Thank you ! My understanding is if the State doesn’t hand over something it can’t be used ! Also hasn’t the date past where the State was ordered to turn over everything? I can’t recall !
@@Vivianamarie01 Likewise the State cannot use anything that wasn't turned over by the deadline which I believe was September 6th as you say.....depending on circumstances.
@@falconquest2068 again, the judge can still approve anything not turned over by the original deadline based on the circumstances. Discovery is an ongoing process.
@@Vivianamarie01 Let's just clarify shall we? The question: Can discovery still be presented after a court ruled deadline? No, discovery cannot be presented after a court ruled deadline unless the court approves an extension for good cause. To request an extension, you must file a written motion in advance of the deadline and demonstrate good cause. Good cause is generally defined as showing that the information is critical to your case and that there was an excusable reason for not requesting it earlier. The court will consider the following factors when deciding whether to grant an extension: The potential impact of the delay on the proceedings The danger of prejudice to the opposing party The movant's reason for the delay Whether the movant acted in good faith The court may reject a motion to compel if it is filed after the discovery deadline.
As far as I'm concerned the whole story about the knife sheath is irrelevant for many reasons. Not the least of which are: 1. I believe it was planted by Payne 2. We don't know that it was a Ka-Bar that was used to commit this crime. We only ASSUME that based on the sheath. 3. Anyone with any brains (such as a criminology student) would be smart enough to attach the sheath to their person via a belt loop as it is intended to be used so as not to drop it. 4. Not attaching the sheath to their person creates a situation where the assailant must hold that sheath in their left hand (assuming they are right handed) while using their right to commit the crime. So we are to believe the assailant took on four different people one handed? Seriously? 5. The "finding" of the sheath was a bit too convenient in my opinion. 6. Reference Kathy Mabut's comments about the wounds. Her description sounds more like a machete than a knife and we know there were some if those in the area. We also can't rule out a hatchet. You know, the kind that may be thrown for competition? It was said that Kaylee was also beaten. There are two sides to a hatchet. The blade side and the (for lack of a better term) the hammer side. 7. The sheath deflects attention away from the actual weapon used and creates a false narrative. All of this in my opinion of course.
BK bought a knife thro Amazon consistent with the sheath weeks before. He bought a coverall work suit from Dickies. Between phone triangulation and video footage of his car, which was distinguishable bc it had only 1 registration plate, he is tracked from his apartment leaving early hours and arriving shortly B4 the crime, the time of which is accurately determined by Door Dash and sound from a neighboring house. His car was caught speeding away from the scene just after the crime His phone was on aeroplane mode at crucial times but when it was switched on, it was consistent with him making a detour after the crime in rural areas near large bodies of water. Cameras show him wearing gloves even in the shops. He hid his trash in neighbor's Bins and was wearing gloves at the time of his arrest He was seen at least once cleaning thoroughly his vehicle. He was dismissed for anti-women behaviour. Kaylee's dad showed dateline screenshots of him following her on Insta. I believe he practiced the k!ll, possibly using 2 weapons. He didn't expect 2 people in Maddie's room and a struggle ensued. The knife sheath wasn't attached to his belt bc he was wearing the work coverall. In the surprise fight back by Kaylee (who sustained the worst wounds, wounds consistent with the type of knife that fitted the sheath), he lost the sheath. It was found cleanly wiped down excepting a small spot under the button. The sheath was found under the body and bedding of Maddie and Kaylee. He is a weirdo, no pri0r girlfriends and a history of heroin addiction. Socially awkward and arrogant, according to multiple sources who studied with him. Even his own sister suspected him. And u believe he was framed? Really???
Thank you for your thoughts. The JJ court order referenced in this presentation stated JJ found there was substantial record evidence revealing State did not rely on IGG in applying for the arrest warrant. But by the same token the first paragraph of that same order indicated the feds told LE to look at Mr. Kohberger while they were creating the family tree. Unfortunately, due to the strict gag order and the enormous documents under seal, it is difficult to confirm what appears to be IMO conflicting information from the same order.
The arrest warrant was only gotten after the DNA from the sheath matched to him after LE sent the trash in. The IGG was more or less a tip to point them in the right direction. Even after the IGG was done, an arrest warrant had not even been drafted yet. They only drafted the warrant after his trash DNA matched sheath DNA. The IGG just pointed LE in his direction that's all.
@@KathysIndieZoNe They were already looking at him anyway when WSU campus cops called in an Elantra on the lot. I think LE had surveillance of a one license plate car and found his to be one license plate. They were already on to him, just not enough evidence yet to arrest him then.
@@Pllm30 So then why not turn over the IGG .What they are saying is the IGG led them to Bryan , but now that is irrelevant ? They are saying it is Bryans DNA on the sheath , they need to turn it all over .
@@Jody-royAnnan The IGG was used by LE/FBI not the Prosecution. The Prosecution is just working with what LE handed them over plus their own investigations. You'd have to ask LE that question not necessarily the Prosecution team. All defense needs to know is that the IGG was done, that's it. They don't need to see the records because what is going to happen is Anne is going to waste time looking for those people on his family tree and questioning them. The courts do not want her doing that. The courts want their identities secret that is why they don't hand over some of the info. Remember when she went behind their backs and did the survey, they're afraid she will do that here.
THANK GOD FOR ANOTHER ONE!! You are only the second individual dedicated to the factual truth and not conjecture that I have discovered over the last two years. Please continue, I will support you as much as you require. Again, thank you so very much. Take care and God bless you and your family richly. Have a Blessed and Merry Christmas!
Thomas thank you so very much for you kind words to me & my family. It means a lot. Best wishes to you and yours for a wonderful holiday & New Year, Kathy
Informants apropos to what exactly? Although we've all guessed, it's never been officially disclosed, has it? None of these rulings do the resolution of this case any good, not in the least bit. Is ID jurisdiction a special case where LE marks it's own homework perhaps? I have a shrewd idea as to how all this will eventually shake out but its taken me hours upon wasted hours of doc trawling to reach a satisfactory conclusion. There is such a slim chance of justice now being served that it's become a lamentable state of affairs and an existential threat to BCK. I KNOW he's been naive and got himself railroaded but i've also shared solid reasoning multiple times to various channels on both sides of the fence indicating this and basically got cancelled for my trouble. You obviously know your stuff Kathy so why not throw your hat into the ring! The way this investigation/case has been handled is not a good look and I'm now even beginning to doubt Anne Taylor's intentions.
A lawyer who raises an objection or a basis to seek grounds to seal evidence has a duty of candor to the tribunal which prevents them from using "boilerplate" language without a good faith basis to do so.
@@Vivianamarie01 Cite your source please that an Idaho barred attorney signing a court document is authorized to not exhibit candor to the tribunal and can raised matters based on anything but a good faith reliance an objection or grounds to seal documents do not exist. Thank you.
You made a name for yourself your own show on JEmbree to True Crime, kick rocks Vivianna we don't and will not be badgered by your supposed willingness to have everyone that believes in Kohberger's innocence. How do find all these channels, do you have a job, or paid to be a stone in our shoe, FFS get off it
@@Vivianamarie01 This is Idaho Code of Professional Conduct "Rule 3.3 - CANDOR TOWARD THE TRIBUNAL (a) A lawyer shall not knowingly: (1) make a false statement of fact or law to a tribunal or fail to correct a false statement of material fact or law previously made to the tribunal by the lawyer..."
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Thank you so much! That word informants has always had me baffled
Thank you ! My understanding is if the State doesn’t hand over something it can’t be used !
Also hasn’t the date past where the State was ordered to turn over everything? I can’t recall !
The judge can still agree to allow things after the deadline depending on circumstances.
@@Vivianamarie01go away
@@Vivianamarie01 Likewise the State cannot use anything that wasn't turned over by the deadline which I believe was September 6th as you say.....depending on circumstances.
@@falconquest2068 again, the judge can still approve anything not turned over by the original deadline based on the circumstances. Discovery is an ongoing process.
@@Vivianamarie01 Let's just clarify shall we? The question: Can discovery still be presented after a court ruled deadline?
No, discovery cannot be presented after a court ruled deadline unless the court approves an extension for good cause. To request an extension, you must file a written motion in advance of the deadline and demonstrate good cause. Good cause is generally defined as showing that the information is critical to your case and that there was an excusable reason for not requesting it earlier.
The court will consider the following factors when deciding whether to grant an extension:
The potential impact of the delay on the proceedings
The danger of prejudice to the opposing party
The movant's reason for the delay
Whether the movant acted in good faith
The court may reject a motion to compel if it is filed after the discovery deadline.
As far as I'm concerned the whole story about the knife sheath is irrelevant for many reasons. Not the least of which are:
1. I believe it was planted by Payne
2. We don't know that it was a Ka-Bar that was used to commit this crime. We only ASSUME that based on the sheath.
3. Anyone with any brains (such as a criminology student) would be smart enough to attach the sheath to their person via a belt loop as it is intended to be used so as not to drop it.
4. Not attaching the sheath to their person creates a situation where the assailant must hold that sheath in their left hand (assuming they are right handed) while using their right to commit the crime. So we are to believe the assailant took on four different people one handed? Seriously?
5. The "finding" of the sheath was a bit too convenient in my opinion.
6. Reference Kathy Mabut's comments about the wounds. Her description sounds more like a machete than a knife and we know there were some if those in the area. We also can't rule out a hatchet. You know, the kind that may be thrown for competition? It was said that Kaylee was also beaten. There are two sides to a hatchet. The blade side and the (for lack of a better term) the hammer side.
7. The sheath deflects attention away from the actual weapon used and creates a false narrative. All of this in my opinion of course.
BK bought a knife thro Amazon consistent with the sheath weeks before. He bought a coverall work suit from Dickies. Between phone triangulation and video footage of his car, which was distinguishable bc it had only 1 registration plate, he is tracked from his apartment leaving early hours and arriving shortly B4 the crime, the time of which is accurately determined by Door Dash and sound from a neighboring house. His car was caught speeding away from the scene just after the crime
His phone was on aeroplane mode at crucial times but when it was switched on, it was consistent with him making a detour after the crime in rural areas near large bodies of water. Cameras show him wearing gloves even in the shops. He hid his trash in neighbor's Bins and was wearing gloves at the time of his arrest
He was seen at least once cleaning thoroughly his vehicle. He was dismissed for anti-women behaviour. Kaylee's dad showed dateline screenshots of him following her on Insta. I believe he practiced the k!ll, possibly using 2 weapons. He didn't expect 2 people in Maddie's room and a struggle ensued. The knife sheath wasn't attached to his belt bc he was wearing the work coverall. In the surprise fight back by Kaylee (who sustained the worst wounds, wounds consistent with the type of knife that fitted the sheath), he lost the sheath. It was found cleanly wiped down excepting a small spot under the button. The sheath was found under the body and bedding of Maddie and Kaylee. He is a weirdo, no pri0r girlfriends and a history of heroin addiction. Socially awkward and arrogant, according to multiple sources who studied with him. Even his own sister suspected him. And u believe he was framed? Really???
Did they not use the IGG to support the arrest warrant ? How can paperwork be an informant ? these are some weak semantics .
Thank you for your thoughts. The JJ court order referenced in this presentation stated JJ found there was substantial record evidence revealing State did not rely on IGG in applying for the arrest warrant. But by the same token the first paragraph of that same order indicated the feds told LE to look at Mr. Kohberger while they were creating the family tree. Unfortunately, due to the strict gag order and the enormous documents under seal, it is difficult to confirm what appears to be IMO conflicting information from the same order.
The arrest warrant was only gotten after the DNA from the sheath matched to him after LE sent the trash in. The IGG was more or less a tip to point them in the right direction. Even after the IGG was done, an arrest warrant had not even been drafted yet. They only drafted the warrant after his trash DNA matched sheath DNA. The IGG just pointed LE in his direction that's all.
@@KathysIndieZoNe They were already looking at him anyway when WSU campus cops called in an Elantra on the lot. I think LE had surveillance of a one license plate car and found his to be one license plate. They were already on to him, just not enough evidence yet to arrest him then.
@@Pllm30 So then why not turn over the IGG .What they are saying is the IGG led them to Bryan , but now that is irrelevant ? They are saying it is Bryans DNA on the sheath , they need to turn it all over .
@@Jody-royAnnan
The IGG was used by LE/FBI not the Prosecution. The Prosecution is just working with what LE handed them over plus their own investigations. You'd have to ask LE that question not necessarily the Prosecution team. All defense needs to know is that the IGG was done, that's it. They don't need to see the records because what is going to happen is Anne is going to waste time looking for those people on his family tree and questioning them. The courts do not want her doing that. The courts want their identities secret that is why they don't hand over some of the info. Remember when she went behind their backs and did the survey, they're afraid she will do that here.
THANK GOD FOR ANOTHER ONE!!
You are only the second individual dedicated to the factual truth and not conjecture that I have discovered over the last two years.
Please continue, I will support you as much as you require. Again, thank you so very much.
Take care and God bless you and your family richly. Have a Blessed and Merry Christmas!
Thomas thank you so very much for you kind words to me & my family. It means a lot. Best wishes to you and yours for a wonderful holiday & New Year, Kathy
Informants apropos to what exactly? Although we've all guessed, it's never been officially disclosed, has it? None of these rulings do the resolution of this case any good, not in the least bit. Is ID jurisdiction a special case where LE marks it's own homework perhaps? I have a shrewd idea as to how all this will eventually shake out but its taken me hours upon wasted hours of doc trawling to reach a satisfactory conclusion. There is such a slim chance of justice now being served that it's become a lamentable state of affairs and an existential threat to BCK. I KNOW he's been naive and got himself railroaded but i've also shared solid reasoning multiple times to various channels on both sides of the fence indicating this and basically got cancelled for my trouble. You obviously know your stuff Kathy so why not throw your hat into the ring! The way this investigation/case has been handled is not a good look and I'm now even beginning to doubt Anne Taylor's intentions.
Loved you Kathy, good verbage IMO❤
Thanks Erika.
Boiler plate language
A lawyer who raises an objection or a basis to seek grounds to seal evidence has a duty of candor to the tribunal which prevents them from using "boilerplate" language without a good faith basis to do so.
@ that is not true
@@Vivianamarie01 Cite your source please that an Idaho barred attorney signing a court document is authorized to not exhibit candor to the tribunal and can raised matters based on anything but a good faith reliance an objection or grounds to seal documents do not exist. Thank you.
You made a name for yourself your own show on JEmbree to True Crime, kick rocks Vivianna we don't and will not be badgered by your supposed willingness to have everyone that believes in Kohberger's innocence. How do find all these channels, do you have a job, or paid to be a stone in our shoe, FFS get off it
@@Vivianamarie01 This is Idaho Code of Professional Conduct "Rule 3.3 - CANDOR TOWARD THE TRIBUNAL (a) A lawyer shall not knowingly: (1) make a false statement of fact or law to a tribunal or fail to correct a false statement of material fact or law previously made to the tribunal by the lawyer..."