My boss uses the steel version of this lock on his trailers and someone came one night with a pipe wrench and twisted the lock until it just broke the little loops off the trailer door and they took all the mowers and shit. We also had a ball hitch lock but they just unbolted the trailer's tongue and then bolted a new one on and drove away with the trailer. Another time we were doing someone's property and we were all in the backyard and the supervisor left the truck running with the doors open and windows down and the whole truck and trailer were stolen with all of our phones and backpacks still inside it. I think I need a new job.
dahveed284 Except for the fact that you don't see videos of him struggling to get into a lock, or not getting into a lock. So there's not much to compare.
Bad idea. Sometimes he'll take a few minutes to pick a lock he can destructively open in seconds. Like the Chinese alarm lock (Videos 505 [2:30 pick] and 507 [
@@soyderiverdeliverybeaver8941 I mean he'll have a 30 minute video of a lock he cannot pick. Must be a real quality lock right? Then 3 days later he'll show you can freeze the back with an ice cube and it opens automagically.
@@Fernandocruz-bh8ci Si vieras sus demás vídeos verías que sabe usar las ganzuas perfectamente. Aquí está criticando que el candado está hecho de zinc y que a diferencia de modelos anteriores le quitaron las barras de acero con las que lo hacían antes y ahora hasta con un simple soplete se puede abrir en menos de dos minutos. Infórmate bien antes de criticar.
Funnily enough... Cheese might genuinely be far better at resisting this type of attack. I remember seeing a video of a guy demonstrating how some cheese on toast could resist a thermal Lance far better than thick steel! Will see if I can find the video. Edit: can't find a video, but if anyone else can find it, or remembers seeing the demonstration (I think it was on an old UK TV show) I'd love to find the video of it.
The reason these locks have gone down in quality is because Master Lock purchased, American Lock several years back. Much of the American line is junk, unless you can get your hands on original American Locks before they were bought out.
Therocketman321 My Dad has one of these, I purchased my business 26 years ago. He got his AL2K about the same time. I'll look at it, and see if it's the same construction.
What if we sent you a "real steel" lock for you to test out the idea of getting the spring pins to come out with some sort of a hammer technique. We also use a spring pin, but nothing as crummy as what you see there from Master/American. Our pins are a stainless steel rolled pin that is pretty close to solid (but obviously not solid). I think the viewers would be interested... what do you think?
I'm definitely happy to try, but if the pins are beefier that the ones in this AL, then I'm skeptical that I'd succeed. I give myself less than even odds on the AL... the pins are thin, but still tempered steel! On a better build lock, my chances are probably slim.
It would be interesting to see a decibel reader on screen during attacks. I think the noise of this attack would put a lot of thieves off, but also it's just a nice touch to see.
I found an unbranded lock like this at menards for $10 but it appears to be much sturdier. It's milled out of something magnetic with a 3/8 inch shackle and has two solid pins to lock it in place. It came with a 6 pin core having several spools and I haven't been able to pick it yet. I bought it for practice because I figured it would be easy for a beginner lol.
Sounds like the body is mild steel. Try scratching it with a file: If the file bites in and cuts the metal easily it's a soft steel (therefore probably mild) and if it skates over the surface and has difficulty biting in it's hardened steel.
@@heated1333 Well, I did specify 'physical security', which as we refer to it, generally means access control. As far as 'locks and bars' goes, even the crappiest lock, is probably tougher than what its attached to - like putting a $50 padlock, on $2 hasp, on a wood plank shed.
@@springbloom5940 aiight I feel that, access control sounds like the correct term! I'm just not a regular so you said physical security and I think a wall lol. It's the trump getting to me I guess. Point makes sense though.
He hasn't been able to get into the Bowley locks yet. IMHO the easiest way through one of them is to go through a wall or completely break down a door. BTW people if you are relying on a lock that you think is secure think about the next point in the system, the locks are generally hooked into a plate that has 1/2 inch long screws into a piece of 3/4 inch pine door frame. That is the next weak point pull those little screws out and get some that are long enough to go ALL the way into the stud behind the door and are thick enough to put up some resistance. That means you probably need to put one under the plate as well. You also need to pull out at least one screw in each side of each hinge and replace it with a 3 inch on the door side and something long enough to get into the stud on the frame side. Again those screws are 1/2 inch into a piece of 3/4 inch pine on most modern construction over the last 50 years. Securing something is always about looking for the next weak point in the system.
a good design would be a tough lock with a barrel with an extra mechanism that detects picks and jams them in the lock,a key never gets the pin sequence wrong so the minute that happens dead pins fire out and jam anything in place.
@@VentShop For this reason on my shed I drilled through the door and used bolts and washers into a simple piece of snips cut biscuit tin also with pre drilled holes about twice the size of the hasp to spread the surface area, not unbeatable but it stops the clasp being removed in seconds.
It seems to me that those roll pins could be located with a magnet, enabling a drill and pull attack. Drill 2 holes and pull the pins out the front. That might be fast, quiet and not produce a bright light.
A blow torch flame isn't particularly bright though, easily drowned out by other lights in the kinds of places that you'd see these puck locks, same goes for the noise, is it a blow torch, or an HVAC blower kicking on? A drill on the other hand, that's a more distinct sound.
In the future could you use a IR thermometer to get the starting temperature of the lock and of the room? How hot did that vice get? I wonder if lock had been sitting in the sun all day how time would that save getting it up to the melting point.
We’ve had this lock for our house gate for more than 10 years already. I think the look of the look itself makes it the least target for thieves. But of course for someone like you, easypeasy.
I like how you approached this lock by choosing a different angle other than brute force. It’s very intimidating looking but you saw through that and found it’s weak point. From the pic I initially thought it was a Ramset hole. Nice job
The last time I saw a lock like that. It was on a metal cage that the keep propane canisters in. It was replaced with a better lock. When they caught someone trying to pry it off with a pry bar.
LPL no criticism just an FYI. From someone who has used a torch as a professional you could have cut your time by pulling the torch away a little. The hottest part of the flame is approximately 1/8” from the end of the flame where it comes to a point. Try that next time and you’ll find it quicker. Love your channel by the way.
Yup ,got one off with a simple blow torch. Was a puddle when done,melting the lock off was way cheaper than the locksmith at my friends Verizon store 🤣 tossed one of those in a gallon of acid once & a few hours later it was literally a chrome plated foil & the shackle & parts 😳
One minute, thirty seven seconds, precisely what I got too. Although, if you start timing from the exact moment that the wire touches the cylinder, it still only took exactly two minutes. As soon as I saw that first bit of orange flash above the R and I, it was only a matter of a few seconds until that lock was done in.
Ya, if this took thirty minutes to do, I would be ok with the lock, But this was very easy in a very short time frame. What a shame they cut corners like that.
Acetylene torches are for much more than soldering and brazing.. The HVAC torch handles normally fit CUTTING torch heads. They are referred to as combination torches.. Against a torch only a stainless steel lock body males cutting inconvenient. (ceramic inserts would help it live longer) would offer some delay, and there is a little known method of cutting stainless with a torch called "flux cutting" (which doesn't use flux, I found it in an old Oxweld acetylene welding book. You can feed ordinary steel rod into the area you wish to cut so the preheat flame melts both then when you hit the cutting oxygen valve they blend producing a cut. I'll give that a shot on some scrap one day.
Would the original first generation American lock with the steel pins before master lock bought them still be this easy and quick or would the steel pins interact with the heat in a different way especially with solid steel locking pins instead of roll pins?
So I guess the similar puck lock from Harbor Freight for $10 will probably melt in half the time except a magnet will stick to it so it must have some iron mixed into the pot metal that it's made out of.
I’m interested since you have the score that you’ve already bothered to melt if you would take some meuratic acid (HCI) which can be bought it basically any hardware store. And spray on it. That type of acid should be able to dissolve zinc, I’m just interested to see how fast it would do so. I know it will vaporize a zinc penny in just a few seconds.
Can you make a video picking this lock? I have it but mine I covered it on steel, and i always thought I was safe, until I start watching your videos. My particular lock is in a position pretty uncomfortable to pick, but that hasn't stopped people from trying
The keys for this lock are also the same across a lot of them. At work we had 4 of them on the trailer and the keys for 2 were the same and they were also the same as the locks on the clothing donation bins too. Never really tried the key on anything else, but I'm sure they're all just as bad if I had 3/6 locks keyed the same.
Now just get a spy pen torch that concentrates the flame in a small spot and you'll be through it in 30 seconds. There is no need to move the torch around on the face of the metal. The metal would have melted 15-30 seconds faster had you concentrated your fire.
i used to drill through them right to the lock mechanisms on gas station air machines..it would take me up to 5 hoiurs sometimes but the time was wekll worth it as some air machines hold $800 in quarters sometimes!!! i was making good money back then,almost a $1,000 a day.Now they wlding a 1" thick steel plate on front so it cant be drilled through..im thinking of using a plasma torch but somebody might notice that lol..
I'm 7 months late, but you could shave some of time off this by using MAPP gas instead of standard propane. It burns a few hundred degrees hotter. But use it in well ventilated area it produces carbon monoxide instead of CO2.
I doubt it. It has the flame temp, but I doubt it's capable of delivering heat faster than this massive lock can dissipate it. I'd guess it would reach an temp equilibrium somewhere south of the melting point.
What type of torch tip did you use?? And propane/mapp?? Just to get a better idea cause you light the thing with an ignitor for an actual oxyacetylene cutting torch... Could you imagine had you been using an actual cutting torch. Be like falling asleep with a candle burning and waking up and there is just a big puddle/mess..
Most Locks like my father used to tell me only keep the honest people out. The other thing that most of these videos overlook or rarely talk about is the hasp, loop, chin Etc... you are attaching your lock to which is the next likely place thieves try to brake if they can't brake or pick the lock.
Absolutely Awesome video ! Absolutely Disgusting That they Don't make a " Lock out of All steel at a Minimum. You can tell it's " ALL " About profits & nothing to do with Security !!! Absolutely Disgusting , They should be Sued !
OcRefrigeration , Hvac & Electrical Video's. Even Assa-Abloy makes their cheaper models from weaker metals, usually brass or bronze, not zink or magnesium.
Puck locks are usually placed on bar locks for enclosed trailers. They can angle grind the bar lock in less than 2 mins with no skill. Most angle grinders are battery operated these days. They don't even need an extension cord or power outlet. $60 at home depot and they can steal most of your stuff in a few minutes. The 2nd amendment is beautiful!!!
Y'know, I don't love that it's made of zinc but I wonder if you've accidentally been unfair to it in this case. In use it is going to be likely resting in a steel hasp and against a steel door which is going to offer a much larger contact area, especially against the weak spot on the back that this attack targeted, than the tiny points of contact provided by the vice and therefore the effectively unlimited thermal mass of the door and hasp is going to come into play. I'd be curious if it's enough to make this attack significantly slower or even impractical. I know I've had soldering become impossible because of simple improper heatsink placement.
map gas or propane.. because if that was propane you could probably get down to less than a min with map gas.. or a few seconds with oxy acetylene torch.. which i do keep on my truck
4mm thick you say i bet it would take even less time if you started by drilling a whole and let the flame in to the body of the lock a lot more surfce area
So which is faster the noisy torch or quiet picking? Also let’s not forget if you possess the knowledge of where to torch the lock you’re clearly savvy enough to pick it. If it’s cost the torch and bottle is by far more costly then a pick but the skill to use a torch is by far less but then again you’re assuming either they will get lucky and find the weak spot or be savvy and if savvy as already stated they could pick it. After seeing this (btw awesome to watch) I feel yes the quality is low but so is the cost and unless you’re serious about security and up the core to something formidable then upping the body makes little sense to me. I so appreciate your videos, each and everyone is outstanding! My fav for sure was coq and beaver vid OMG have I had a blast playing with that video. Keep up the excellent work sir!
ameunier41 Agreed! So a couple of notes, one that the lock isn’t always pointed down but I would concern that most of the time it is found in that orientation. Two there also has not been an accounting for the rest of the hasp to act like a heat sink. I don’t have the experience with this style of lock to say what’s the Eat way to get in so I’m sticking to observations based on the video.
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My boss uses the steel version of this lock on his trailers and someone came one night with a pipe wrench and twisted the lock until it just broke the little loops off the trailer door and they took all the mowers and shit. We also had a ball hitch lock but they just unbolted the trailer's tongue and then bolted a new one on and drove away with the trailer. Another time we were doing someone's property and we were all in the backyard and the supervisor left the truck running with the doors open and windows down and the whole truck and trailer were stolen with all of our phones and backpacks still inside it. I think I need a new job.
oh,i remember that trailer lol..
Catch them in the act next time and call the police? There are GPS tags that work work nicely; a 1911 might work pretty well, too.
I second the GPS tag. If you can't afford that- a Tile is the next best thing.
Both apple and android have a find-my-phone feature; you could have tracked the thief to within a few meters.
@@sagemeline "As a thief deterrent, I like to use padlocks made by Smith & Wesson"
I judge the quality of a lock by how long the video is of you opening it.
dahveed284 Except for the fact that you don't see videos of him struggling to get into a lock, or not getting into a lock. So there's not much to compare.
Should have LockPickingLawyer ratings of:
*2 minute video including explanation* to *15 minute video with the ramset gun*
Bad idea. Sometimes he'll take a few minutes to pick a lock he can destructively open in seconds. Like the Chinese alarm lock (Videos 505 [2:30 pick] and 507 [
@@RipleySawzen those disclaim "bypass" or "destroyed" tho, so its obvious
@@soyderiverdeliverybeaver8941 I mean he'll have a 30 minute video of a lock he cannot pick. Must be a real quality lock right? Then 3 days later he'll show you can freeze the back with an ice cube and it opens automagically.
May as well make it out of cheese.
At least it would be tasty. 😋
Es una estupidez la manera en que muestras el abrir un candado destruyéndolo aprende a saber usar las ganzuas y no a reventarlos imbécil que eres
Hardened parmigiano reggiano. Ultimate security.
@@Fernandocruz-bh8ci Si vieras sus demás vídeos verías que sabe usar las ganzuas perfectamente. Aquí está criticando que el candado está hecho de zinc y que a diferencia de modelos anteriores le quitaron las barras de acero con las que lo hacían antes y ahora hasta con un simple soplete se puede abrir en menos de dos minutos. Infórmate bien antes de criticar.
Funnily enough... Cheese might genuinely be far better at resisting this type of attack. I remember seeing a video of a guy demonstrating how some cheese on toast could resist a thermal Lance far better than thick steel! Will see if I can find the video.
Edit: can't find a video, but if anyone else can find it, or remembers seeing the demonstration (I think it was on an old UK TV show) I'd love to find the video of it.
The reason these locks have gone down in quality is because Master Lock purchased, American Lock several years back. Much of the American line is junk, unless you can get your hands on original American Locks before they were bought out.
Therocketman321 My Dad has one of these, I purchased my business 26 years ago. He got his AL2K about the same time. I'll look at it, and see if it's the same construction.
So, Adam, is it the same make?
@@adamackels73 Yes do reply, us padlockians, locksmiths and lockpickers are interested to know.🤔😎
@@adamackels73 ...?
@@adamackels73 R.I.P. Adam
Dude, 3 words: You Are Awesome. This has to be one of the most interesting channels on TH-cam. I really look forward to new Vids.
Thanks. 😁
Yes
What if we sent you a "real steel" lock for you to test out the idea of getting the spring pins to come out with some sort of a hammer technique. We also use a spring pin, but nothing as crummy as what you see there from Master/American. Our pins are a stainless steel rolled pin that is pretty close to solid (but obviously not solid). I think the viewers would be interested... what do you think?
I'm definitely happy to try, but if the pins are beefier that the ones in this AL, then I'm skeptical that I'd succeed. I give myself less than even odds on the AL... the pins are thin, but still tempered steel! On a better build lock, my chances are probably slim.
Send it to him
did you send it?
He could probably still pick it
Do it!
It would be interesting to see a decibel reader on screen during attacks. I think the noise of this attack would put a lot of thieves off, but also it's just a nice touch to see.
Acetylene would have done it a lot faster
Happy to live in a place where stuff rarely gets stolen. Even if it's not locked. =D
I found an unbranded lock like this at menards for $10 but it appears to be much sturdier. It's milled out of something magnetic with a 3/8 inch shackle and has two solid pins to lock it in place. It came with a 6 pin core having several spools and I haven't been able to pick it yet. I bought it for practice because I figured it would be easy for a beginner lol.
Sounds like the body is mild steel. Try scratching it with a file: If the file bites in and cuts the metal easily it's a soft steel (therefore probably mild) and if it skates over the surface and has difficulty biting in it's hardened steel.
Manufactured only to make you feel secure!
Thats 99% of physical security measures.
If somebody melts the lock to get into my shed, damn, they can have the shovels and rakes!
@@springbloom5940 security measures is a broad term there my dude.
Bullet vests, Wall of China, helmet.
If you just mean locks and bars I get it.
@@heated1333
Well, I did specify 'physical security', which as we refer to it, generally means access control. As far as 'locks and bars' goes, even the crappiest lock, is probably tougher than what its attached to - like putting a $50 padlock, on $2 hasp, on a wood plank shed.
@@springbloom5940 aiight I feel that, access control sounds like the correct term! I'm just not a regular so you said physical security and I think a wall lol.
It's the trump getting to me I guess.
Point makes sense though.
How drill resistant is cast Zinc? I would think a Home Depot drill bit in a Black & Decker battery powered drill would cut through it like balsa wood.
Tex Patriot Let me put it this way. Zink and drill resistant does not belong in same sentence.
No challenge at all to drill. ☹️
like butter.
@@XtreeM_FaiL what's a *zink* ?
@@mwilliamshs This is the German word for zinc.
You should design a lock that you cant defeat.
I dont think there could be one. Its just matter of time.
Impossible. By inventing it he already knows how to beat it.
He hasn't been able to get into the Bowley locks yet. IMHO the easiest way through one of them is to go through a wall or completely break down a door.
BTW people if you are relying on a lock that you think is secure think about the next point in the system, the locks are generally hooked into a plate that has 1/2 inch long screws into a piece of 3/4 inch pine door frame. That is the next weak point pull those little screws out and get some that are long enough to go ALL the way into the stud behind the door and are thick enough to put up some resistance. That means you probably need to put one under the plate as well. You also need to pull out at least one screw in each side of each hinge and replace it with a 3 inch on the door side and something long enough to get into the stud on the frame side. Again those screws are 1/2 inch into a piece of 3/4 inch pine on most modern construction over the last 50 years.
Securing something is always about looking for the next weak point in the system.
a good design would be a tough lock with a barrel with an extra mechanism that detects picks and jams them in the lock,a key never gets the pin sequence wrong so the minute that happens dead pins fire out and jam anything in place.
@@VentShop For this reason on my shed I drilled through the door and used bolts and washers into a simple piece of snips cut biscuit tin also with pre drilled holes about twice the size of the hasp to spread the surface area, not unbeatable but it stops the clasp being removed in seconds.
Strongest part of the lock is that nickel/chrome plating. :D
It might be! 😳
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It seems to me that those roll pins could be located with a magnet, enabling a drill and pull attack. Drill 2 holes and pull the pins out the front. That might be fast, quiet and not produce a bright light.
A blow torch flame isn't particularly bright though, easily drowned out by other lights in the kinds of places that you'd see these puck locks, same goes for the noise, is it a blow torch, or an HVAC blower kicking on? A drill on the other hand, that's a more distinct sound.
David Galbraith sounds like sandpaper across your ear drums. With zinc anyway.
I could open this with a lit fart.
Zinc is pretty reactive with Hydrochloric Acid.....hmmmm might be able to open that without having to stand there with a torch...
SmellyFish Pooh uhhhh no it isnt
It would take a considerable amount of HCl to disolve that much zinc
Keelan Barrette How many standard retail bottles of the usual concentration?
@@keelanbarrette529 that completely depends on the concentration.
In the future could you use a IR thermometer to get the starting temperature of the lock and of the room?
How hot did that vice get? I wonder if lock had been sitting in the sun all day how time would that save getting it up to the melting point.
You should measure the temp of the lock body when melting locks open! That'd just be an extra aspect of how viable this is and interesting.
We’ve had this lock for our house gate for more than 10 years already. I think the look of the look itself makes it the least target for thieves. But of course for someone like you, easypeasy.
I like how you approached this lock by choosing a different angle other than brute force. It’s very intimidating looking but you saw through that and found it’s weak point. From the pic I initially thought it was a Ramset hole. Nice job
Burning a hole seems pretty brute force to me
The last time I saw a lock like that. It was on a metal cage that the keep propane canisters in. It was replaced with a better lock. When they caught someone trying to pry it off with a pry bar.
I mean at least they wouldn't try to melt it off in that use
Nothing says "secure" like liquid zinc.
that is the type of locks that many modern soda vending machines use to protect the door
LPL no criticism just an FYI. From someone who has used a torch as a professional you could have cut your time by pulling the torch away a little. The hottest part of the flame is approximately 1/8” from the end of the flame where it comes to a point. Try that next time and you’ll find it quicker. Love your channel by the way.
Yup ,got one off with a simple blow torch. Was a puddle when done,melting the lock off was way cheaper than the locksmith at my friends Verizon store 🤣 tossed one of those in a gallon of acid once & a few hours later it was literally a chrome plated foil & the shackle & parts 😳
This man has the key to the world.
Can you please do one where you apply mercury to the aluminum to dissolve and then shatter the aluminum lock? THANK YOU!! LOVE THE VIDS!!
gallium, and you mean video 593?
The Wicked Witche's lock.----" I'm melting "
I just thought about the wicked witch of the East…” I’m melting, I’m melting” 🤣
Lock makers, quit using cast zinc!
One minute, thirty seven seconds, precisely what I got too. Although, if you start timing from the exact moment that the wire touches the cylinder, it still only took exactly two minutes. As soon as I saw that first bit of orange flash above the R and I, it was only a matter of a few seconds until that lock was done in.
Witch puck lock do you recommend for enclosed trailer doors ? Any lock can be broken but just need to slow the Thieves down from Getting in
Ya, if this took thirty minutes to do, I would be ok with the lock, But this was very easy in a very short time frame. What a shame they cut corners like that.
That would be even faster if one was using an HVAC technician oxygen/acetylene torch (silver soldering).
I think my O/A rig with a #2 tip could burn though that in under 30 seconds
Acetylene torches are for much more than soldering and brazing.. The HVAC torch handles normally fit CUTTING torch heads. They are referred to as combination torches..
Against a torch only a stainless steel lock body males cutting inconvenient. (ceramic inserts would help it live longer) would offer some delay, and there is a little known method of cutting stainless with a torch called "flux cutting" (which doesn't use flux, I found it in an old Oxweld acetylene welding book. You can feed ordinary steel rod into the area you wish to cut so the preheat flame melts both then when you hit the cutting oxygen valve they blend producing a cut. I'll give that a shot on some scrap one day.
IIRC melting zinc is like melting lead: toxic vapors. Best done with ventilation and a respirator mask, fwiw.
That''s what I was thinking. We were warned in welding class about the dangers of galvanized metal.
I thought the same thing. Hope no one tries this at home without the proper precautions.
Seems like the steel pins you talked about older models having probably wouldn't help against this attack, unless I'm missing something.
On a steel body, it aint happening. but on zinc, even steel pins are useless.
Gotta love the fact that someone is making videos teaching people how to break into my shit
security by obscurity is for wankers.
Would the original first generation American lock with the steel pins before master lock bought them still be this easy and quick or would the steel pins interact with the heat in a different way especially with solid steel locking pins instead of roll pins?
So I guess the similar puck lock from Harbor Freight for $10 will probably melt in half the time except a magnet will stick to it so it must have some iron mixed into the pot metal that it's made out of.
honestly if it isn't made of zinc, the keyway is nearly always the weak point on these puck locks unless you add a high security cylinder to it.
Have you ever worked on the ABLOY Protech 2 hardened steel puck lock?. Whats your opinion of that lock.
The American Lock 2010 series model is solid steel.
I’m interested since you have the score that you’ve already bothered to melt if you would take some meuratic acid (HCI) which can be bought it basically any hardware store. And spray on it.
That type of acid should be able to dissolve zinc, I’m just interested to see how fast it would do so. I know it will vaporize a zinc penny in just a few seconds.
Is there a Puck you actually do like?
What is you opinion of the best lock for a cargo trailer ramp door?
Vid. Request. What about 2 or 3 road flares or ocean type flares whichever burns hotter???
Can you make a video picking this lock? I have it but mine I covered it on steel, and i always thought I was safe, until I start watching your videos. My particular lock is in a position pretty uncomfortable to pick, but that hasn't stopped people from trying
now we should make locks out of tungsten
The keys for this lock are also the same across a lot of them. At work we had 4 of them on the trailer and the keys for 2 were the same and they were also the same as the locks on the clothing donation bins too. Never really tried the key on anything else, but I'm sure they're all just as bad if I had 3/6 locks keyed the same.
nottacop Unless your boss paid extra for identical keying.
Their next version made of plywood took twice the time to get open.
As a plumber, I couldn’t help but wonder what kind of torch you were using and what type of gas. MAP or propane?
Well you're certainly going to attract some attention
Great it work thanks for your help 👍
Mapp gas is what u want bro. The yellow bottle is mapp!! Your kidding around with that bottle of slow motion!
Now just get a spy pen torch that concentrates the flame in a small spot and you'll be through it in 30 seconds. There is no need to move the torch around on the face of the metal. The metal would have melted 15-30 seconds faster had you concentrated your fire.
Watching that metal melt reminded me of marshmallows
i used to drill through them right to the lock mechanisms on gas station air machines..it would take me up to 5 hoiurs sometimes but the time was wekll worth it as some air machines hold $800 in quarters sometimes!!! i was making good money back then,almost a $1,000 a day.Now they wlding a 1" thick steel plate on front so it cant be drilled through..im thinking of using a plasma torch but somebody might notice that lol..
Is the lock body and pick resistance of the core on the American Lock A2010 any good?
What a great video buddy .thanks for sharing. 🌟⭐🌟⭐🌟😎
Thanks.
Just propane ! Wow! This is the same style I use on my trailer. It's a trimax looks identical.
The TriMax puck lock I have is made of steel. Easy to pick, but not meltable like the zinc locks.
I like using zinc for anthill castings because it melts easy and is cheaper
It's a zinc puc lock, or Oh Puc, it's Zinc. 😂🤣😃😅😆
I'm 7 months late, but you could shave some of time off this by using MAPP gas instead of standard propane. It burns a few hundred degrees hotter. But use it in well ventilated area it produces carbon monoxide instead of CO2.
He cleared on twitter that he does use MAPP and has the whole area ventilated very well. It sounded like MAPP as well.
I wonder if a kitchen creme brûlée butane torch will do the same. Way quieter and easier to use/handle.
I doubt it. It has the flame temp, but I doubt it's capable of delivering heat faster than this massive lock can dissipate it. I'd guess it would reach an temp equilibrium somewhere south of the melting point.
What type of torch tip did you use?? And propane/mapp?? Just to get a better idea cause you light the thing with an ignitor for an actual oxyacetylene cutting torch... Could you imagine had you been using an actual cutting torch. Be like falling asleep with a candle burning and waking up and there is just a big puddle/mess..
Another thing to consider is the steel hasp it sits in would also absorb a lot of the heat before the lock gets up to temp.
Your torch can be used more efficiently. The hottest part of the flame is the very tip. Hold it further away from your target
Most Locks like my father used to tell me only keep the honest people out. The other thing that most of these videos overlook or rarely talk about is the hasp, loop, chin Etc... you are attaching your lock to which is the next likely place thieves try to brake if they can't brake or pick the lock.
Just how much more expensive would it be for the lock to be manufactured using steel instead of zinc?
Good grief. I only buy older American locks from before master bought them out.
Little did he knew that he opens those locks in 3 seconds now.
Look, the American is on fire 🔥
Absolutely Awesome video ! Absolutely Disgusting That they Don't make a " Lock out of All steel at a Minimum. You can tell it's " ALL " About profits & nothing to do with Security !!! Absolutely Disgusting , They should be Sued !
OcRefrigeration , Hvac & Electrical Video's. Even Assa-Abloy makes their cheaper models from weaker metals, usually brass or bronze, not zink or magnesium.
Lpl man do I love your channel.
You really so what locks are good an which ones to run from.
Another great video my friend😊😊👍😎👍
the table and the lock look like they have the same texture and I can't get over that
Amazing that it melted that easily.Thanks
My neighbor is gonna hear that torch and bust me , I need something more quiet
LockMeltingLawyer !!!
+1 for slide hammer attack
Puck locks are usually placed on bar locks for enclosed trailers. They can angle grind the bar lock in less than 2 mins with no skill. Most angle grinders are battery operated these days. They don't even need an extension cord or power outlet. $60 at home depot and they can steal most of your stuff in a few minutes. The 2nd amendment is beautiful!!!
Was that a Propane torch or Mapp gas cylinder torch. if it was propane torch , use a mapp gas cylinder torch. entry time would be cut in half.
Y'know, I don't love that it's made of zinc but I wonder if you've accidentally been unfair to it in this case. In use it is going to be likely resting in a steel hasp and against a steel door which is going to offer a much larger contact area, especially against the weak spot on the back that this attack targeted, than the tiny points of contact provided by the vice and therefore the effectively unlimited thermal mass of the door and hasp is going to come into play. I'd be curious if it's enough to make this attack significantly slower or even impractical. I know I've had soldering become impossible because of simple improper heatsink placement.
I know guy that made a mini oxy-acetylene torch . Had to mill most parts . you can put it on a belt. It like 8 pound or so made for his job .
So what would you recommend for a shipping container ?
Always a amazing video Mr.L.P.L
Awesome video brother,thanks for sharing it with us
What kind of torch did you use? Propane? MAP? A MAP torch should be faster, and is common at a hardware store.
map gas or propane.. because if that was propane you could probably get down to less than a min with map gas.. or a few seconds with oxy acetylene torch.. which i do keep on my truck
I had no idea American sold a cast zinc body lock! Shame on them!
It melts my heart seeing this lock melt
Lol no one will suspect a thing seeing a guy take a goddamn blow torch to a lock...
Stay awesome
These companies must hate you for constantly showing them up.
4mm thick you say i bet it would take even less time if you started by drilling a whole and let the flame in to the body of the lock a lot more surfce area
LPL, I use a variety of puck locks to secure my equipment but they are being torched off. Which puck lock/material has the highest heat rating?
Could you freeze it open zinc becomes brittle when cold?
What would your Ramset do to this lock when in the 'holder'?
Hard to say. The normal puck lock hasp guards again most attack vectors.
Is the master lock made out of zinc
nice video
yeah master lock will be putting out a magnesium lock to stop that attack...lol
I mean hey, would you keep trying to get into something if started combusting at thousands of degrees with blinding white light?
@@SeaTurtle1122 i was being sarcastic
Joey Knappenberger ironically it would probably melt the chain lol
would this type of attack set off the fire alarm? if this was inside a warehouse or similar type building?
So which is faster the noisy torch or quiet picking? Also let’s not forget if you possess the knowledge of where to torch the lock you’re clearly savvy enough to pick it. If it’s cost the torch and bottle is by far more costly then a pick but the skill to use a torch is by far less but then again you’re assuming either they will get lucky and find the weak spot or be savvy and if savvy as already stated they could pick it. After seeing this (btw awesome to watch) I feel yes the quality is low but so is the cost and unless you’re serious about security and up the core to something formidable then upping the body makes little sense to me.
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These are probably not that easy to pick considering the way they are placed. Imagine picking it against a wall, the keyhole pointing down.
ameunier41 Agreed! So a couple of notes, one that the lock isn’t always pointed down but I would concern that most of the time it is found in that orientation. Two there also has not been an accounting for the rest of the hasp to act like a heat sink. I don’t have the experience with this style of lock to say what’s the Eat way to get in so I’m sticking to observations based on the video.
Seems to me, this method would work even on one of those with the steel inserts... None of the locations you mentioned would protect this area.
How about the RAMSET gun?