@@beardedcat9744they aren't losing out on that money. Those people playing the Pixelborn tourneys aren't guaranteed to be able to travel to some physical location and pay an exorbitant entry fee on top of their travel, hotel, and food costs. Disney fucked up with this decision.
@@galdanith If u host a irl tournament, the ppl can buy some more products and that money is what lorcana is losing. Also u have to pay to start at an irl tournament, like the challenger in France and America. So...yea...Lorcana lost some money. I don't think it hurt so much, the only ppl we lose are the ppl that doesn't play it irl...
I have a case coming in tomorrow and now I just feel like selling it. I can't get the reps in person like I used to. Knowing disney, they are making their own version that will be extremely pay to play.
Pixelborn was the main thing why I started buying Lorcana cards. I loved the game after a few games because it was so similar to MTG when I was playing years ago. But now I think I will sell all the cards because I don't have time to go to LGS as often as I would want to, and there is no reason to have a card when I maybe will be playing once a month. The plan was to train every day online, buy cards, and attend bigger tournaments live. If they don't release an official online client soon, this game can die.
Having online clients is huge for card games, hopefully Ravensburger will move quickly with their own, so much potential. Also just to add, the thing that’s brought me back to card games of lost interest in, are content creators; that enthusiasm piquing my interest again
I’m optimistic that Disney will see the benefit in an online client and come around to making their own, or hiring pavel to do it for them. If not, then it was a good run. 😊
It's not a bad decision its Disney protecting their intellectual property. Plain and simple. Technically what he was doing was illegal and hes lucky it stopped at a C&D. Disney is ferocious when it comes to copyright. When they started having tournaments that have a monetary payouts in the thousands this is the expected result. This community is so entitled its insane.
I totally agree with your comment. This video sounds more salty than anything. The community lacked creativeness because of how easily access people can test decks and just copy the meta. They’re going to put their own card game under paywall, so if you want to play online and “test” then invest in that instead. It’s bad optics once they started hosting big tournaments. If just not having one client will make you quit, then it’s your loss. I don’t think this will be detrimental to the game in anyway, and actually will make more creativity from the community.
It was foolish arrogance to host tournaments for money. I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner. It only didn't because they were still looking at their plans for online clients.
That probably would be the best thing to do buy the pixel born, shut it down for, let's say, half a year, pimp it and release it for everyone with 2 sets available with all the cards and sell boosters for another 2 sets or make sealed tournaments and everyone would be happy people could play the game for free or invest money and get all the cards for competitive online play Disney rb would earn $
Disney nor Ravensburger ever expected to build a community around unofficial fan made online client, and it wasn't in their pitch to Disney when they sought the license. It's great lots of people got a lot of enjoyment out of it, lots of great content and exciting tournaments. People from all over the world got to play Lorcana, especially in South America where they couldn't get the game. People who didn't have an LGS or it was too difficult to justify taking the weekend to play card games. But...all of those things would still be true if Pixelborn never existed. People in South America wouldn't be able to play. People without LGS wouldn't have been able to play. All of that was known to Ravensburger. It was known when they announced it to fans. It is unfortunate, but that's what I mean by setting expectations. Lorcana couldn't have been built around a fan made, free to play online client. It might hurt their sales, but they had to have known that this was going to be the case - they made and designed all of the sets and competitive rollout based on the proposition they would be popular on their own merits. I agree that every card game needs to have the most scrutiny from the most amount of players possible buttttttttt if we're supposed to be upset with anyone it should be Pixelborn for showing us a false way to enjoy the game and come together knowing that Disney would shut it down. I'm going to miss the content, I do think I will buy less product now but it's the way it is because the way it was wasn't sustainable. All of the points you're making as valid except the part where this whole community was built on the shoulders of a fan project without any authority to do so. If Pixelborn didnt exist no one would say that they dont have enough time to go to LGS. They wouldn't say its ashame that its not available worldwide. They couldn't say they dont have any ways to test. That was always supposed to be the case.
So, I posted this elsewhere, but I ended up being able to check out Lorcana because of Pixelborn. I bought some starters, and I could tell that the game had potential, but I wasn't sold on it yet. I had enough interest to Google Lorcana. I found Pixelborn. I was able to genuinely see what the game was about after getting the ability to play with ALL of the cards. More importantly, I was able to grind games with other like-minded players to really see what the game had in store for the future. Only AFTER I was able to do that, did I start spending real money on this game. The reality is, had Hasbro not so badly mismanaged Magic over the last few years, Lorcana might not have even been on my radar. But Hasbro did mismanage, and so Lorcana ended up being a potential replacement for Magic. So far, I've been LOVING Lorcana. BUT I only KNOW that BECAUSE I was able to PLAY using Pixelborn. I've played maybe a half dozen honest to goodness IRL physical games using the cards. Yet I've spent THOUSANDS over the last 6 or so months BECAUSE of Pixelborn and what I know the game can be, precisely because I was ABLE TO PLAY! I can't stress enough how big of a deal it was to be able to genuinely get a feel for the game and to be comfortable spending that kind of cash. I've been burned on too many card games over the years. I won't do it again. Pixelborn, unofficial though it may be, gave me the ability to have confidence in my purchase of the physical card game. Maybe there is an official client on the way. But it would have been a hell of a lot better to shut down Pixelborn AFTER that was announced, if that even is the case.
@Xoulrath_ I agree with you totally, except Ravensburger didn't do any of that to you. They did not make Pixelborn. They didn't take away your ability to enjoy the game, because the way you learned to love the game was built on an unlicensed, unofficial, fan-created client that used Ravensburger game with Disney's IP. Ravensburger never intended everyone to fall in love with Lorcana by playing it for free with Pixelborn. They never intended everyone to buy so much product after playing the game they worked so hard on. How do I know this? They didn't make a free-to-play game. They didn't intend it to be loved internationally. How do I know that? They never released it all over the globe. They never expected so much Lorcana content on TH-cam. How do I know that? They didn't make Pixelborn. It's clear it would be better for everyone had Pixelborn never existed because now everyone feels like they've had something taken away from them, something that shouldn't have existed in the first place against the Rights holders at Disney. I don't personally like Disney. I agree they're leaving a ton of money on the table and this may ultimately be fatal to Lorcana, but that is because we're comparing it to Pixelborn. It would be extremely ambitious if they decided in the first year of the game that not only would they print and distribute cards, they'd also have a fully functional online client and they would do this all while having no idea that the game would be successful. Ravensburger doesn't have a digital team, they would have to outsource. They would have to clear all the artwork, monetization, special effects, music and everything with Disney. Then make sure it's different from competitors. This takes time, if it was even a consideration to begin with. This has nothing to do with my personal feelings. I agree: Pixelborn was awesome, but its to blame for the community now feeling slighted like they lost something. It probably will hurt Ravensburger, undoubtedly, but it's not their choice to have a free-to-play client attract all of this attention to their product. They don't control Pixelborn, they can't keep it open even if they wanted. It would have been a great idea to shut down Pixelborn once the new client was announced except: a) Did they ever even plan to have an online Client? and b) Did Disney ever agree to allow fans to use their characters in a Free-to-play online game?
@@hatertime dude, I NEVER said that Ravensburger or Disney did ANYTHING to me. Please don't read anything into what I wrote. I merely pointed out that I was able to check out Lorcana because of Pixelborn. It's a net negative for the game. I still have yet to find any place to play in person close enough to me. At least with Pixelborn, I could play the game, get some decks tested out, and be ready for when I can finally play more often in paper. I bought product to support Ravensburger BECAUSE of Pixelborn. This, DEPSITE the fact that I've played all of a handful of times in person. I had fully intended to go drop about $250 on Lorcana on Friday when the game releases at the big box stores where i can get it. I'm not so sure now. I still love the game, but again, I only kept buying the cards to support Ravensburger for making a great game. A game that Pixelborn gave me the ability to play. I probably wouldn't have bothered at all without Pixelborn. It was NOT in Ravensburger's best interest to do this.
@Xoulrath_ it's you who can't read though. You keep repeating yourself how this is bad for the game to shut down Pixelborn. I agree, but it wasn't Ravensburger idea to have this be bad for the game - they never made Pixelborn. Disney doesn't care if it's bad for Lorcana. They can't allow people to do whatever they want with their stuff. Disney is famously extremely litigious. I agreed that you bought product because of Pixelborn. What does any of that have to do with Ravensburger? They didn't make Pixelborn, therefore didn't make you buy products after testing them. I know you play Lorcana BECAUSE OF PIXELBORN, That is easy to comprehend. What you're not understanding is that Ravensburger doesn't have control over the fact that you like their game because of Pixelborn. They didn't make Pixelborn, they can't control if it stays open or gets closed, or a rain storm wipes the servers or something. It isn't a product that is for sale from them. This is why Pixelborn was destructive to Lorcana - it set expectations too high for what Lorcana is.
I bought physical product for all sets. No online client and I will have to see what happens this year. Not gonna buy until I see a good gaming community future
You have perfectly summarized the situation. It is understandable and it was predictable that Disney would act sooner or later, but without an official customer announcement behind it? I am in the same situation, I collect Lorcana only to play it, speculation doesn't interest me, and I don't have the time, energy, or money to pay for so much gas, to go to stores to play games against players who have the same constraints. Many players will lose interest in my opinion. Those who buy for speculation will remain, those who play on their own will stay, there will be a few tournaments, but the hype will die down and the game will slowly fade into obscurity if Disney shows little interest in the players' interest in the game itself and not its speculative value. Personally, if no announcement is made by June 16, I will sell everything and say bye bye to Lorcana.
The problem is that most people aren't paying for digital and physical. I COULD play Arena, but I don't, because I'm not going to let Wizards charge me once for physical copies, and then a second time, at an absurd cost, for a digital copy that I NEVER own. IF the official Lorcana app, were it to happen, entirely free to play, with microtransactions to cover operating costs and the necessary profit to make it worth the company's time, then I'd be inclined to give it a try. Conversely, they could push pack sales by giving a digital pack with each pack purchase; I believe that that is what Pokémon does. Either of these methods is acceptable. But if they pull the bullshit that Hasbro did with Arena, then I won't even bother to download it. That doesn't mean that others won't throw their money away on nothing, of course.
I’m def sad . But i understand . I won’t be in a rush to buy cards not knowing if I like the decks or meta . I hope ravensburger makes their own client . I bet the cards won’t all be free right away tho
Don't think too short sighted about losing pixel born and harming the industry. Disney knew that pixelborn existed well before set 2 released. They let pixelborn exist to generate a community and hype. All the while testing their game and deciding whether to drop an app like arena in the mean time. A company like disney has enough resources to create a game like that in months. They purposely let this go on and then decided its time to drop pixelborn in anticipation of a release. Its classic company type of move. Disney knows theres money to be made with this game. Just look at arena and you can tell they are following the same steps.
I won't even play it for free. Arena is fucking trash. Disney will likely make that model even worse somehow. I may br about to quit the game entirely. I have ZERO local scene, so why do I keep buying these cards if I have nowhere to play at all now? Good question.
Yeah I am out now I am unable to play locally due to work (nurse) so life is stressful and honestly I dont want to spend a full day in a cramped room on a Sunday on my only day off between college and 2 jobs. Pixelborn saved lorcana but WE KNOW how their client will be, it will be paywalled to hell. I am honestly going back to yu gi oh.
What makes me doubtful of this is that it's disney and they are completely clueless. Someone is using our ip so it has to be shutdown is their mindset which like said in the video makes sense from a corporate perspective but logically unless there is a digital client launching by end of the year it will do more harm than good in the end
It depends. If playing online ends up being a separate cost and costs as much as Hearthstone while you’re also trying to play in paper, that’s not going to be better off for most people.
It's not completely obvious that they are working on their own online version. Ravensburger has the right to a physical TCG based on Disney IP. Ravensburger makes puzzles and boardgames, not online card games. Eventually, maybe, they will make one, but in the First year of release? If they have not started already - which would be incredibly ambitious considering they had no clue how popular Lorcana would become. It's not even available in all languages, and they haven't even started advertising the game yet. They said they will start advertising in Set 5. I suspect that decision was made long before they knew Lorcana would get huge off the back of Pixelborn.
I think this will not change anything, I mean disney pretend to be blind with the pixelborn app, because that game was choking a little bit in the beginning, seems to be over now. I think they will not undo thier decisions, also because then thier rights might be in danger? ( at least in the US?) so I think we can just hope for en offical client even that sucks hard.
I stopped going to lgs after set champs. I dont like playing in person and prefer online. I have ordered nothing of set 4 and this makes my decision to quit playing and move onto something else so much easier. I enjoyed Pixelborn for the reasons you said. I dont have the time to grind out a bunch of games over a weekend and i have a real job to. Quitting this is a good way to save money.
The only reason I started playing Lorcana seriously and ultimately decided to invest in irl product was because of pixelborn. Knowing that I had a resource where all cards were available to test with prior to purchasing product, as well as having a place to practice, get together with friends, and test my builds against the best in the world, was the sole reason my interest in Lorcana even sprouted. I knew of the game. Heard through the grapevine that it was good, mechanically speaking, but I never would have looked twice at it had I not been able to download the free client Pavel built and given the opportunity to try it out on my own time, let alone have something that I could go back to at any time I wanted when time permitted me to, and play some games. Test some decks. Brew with the entire library of cards at my fingertips. Really push my skill and imagination to the limits WITHOUT limitations or barriers such as pay to win or lack of community to play with. It's a shame. That's the only thing that settles in my mind at the end of all of this. What a damn shame...
They know they have us hooked now and they can kill pixelborn without losing a significant portion of the player base now that the challenge series is established.
@@6thface not this guy lol. I won't invest another dime or support the game moving forward unless there's a reliable and easily accessible online community in which to play as well. They just cut about half of their player base at the knees. They're choking the growth of their own games community and bottle necking it essentially stifling any future innovation by closing the town square.
I bought product BECAUSE of Pixelborn. I've played all of half a dozen games in paper against actual human opponents. Any other reps that I've gotten in with paper have been me running decks against one another. Pixelborn allowed me to brew, which is literally HALF of my enjoyment from card games, without any drawbacks. The other half of my enjoyment with card games comes from tuning those decks against the meta and making them successful. This was so easy to do on Pixelborn and I could make adjustments immediately as needed, after each and every game if required. Sleeving up the cards in paper, running through all of the reps that the computer could do so much quicker, and then having to swap in new cards, and do it all over again, isn't an ordeal that I wish to go through.
I think it will all be fine even if they make their own client or not. I’ve been playing without pixelborn alot I know a majority of players cannot do it but I sort of like the aspect of people not “netdecking” in this game I think it will bring some variety in deck crafting in person. Sort of like how Yugioh currently is. But this is my opinion. Probably bad take honestly but I’m tired of seeing all the same decks at locals I want people to branch out and try different cards or cards no one seem to even look at.
@@Xoulrath_ Yes it does? A majority of the people who actually make the decks off pixelborn are content creators. A majority of people get their deck list from said content creators. But keep being salty for no reason.
@@beardedcat9744 OK, sure. So I guess that the netdecking that's been going on in Magic for 20+ years had to do with TH-cam creators? 🤔💭🤣 Dude, no. That's NOT what netdecking is.
@@Xoulrath_ Okay so a majority of players who play lorcana get their deck lists from content creators. I mean prove me wrong look at all the people who are “quitting the game” now because their favorite youtubers can’t make deck lists for them now. MTG has nothing to do with lorcana. Half the decks in the game are meta due to one person uploading a deck list and the video becoming popular. But like I said try and prove my point. People don’t even care about dreamborn for deck lists they always resort to seeing a deck on youtube and netdecking it.
@@beardedcat9744 dude, you're talking in circles. You've made no actual point. I NEVER said that MTG was Lorcana (despite the fact that Lorcana takes a lot from Magic). I said that netdecking has existed forever. It's literally called NETdecking because you get the deck from the interNET. Otherwise it would be called Tubedecking, now wouldn't it? The reality is that "netdecking" existed even before access to the internet became widespread. Information took a little longer to get passed around back then, but people still "netdecked." You seem to have this thought in your head that people won't still post decklists. Or that content creators won't still have content that showcases the decks that they are working on. While it is true that some TH-camrs might be done with the game without being able to use Pixelborn, others will take their place. The best cards will rise to the top. People will spread this information on the internet. Best decks will be a thing. Just because the current source of info has changed, doesn't mean that the info is just gone. People will continue to play this game. Content will still be made. Decklists that win tournaments will be available. That IS netdecking. Anyway dude, I'm out. I appreciate you being respectful. You just don't seem to want to let go of this notion that Pixelborn is Lorcana, which it isn't. Have a great life. Til the next time I run into you in the comments...
Sad day. I have a set 4 case coming soon as well and had the exact same thought "Do I even open those boxes?". Without getting in the reps online against strong players, and without understanding the evolving meta, I'm far less likely to participate in any competitive events where I will have almost no practices ahead of time in comparison to now.
Everyone will be in the same boat. I actually like that the Meta will move slower without pixelborn. I think it will result in a larger variety of decks.
@@nebnesnah there's plenty of variety. There always has been. Moat players just take the easy road. That will still be the case moving forward. This actually makes the meta stagnate more, because players like myself, who are all too willing to experiment, can't do so easily anymore.
@@swrodgonit wasn’t poor planning. It’s basic business. It’s far better for companies to underproduce and sell out, than overproduce and have stock clogging up shelves (which ticks off retailers and results in no further orders being made) The point is everyone acts like pixelborn was the end all be all of Lorcana, when the creator said they’d get shut down from day one
I mean the big 3 (mtg, ygo, Pokemon) launched in the 90s, so yeah they didn’t launch initially with it since pc games in general weren’t really a thing, especially online multiplayer in the nascent days of the internet. MTG released an online game by the end of the decade though, Pokemon had a GB game and followed it up with an online one in the 00s, and YGO had a new GB/GBA game yearly like madden football for the longest time before shifting to just online games. All 3 still are thriving.
@@swrodgonso you gave examples of games that got clients eventually, just like how Lorcana will more than likely get one eventually. But I ask again, what modern TCG has launched with a digital client at the same time as the paper game?
Low blow to the community. This is so good for my kid to get reps and learn the cards. You’re absolutely right. They should have embraced it, not turned it away
Hahahahaahahah. GOOD. Fucking high dollar promo cards and the sharks they attracted have already ruined this game. Shut down the online. Shut down the uber expensive promo cards. Shut down the reselling shark players that show up to every tourney to win as many of the cards they can and get back to what this was intended to be….a casual game all fans can play collect and enjoy. Happy day indeed
You realize that isn’t ever going to happen, RB is hosting competitive events, people will always pay to win. If you want casual do shift leader or something.
I want the hogging and scalping of high end promos by a few players to stop. Didnt we already see a well known streamer get caught cheating in ATL? That’s what happens when you attach high dollar prizes to few handful of promo cards that too many cant get. Limit the prizes to 1 copy per person.
@@qcmohawks1 some people cheat, because some people suck. You can't really do anything to stop it. In fact, it typically works out that the more that you try to stop people who would cheat, the worse it gets for the average non-cheater. This isn't exclusive to card games either. It's just human nature as sad as that is. As for the limit 1 per person idea, it sounds great in theory, but it's simply too hard to enforce. At the Atlanta tournament that you mention, it was a singular event, so players would have only been getting one promo per placement level to begin with. I can only assume that you mean the Stitch Enchanted when you mention this. With regards to the Enchanted Stitch, Ravensburger isn't going to be doing some network of registered LGSs that then have a database of players by player number. It's too much additional work, with no compensation, for all involved at every step of the process. Short of making every tournament player register for a system like this, there really isn't any way to stop any player who wants to from going to different stores to attempt to win multiple prizes.
I also think it's important to point out that pixelborn was hosting $10,000 tournaments. At a certain point Disney can't look the other way anymore.
Great point. That’s money they’re losing out on.
@@beardedcat9744they aren't losing out on that money. Those people playing the Pixelborn tourneys aren't guaranteed to be able to travel to some physical location and pay an exorbitant entry fee on top of their travel, hotel, and food costs.
Disney fucked up with this decision.
Yes, that was super dumb of the community to start doing.
What's the difference between hosting an irl tournament vs digital? Pretty sure you don't need permission for either?
@@galdanith If u host a irl tournament, the ppl can buy some more products and that money is what lorcana is losing. Also u have to pay to start at an irl tournament, like the challenger in France and America. So...yea...Lorcana lost some money.
I don't think it hurt so much, the only ppl we lose are the ppl that doesn't play it irl...
I have a case coming in tomorrow and now I just feel like selling it. I can't get the reps in person like I used to. Knowing disney, they are making their own version that will be extremely pay to play.
Pixelborn was the main thing why I started buying Lorcana cards. I loved the game after a few games because it was so similar to MTG when I was playing years ago. But now I think I will sell all the cards because I don't have time to go to LGS as often as I would want to, and there is no reason to have a card when I maybe will be playing once a month. The plan was to train every day online, buy cards, and attend bigger tournaments live. If they don't release an official online client soon, this game can die.
Having online clients is huge for card games, hopefully Ravensburger will move quickly with their own, so much potential. Also just to add, the thing that’s brought me back to card games of lost interest in, are content creators; that enthusiasm piquing my interest again
100% this game would have died without Pixelborn when The First Chapter was released. It's sad this is happening.
No it wouldn’t have
I’m optimistic that Disney will see the benefit in an online client and come around to making their own, or hiring pavel to do it for them. If not, then it was a good run. 😊
It's not a bad decision its Disney protecting their intellectual property. Plain and simple. Technically what he was doing was illegal and hes lucky it stopped at a C&D. Disney is ferocious when it comes to copyright. When they started having tournaments that have a monetary payouts in the thousands this is the expected result. This community is so entitled its insane.
I totally agree with your comment. This video sounds more salty than anything. The community lacked creativeness because of how easily access people can test decks and just copy the meta. They’re going to put their own card game under paywall, so if you want to play online and “test” then invest in that instead. It’s bad optics once they started hosting big tournaments. If just not having one client will make you quit, then it’s your loss. I don’t think this will be detrimental to the game in anyway, and actually will make more creativity from the community.
The game is not even marketed in most of the world. And much less organized play. You have to try to look beyond your own situation.
@@overfedninja Yeah he is just salty he lost a way to make easy content.
@@vilainn6 lol
It was foolish arrogance to host tournaments for money. I'm surprised this didn't happen sooner. It only didn't because they were still looking at their plans for online clients.
Instead of forcing him to close Pixelborn, they should have bought it. Disney is amazing at making the stupidest decision. A shame really.
That probably would be the best thing to do buy the pixel born, shut it down for, let's say, half a year, pimp it and release it for everyone with 2 sets available with all the cards and sell boosters for another 2 sets or make sealed tournaments and everyone would be happy people could play the game for free or invest money and get all the cards for competitive online play Disney rb would earn $
Why would they give away money for absolutely no reason? Silly comment, they have nothing to gain out of it.
Disney nor Ravensburger ever expected to build a community around unofficial fan made online client, and it wasn't in their pitch to Disney when they sought the license. It's great lots of people got a lot of enjoyment out of it, lots of great content and exciting tournaments. People from all over the world got to play Lorcana, especially in South America where they couldn't get the game. People who didn't have an LGS or it was too difficult to justify taking the weekend to play card games.
But...all of those things would still be true if Pixelborn never existed. People in South America wouldn't be able to play. People without LGS wouldn't have been able to play. All of that was known to Ravensburger. It was known when they announced it to fans.
It is unfortunate, but that's what I mean by setting expectations. Lorcana couldn't have been built around a fan made, free to play online client. It might hurt their sales, but they had to have known that this was going to be the case - they made and designed all of the sets and competitive rollout based on the proposition they would be popular on their own merits.
I agree that every card game needs to have the most scrutiny from the most amount of players possible buttttttttt if we're supposed to be upset with anyone it should be Pixelborn for showing us a false way to enjoy the game and come together knowing that Disney would shut it down. I'm going to miss the content, I do think I will buy less product now but it's the way it is because the way it was wasn't sustainable.
All of the points you're making as valid except the part where this whole community was built on the shoulders of a fan project without any authority to do so. If Pixelborn didnt exist no one would say that they dont have enough time to go to LGS. They wouldn't say its ashame that its not available worldwide. They couldn't say they dont have any ways to test. That was always supposed to be the case.
So, I posted this elsewhere, but I ended up being able to check out Lorcana because of Pixelborn. I bought some starters, and I could tell that the game had potential, but I wasn't sold on it yet.
I had enough interest to Google Lorcana. I found Pixelborn. I was able to genuinely see what the game was about after getting the ability to play with ALL of the cards. More importantly, I was able to grind games with other like-minded players to really see what the game had in store for the future. Only AFTER I was able to do that, did I start spending real money on this game.
The reality is, had Hasbro not so badly mismanaged Magic over the last few years, Lorcana might not have even been on my radar. But Hasbro did mismanage, and so Lorcana ended up being a potential replacement for Magic. So far, I've been LOVING Lorcana. BUT I only KNOW that BECAUSE I was able to PLAY using Pixelborn. I've played maybe a half dozen honest to goodness IRL physical games using the cards. Yet I've spent THOUSANDS over the last 6 or so months BECAUSE of Pixelborn and what I know the game can be, precisely because I was ABLE TO PLAY!
I can't stress enough how big of a deal it was to be able to genuinely get a feel for the game and to be comfortable spending that kind of cash. I've been burned on too many card games over the years. I won't do it again. Pixelborn, unofficial though it may be, gave me the ability to have confidence in my purchase of the physical card game.
Maybe there is an official client on the way. But it would have been a hell of a lot better to shut down Pixelborn AFTER that was announced, if that even is the case.
@Xoulrath_ I agree with you totally, except Ravensburger didn't do any of that to you. They did not make Pixelborn. They didn't take away your ability to enjoy the game, because the way you learned to love the game was built on an unlicensed, unofficial, fan-created client that used Ravensburger game with Disney's IP.
Ravensburger never intended everyone to fall in love with Lorcana by playing it for free with Pixelborn. They never intended everyone to buy so much product after playing the game they worked so hard on. How do I know this? They didn't make a free-to-play game. They didn't intend it to be loved internationally. How do I know that? They never released it all over the globe. They never expected so much Lorcana content on TH-cam. How do I know that? They didn't make Pixelborn.
It's clear it would be better for everyone had Pixelborn never existed because now everyone feels like they've had something taken away from them, something that shouldn't have existed in the first place against the Rights holders at Disney. I don't personally like Disney. I agree they're leaving a ton of money on the table and this may ultimately be fatal to Lorcana, but that is because we're comparing it to Pixelborn. It would be extremely ambitious if they decided in the first year of the game that not only would they print and distribute cards, they'd also have a fully functional online client and they would do this all while having no idea that the game would be successful.
Ravensburger doesn't have a digital team, they would have to outsource. They would have to clear all the artwork, monetization, special effects, music and everything with Disney. Then make sure it's different from competitors. This takes time, if it was even a consideration to begin with.
This has nothing to do with my personal feelings. I agree: Pixelborn was awesome, but its to blame for the community now feeling slighted like they lost something. It probably will hurt Ravensburger, undoubtedly, but it's not their choice to have a free-to-play client attract all of this attention to their product. They don't control Pixelborn, they can't keep it open even if they wanted.
It would have been a great idea to shut down Pixelborn once the new client was announced except: a) Did they ever even plan to have an online Client? and b) Did Disney ever agree to allow fans to use their characters in a Free-to-play online game?
@@hatertime dude, I NEVER said that Ravensburger or Disney did ANYTHING to me. Please don't read anything into what I wrote.
I merely pointed out that I was able to check out Lorcana because of Pixelborn. It's a net negative for the game. I still have yet to find any place to play in person close enough to me. At least with Pixelborn, I could play the game, get some decks tested out, and be ready for when I can finally play more often in paper.
I bought product to support Ravensburger BECAUSE of Pixelborn. This, DEPSITE the fact that I've played all of a handful of times in person. I had fully intended to go drop about $250 on Lorcana on Friday when the game releases at the big box stores where i can get it. I'm not so sure now. I still love the game, but again, I only kept buying the cards to support Ravensburger for making a great game. A game that Pixelborn gave me the ability to play.
I probably wouldn't have bothered at all without Pixelborn. It was NOT in Ravensburger's best interest to do this.
@Xoulrath_ it's you who can't read though. You keep repeating yourself how this is bad for the game to shut down Pixelborn. I agree, but it wasn't Ravensburger idea to have this be bad for the game - they never made Pixelborn. Disney doesn't care if it's bad for Lorcana. They can't allow people to do whatever they want with their stuff. Disney is famously extremely litigious.
I agreed that you bought product because of Pixelborn. What does any of that have to do with Ravensburger? They didn't make Pixelborn, therefore didn't make you buy products after testing them. I know you play Lorcana BECAUSE OF PIXELBORN, That is easy to comprehend. What you're not understanding is that Ravensburger doesn't have control over the fact that you like their game because of Pixelborn. They didn't make Pixelborn, they can't control if it stays open or gets closed, or a rain storm wipes the servers or something. It isn't a product that is for sale from them. This is why Pixelborn was destructive to Lorcana - it set expectations too high for what Lorcana is.
Test on table top simulator?
I bought physical product for all sets. No online client and I will have to see what happens this year. Not gonna buy until I see a good gaming community future
I knew this was going to happen when set 2 and 3 cards weren’t selling anymore and now you can get cases below retail. I couldn’t afford the cards.
You have perfectly summarized the situation. It is understandable and it was predictable that Disney would act sooner or later, but without an official customer announcement behind it?
I am in the same situation, I collect Lorcana only to play it, speculation doesn't interest me, and I don't have the time, energy, or money to pay for so much gas, to go to stores to play games against players who have the same constraints.
Many players will lose interest in my opinion. Those who buy for speculation will remain, those who play on their own will stay, there will be a few tournaments, but the hype will die down and the game will slowly fade into obscurity if Disney shows little interest in the players' interest in the game itself and not its speculative value.
Personally, if no announcement is made by June 16, I will sell everything and say bye bye to Lorcana.
Why wouldn't they just hire him and monetize this.. some companies are just so dumb
We don’t know if that’s a plan, nor would he be allowed to say anything if he signed and NDA.
Maybe thats what they are doing. Have pixelborn to generate the hype and community then drop it in anticipation of releasing their own app
The problem is that most people aren't paying for digital and physical. I COULD play Arena, but I don't, because I'm not going to let Wizards charge me once for physical copies, and then a second time, at an absurd cost, for a digital copy that I NEVER own.
IF the official Lorcana app, were it to happen, entirely free to play, with microtransactions to cover operating costs and the necessary profit to make it worth the company's time, then I'd be inclined to give it a try. Conversely, they could push pack sales by giving a digital pack with each pack purchase; I believe that that is what Pokémon does. Either of these methods is acceptable. But if they pull the bullshit that Hasbro did with Arena, then I won't even bother to download it. That doesn't mean that others won't throw their money away on nothing, of course.
Pretty sure Disney knows what they are doing
@@Rayquaza894 there are hundreds of millions of people on this planet who would disagree. 🤣
I’m def sad . But i understand . I won’t be in a rush to buy cards not knowing if I like the decks or meta . I hope ravensburger makes their own client . I bet the cards won’t all be free right away tho
I was having trouble with downloading the latest software of Pixelborn
Don't think too short sighted about losing pixel born and harming the industry. Disney knew that pixelborn existed well before set 2 released. They let pixelborn exist to generate a community and hype. All the while testing their game and deciding whether to drop an app like arena in the mean time. A company like disney has enough resources to create a game like that in months. They purposely let this go on and then decided its time to drop pixelborn in anticipation of a release. Its classic company type of move. Disney knows theres money to be made with this game. Just look at arena and you can tell they are following the same steps.
I won't even play it for free. Arena is fucking trash. Disney will likely make that model even worse somehow. I may br about to quit the game entirely. I have ZERO local scene, so why do I keep buying these cards if I have nowhere to play at all now? Good question.
I agree with you and at the same point they need to protect their own IP.
Yeah I am out now I am unable to play locally due to work (nurse) so life is stressful and honestly I dont want to spend a full day in a cramped room on a Sunday on my only day off between college and 2 jobs. Pixelborn saved lorcana but WE KNOW how their client will be, it will be paywalled to hell. I am honestly going back to yu gi oh.
I just wish Lorcana TCG Online Exists at most.
Good! Now I won't have to hear you develop and establish. :)
You could’ve solved that problem much easier, just don’t watch the videos!
Well said :)
Obviously they are making their own and they should. Pixelborn was good because it was the only thing available. Eventually we will be better off.
What makes me doubtful of this is that it's disney and they are completely clueless. Someone is using our ip so it has to be shutdown is their mindset which like said in the video makes sense from a corporate perspective but logically unless there is a digital client launching by end of the year it will do more harm than good in the end
It depends. If playing online ends up being a separate cost and costs as much as Hearthstone while you’re also trying to play in paper, that’s not going to be better off for most people.
Free, great client vs almost guaranteed heavily monetized. Yeah we are better off.
It's not completely obvious that they are working on their own online version. Ravensburger has the right to a physical TCG based on Disney IP.
Ravensburger makes puzzles and boardgames, not online card games. Eventually, maybe, they will make one, but in the First year of release? If they have not started already - which would be incredibly ambitious considering they had no clue how popular Lorcana would become.
It's not even available in all languages, and they haven't even started advertising the game yet. They said they will start advertising in Set 5. I suspect that decision was made long before they knew Lorcana would get huge off the back of Pixelborn.
no I think that they do not intend to, I don't think it's obvious at all.
does anybody have a link to a petition?
I think this will not change anything, I mean disney pretend to be blind with the pixelborn app, because that game was choking a little bit in the beginning, seems to be over now. I think they will not undo thier decisions, also because then thier rights might be in danger? ( at least in the US?) so I think we can just hope for en offical client even that sucks hard.
why...something will be released like arena soon
Yeah, let’s keep a buggy unofficial client going just because we want to play for free
This is why we can't have nice things...
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@@anthonyalonzo6395 No
I stopped going to lgs after set champs. I dont like playing in person and prefer online. I have ordered nothing of set 4 and this makes my decision to quit playing and move onto something else so much easier. I enjoyed Pixelborn for the reasons you said. I dont have the time to grind out a bunch of games over a weekend and i have a real job to. Quitting this is a good way to save money.
I mean it sounds like you weren’t really spending any money in the first place if you were just playing on pixelborn
@@sdc3536 I have every card of the first 3 sets.
your lost man. Sell your cards and good riddance.
Nooooooo 😢😢😢 I'm sad
The only reason I started playing Lorcana seriously and ultimately decided to invest in irl product was because of pixelborn. Knowing that I had a resource where all cards were available to test with prior to purchasing product, as well as having a place to practice, get together with friends, and test my builds against the best in the world, was the sole reason my interest in Lorcana even sprouted. I knew of the game. Heard through the grapevine that it was good, mechanically speaking, but I never would have looked twice at it had I not been able to download the free client Pavel built and given the opportunity to try it out on my own time, let alone have something that I could go back to at any time I wanted when time permitted me to, and play some games. Test some decks. Brew with the entire library of cards at my fingertips. Really push my skill and imagination to the limits WITHOUT limitations or barriers such as pay to win or lack of community to play with. It's a shame. That's the only thing that settles in my mind at the end of all of this. What a damn shame...
They know they have us hooked now and they can kill pixelborn without losing a significant portion of the player base now that the challenge series is established.
@@6thface not this guy lol. I won't invest another dime or support the game moving forward unless there's a reliable and easily accessible online community in which to play as well. They just cut about half of their player base at the knees. They're choking the growth of their own games community and bottle necking it essentially stifling any future innovation by closing the town square.
I bought product BECAUSE of Pixelborn. I've played all of half a dozen games in paper against actual human opponents. Any other reps that I've gotten in with paper have been me running decks against one another.
Pixelborn allowed me to brew, which is literally HALF of my enjoyment from card games, without any drawbacks. The other half of my enjoyment with card games comes from tuning those decks against the meta and making them successful. This was so easy to do on Pixelborn and I could make adjustments immediately as needed, after each and every game if required. Sleeving up the cards in paper, running through all of the reps that the computer could do so much quicker, and then having to swap in new cards, and do it all over again, isn't an ordeal that I wish to go through.
I made decks on pixelborn, practiced them then I bought the extra cards that I needed. With pixelborn gone Im going to quit.
I think it will all be fine even if they make their own client or not. I’ve been playing without pixelborn alot I know a majority of players cannot do it but I sort of like the aspect of people not “netdecking” in this game I think it will bring some variety in deck crafting in person. Sort of like how Yugioh currently is. But this is my opinion. Probably bad take honestly but I’m tired of seeing all the same decks at locals I want people to branch out and try different cards or cards no one seem to even look at.
Netdecking doesn't exist because of online clients. It exists because of the internet. This doesn't fix that. 🤦🏻♂️
@@Xoulrath_ Yes it does? A majority of the people who actually make the decks off pixelborn are content creators. A majority of people get their deck list from said content creators. But keep being salty for no reason.
@@beardedcat9744 OK, sure. So I guess that the netdecking that's been going on in Magic for 20+ years had to do with TH-cam creators? 🤔💭🤣
Dude, no. That's NOT what netdecking is.
@@Xoulrath_ Okay so a majority of players who play lorcana get their deck lists from content creators. I mean prove me wrong look at all the people who are “quitting the game” now because their favorite youtubers can’t make deck lists for them now. MTG has nothing to do with lorcana. Half the decks in the game are meta due to one person uploading a deck list and the video becoming popular. But like I said try and prove my point. People don’t even care about dreamborn for deck lists they always resort to seeing a deck on youtube and netdecking it.
@@beardedcat9744 dude, you're talking in circles. You've made no actual point. I NEVER said that MTG was Lorcana (despite the fact that Lorcana takes a lot from Magic). I said that netdecking has existed forever.
It's literally called NETdecking because you get the deck from the interNET. Otherwise it would be called Tubedecking, now wouldn't it? The reality is that "netdecking" existed even before access to the internet became widespread. Information took a little longer to get passed around back then, but people still "netdecked."
You seem to have this thought in your head that people won't still post decklists. Or that content creators won't still have content that showcases the decks that they are working on. While it is true that some TH-camrs might be done with the game without being able to use Pixelborn, others will take their place. The best cards will rise to the top. People will spread this information on the internet. Best decks will be a thing.
Just because the current source of info has changed, doesn't mean that the info is just gone. People will continue to play this game. Content will still be made. Decklists that win tournaments will be available. That IS netdecking.
Anyway dude, I'm out. I appreciate you being respectful. You just don't seem to want to let go of this notion that Pixelborn is Lorcana, which it isn't. Have a great life. Til the next time I run into you in the comments...
Sad day. I have a set 4 case coming soon as well and had the exact same thought "Do I even open those boxes?". Without getting in the reps online against strong players, and without understanding the evolving meta, I'm far less likely to participate in any competitive events where I will have almost no practices ahead of time in comparison to now.
I would honestly just sell the case tbh.
Everyone will be in the same boat. I actually like that the Meta will move slower without pixelborn. I think it will result in a larger variety of decks.
@@nebnesnah there's plenty of variety. There always has been. Moat players just take the easy road. That will still be the case moving forward. This actually makes the meta stagnate more, because players like myself, who are all too willing to experiment, can't do so easily anymore.
I think a lot of people have forgotten that Lorcana is a paper TCG first and foremost.
Probably because it was impossible to get any during the first 2 sets due to very poor planning on RB’s part?
@@swrodgonit wasn’t poor planning. It’s basic business. It’s far better for companies to underproduce and sell out, than overproduce and have stock clogging up shelves (which ticks off retailers and results in no further orders being made)
The point is everyone acts like pixelborn was the end all be all of Lorcana, when the creator said they’d get shut down from day one
Not that I play yugioh but even they had dueling network to test.
Not at the games launch
Agreed, there is no real digital footprint without Pixelborn and this is a huge misstep.
What paper TCG ever launched with an online client at the same time?
I mean the big 3 (mtg, ygo, Pokemon) launched in the 90s, so yeah they didn’t launch initially with it since pc games in general weren’t really a thing, especially online multiplayer in the nascent days of the internet. MTG released an online game by the end of the decade though, Pokemon had a GB game and followed it up with an online one in the 00s, and YGO had a new GB/GBA game yearly like madden football for the longest time before shifting to just online games. All 3 still are thriving.
@@swrodgonso you gave examples of games that got clients eventually, just like how Lorcana will more than likely get one eventually.
But I ask again, what modern TCG has launched with a digital client at the same time as the paper game?
It is crazy they are shutting it down. I really believe that pixelborn has helped turn Lorcana into what it is.
Fully agree with all your points.
Can you link wherever we can petition against this decision?
DEIsny strikes again
Pixelborn sucks ass anyway.
I always loved redrawing the exact cards I just mulliganed away
gets people to go outside now! lfg
I hope you and everyone else quits so I can easily win that 70K Mickey! XD
I think Disney and Ravensburg need to give us an alternative or keep pixelborn open until one is available.
Low blow to the community. This is so good for my kid to get reps and learn the cards. You’re absolutely right. They should have embraced it, not turned it away
Hahahahaahahah. GOOD. Fucking high dollar promo cards and the sharks they attracted have already ruined this game. Shut down the online. Shut down the uber expensive promo cards. Shut down the reselling shark players that show up to every tourney to win as many of the cards they can and get back to what this was intended to be….a casual game all fans can play collect and enjoy.
Happy day indeed
You realize that isn’t ever going to happen, RB is hosting competitive events, people will always pay to win. If you want casual do shift leader or something.
Yeah, you're clearly new to card games. 🤣
You clearly want the game to die.
I want the hogging and scalping of high end promos by a few players to stop. Didnt we already see a well known streamer get caught cheating in ATL?
That’s what happens when you attach high dollar prizes to few handful of promo cards that too many cant get.
Limit the prizes to 1 copy per person.
@@qcmohawks1 some people cheat, because some people suck. You can't really do anything to stop it. In fact, it typically works out that the more that you try to stop people who would cheat, the worse it gets for the average non-cheater. This isn't exclusive to card games either. It's just human nature as sad as that is.
As for the limit 1 per person idea, it sounds great in theory, but it's simply too hard to enforce. At the Atlanta tournament that you mention, it was a singular event, so players would have only been getting one promo per placement level to begin with. I can only assume that you mean the Stitch Enchanted when you mention this.
With regards to the Enchanted Stitch, Ravensburger isn't going to be doing some network of registered LGSs that then have a database of players by player number. It's too much additional work, with no compensation, for all involved at every step of the process. Short of making every tournament player register for a system like this, there really isn't any way to stop any player who wants to from going to different stores to attempt to win multiple prizes.