before she married Kurt Cobain from Nirvana, you might say he dodged a bullet by breaking up with her.

    • @embunchofnumbers
      @embunchofnumbers 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      She sadly inspired Billy’s best music. His output has been mid af ever since he cut her out of his life completely.

  • @DerekPower
    @DerekPower ปีที่แล้ว +4

    A very interesting way to get into the world of Smashing Pumpkins =]

  • @cristiansavin4062
    @cristiansavin4062 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Well I still think Siamese Dream is SM best album ...

  • @paulyguitary7651
    @paulyguitary7651 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Can’t say that I’ve met anyone whose first Pumpkins song was this one. Pretty unique first song.

  • @johnthompson6374
    @johnthompson6374 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Many only visit the sea when she is calm, refusing to embrace all of her varying emotions. Learning to appreciate the differences in ourselves as well as others rather than ignoring them at our convenience. I'm glad this will probably not be the last you hear of The Smashing Pumpkins, Amy. Peace/JT

  • @zwanphony
    @zwanphony 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Everything the Smashing Pumpkins create should catch your ears :)

  • @TimmyT1972
    @TimmyT1972 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    The word that came to mind the first time I heard this song, and that still does, is “ethereal”.

  • @Electrohedron
    @Electrohedron ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Those were a lot of pauses & repeats to review a part of a song that soon repeats anyway. Kind of ruined the effect of the transitions - that's part of the magic of this song - the drama of contrasts.
    This song gives me dreamy vibes, passionate & contemplative, not so much playfulness. But we all experience things differently. Shoegaze is dreamier; check it out.

  • @booberry6993
    @booberry6993 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    To answer your question. The intro somewhat ties this song into the album. This song appears on the album Melancholie and the Infinite Sadness, which was a double album, and both discs(or albums) are themed respective of each other. Album A titled " Dawn to Dusk" started very introspective/introverted, and progressed to be much more extroverted. This song is near the end of that album, and the intro to this song was (in my interpretation) the last bit of internalizing, before committing fully to being more outwardly focused.

  • @yogurtfluff1
    @yogurtfluff1 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    If you are wanting to look into 90's prog rock, may I suggest Paranoid Android by Radiohead.

    • @Ray-lw2rh
      @Ray-lw2rh ปีที่แล้ว

      Yes please!

  • @ryanguertin8028
    @ryanguertin8028 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    musically. content wise. yes, there is a reason, and that reason is how the song comes out of the previous song and leads into the next song. it's impossible to "get" an individual song on this record without listening to the album in its entirety.
    also, "Cortez the Killer"

  • @danh945
    @danh945 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The song is about how people can be self destructive - how they can have everything that they want (the love of the previous 4 or 5 songs) and yet still end up with nothing, and only themselves to blame. You can see this most clearly in the section beginning at 25 minutes in your video. The song itself resets a number of times back to the mellow starting point as he gathers himself, takes control, and tries to begin the journey (the next verse) again. At the start he is trying to be very zen and enlightened. You should have noticed how the words (meaning and mouth shape sounds) are very open and his voice is very calm - almost breathy. Lots of gentle consonants and elongation of the vowel sounds. But it can't last. He's too self destructive.
    As we progress through the chorus his voice changes. Now Billy has almost no bass in his voice, so to get ugly he has to put in some almost growling fry-like sounds. A bit of engineering distortion in the mix adds to this. And notice how the words are all now sharply intonated and almost spat out: "WHispers FAthomed DEep InSide My Soul" with heavy stress at the beginning of each word with clear glottal stops between.
    So I think your analysis is off the mark. He's not saying "Without a care in this whole world" because he is carefree, but because he is reverting to his insular depressed addicted, and ultimately rejected persona of Zero. You can't hurt what doesn't exist. After all "it's what you TAKE that makes it right".

  • @matthewnanes
    @matthewnanes ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As a Pumpkins dork and musician, this was great. Unique perspective. Happy to subscribe.

  • @glenjohnson9128
    @glenjohnson9128 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Seems like porcelina represents a false ideal versus everyday. Yet we get caught in the current, then play like we don't care and just enjoy basics

  • @BellsCuriosityShop
    @BellsCuriosityShop ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is one of the stand out tracks on the album for me. Pumpkins.were so good at the one-sided thing.

  • @ludlowworthington697
    @ludlowworthington697 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I’ve often wondered if Billy Corgan, in searching for a distinct voice, chose to cultivate a nasal upper midwestern accent into an art form. I think Bob Dylan tried but was almost mocking everything.
    Just a thought.

  • @maplechill75
    @maplechill75 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I greatly prefer early Pumpkins

  • @stephenburgess626
    @stephenburgess626 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Glad you commented on the drumming. I was going to suggest some Smashing pumpkins when you were learning about the drums. Jimmy Chamberlin is one of the finest there is. The "saw dusty sound" you are hearing is the distortion. But distortion through a Big muff pedal, rather than turning up the volume to create distortion.

  • @punker-gamer-trucker-guy
    @punker-gamer-trucker-guy ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Weird first pick from smashing Pumpkins but it's a really good song

  • @terrykennedy-lares8840
    @terrykennedy-lares8840 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    To answer your question. I think the reason you are getting these "metal" songs with that same sort of a beginning is because THAT is what Vlad likes. Think about it, Metal, grunge, punk, etc. are a minor group with in the rock genre. Again, you do what you do, but listening over and over again to these same types of songs gets boring because they are all the same.

    • @ykmgeedee
      @ykmgeedee ปีที่แล้ว

      I never noticed / thought about it that we had been listening over and over again to metal and grunge and punk etc and that those get boring and that those all sound the same and that they are a minor group with in the rock genre.

  • @magikindian
    @magikindian 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    23:45 Thats the drummers jazz up-bringing.

  • @blueeyedcowboy8291
    @blueeyedcowboy8291 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This two disc album is one of the most diverse albums ever made. So many different sounds and styles. "Thru the Eyes of Ruby" is my favorite, but there are so many amazing songs, for different reasons.

    • @eboethrasher
      @eboethrasher 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Listen to Kiss Me Kiss Me Kiss ME by the Cure. A double album that is all over the place.

  • @stevemogan5384
    @stevemogan5384 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Some great stuff came out of the nineties, Smashing Pumpkins Mellon Colle and the infinite Sadness is one.

  • @KiIIua_
    @KiIIua_ ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Mellon Collie and The Infinite Sadness is such a dope fucking project. For a double album to be that good is insane. I remember when I first fully listened to it and hearing the last song loop back into the first song... reminding me of how that 2hr long journey started. I would like to see you do a dive into Tonight Tonight from that same album lol

  • @troywilliams2777
    @troywilliams2777 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love this channel and the knowledge gained.

  • @xburkbx
    @xburkbx ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Oh, to be a fly on the wall and witness Mr. Corgan's reaction to this reaction. ;)

  • @joshoeltjenbruns1733
    @joshoeltjenbruns1733 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    She's in for a treat. This will hit her like a tsunami that is the wonder of The Smashing Pumpkins.

  • @MewCun
    @MewCun ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Why did I feel like the teacher was marking my homework in front of me?

  • @Bowseefuss101
    @Bowseefuss101 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    MORE SP!!! So many great works in their catalogue

  • @JasonCone
    @JasonCone ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I've often noted the tendency for some rock songs to begin with a soft, or even delicate intro in a wildly different style from the main song. It seems particularly common in heavier rock styles. Often the intro is never really developed or returned to (unless at the very end -- kind of stuck on, there, too). Sometimes I'd like to hear those intro sections and themes developed more, and made a greater part of the song as a whole.

  • @barbosahMX
    @barbosahMX ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That is one lovely song from the Mellon Collie Album and its a great song they usually played as a closing piece for their live presentations.

  • @dazalenko4250
    @dazalenko4250 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Not music for a sheltered life to quite get. Poor Salina