Shell taught us to always walk the line before startup. The whole line. You couldn't assume anything. All valves in the system had to have their status checked. Also, any Non-routine work resulted in a JSA and a permit. It's a terrible accident.
and the real worst part of this is that no matter who the refinery is owned by (DuPont, Exxon, BP, shell or etc.), they are not willing to pay the families of the people killed because they will claim it was their fault and no way the refinery that caused it. even thought that refineries at the cause of all the deaths because they are badly designed and once they are put online, they are never shut down to do proper repair work to the system.
Around sept. of 2003 my uncle ( Gary Otis Spradlin ) was killed at this same plant. I never did understand exactly what happen but the more of these videos I watch I kinda get an idea on how dangerous these plants can be. sad times those were.
At 5:18, the methyl mercaptan feed valve was closed and the feed pump recirculated the reactant. How did the methyl mercaptan get through the feed valve and into the vent system?
There was a valve left open between the mercaptan feed line and the vent header while the feed pump was running. When the blockage in the line thawed and liquefied it allowed the feed to freely flow into and therefore fill the vent system. Operators had been monitoring the pressures with local gauges, if no one was watching there would be no way to know if and when the blockage cleared.
So shouldn't safety be number 1 then? I know they are a huge company making billions of dollars. So why is safety so low on there list? I get they work with dangerous chemicals but that doesn't mean people need to die all the time. No ones life is worth any amount of money
Because they're a "huge fucking company". Companies like that don't make products, they make money and despite what they will say, safety is and never will be priority number one. Big companies make poor decisions regarding safety (and other things) on a daily basis just to try and squeeze that last dollar out of the installations and people. When something happens the management layers quickly focus all their efforts onto finding every possible document to proove the plebs (operators, maintenance staff, etc) were at fault. That usually is the case, however it is more often than not paired with multiple other factors. In this particular video, I heard bad design allowed liquids to accumulate in lower points in the system. This probably caused a lot of trouble for the workforce and I'm pretty sure they have made numerous complaints about it. Fixing the design however was probably found too costly and unnecessary by some of the pencil warriors. (I could be wrong in this particular case since I have no other knowledge about it besides this video, it's just an example of how things like this often go down) I work at big companies too and I won't let anyone pressure me regarding safety, when I think it's unsafe or don't agree with their way of handling safety, well so be it, the job's over. I don't care how much it costs them because I'm not working, either hear my side of the story and be willing to discuss the issues I have or find someone else to shovel your shit. This is MY safety and nothing is worth taking more risks than necessary.
This video seemed to be more rushed than the previous CSB videos, I feel like the slower, more methodical style of narration suits these videos better.
Methyl mercaptan, one of the main stink components of farts. Those poor men died a very stinky death, basically industrially farted to death. Any bets on their funerals being closed casket?
irgski, you must be one of the idiots who can't comprehend system operation but proceed anyway. You know, like the idiots who killed these four workers.
One of the Operators was a old friend....The funeral for him and his brother was very sad. You are missed Robert T.
RIP
Ricky Ricky - Rest in peace. Very sad.
sorry for the lost brotha.
Guess he should of closed the water valve
Do you want a star in the forehead for being his friend?
In a massive chemical plant, you can't be opening and closing valves and forgetting about them. This was insanely irresponsible.
Shell taught us to always walk the line before startup. The whole line. You couldn't assume anything. All valves in the system had to have their status checked. Also, any Non-routine work resulted in a JSA and a permit. It's a terrible accident.
and the real worst part of this is that no matter who the refinery is owned by (DuPont, Exxon, BP, shell or etc.), they are not willing to pay the families of the people killed because they will claim it was their fault and no way the refinery that caused it. even thought that refineries at the cause of all the deaths because they are badly designed and once they are put online, they are never shut down to do proper repair work to the system.
Please lets know what animation software used, its wonderful great to csb
I feel a lot better after I hear the recommendations that are usually in these videos, but this one doesn't have any, so it ends on a really low note.
Jason Wilkins I'm sure there's still a lot to be learned here regardless! Which is basically don't do it like this lol
dont forget to turn the pump off and walk away.
Don't leave the hoses off or on for long periods of time unattended
Don't work in a chemical plant that produces toxic substances that can kill you if you are ever exposed for a fraction of a second.
@Jason Wilkins, this is a cut from a longer video that does have the recommendations: th-cam.com/video/ISNGimMXL7M/w-d-xo.html
Around sept. of 2003 my uncle ( Gary Otis Spradlin ) was killed at this same plant. I never did understand exactly what happen but the more of these videos I watch I kinda get an idea on how dangerous these plants can be. sad times those were.
For him being your Uncle you seem to not know your facts. Gary worked and died at EXXON.....not DuPont. Not "this same plant"
this is almost exactly the same as the Bhopal disaster
exactly
phil no Appears that DuPont hasn’t learned any lessons.
You are right, but Bhopal disaster was mainly due to chain of over ride the safety systems and short cuts in the line flushing
you are of course correct
My deepest acknowldegements for those who handle this nasty stuff!!!
At 5:18, the methyl mercaptan feed valve was closed and the feed pump recirculated the reactant. How did the methyl mercaptan get through the feed valve and into the vent system?
There was a valve left open between the mercaptan feed line and the vent header while the feed pump was running. When the blockage in the line thawed and liquefied it allowed the feed to freely flow into and therefore fill the vent system. Operators had been monitoring the pressures with local gauges, if no one was watching there would be no way to know if and when the blockage cleared.
This is why I always take my time at work, I'd hate to leave a valve open or pump running and cause a disaster.
That's just like what happened in Bhopal, India. Water entered the MIC storage tank as a result of line flushing without being isolated first.
lets take a break
I bet ya they didn't have a lot of mosquito that year
joseph-mario pelerin or birds or frogs , fucking hilarious .
no solution? whats up with that?
Why does DuPont have some many Incidents that lends to deaths?
Because they're a huge fucking company that manufacturers a lot of dangerous chemicals making modern day civilization possible.
So shouldn't safety be number 1 then? I know they are a huge company making billions of dollars. So why is safety so low on there list? I get they work with dangerous chemicals but that doesn't mean people need to die all the time. No ones life is worth any amount of money
I'll get back to you!
Because they're a "huge fucking company". Companies like that don't make products, they make money and despite what they will say, safety is and never will be priority number one. Big companies make poor decisions regarding safety (and other things) on a daily basis just to try and squeeze that last dollar out of the installations and people.
When something happens the management layers quickly focus all their efforts onto finding every possible document to proove the plebs (operators, maintenance staff, etc) were at fault. That usually is the case, however it is more often than not paired with multiple other factors.
In this particular video, I heard bad design allowed liquids to accumulate in lower points in the system. This probably caused a lot of trouble for the workforce and I'm pretty sure they have made numerous complaints about it. Fixing the design however was probably found too costly and unnecessary by some of the pencil warriors.
(I could be wrong in this particular case since I have no other knowledge about it besides this video, it's just an example of how things like this often go down)
I work at big companies too and I won't let anyone pressure me regarding safety, when I think it's unsafe or don't agree with their way of handling safety, well so be it, the job's over. I don't care how much it costs them because I'm not working, either hear my side of the story and be willing to discuss the issues I have or find someone else to shovel your shit. This is MY safety and nothing is worth taking more risks than necessary.
This video seemed to be more rushed than the previous CSB videos, I feel like the slower, more methodical style of narration suits these videos better.
there is one on their youtube channel this one is a condensed version
@@ROMSradio good to know. TBH I was expecting the part that goes through the investigation to be after the video simulation part.
This is the first video I've seen with music... it sucks.
Why hasn't Dupont been sued out of business? They should be in prison for murder and sued out of existence
voitdive fuck you bitch
This was the employees fault… human error
They shoulda used Drano pipe cleaner! That woulda cleared it up lickity split!
Methyl mercaptan or, using IUPAC nomenclature, methane thiol...
Methyl mercaptan, one of the main stink components of farts. Those poor men died a very stinky death, basically industrially farted to death.
Any bets on their funerals being closed casket?
TaintedMojo No but yours will be
AmnScottNN hush, the adults are talking here.
TaintedMojo Says the 12 year old, level 2 Troll
Ermahgerd! Ther mether mercatpern!
these videos are overly complicated. im glad the newer ones arent
Original video: th-cam.com/video/pbFzuS8Bdhw/w-d-xo.html
good to see our hard earned tax dollars going towards these nice animations.
irgski shut the fuck up
They're not just for the public to watch ya know! It's called education to help prevent future accidents like this!
irgski, you must be one of the idiots who can't comprehend system operation but proceed anyway. You know, like the idiots who killed these four workers.
irgski " ignorance is bliss " you must be one blissful " contard "
What an ignorant tard...