Great video sir! I'm a wrestler and I've studied Wylde about a decade and here's my personal breakdown on his Wrestling section if you're interested. I'm not a weapons guy so some of the terms elude me that carry over from the previos chapter. I focus mostly on Wylde, Parkyns and Godfrey for my unarmed studies. Holds- Catch Hold Collar & Elbow Hold Near Back Waist & Elbow Hold Far Back Waist & Elbow Hold Near Wrist Hold Front Waist & Elbow Hold Neck & Elbow Hold Full Waist Hold Far Wrist Hold Rear Holds Catch Hold- The Leg Sweep Collar & Elbow Hold- The Twist Down The Leg Sweep Near Back Waist & Elbow Hold- The In Turn Backwards The In Turn Forwards The Cross Buttock The Leg Sweep Far Back Waist & Elbow Hold- The Leg Reap The In Turn Backwards The Cross Buttocks Near Wrist Hold- The Elbow Break Right The Elbow Break Left Front Waist & Elbow Hold- The In Turn Backwards The In Turn Forwards The Cross Buttocks The Hitch The Back Lock Neck & Elbow Hold- The Cross Buttocks Full Waist Hold- The Cornish Hug Far Wrist Hold- The Flying Mare The Leg Sweep Rear Holds- The Somersault The Pillory Counters- The Cornish Hug Counter to In Turn The Disengage Counter to Cross Buttock The Chop Counter to All Holds The Palm Counter to All Holds Defenses- The Arm Break Counter to Left Hand Collar Grab & Stiff Arm The Arm Break Counter to Right hand Collar Grab & Stiff Arm
Thanks for your excellent comment and kind word. I think your breakdown is really good. One of the main difficulties with the English wrestling sources is the variety of terms to describe the same technique or action. I like how you've described the moves. Do you tech Wylde's wrestling or study/practice it for yourself? How do you find his method against others? Parkyns is by far the most comprehensive manual. Leyton is fun - especially if leg kicks are your thing. To me, Wylde seems in the middle with his instructions to hook, lock OR kick during certain techniques. Cheers!
@@korg20000bc You're welcome! When I'm in a gi I tend to use a lot of Wyldes stuff because people are unfamiliar with it but there's nothing like kazushi/off balancing so against a high level stand up grappler it's harder to use and not get countered. I organized that list for my personal use based on the order they appear in the text just simplified with modern terms because as you pointed out they can be rather obscure. Him and Parkyns cover a lot of the same stuff but Parkyns expands on it all in more detail, but Parkyns prefers In Holds and Wylde seems to prefer the Out Holds so they talk about them from a different perspective. The Cornish Hug is really just a Side Slam from the Double Underhooks but he says you can use it from Over/Underhooks but it's easier from Double Underhooks because you can go to either side but over/under they can lean out of it easier from the Overhooked side I couldn't ever use Layton's manual without falling on my face lol
I really like Wylde, because he offers swordsmanship with Smallsword and Backsword, as well as staff fighting and his wrestlign chapter. It is a "all in one book" style, which I really like. Great video
Hi Matt, Ryan from Stoccata Burwood here. This was a really informative video as I knew nothing about Wylde. I’m interested in some more in depth videos on his system.
Hi Ryan. I'm glad you found it informative. You're just the type of man I made it for. I am working on more content looking at Wylde's method. Thanks for commenting.
@@korg20000bc So I was looking again at your interpretation of Wylde's quarterstaff and I noticed something. You make the pendant guard by holding the butt of the staff by the right side of your head and let the point hang down and to the left. I'm wondering why you chose to interpret it this way rather than holding the butt by the left side of your head and letting the point hang down and to the right? Also in the raising of the guards you seem to have added a step between the medium and the pendant guards. While I agree that this step seem to make the exercise flow better, doesn't this addition kind of contradict what you said in this video about Wylde being very careful with his wording?
@@Stephen_Curtin Excellent questions! In regards to the stepping my opinion is that Wylde is setting the principle of stepping with the first few movements and we should continue on in this manner through the drill. That is definitely an interpretation- he doesn't say to do this specifically, he doesn't mention it at all. So, my main reason for the step back with hanging guard with the staff drill is that, like you noticed, it flows better. Also, I have found that I most commonly use this guard when I slip a blow. If you look at the part on slipping in my video you can see several examples. Does that make sense? The position of Hanging Guard was something that spent hours and hours trying to work out. The way you describe is definitely more comfortable and looks most like Swetnam's High Guard. It also flows really well. But, Wylde says to slip your hands nearly together when making this guard. This makes the Swetnam-like position really awkward, and it make the other side much more comfortable. Also, Wylde is linking quartstaff to smallsword and broadsword and the Swetnam High Guard doesn't have a single sword equivalent in his system. So, I think it should be the method that is consistent with the rest of his system- a two-handed Hanging Guard rather than something like a two-handed Mountanta with a dropped point. It is awkward and not much fun, and Wylde agrees. Thanks for asking, please let me know if I can clarify further.
@@korg20000bc Thanks for the reply. Yes your reasoning for the added step definitely makes sense. Also I did notice that you used the pendant guard while slipping, but OTOH I would think that a pendant guard on either side would accomplish the same thing here. I don't have access to a 7 foot staff but I have played around a little with a 6 footer and TBH the pendant guard on either side feels awkward when your hands are as close together as Wylde suggests. I can't say if one feels more awkward than the other but perhaps with a longer heavier staff this difference in feeling would become more apparent. I had thought to myself that of the two possible options for pendant guard the one you went with is the one which is closest to the equivalent guard with a broadsword and Wylde does say that his quarterstaff method is derived from those of the broadsword and the smallsword.
@@Stephen_Curtin The staff length certainly makes a difference. Try testing it this way- from your Medium Guard, come to the Hanging Guard on your right side without slipping your hands together- feels fine. Compare it to Hanging Gurard on your left without slipping your hands... big problem. Come to the Hanging Guard on your right with hands slipped together and looking under the butt end of the staff- you almost have the let go with your right hand. Hanging Gurad on the left with hands together lets you still have two hands with a solid grip and look under the butt end of the staff. These are the factors that led to this interpretation. Thanks for your interest in this!
Yeah I always thought it was the best English source and wondered why we mucked around with Swetnam and Silver instead. It's great to see someone bringing it to life.
I've been a fan of this series since publication and i love it. My instructor and i (jr instructor) are now diving full into Wylde. Is there an available copy online of the corrections? I'd love to put the corrections in my own copy to make sure i have his full intention. Thanks for this series once again!
I'm glad you like the videos! Good on you for diving into Wylde. His method and drills get you up to speed in a remarkably short amount of time. There isn't an onlline version of his corrected manual, to my knowledge. Maybe that's a task for me to work at. I'll be sure to let you know the link once i do it. Cheers.
www.the-exiles.org/Manual%20Zach%20Wylde.htm is the most readily available. This does have some transcription errors- nor does it have the corrections by Wylde. Maybe I should do it myself.
@@milesmcinerney5594 A printed version was available on Lulu, you still can find it on amazon: www.amazon.de/English-Master-Defence-Zach-Wylde/dp/1446693708/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=wylde+master+of+defence&qid=1588530595&sr=8-1
yup, "English" Backsword/Broadsword is nothing but the italian rapier heresy, focusing on the cut over the thrust instead of the thrust over the cut, that spread throughout europe in the 16th century, or at the very least, heavily bastardised by it. the spanish seemed immune to the italian style though not the weapon. meyer saw it supplanting the traditional german arts in 1570 and learnt and taught it, and all because everything that came out of italy in those days was the height of fashion, so it was thought better to learn the rapier than to be unfashionable, thus from the shores of England eventually to the steppes of Russia, the hereditary martial arts of europe bacame amongst the first victims of burgeoning globalisation and mens vanity
@@brittakriep2938 not exactly European when China invented them. There’s several modern European martial arts. Greco Roman wrestling, boxing, modern Olympic fencing. Feel free to be ignorant though, you’re only hurting yourself.
@@frankheninja1 : Chinese people assumingly invented Black Powder. But as far as I ( armchair expert) know, they used it mostly as rockets similar to current Fireworks rockets or Congrave rockets of 19th century. Cannons, rifles or pistols, flintlock, wheellock, Percussion or metal cartridges are an european/ US thing. We have in Europe still some folk wrestling Styles ( for example Schwingen/ Hosenlupf in Switzerland or Rangeln in Austria, Southern Tyrol and parts of Bavaria. There is english and french ( Savate) boxing, scandinavian Glima wrestling, russian Sambo, German Accademic fencing, cane fencing ( french ,la canne, Irish Bataidracht, english Bartitsu, polish Palcacy, basque techniques) and Long Sticks ( french baton Francaise, english quarterstaff, portugiese Jago du Pau, italian Bastone a dui mani and. HEMA as reconstruction. I surely have forgotten a lot.
Is the manual available anywhere online for free? I practice Page/stage gladiator broadsword sources and have grown increasingly interested in branching into the other “usual weapons used upon the stage”, including backsword and buckler/dagger, quarterstaff, and boxing/wrestling.
Great video sir! I'm a wrestler and I've studied Wylde about a decade and here's my personal breakdown on his Wrestling section if you're interested. I'm not a weapons guy so some of the terms elude me that carry over from the previos chapter. I focus mostly on Wylde, Parkyns and Godfrey for my unarmed studies.
Holds-
Catch Hold
Collar & Elbow Hold
Near Back Waist & Elbow Hold
Far Back Waist & Elbow Hold
Near Wrist Hold
Front Waist & Elbow Hold
Neck & Elbow Hold
Full Waist Hold
Far Wrist Hold
Rear Holds
Catch Hold-
The Leg Sweep
Collar & Elbow Hold-
The Twist Down
The Leg Sweep
Near Back Waist & Elbow Hold-
The In Turn Backwards
The In Turn Forwards
The Cross Buttock
The Leg Sweep
Far Back Waist & Elbow Hold-
The Leg Reap
The In Turn Backwards
The Cross Buttocks
Near Wrist Hold-
The Elbow Break Right
The Elbow Break Left
Front Waist & Elbow Hold-
The In Turn Backwards
The In Turn Forwards
The Cross Buttocks
The Hitch
The Back Lock
Neck & Elbow Hold-
The Cross Buttocks
Full Waist Hold-
The Cornish Hug
Far Wrist Hold-
The Flying Mare
The Leg Sweep
Rear Holds-
The Somersault
The Pillory
Counters-
The Cornish Hug Counter to In Turn
The Disengage Counter to Cross Buttock
The Chop Counter to All Holds
The Palm Counter to All Holds
Defenses-
The Arm Break Counter to Left Hand Collar Grab & Stiff Arm
The Arm Break Counter to Right hand Collar Grab & Stiff Arm
Thanks for your excellent comment and kind word. I think your breakdown is really good. One of the main difficulties with the English wrestling sources is the variety of terms to describe the same technique or action. I like how you've described the moves.
Do you tech Wylde's wrestling or study/practice it for yourself? How do you find his method against others?
Parkyns is by far the most comprehensive manual. Leyton is fun - especially if leg kicks are your thing. To me, Wylde seems in the middle with his instructions to hook, lock OR kick during certain techniques.
Cheers!
@@korg20000bc You're welcome! When I'm in a gi I tend to use a lot of Wyldes stuff because people are unfamiliar with it but there's nothing like kazushi/off balancing so against a high level stand up grappler it's harder to use and not get countered.
I organized that list for my personal use based on the order they appear in the text just simplified with modern terms because as you pointed out they can be rather obscure.
Him and Parkyns cover a lot of the same stuff but Parkyns expands on it all in more detail, but Parkyns prefers In Holds and Wylde seems to prefer the Out Holds so they talk about them from a different perspective.
The Cornish Hug is really just a Side Slam from the Double Underhooks but he says you can use it from Over/Underhooks but it's easier from Double Underhooks because you can go to either side but over/under they can lean out of it easier from the Overhooked side
I couldn't ever use Layton's manual without falling on my face lol
Fantastic! I can't wait to see the drills for the weapons!
I’m thoroughly enjoying both the content you are covering and your style of delivery. Many thanks. Looking forward to the next one!
Thank you. I will seek not to disappoint you.
I really like Wylde, because he offers swordsmanship with Smallsword and Backsword, as well as staff fighting and his wrestlign chapter. It is a "all in one book" style, which I really like. Great video
I'm wholly of that opinion, too. Thanks for commenting.
Dagger and pistol is missing.
Hi Matt, Ryan from Stoccata Burwood here. This was a really informative video as I knew nothing about Wylde. I’m interested in some more in depth videos on his system.
Hi Ryan. I'm glad you found it informative. You're just the type of man I made it for.
I am working on more content looking at Wylde's method. Thanks for commenting.
Thanks for the video, please keep them coming
Thank you. Watch this space...
More great stuff. Keep up the good work.
Thanks for saying so!
@@korg20000bc So I was looking again at your interpretation of Wylde's quarterstaff and I noticed something. You make the pendant guard by holding the butt of the staff by the right side of your head and let the point hang down and to the left. I'm wondering why you chose to interpret it this way rather than holding the butt by the left side of your head and letting the point hang down and to the right? Also in the raising of the guards you seem to have added a step between the medium and the pendant guards. While I agree that this step seem to make the exercise flow better, doesn't this addition kind of contradict what you said in this video about Wylde being very careful with his wording?
@@Stephen_Curtin Excellent questions!
In regards to the stepping my opinion is that Wylde is setting the principle of stepping with the first few movements and we should continue on in this manner through the drill. That is definitely an interpretation- he doesn't say to do this specifically, he doesn't mention it at all. So, my main reason for the step back with hanging guard with the staff drill is that, like you noticed, it flows better. Also, I have found that I most commonly use this guard when I slip a blow. If you look at the part on slipping in my video you can see several examples. Does that make sense?
The position of Hanging Guard was something that spent hours and hours trying to work out. The way you describe is definitely more comfortable and looks most like Swetnam's High Guard. It also flows really well. But, Wylde says to slip your hands nearly together when making this guard. This makes the Swetnam-like position really awkward, and it make the other side much more comfortable.
Also, Wylde is linking quartstaff to smallsword and broadsword and the Swetnam High Guard doesn't have a single sword equivalent in his system. So, I think it should be the method that is consistent with the rest of his system- a two-handed Hanging Guard rather than something like a two-handed Mountanta with a dropped point. It is awkward and not much fun, and Wylde agrees.
Thanks for asking, please let me know if I can clarify further.
@@korg20000bc Thanks for the reply. Yes your reasoning for the added step definitely makes sense. Also I did notice that you used the pendant guard while slipping, but OTOH I would think that a pendant guard on either side would accomplish the same thing here.
I don't have access to a 7 foot staff but I have played around a little with a 6 footer and TBH the pendant guard on either side feels awkward when your hands are as close together as Wylde suggests. I can't say if one feels more awkward than the other but perhaps with a longer heavier staff this difference in feeling would become more apparent.
I had thought to myself that of the two possible options for pendant guard the one you went with is the one which is closest to the equivalent guard with a broadsword and Wylde does say that his quarterstaff method is derived from those of the broadsword and the smallsword.
@@Stephen_Curtin The staff length certainly makes a difference. Try testing it this way- from your Medium Guard, come to the Hanging Guard on your right side without slipping your hands together- feels fine. Compare it to Hanging Gurard on your left without slipping your hands... big problem.
Come to the Hanging Guard on your right with hands slipped together and looking under the butt end of the staff- you almost have the let go with your right hand. Hanging Gurad on the left with hands together lets you still have two hands with a solid grip and look under the butt end of the staff. These are the factors that led to this interpretation.
Thanks for your interest in this!
Quality work Matt.
Thanks, Stuart.
You're a Wylde Man from waaaaayyyy back.
Yeah I always thought it was the best English source and wondered why we mucked around with Swetnam and Silver instead. It's great to see someone bringing it to life.
@@StuartMcDermid Mucking around with Silver and Swetnam, love it.
I've been a fan of this series since publication and i love it. My instructor and i (jr instructor) are now diving full into Wylde. Is there an available copy online of the corrections? I'd love to put the corrections in my own copy to make sure i have his full intention.
Thanks for this series once again!
I'm glad you like the videos!
Good on you for diving into Wylde.
His method and drills get you up to speed in a remarkably short amount of time.
There isn't an onlline version of his corrected manual, to my knowledge.
Maybe that's a task for me to work at.
I'll be sure to let you know the link once i do it.
Cheers.
@@korg20000bc For what it's worth, I'd be very interested in a corrected version of his manual based on your copy.
What source are the pictures from around 2:30?
Its a Jacques Callot engraving LE DUEL A L'EPEE ET AU POIGNARD.
He did some really great stuff!
@Stoccata - was Zachary Wylde a prize fighter?
Not that we know of.
He certainly didn't mention it himself.
where can i get a good copy of wyldes manual these days?
www.the-exiles.org/Manual%20Zach%20Wylde.htm is the most readily available. This does have some transcription errors- nor does it have the corrections by Wylde.
Maybe I should do it myself.
@@korg20000bc Thanks. If you do I'd like to get a copy if i can please.
@@milesmcinerney5594 A printed version was available on Lulu, you still can find it on amazon:
www.amazon.de/English-Master-Defence-Zach-Wylde/dp/1446693708/ref=sr_1_1?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85%C5%BD%C3%95%C3%91&dchild=1&keywords=wylde+master+of+defence&qid=1588530595&sr=8-1
yup, "English" Backsword/Broadsword is nothing but the italian rapier heresy, focusing on the cut over the thrust instead of the thrust over the cut, that spread throughout europe in the 16th century, or at the very least, heavily bastardised by it. the spanish seemed immune to the italian style though not the weapon. meyer saw it supplanting the traditional german arts in 1570 and learnt and taught it, and all because everything that came out of italy in those days was the height of fashion, so it was thought better to learn the rapier than to be unfashionable, thus from the shores of England eventually to the steppes of Russia, the hereditary martial arts of europe bacame amongst the first victims of burgeoning globalisation and mens vanity
I study both broadsword and Italian rapier. English backsword is absolutely not just “Italian rapier” lol. Read a book, go outside, touch grass.
There is a modern european martial art- using firearms.
@@brittakriep2938 not exactly European when China invented them.
There’s several modern European martial arts. Greco Roman wrestling, boxing, modern Olympic fencing. Feel free to be ignorant though, you’re only hurting yourself.
@@frankheninja1 : Chinese people assumingly invented Black Powder. But as far as I ( armchair expert) know, they used it mostly as rockets similar to current Fireworks rockets or Congrave rockets of 19th century. Cannons, rifles or pistols, flintlock, wheellock, Percussion or metal cartridges are an european/ US thing.
We have in Europe still some folk wrestling Styles ( for example Schwingen/ Hosenlupf in Switzerland or Rangeln in Austria, Southern Tyrol and parts of Bavaria. There is english and french ( Savate) boxing, scandinavian Glima wrestling, russian Sambo, German Accademic fencing, cane fencing ( french ,la canne, Irish Bataidracht, english Bartitsu, polish Palcacy, basque techniques) and Long Sticks ( french baton Francaise, english quarterstaff, portugiese Jago du Pau, italian Bastone a dui mani and. HEMA as reconstruction. I surely have forgotten a lot.
@@brittakriep2938 well then you’re mistaken, because firearms were absolutely first invented for battlefield use by the Chinese.
Is the manual available anywhere online for free? I practice Page/stage gladiator broadsword sources and have grown increasingly interested in branching into the other “usual weapons used upon the stage”, including backsword and buckler/dagger, quarterstaff, and boxing/wrestling.
@@korg20000bc thank you!
@@frankheninja1 No problem.