There was an epic answer giben my the locals. When they where asked: "Why do you still believe that John Frum will come but since 19 years he hasnt come". He looked at him and replied " You are waiting 2000 years for your Jesus Christ and he hasnt come yet so why cant I wait 19 years for John Frum?"
I have connection with the United States Navy. I am going to see if we can get a naval detachment to visit the island as a humanitarian gesture and a tribute to John Frum and the United States Navy by putting on a Naval band and March. Supplies will include food, Coke,hot dogs and Apple Pie
Their culture persists in spite of this contact. In spite of their apparent poverty they are according to the happy planet index the happiest people in the world.
Thank you, we Christians believe in the resurrected spirit of a man who followed a religion that descended from ancient Mesopotamian religion. To a truly alien outside from Earth, it would seem to them that we believe in vampires and ghost.
Talk about performance anxiety! If I were a billionaire, I'd be on the plane already. Cargo like whoa. The problem is, I wouldn't be able to take all their problems away...
Could you narrow down the range a little on Judgement day? I am assuming you are a Deity and thus have the exact date, would you care to put it in a 2 week bracket?
(as I respond 7 months later... :p) I'm at the point where I've realized there are individuals out there who do not value evidence or logic and therefore will never admit the evidence that he was a fable, even if its margin of error would be practically 0%. I think we are on the way to at the very least show the character was very unlikely and the great thing is religious archaeologists are to thank!
They are sharing irrespective of whether their wanting to do so is motivated by profit or 'pure' benevolence. They are quite clearly not the most materialist people in the world, however everyone has material needs. What exactly are you objecting to?
I read in NatGeo that when the leaders were asked that since it's been decades and John has not returned, why do they still believe? Isaac Wan replied that it's been over 2,000 years and "Christianers" are still waiting! I see the comparison quite clearly. Let them believe just as Christians are allowed to believe. Who is to say that one belief is stronger, better or more valid than the other. Our monotheistic religions think this is ludicrous. The people of Tanna just laugh at us!
"If you're unable to have a civil discussion and elaborate on your original comment then you'll be ignored." But i did elaborate, those are the two points i was trying to make. I'm trying to say being an atheist is not something to be proud about and insulting other religions is especially not something to be proud about. It's the same as insulting someones culture. Just because you don't have one, doesn't mean it's right to insult those who do.
I cannot imagine how these folks don't make the connection between the "cargo" and modernism. I see them wearing modern made clothes. If they want cargo, all they need do is introduce capitalism and commerce into their society.
Hi, it's me again. Not an expert. As a Christian, I sure won't argue that there haven't been really evil people carrying the Christian banner. All faiths have their people like that. We live in a fallen world. I do believe, despite the way the Christian religion has gone off in some strange directions at times, that the central truth is (only) what I hold dear: that Jesus lived, claimed to be God and Savior, was not crazy or evil, and became the redemption for the wickedness of us all. :)
This is one of the saddest thing I've ever seen. Why don't the government of their country help these people and educate them? The truth should be explained to them and psychological assistance given so that they can understand they've been living a complete fantasy. Their delusional state shouldn't be encouraged by patronizing them...If anybody want to help these people, then a fund for education and mental rehabilitation is the best way...
Read pieces on anthropological studies on shamanism and other tribal systems of belief. What they do here is something more highly symbolic to their way of life (all the way in Vanuatu, pretty far from any place on the globe, relatively speaking). John Frum is an ancient animist spirit which has blended over historical events (allied occupation of Vanuatu in World War 2) resulting in this John Frum Cult. They are 100% aware of the outside technological world, yet they CHOOSE to believe so by own volition. Appearances can be deceiving because they are simply not as stupid as they seem to us.
But truth isnt all black and white, maybe these people are protesting that we should share the wealth with them, or stop hurting the environment. Its a matter of interpretation. Maybe I am being totally sarcastic. That is also a matter of interpretation.
This is so cool. Man, whatever they want to believe is fine by them. I am an atheist, but I don't hate people who believe in God. It's just that I don't. No one should be able to dictate who or what you believe in.
This is admittedly a rather spurious accolade, still they seem a joyous people and there is a great deal of admittedly anecdotal evidence to support this. The reports of people who have been there may be anecdotal but I'd suggest their having been there makes there testimony more interesting than yours hutchins.
atheists don't "defend islam"... where do you get that? maybe you're confusing atheists with liberals, most of whom do believe in god in some way. btw - yes, I'm an atheist.
I have shared them many times and will probably share them many more, however I won't post them simply because each person must find the Lord on their own terms. Accepting Christ is a personal experience and the Lord will give you all the proof you need after (or if) you have done the research and prayer needed to make the initial leap of faith. Faith is a gift from God that will be given to all who ask for it from Him. It is entirely your choice. Our Lord loves all people but forces none.
tHEY DESEND FRM THE AFRICANS THAT LEFT AFRICA AND SETTLED ASIA aND SOUTH EAST ASIA THEY R THE 1ST PEOPLE WHO R BLACK AS U CAN C TANNA IS VERY CLOSE TO AUSTRALIA
For sure! Its funny how this is the perfect example of how religions form, whether made up or just happened spontaneously. Very good point though, both stories are just as much bullshit as any other that requires faith as a prerequisite.
Do you not agree that when a religious authority and/or culture causes consistent harm to individuals within their culture (killing children for adultery, or disobedience, treating women as chattel, executing gay people, preaching anti condom use in illiterate and impoverished regions of Africa, teaching garbage in science classrooms, etc) then you should be responding to these religions with vitriol. I do not respect anyone's beliefs on insufficient evidence.
Once you give your self fully to faith you loose ability to critically judge and your mind start misinterpreting. Your son lived through difficult surgery? It's surgeons and their experience. You walked away unharmed after car crash? It's engineers skills who designed the car to be safe. It's very similar when a guy has a huge crush on a girl and misjudge her actions while friends who observe are laughing. You attribute proofs to your self because you want to believe not because god gave them.
I, as a Christian, love that my faith is based on historical evidence for the life and resurrection of Jesus. If anyone is interested, start with your doubts, of course, and just begin the research on what historians have to say about the person of Jesus. Also, examine the evidence for the historical accuracy of the Bible and then, the probability of the prophecies about Jesus coming true in his life, death, and resurrection. Jesus is God. He died for our sins. He rose. Study history.
Why would expect God to step in when men commit sin? He doesn't stop anyone from committing sin, yet you seem to think He should? Why? He is NOT our conscience, nor is He going to stop anyone from committing a sin. If He did that, we would not have the free will that He gave us. He did not create us so He could have a pet, He created man and gave Him free will. You do not have to believe in Him and many do not, many also claim to believe in Him, however their actions prove they don't.
Cross References Matthew 21:12 Then Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those selling doves. John 2:14 In the temple courts He found men selling cattle, sheep, and doves, and money changers seated at their tables. John 2:16 To those selling doves He said, "Get these out of here! How dare you turn My Father's house into a marketplace!" Acts 27:32 So the soldiers cut the ropes to the lifeboat and set it adrift.
As I said originally - prompting your ignorant objection which you have consistently failed to substantially back up or explain - by ostensibly worshipping some of the outward signs of western culture they have succesfully inculcated themselves from its pernicous influence, such steps are only necessary because of the inevitable contact both economic and social with the western world.
Ale zauważcie, jaka w XXI w. jest jeszcze przepaść między ludźmi, wyobraźcie sobie co by było dopiero wtedy, gdyby zabrać tych ludzi do Stanów albo do Chin :) masakra. Ogólnie nie mam z nich polewki.
"named after an unknown U.S. serviceman who may have introduced himself as "John from America." " CRACKEDdot C O M /article_18961_the-6-strangest-ways-anyone-was-ever-mistaken-god.html
You find a couple of fiscal facts on the internet, bandy around the term 'banana republic' and try and pass yourself off as an expert. My view of reality is warped you say, get a grip sunshine.
And folks. This is exactly how the Christian religion started. Just a bunch of made up stories and nonsensical beliefs that people made up among their history. It’s sad that humankind still clings to these beliefs. IMO, life has more meaning when you know there’s only one and it’s best to make it as good as possible.
Yup, rare ability to see origin of a religion close to the ground up. Christians try to pride themselves by saying Christianity springing up close to Christs death is evidence for its truth, because people living would have KNOWN the truth about Jesus.....not so......
Do you really believe that a religion could survive with all the claims that Christianity makes without the believers having more proof than just being told something by someone "in authority"? Yes, Christianity starts with a leap of faith, however it is sustained because you get the proofs that a thinking rational person needs to continue to believe. For me, 40 years ago I took a leap of faith, now I have all the proof I need. Others fell away because they didn't fully make that leap of faith
Cross References Matthew 21:12 Then Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those selling doves. John 2:14 In the temple courts He found men selling cattle, sheep, and doves, and money changers seated at their tables. John 2:16 To those selling doves He said, "Get these out of here! How dare you turn My Father's house into a marketplace!" Acts 27:32 So the soldiers cut the ropes to the lifeboat and set it adrift.
What you say is true in many cases, however those of us able to discern the difference between random chance, good engineering, and God stepping in are quite able to tell the difference. If all the experts tell you that you should be dead by all logic, perhaps you should believe them. Fortunately, the proof I have received have nothing to do with accidents, surgery or any medical situation, or anything else that could be construed to be the result of anything man has done or did.
Cross References Matthew 21:12 Then Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those selling doves. John 2:14 In the temple courts He found men selling cattle, sheep, and doves, and money changers seated at their tables. John 2:16 To those selling doves He said, "Get these out of here! How dare you turn My Father's house into a marketplace!" Acts 27:32 So the soldiers cut the ropes to the lifeboat and set it adrift.
It is your stupid comment on this beautiful communal cultural ritual you don’t understand which is playing the aggressive imperialist role of the military here my poor sad fool.
Le chant est perfect !!.. Beau spectable !!..
Tak powstały wszystkie religie , jakie to piękne móc oglądać narodziny religii.
There was an epic answer giben my the locals. When they where asked: "Why do you still believe that John Frum will come but since 19 years he hasnt come". He looked at him and replied " You are waiting 2000 years for your Jesus Christ and he hasnt come yet so why cant I wait 19 years for John Frum?"
I have connection with the United States Navy. I am going to see if we can get a naval detachment to visit the island as a humanitarian gesture and a tribute to John Frum and the United States Navy by putting on a Naval band and March. Supplies will include food, Coke,hot dogs and Apple Pie
Update?
Did you pull it off?
Update?
Pleaese not apple pie, get them some pork instead they love that
Why not give them the best of our food. Not make them sick, but let them try a few dishes from around the world
That song at the beginning is SOO catchy!!!l
John frum is a real nice piece of work
The intricate movements of Holy Communion are based on the gestures of the old imperial court of Rome and Byzantium, according to Alan Watts.
Name of this song?
Their culture persists in spite of this contact. In spite of their apparent poverty they are according to the happy planet index the happiest people in the world.
Thanks for sharing!!
What a great example of ancient wisdom. Dont they just have a differnt way of knowing? Who is to say what is true and what isnt?
This system of belief is really no more bizarre than anything else other people choose to believe.
Thank you, we Christians believe in the resurrected spirit of a man who followed a religion that descended from ancient Mesopotamian religion. To a truly alien outside from Earth, it would seem to them that we believe in vampires and ghost.
Talk about performance anxiety!
If I were a billionaire, I'd be on the plane already. Cargo like whoa. The problem is, I wouldn't be able to take all their problems away...
Could you narrow down the range a little on Judgement day? I am assuming you are a Deity and thus have the exact date, would you care to put it in a 2 week bracket?
1:34 - the second man is Bubba Smith from "Police Academy"
We should totally air drop some cargo on this island.
This has South Park written all over it.
(as I respond 7 months later... :p) I'm at the point where I've realized there are individuals out there who do not value evidence or logic and therefore will never admit the evidence that he was a fable, even if its margin of error would be practically 0%. I think we are on the way to at the very least show the character was very unlikely and the great thing is religious archaeologists are to thank!
He was real
They are sharing irrespective of whether their wanting to do so is motivated by profit or 'pure' benevolence. They are quite clearly not the most materialist people in the world, however everyone has material needs. What exactly are you objecting to?
I think they're keeping the act up for tourism business...
in a melancholy way i think this is kind of cute.
Islandfever chrustians wait, but if he is us, then our wait doesnt cares a lot.
I read in NatGeo that when the leaders were asked that since it's been decades and John has not returned, why do they still believe? Isaac Wan replied that it's been over 2,000 years and "Christianers" are still waiting! I see the comparison quite clearly. Let them believe just as Christians are allowed to believe. Who is to say that one belief is stronger, better or more valid than the other. Our monotheistic religions think this is ludicrous. The people of Tanna just laugh at us!
"If you're unable to have a civil discussion and elaborate on your original comment then you'll be ignored."
But i did elaborate, those are the two points i was trying to make. I'm trying to say being an atheist is not something to be proud about and insulting other religions is especially not something to be proud about. It's the same as insulting someones culture. Just because you don't have one, doesn't mean it's right to insult those who do.
I cannot imagine how these folks don't make the connection between the "cargo" and modernism. I see them wearing modern made clothes. If they want cargo, all they need do is introduce capitalism and commerce into their society.
@Campbell Koschei Yellow man hand products to White man in exchange for paper (with value decided by white man)
thats what i think about christians
ALL HAIL JOHN FRUM
Kaya ako maniniwala n may ufo
This.is.not.a.rilejion.only.man.made
Hi, it's me again. Not an expert. As a Christian, I sure won't argue that there haven't been really evil people carrying the Christian banner. All faiths have their people like that. We live in a fallen world. I do believe, despite the way the Christian religion has gone off in some strange directions at times, that the central truth is (only) what I hold dear: that Jesus lived, claimed to be God and Savior, was not crazy or evil, and became the redemption for the wickedness of us all. :)
Oops... Looks like the U.S. violated the prime directive.
This is neither the time nor the place for my autobiography...
This is one of the saddest thing I've ever seen. Why don't the government of their country help these people and educate them? The truth should be explained to them and psychological assistance given so that they can understand they've been living a complete fantasy. Their delusional state shouldn't be encouraged by patronizing them...If anybody want to help these people, then a fund for education and mental rehabilitation is the best way...
Read pieces on anthropological studies on shamanism and other tribal systems of belief. What they do here is something more highly symbolic to their way of life (all the way in Vanuatu, pretty far from any place on the globe, relatively speaking). John Frum is an ancient animist spirit which has blended over historical events (allied occupation of Vanuatu in World War 2) resulting in this John Frum Cult. They are 100% aware of the outside technological world, yet they CHOOSE to believe so by own volition. Appearances can be deceiving because they are simply not as stupid as they seem to us.
If you're going to do that, they you'd have to do it for every other religion out there.
Why do you think the government is the answer?? Look around you, the government is the problem.
lol put these guys at the US military. they already know the drills
But truth isnt all black and white, maybe these people are protesting that we should share the wealth with them, or stop hurting the environment. Its a matter of interpretation.
Maybe I am being totally sarcastic. That is also a matter of interpretation.
This is mystifying
This is so cool. Man, whatever they want to believe is fine by them. I am an atheist, but I don't hate people who believe in God. It's just that I don't. No one should be able to dictate who or what you believe in.
This is admittedly a rather spurious accolade, still they seem a joyous people and there is a great deal of admittedly anecdotal evidence to support this. The reports of people who have been there may be anecdotal but I'd suggest their having been there makes there testimony more interesting than yours hutchins.
Would you like to share your proofs?
atheists don't "defend islam"... where do you get that? maybe you're confusing atheists with liberals, most of whom do believe in god in some way. btw - yes, I'm an atheist.
it would be pretty plainfull to watch if I was muslim or christian
TANNA yet ya ....tff tff like it.
@wilie123 I'm actually a lot John Frum.
...our bad... sorry...
Such a resemblance to WWII G.I.'s
I have shared them many times and will probably share them many more, however I won't post them simply because each person must find the Lord on their own terms. Accepting Christ is a personal experience and the Lord will give you all the proof you need after (or if) you have done the research and prayer needed to make the initial leap of faith. Faith is a gift from God that will be given to all who ask for it from Him. It is entirely your choice. Our Lord loves all people but forces none.
tHEY DESEND FRM THE AFRICANS THAT LEFT AFRICA AND SETTLED ASIA aND SOUTH EAST ASIA THEY R THE 1ST PEOPLE WHO R BLACK AS U CAN C
TANNA IS VERY CLOSE TO AUSTRALIA
For sure! Its funny how this is the perfect example of how religions form, whether made up or just happened spontaneously. Very good point though, both stories are just as much bullshit as any other that requires faith as a prerequisite.
"can you prove John Frum didn't exist"
Just absurd, shows you how easily humans manufacture spiritual beliefs and believe nonsense.
well I can safely say that notion is gonna come back and lavish these people with cargo ISN'T true.
Kolosap ba John Frum kambak na 😂😂😂😂😂😂
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It's a good thing his name wasn't Mike Hunt.
Do you not agree that when a religious authority and/or culture causes consistent harm to individuals within their culture (killing children for adultery, or disobedience, treating women as chattel, executing gay people, preaching anti condom use in illiterate and impoverished regions of Africa, teaching garbage in science classrooms, etc) then you should be responding to these religions with vitriol. I do not respect anyone's beliefs on insufficient evidence.
ROFL omg the comments of all these super intelligent edgy atheists!
This is what the world looks like to those that were forced into churches who didn't believe any of the nonsence
Once you give your self fully to faith you loose ability to critically judge and your mind start misinterpreting. Your son lived through difficult surgery? It's surgeons and their experience. You walked away unharmed after car crash? It's engineers skills who designed the car to be safe. It's very similar when a guy has a huge crush on a girl and misjudge her actions while friends who observe are laughing. You attribute proofs to your self because you want to believe not because god gave them.
Has anyone actually tried to land a plane on their imitation runways?
@vandella223 As if skin color has anything to do with it!
Why bother occupying Samoa, Puerto Rico, Texas, or Berkeley, make Tanna the 51st State!
I, as a Christian, love that my faith is based on historical evidence for the life and resurrection of Jesus. If anyone is interested, start with your doubts, of course, and just begin the research on what historians have to say about the person of Jesus. Also, examine the evidence for the historical accuracy of the Bible and then, the probability of the prophecies about Jesus coming true in his life, death, and resurrection. Jesus is God. He died for our sins. He rose. Study history.
LOL LMAO
Why would expect God to step in when men commit sin? He doesn't stop anyone from committing sin, yet you seem to think He should? Why? He is NOT our conscience, nor is He going to stop anyone from committing a sin. If He did that, we would not have the free will that He gave us. He did not create us so He could have a pet, He created man and gave Him free will. You do not have to believe in Him and many do not, many also claim to believe in Him, however their actions prove they don't.
Cross References
Matthew 21:12
Then Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those selling doves.
John 2:14
In the temple courts He found men selling cattle, sheep, and doves, and money changers seated at their tables.
John 2:16
To those selling doves He said, "Get these out of here! How dare you turn My Father's house into a marketplace!"
Acts 27:32
So the soldiers cut the ropes to the lifeboat and set it adrift.
What's wrong with them sharing their beautiful culture, maybe even you could learn something, that is if you could remove your head from your behind.
they are hilarious
As I said originally - prompting your ignorant objection which you have consistently failed to substantially back up or explain - by ostensibly worshipping some of the outward signs of western culture they have succesfully inculcated themselves from its pernicous influence, such steps are only necessary because of the inevitable contact both economic and social with the western world.
Ale zauważcie, jaka w XXI w. jest jeszcze przepaść między ludźmi, wyobraźcie sobie co by było dopiero wtedy, gdyby zabrać tych ludzi do Stanów albo do Chin :) masakra. Ogólnie nie mam z nich polewki.
my damned typing .....the notion that john frum is gonna come back ISN'T true.
Very similar to the Vatican at Easter.
"named after an unknown U.S. serviceman who may have introduced himself as "John from America." "
CRACKEDdot C O M /article_18961_the-6-strangest-ways-anyone-was-ever-mistaken-god.html
no they're not, its actually a cult~
You find a couple of fiscal facts on the internet, bandy around the term 'banana republic' and try and pass yourself off as an expert. My view of reality is warped you say, get a grip sunshine.
And folks. This is exactly how the Christian religion started. Just a bunch of made up stories and nonsensical beliefs that people made up among their history. It’s sad that humankind still clings to these beliefs.
IMO, life has more meaning when you know there’s only one and it’s best to make it as good as possible.
Yup, rare ability to see origin of a religion close to the ground up. Christians try to pride themselves by saying Christianity springing up close to Christs death is evidence for its truth, because people living would have KNOWN the truth about Jesus.....not so......
It is so funny
It looks like palestinian cops....
Do you really believe that a religion could survive with all the claims that Christianity makes without the believers having more proof than just being told something by someone "in authority"? Yes, Christianity starts with a leap of faith, however it is sustained because you get the proofs that a thinking rational person needs to continue to believe. For me, 40 years ago I took a leap of faith, now I have all the proof I need. Others fell away because they didn't fully make that leap of faith
Cross References
Matthew 21:12
Then Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those selling doves.
John 2:14
In the temple courts He found men selling cattle, sheep, and doves, and money changers seated at their tables.
John 2:16
To those selling doves He said, "Get these out of here! How dare you turn My Father's house into a marketplace!"
Acts 27:32
So the soldiers cut the ropes to the lifeboat and set it adrift.
funny
So weird . . .
LOL
What you say is true in many cases, however those of us able to discern the difference between random chance, good engineering, and God stepping in are quite able to tell the difference. If all the experts tell you that you should be dead by all logic, perhaps you should believe them. Fortunately, the proof I have received have nothing to do with accidents, surgery or any medical situation, or anything else that could be construed to be the result of anything man has done or did.
Cross References
Matthew 21:12
Then Jesus entered the temple courts and drove out all who were buying and selling there. He overturned the tables of the money changers and the seats of those selling doves.
John 2:14
In the temple courts He found men selling cattle, sheep, and doves, and money changers seated at their tables.
John 2:16
To those selling doves He said, "Get these out of here! How dare you turn My Father's house into a marketplace!"
Acts 27:32
So the soldiers cut the ropes to the lifeboat and set it adrift.
Yeah... no, its an atheist state. Religion is forbidden. "Magical thinking" is not a religion.
How sad...
Bruh
Thats a bad take if i ever read one
sooo sad ,from paradise, to stupid military
They believe a guy named john frum, who is dressed as a military soldier will return and shower them with riches.
It is your stupid comment on this beautiful communal cultural ritual you don’t understand which is playing the aggressive imperialist role of the military here my poor sad fool.
It's still paradise over there, there are no wars in Vanuatu. And they dont pay taxes either