It's good to see that your primary sponsor has renewed their faith in your channel. I was surprised to discover that I have been an unwitting long-term beta tester for their new cable management system - non-resonant and oh so non-conductive.
Just finished listening to Qobuz hi res version of RATM debut album on my Edition XS and Topping DX3 Pro+ and i still have goosebumps. I literally couldn’t stop listening until the album played through. $700 US for performance like that. Incredible. What a great time to be an audiophile! Great advice Randy, keep on keeping it real.
I'm sold based on this. Using Metallica and Zepp as a reference helped enormously. Far too many reviewers bring out all these "headphone test" songs that I don't think many people ever listen to casually, so hearing the impression based on actual music is awesome. And you're right about burn in. Planars absolutely do not need it.
Dekoni Nuggets work wonders for those types of HiFiMan headbands. I have them on the Deva Pro and if you have a bigger head you can put Nuggets over the L and R indicators to alleviate any pressure spot on the top.
At first I was mad that I heard about the XS literally days after buying Sundara, but then I saw the headband. Big single piece bands like that one (no matter how cushy) give my poor noggin' a big old pain. Suspension headbands ftw!
I really like that Sith audio makes affordable stuff like the cable management nano-tape for entry level users like me. I feel that the carbon impregnated flex isolation strip really improves the speed and control of the lower mid and upper punch regions. My only problem is that I can't afford the measurement or segmentation tools for properly delineating the cable management material. I'm saving up to get that kit, but in the mean time I'm using my phone and a kitchen knife to create the cable management segments. I'm pretty sure I'm losing resolution because of that. Thanks Sith Audio.
Love the headphone stuff. Just started getting into them since I can listen when the kids go to bed and I absolutely love it. Loving the Sundaras, but you know how the chase goes.
I got mine about three weeks ago and I think they are great! On the forums there has been a discussion about whether they need an absurd amount of power or not. I drive them both from an iPhone and from the L50 and I find them equally enjoyable. It would be great to have someone trying them on different amps!
"Audiophiles" will tell you need to buy a $1000 amp to enjoy your headphones, but the truth is, even $100 amps like the Schiit Heresy are more than enough to power 99% of headphones to their full potential. There's literally only two qualifiers for a good (non-tube) amp, and that's the amount of power it can supply and how little distortion it adds. The Heresy can output 3 WATTS of power with virtually 0 distortion. Cheap amps today made by reputable brands measure better and output more power than 10 year old flagship amps that cost over a grand in their time.
@@rainydaygirlz The 'ASR' kind of measurements don't really result in any audible differences as amply illustrated by Andrew from 'The Headphone Show' in his video on SINAD and also as illustrated by Lachlan from 'The Passion for Sound', Sandu from 'Sound News' and many other regular listeners as well. What matters is the type of amplification used (class A, op amp, discreet etc) and the quality of components used in the gear.
Thank you, man. Your work is fantastic. I just got this headphone and I really like it. My next step is to try to mess around with the EQ. Maybe to add some punch to upper middle range and reduce slightly something at the treble.
I currently own Sundaras and had Anandas. The Ananda was like the Sundara but THICC bass and a much wider soundstage but less impact overall. The sundara likes to image most things into the center and a bit close to the face, and then have left and right off at a 45. I'm thinking I'll get the Edition xs and get enough of the Ananda out of them but without the price tag. The Ananda's wider stage with greater depth and razer thin center image versus the blob of the Sundara was wonderful. The reason I returned them was because one of the cups was grinding on the frame above where it was held it to the headband, I immediately lost faith in the build.
just bought these....already own a pair of lcdx and wanted something similar sounding for travel but only lighter and less expensive ...thanks for the reassurance
Thanks for the headphone content. Anyone wanting for an affordable planar would definitely have the XS on the short list. In the same way, someone looking to buy would be asking themselves how it compares with the Sundara; so, the shootout is right on target. I liked the video.
I spent a lot of money on a pair of headphones once and felt guilty at the time. That was back in the 90's. But I still have, and enjoy, my HD-600's so it was money well spent!!!
150hrs break-in is what they recommend. I love my Edition XX and never understood the criticisms. The XS is better yet and I can hardly imagine better than XX already. Even my XX smoked the Sundara in my mind.
@@thrywyn my comment about seeming reasonable was sarcastic. As far as burn in goes I’ll run things for a couple of days or speakers for a couple of weeks in the bedroom before I review. Some things sound exactly the same. Other stuff does break in. Meze Rai solo and Elac Unifi 2.0 are the two items that changed the most radically. I don’t have any scientific evidence to back that up. Just my experience and I’m not going to argue about it.
I have the Ananda and it's just perfect! I'm curious to compare those two, but it seem that the XS is a cheaper version of the Ananda, mean the same sound for less money. Good for customers!
@@Viettzz Never listened the Xs, but the specs looks the same. Ananda: 8-55kHz, 103dB; XS: 8-50kHz; 92dB. For half the price, the XS is a good deal, but he Ananda is very efficient (sensivity).
The specs are very different, just look at the sensitivity. This needs around 10x the power of the Ananda, it really needs a headphone amp. Many other headphones have similar quoted frequency ranges but that's not very meaningful. Sound though IS quite similar, XS has better bass extension and is more forward. Ananda can sound more smooth. Ananda has slightly better soundstage. Fit for me is much better on the Ananda, the XS is very loose. Much looser than the HE400SE which has the same headband. XS is definitely competitive with the Ananda sound-wise but I don't think you need to rush out and buy it if you already have the Ananda, it's relatively subtle differences- and it's not all one-sided, the Ananda is still better in some ways, the Edition XS in others. Also, it's not really half the price. Ananda is $599 now, this is $499 (US pricing). In China, they're both even cheaper, Ananda is around $450-470 in China, this is around $360-390. So it's just a little less. They made the saving in the packaging (no faux leather box), the cable (simple rubbery cable, I actually think better than the Ananda but it's more simple), the headband (worse IMO than the Ananda). I don't think they skimped on the drivers, they are certainly competitive.
Randy you are literally the first person to name metallica or any rock/metal group in an audiophile video I have yet seen and I love you for it, Bass Matters... Period. as a long term metal head and rock listener I can never get the boom of my guitar cab to sound right on all these so called 'HiFi headphones'. It's not really HiFi if the sound spectrum is incomplete is it? It can be better for one thing or the other but compared to something like a studio monitor that we mix on, being a complete frequency response and being fun is more important than just being good at some one thing for me. Reviewers should be more considerate of a majority of house/electro and metal/rock listeners as well because for the longest time I changed gear not having the slightest idea which one would suit my tastes best until I was already out of money on that piece of gear.
Thanks for the review! On the market for a pair. Question. I also listened to Senneisers HD650’s. Is it fair to compare them? I think I’ll purchase either one of these. Any thoughts or tips? Sorry to bother
@George Petroff Hi from INDIA. I also have zen dac v2 and am planning to buy Xs. How is the combination? is the V2 power sufficient for Xs ? Please reply me.
Amen to these. Had mine for about a month now and they are fantastic. They're trading punches with my Modhouse T60RPs in a few areas, but excel in others. Love em.
XS are the cats meow! Huge upgrade over Sundara’s. Everything comes to life even more. Powered by SMSL SU-9 and Topping A90. Inspiring, immersive sound stage, rich bottom end. I do have to eq 12khz for some female vocals to tame a bit of sizzle Andrew talks about. Comfort level cannot be underestimated over Sundaras. Took Cheapaudiomans reco and went for the XS. Dead on assessment. Rather than use the technical descriptions you often hear. I will use emotional verbiage. XS opens the door to a new portal to sonic nervana. The roof lifts open on your listening experience. Fun expands to wonder and audio joy. I now have a seat in the inner circle of the recording studio. Every note, every vocal nuance, every piano tickle (Joe Sample or Eliane Elias) bass punch, it’s a different world. More than ear candy, sonic bliss!
Hi i have ifi zen dac v2 Dac/Amp which gives around 320 milli watt. I have two options: 1. Adding ifi zen can dedicated amp + edition xs to the existing Dac/amp 2 adding Ananda to existing Dac/Amp without dedicated Amp. Xs + zen can amp costs me same as the Ananda alone. Help me please.
@@FabioGrenkh oh! That was 2 years back. In these 2 years, i used Xs with zen dac + amp. Later upgraded to XS+ topping E70 dac + Topping A90D amp. Later moved to hifiman He100 SE. Then added Burson soloist 3X grant tourer amp. Later upgraded to Gustard R26 Dac. Next added Gustard U18 DDC. Now I'm using: Gustard U18 --> hdmi IIS -->Gustard R26 --> balanced Xlr interconnect --> Burson soloist 3X grant tourer --> Balanced xlr headphone cables --> Hifiman HE1000 SE.
@@gamingandmusic9217 Damn, that’s quite the journey 😅 I‘m currently trying out a few things with the Xs and don’t really now which Amp/Dac I should use. I have the Apple 3.5 to lightning dongle and the Qudelix 5k and I can hear absolutely no difference between them. So now I have my eyes set on the Topping A50 III. Would you say that’ll improve sound quality?
@@FabioGrenkh amps make more difference than Dacs in general. get ifi zen dac3 if you are in budget. if you can stretch your budget, go for some budget topping stack.
@@cheapaudioman Thing is, I don't think that they are great for metal. I love em for jazz, classic, rock and voices are especially gorgeous but for Metal Hardrock and punchier music in general I never found harder hitting headphones then my RP 60s. The 60s creak horribly but I love em anyway. The Planars are the best headphones I ever heard when it comes to "beautiful" music. I hope that wasn't to detailed : )
I did get hot spots on top from the edition XS but all I had to do was get an extra HD600 headband cushion (knock off one worked good) and 3 velvro straps to keep it in place. Little bending of the yolks to get more side clamp and these feel almost as close to my HD6XX for comfort as I think I can get them.
I got these about a year ago, the XS is still my endgame . I have it paired with a monolith dac/amp combo with EQ. Or portable Fiio BTR7 DAP and balanced cables.
Hey man really love the video but could you do me a favor? Can you do a three-way shootout of the XS, Sundaras, and the 4xx. I'm having a hard time with these headphones. I own all three but I would like to hear your take on them
Will these pair well with BiFrost/Jotenheim? I can’t consider other gear yet. Currently using Sundaras with the above. It may be my ears but something seems missing 🤷🏻♂️ maybe I should keep the Sundaras and change sac/amp 😆
Hi i have ifi zen dac v2 Dac/Amp which gives around 320 milli watt. I have two options: 1. Adding ifi zen can dedicated amp + edition xs to the existing Dac/amp 2 adding Ananda to existing Dac/Amp without dedicated Amp. Xs + zen can amp costs me same as the Ananda alone.
Man usually I agree with you but when you can get he560v4 for 250 less or the he6se for 500 (both have this headband)pretty regularly (if you already have a beefy amp sitting around)...it's hard to rec these at retail. was able to a/b one against my personal 560v4 on a Magnius stack and they still lack the sub bass extension that the 560 has (they also don't necessarily sound wider to me... Perhaps a bit more verticality, but definitely not much deeper to my ear) Of course if you don't have a powerful amp, or don't want one, this may be a better option as it should play really nicely with a lot of the lower power options and even portables on the market.
@@jmm2226 yeah that should be a fine pairing. As long as you aren't concerned with going balanced (it's not truly balanced...though the xlr out does measure better than the se). I have a friend that grabbed one when he decided to get into desktop audio and it seems nice enough. I just can't get over the canted design lol.
I have the HE560v1 and the bass is a bit underwhelming even with an Asgard 3 or Jot 2. What are you driving your v4s with? And did the bass get a boost in the HE560 somewhere between v1 and v4?
@@edwarddodge7937 it's not a bassy headphone. Very neutral. The sub bass extension however dips down confidently past 20hz, as in it can play those tones where some headphones can't with as much authority. It does not however, add anything to the bass(but represents the mix as it was recorded). Daily driver is a Magnius and Modius.
I have a set if Hifiman Ananda's that I got from Amazon for $599 a few weeks ago. That has been the pricing for the Ananda's the last month or so. I am still under the return window with the Ananda's but i only have 2 more weeks. Anyone out there with thoughts of the Edition XS compared to the Ananda's. Really enjoying the Ananda's either way but i think i would enjoy that headband more...? Had the Sundara's but just didn't enjoy the weight or the round cups. Sounded nice though but the Ananda's won (for me) out so i sent the Sundara's back.
I don't think these are that great TBH. I wouldn't buy them again, personally. To my ears they don't sound all that clear, like there's quite a bit of earcup resonance. Like he said sibilance and the bass isn't well controlled. And I got them for $269 on Amazon- not worth it to me.
Just bought these from Amazon UK at a fantastic price with a case. The only thing is, if there wasn't a mod for the headband, I would have had to send them back as they just didn't fit, they're huge! I have an average sized head, but they just dropped when placed on my head! The mod now makes them perfect, just a shame it's necessary.
This headphone definitely was on my candidate list. However, I ended up picking up the Sennheiser HD600 since they suit my library of classical music very well and often go on sale. You can get one new or good condition used for under $300 easily. Got mine new for $275.
I bought one for 247 euros, what a great deal, I'm listen it with the Ifi zen stack, wich were great with the HD600 but for the XS I think it's not the better choice, maybe another gear?
I've had them for over a month and a half now - I love em. A great compliment to my Focal Elexes. And yeah, these two are my endgame. Nuff said. PS: I think my ears match with CheapAudioMan's - I feel just the same with these! I've stopped looking for cans now, myself.
What are the diffs between them? The Elex are my best open back set and I use the Ether CX for closed back. I have an old HiFiMan HE-560 v1 that is as clear and open as the Elex, but is also without the punch and without the bass, even when connected balanced to a Jot 2.
@@edwarddodge7937 well the XS have a larger scale to the round Hifimans (I have the he400i and he4xx for comparison). I mean the XS are not miles ahead (I don't believe in the night and day schools of thought), but somehow the egg shaped Hifimans in general, and this in particular, do it almost right in every way, including good and more present sub bass. How they differ from the Elex is that they Elex are more punchy and dynamic, whereas the XS are yet even more open and have a much bigger soundstage, and a bit more relaxed, like Randy said... U curve. The Elex may feel a bit more detailed, yet the XS are much less agressive and offensive. The timber is good on both but a bit more natural on the XS. And the XS really are the least offensive in my stable, and never fatiguing. Never. They're mellow, relaxed. Occasionally, they may feel like having more relaxed mids, so that's not their best feature, but I'm ok with relaxed mids. The Elex has more detail and forward mids. These are laid back. I think the Elex may have more bass. But the XS seems to me about the best planar sound at this price. In my mind, these don't quite best each other out, but rather the best of both worlds. TL;DR, just follow Randy on what he says here. He's saying it better.
@@divinginthedeep Thanks, you just answered all my questions. Elex has more detail, forward mids. & may have more bass. I'm still in the honeymoon phase with my elex.
@@deadline7610 yes... I mean people may have some QC complaints with the Elex (I have none personally, drivers never clipped nor failed), so besides that... Elex truly are something indeed. Stage could have been better, but imaging compensates for that well enough. Brilliant headphones. Can't be wronged.
@@divinginthedeep I remember before my Sundara purchase people were talking about HiFiman QC. Did you get a chance to try the elex with tubes ? I'm curious. The xduoo 602 sounded interesting as an entry point. Thanks
Hello sir great review, may I ask what are the good recommended Amp/Dac combos to go with this pair of headphones, my setup is PC and budget is around $800. Ty !!
Dangit Randy, I bought these after watching your review. I tend to prefer a warmer sound signature so I will try them with my Xduoo MT602's. I'm currently using the Sennheiser 560s for music and gaming. How do you think they will hold up in comparison? Cheers!
@@citizenuk Sorry for the delayed response. I wanted to get a fair amount of time in with these headphones before commenting. Okay so, if you are in the market for a pair of headphones and 500 dollars is not a big stretch for your hobby then I would definitely get these. The clarity, detail, soundstage, imaging, bass, weight, and comfort are quite impressive. It was a little weird getting used to them at first coming from the 560s because the XS feel a lot looser and relaxed on your head. I actually hated the way they felt as a first impression. The 560s have a much more athletic fit (if that makes any sense). After putting in the time with the Hifiman I very much got used to the fit and feel. I initially tried these headphones with my mt-602 hybrid tube amp and thought the headphones were an improvement but wasn't sure if I wanted to keep the much more expensive headphone as I was pretty satisfied with my 560s. However, I thought I would use my Schiit Magni amp (using Schiit Modi DAC) and at the moment I realized I must keep these headphones. The detail, speed, impact, and separation of these headphones really came to life. I was a bit surprised as I much preferred my MT-602 amp in the past. I believe this is because these are planar headphones vs dynamic as many might note. Last night was my Friday and wanted to go to bed to catch up on some lost sleep. I made the mistake of putting on some FLAC music files and ended up staying up a couple more hours. As far as sound signature/timbre goes, they provide amazing clarity and detail but are coated with a little smoothness or silk if you will. I've heard some people say the vocals sound a little recessed and they would eq the headphones to fix that. I would agree that I initially thought that to be true but I either got used to the vocals or they just needed time to be broken in (if you believe that is a thing). So music and movies sound great but what about FPS gaming compared to the 560s? Well, I think both of these headphones perform on a top tier competitive level. The 560s might be a little less fatiguing but the Hifiman XS has a slight edge in almost all areas. Bigger sound stage, better imaging, more detail and separation. Will these headphones make you a better player? That is up for debate. I've been able to reach Diamond in Apex Legends both splits this season with the 560s in split 1 and the Hifiman XS split 2, respectively. Again the XS might have a slight edge and I'll be primarily if not exclusively using my XS headphones if I want to waste more of my time trying to push to Masters. Looks like the cheapaudioman can be trusted as what he described all appears to be true to my ears. When I put on my 560s it now sounds a little nasally, lacking clarity and detail. I can't see myself needing or wanting to "upgrade" my headphones for a long time. Perhaps I can now focus on wasting my money on a proper speaker amp or hurting myself on a more dangerous motorcycle. Cheers.
PS as a little background, I have tried the PC38x and would recommend the 560s as I found them just as good for gaming but quite a bit better for music and movies/media. I bought the Sundara's as one of my best friends love them but returned them right away. The detail and clarity was great but there was absolutely no body to them to my ears. They sounded very clinical and analytical but mostly empty which are not necessary bad things but I required a lot more flavor and punch. It actually made me think that I wasn't geared towards being an "audiophile" as so many have high regard for this headphone including one of my best mates. As many know, sound is very personal but I can't see anyone disliking the Hifiman XS as they seem to excel in all the right areas. I do wish they looked a little more modern/cooler but they are fine design wise and I am here for the experience the headphone provides me.
So, Randy curios which, if you know, which version of the Highfiman is Jason Stiddard useing for his floor staff. As l heard him comment they take a lick'n and keep on ticking. The reason l ask is the 3 out of 10 reviews at Amazon were snarky on build quality. PS... U ever going to do a Powered Speaker Shot out with say the Klipsh 5's oh please...
These might be the HiFiMan missing link I am looking for - love the Sundara, but yeah, lacking that umpf low end. Using the Zen Signature. DAC for Headphone amp with HFM, so expecting good things
Damn, where did these new cans come from?! I wish I knew these were coming... I just bought a pair of Sundara's three weeks ago (which I love!), but I would have definitely given these a thought!!
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hey everyone, great vid. Question is if anyone has them, how do they do with classical music and how do you think they compare with the HD660s. Tank everyone
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Thanks for the video, Randy. But… do you really think this beats Grado 325 under the 500$ price point?
Recommend any headphones with some durability or longevity? I've never has headphones last over 1 year without failure
From brand new Sennheiser 700$ to pioneer DJ which lasted 3 weeks.
It's good to see that your primary sponsor has renewed their faith in your channel. I was surprised to discover that I have been an unwitting long-term beta tester for their new cable management system - non-resonant and oh so non-conductive.
269 on amazon right now, 100% grabbing it
Just finished listening to Qobuz hi res version of RATM debut album on my Edition XS and Topping DX3 Pro+ and i still have goosebumps. I literally couldn’t stop listening until the album played through. $700 US for performance like that. Incredible. What a great time to be an audiophile! Great advice Randy, keep on keeping it real.
Should I buy Topping DX3 or iFi hip-dac2? Not sure what the difference would be, but on Amazon the DX3 is paired with Edition XS.
Do you know how these compare to HD 660s? Don't know which one to get, both are priced similarly in my region.
@@Chopper153 Go with Edition XS!
Glad you said this, RATM's debut is a fantastic benchmark and if it sounded that good then I'm confident in it
How are they today? Eying them as an upgrade to my 400i!
Finally Sith Audio is doing the right thing and continuing to support the channel 👍
I'm sold based on this. Using Metallica and Zepp as a reference helped enormously. Far too many reviewers bring out all these "headphone test" songs that I don't think many people ever listen to casually, so hearing the impression based on actual music is awesome. And you're right about burn in. Planars absolutely do not need it.
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Burn in is your brain adjusting to the sound.
@@StarsAtNight1 intersting idea
@@StarsAtNight1That’s actually the best explanation for Burn In I’ve ever heard
I bought the Hifiman Sundara. A brilliant headphone. I am now a happy camper.
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Thanks for the fantastic review, based on it I bought my edition XS and never looked back. They are fantastic.
@residentzero As always it will be personal preferences but I love them
Dekoni Nuggets work wonders for those types of HiFiMan headbands. I have them on the Deva Pro and if you have a bigger head you can put Nuggets over the L and R indicators to alleviate any pressure spot on the top.
Solid review! I think you are the first American reviewer to review the Hifiman Edition XS.
Just got a pair of these. So far they are great, thanks for the heads up
At first I was mad that I heard about the XS literally days after buying Sundara, but then I saw the headband. Big single piece bands like that one (no matter how cushy) give my poor noggin' a big old pain.
Suspension headbands ftw!
I really like that Sith audio makes affordable stuff like the cable management nano-tape for entry level users like me. I feel that the carbon impregnated flex isolation strip really improves the speed and control of the lower mid and upper punch regions. My only problem is that I can't afford the measurement or segmentation tools for properly delineating the cable management material. I'm saving up to get that kit, but in the mean time I'm using my phone and a kitchen knife to create the cable management segments. I'm pretty sure I'm losing resolution because of that.
Thanks Sith Audio.
Truly one of the most innovative companies in the market right now
Why can't I find a website for Sith audio?
First time on this channel and I take it that you have been sponsored by an electrical tape?
Immediately subscribed
Of course, now they bring out the XS. Right after I just bought the Sundara. Story of my life.
Sundaras are great. I wouldn’t worry about it too much.
The xs are more versatile but the sundara are comfier and still excellent
Sundara is cheaper at least
Love the headphone stuff. Just started getting into them since I can listen when the kids go to bed and I absolutely love it. Loving the Sundaras, but you know how the chase goes.
just ordered a pair on sale, hyped!
@@shadowace104 are you happy with them?
I got mine about three weeks ago and I think they are great! On the forums there has been a discussion about whether they need an absurd amount of power or not. I drive them both from an iPhone and from the L50 and I find them equally enjoyable. It would be great to have someone trying them on different amps!
I run them on the mt 602 and goddamm. They like a tube amp, bass is way punchier and still has lots of detail
"Audiophiles" will tell you need to buy a $1000 amp to enjoy your headphones, but the truth is, even $100 amps like the Schiit Heresy are more than enough to power 99% of headphones to their full potential. There's literally only two qualifiers for a good (non-tube) amp, and that's the amount of power it can supply and how little distortion it adds. The Heresy can output 3 WATTS of power with virtually 0 distortion. Cheap amps today made by reputable brands measure better and output more power than 10 year old flagship amps that cost over a grand in their time.
@@rainydaygirlz sorry for the stupid question, but can I just use the avr hp jack? It seems fine to me. thanks
@@rainydaygirlz The 'ASR' kind of measurements don't really result in any audible differences as amply illustrated by Andrew from 'The Headphone Show' in his video on SINAD and also as illustrated by Lachlan from 'The Passion for Sound', Sandu from 'Sound News' and many other regular listeners as well.
What matters is the type of amplification used (class A, op amp, discreet etc) and the quality of components used in the gear.
If you can drive them from an iphone it makes me think I can use my ES100 in single ended mode and get away with it.
Thank you, man. Your work is fantastic. I just got this headphone and I really like it. My next step is to try to mess around with the EQ. Maybe to add some punch to upper middle range and reduce slightly something at the treble.
I currently own Sundaras and had Anandas. The Ananda was like the Sundara but THICC bass and a much wider soundstage but less impact overall. The sundara likes to image most things into the center and a bit close to the face, and then have left and right off at a 45. I'm thinking I'll get the Edition xs and get enough of the Ananda out of them but without the price tag. The Ananda's wider stage with greater depth and razer thin center image versus the blob of the Sundara was wonderful. The reason I returned them was because one of the cups was grinding on the frame above where it was held it to the headband, I immediately lost faith in the build.
I'm buying these based on your review. Thanks brother!
just bought these....already own a pair of lcdx and wanted something similar sounding for travel but only lighter and less expensive ...thanks for the reassurance
I'm listening on my XS right now and I'm one very happy person.
Just found this channel.. so refreshing to hear a down to earth review. Thanks dude
Very glad that you brought the sponsor back. But I guess she can’t please everybody! You’re getting very fancy in your pants. Love the reviews
Thanks for the headphone content. Anyone wanting for an affordable planar would definitely have the XS on the short list. In the same way, someone looking to buy would be asking themselves how it compares with the Sundara; so, the shootout is right on target. I liked the video.
I spent a lot of money on a pair of headphones once and felt guilty at the time. That was back in the 90's. But I still have, and enjoy, my HD-600's so it was money well spent!!!
dude i did the same in 2007....we made good choices my friend
I bought my HD-600 back in 1997 ... They are 24 years old now and still going strong, so that money was REALLY well spent ..
Thanks for mentioning the Dan Clark headphones. It's a useful comparison considering the price brackets
Feeling validated by my purchase let's gooooo
i got one for Christmas and i agree with every single word you said.I love em! 😀
150hrs break-in is what they recommend. I love my Edition XX and never understood the criticisms. The XS is better yet and I can hardly imagine better than XX already. Even my XX smoked the Sundara in my mind.
Seems reasonable
I own the XS and the Sundara. I'm loving the XS and was honestly never blown away by the Sundara.
@@cheapaudioman So you believe in burn in?
Where can I find this recommendation? And have you seen the scientific evidence against burn in?
@@thrywyn my comment about seeming reasonable was sarcastic. As far as burn in goes I’ll run things for a couple of days or speakers for a couple of weeks in the bedroom before I review. Some things sound exactly the same. Other stuff does break in. Meze Rai solo and Elac Unifi 2.0 are the two items that changed the most radically. I don’t have any scientific evidence to back that up. Just my experience and I’m not going to argue about it.
I have the Ananda and it's just perfect! I'm curious to compare those two, but it seem that the XS is a cheaper version of the Ananda, mean the same sound for less money. Good for customers!
I also have the Ananda and the I think the same!:-)
Are you sure it's the same sound as the Ananda?
@@Viettzz Never listened the Xs, but the specs looks the same. Ananda: 8-55kHz, 103dB; XS: 8-50kHz; 92dB.
For half the price, the XS is a good deal, but he Ananda is very efficient (sensivity).
The specs are very different, just look at the sensitivity. This needs around 10x the power of the Ananda, it really needs a headphone amp. Many other headphones have similar quoted frequency ranges but that's not very meaningful. Sound though IS quite similar, XS has better bass extension and is more forward. Ananda can sound more smooth. Ananda has slightly better soundstage. Fit for me is much better on the Ananda, the XS is very loose. Much looser than the HE400SE which has the same headband. XS is definitely competitive with the Ananda sound-wise but I don't think you need to rush out and buy it if you already have the Ananda, it's relatively subtle differences- and it's not all one-sided, the Ananda is still better in some ways, the Edition XS in others.
Also, it's not really half the price. Ananda is $599 now, this is $499 (US pricing). In China, they're both even cheaper, Ananda is around $450-470 in China, this is around $360-390. So it's just a little less. They made the saving in the packaging (no faux leather box), the cable (simple rubbery cable, I actually think better than the Ananda but it's more simple), the headband (worse IMO than the Ananda). I don't think they skimped on the drivers, they are certainly competitive.
@@Viettzz its worse than ananda
Excellent review. Have been thinking of getting an open-back headphones. Probably will get XS in the near future.
Randy you are literally the first person to name metallica or any rock/metal group in an audiophile video I have yet seen and I love you for it, Bass Matters... Period. as a long term metal head and rock listener I can never get the boom of my guitar cab to sound right on all these so called 'HiFi headphones'. It's not really HiFi if the sound spectrum is incomplete is it? It can be better for one thing or the other but compared to something like a studio monitor that we mix on, being a complete frequency response and being fun is more important than just being good at some one thing for me. Reviewers should be more considerate of a majority of house/electro and metal/rock listeners as well because for the longest time I changed gear not having the slightest idea which one would suit my tastes best until I was already out of money on that piece of gear.
Thanks for the review! On the market for a pair. Question. I also listened to Senneisers HD650’s. Is it fair to compare them? I think I’ll purchase either one of these. Any thoughts or tips? Sorry to bother
listening on these brilliant headphones. thank you randy
I picked up my xs for 63 brand new. So stoked !!!!!!
Just ordered these with a balanced cable to hook to my ifi zen dac V2. Can't wait to hear them.
@George Petroff
Hi from INDIA.
I also have zen dac v2 and am planning to buy Xs. How is the combination? is the V2 power sufficient for Xs ?
Please reply me.
Amen to these. Had mine for about a month now and they are fantastic. They're trading punches with my Modhouse T60RPs in a few areas, but excel in others. Love em.
how would you compare the soundstage to T60RPs? are they any wider?
@@Tuncakinguc I would put the XS as wider, but not by a ton. Sub-bass is definitely deeper and harder on the XS.
XS are the cats meow! Huge upgrade over Sundara’s. Everything comes to life even more. Powered by SMSL SU-9 and Topping A90. Inspiring, immersive sound stage, rich bottom end. I do have to eq 12khz for some female vocals to tame a bit of sizzle Andrew talks about. Comfort level cannot be underestimated over Sundaras. Took Cheapaudiomans reco and went for the XS. Dead on assessment. Rather than use the technical descriptions you often hear. I will use emotional verbiage. XS opens the door to a new portal to sonic nervana. The roof lifts open on your listening experience. Fun expands to wonder and audio joy. I now have a seat in the inner circle of the recording studio. Every note, every vocal nuance, every piano tickle (Joe Sample or Eliane Elias) bass punch, it’s a different world. More than ear candy, sonic bliss!
Hi i have ifi zen dac v2 Dac/Amp which gives around 320 milli watt.
I have two options:
1. Adding ifi zen can dedicated amp + edition xs to the existing Dac/amp
2 adding Ananda to existing Dac/Amp without dedicated Amp.
Xs + zen can amp costs me same as the Ananda alone.
Help me please.
@@gamingandmusic9217I‘m devastated that no one answered you. Did you find a solution?
@@FabioGrenkh oh! That was 2 years back.
In these 2 years, i used Xs with zen dac + amp.
Later upgraded to XS+ topping E70 dac + Topping A90D amp.
Later moved to hifiman He100 SE. Then added Burson soloist 3X grant tourer amp.
Later upgraded to Gustard R26 Dac. Next added Gustard U18 DDC.
Now I'm using:
Gustard U18 --> hdmi IIS -->Gustard R26 --> balanced Xlr interconnect --> Burson soloist 3X grant tourer --> Balanced xlr headphone cables --> Hifiman HE1000 SE.
@@gamingandmusic9217 Damn, that’s quite the journey 😅 I‘m currently trying out a few things with the Xs and don’t really now which Amp/Dac I should use. I have the Apple 3.5 to lightning dongle and the Qudelix 5k and I can hear absolutely no difference between them. So now I have my eyes set on the Topping A50 III. Would you say that’ll improve sound quality?
@@FabioGrenkh amps make more difference than Dacs in general. get ifi zen dac3 if you are in budget. if you can stretch your budget, go for some budget topping stack.
Dude I bought an SMSL DA9 after your recommendation so I know I can trust you on headphones when you tell me the soundstage is Whoa!
Looking at the they look sturdier than other (more expensive) Hifiman. Great review, thank you for sharing
I want these headphones! Saving up for them
Great review Randy. They don't have to be perfect to be perfect for you.
I'd love to know what you think about Avantone planars. They compete in price and I like em soundwise. Cheers
I need to check those out
@@cheapaudioman Thing is, I don't think that they are great for metal. I love em for jazz, classic, rock and voices are especially gorgeous but for Metal Hardrock and punchier music in general I never found harder hitting headphones then my RP 60s. The 60s creak horribly but I love em anyway.
The Planars are the best headphones I ever heard when it comes to "beautiful" music.
I hope that wasn't to detailed : )
Totally agree, with Oratory EQ they perform phenomenally ~ Audeze LCD-X levels and it's US made
Awesome headphones, I just got around to reviewing them. Enjoyed seeing your assessment
I did get hot spots on top from the edition XS but all I had to do was get an extra HD600 headband cushion (knock off one worked good) and 3 velvro straps to keep it in place. Little bending of the yolks to get more side clamp and these feel almost as close to my HD6XX for comfort as I think I can get them.
Wondering if you’ve ever changed your cables on that set?
I bought the Silver Dragon from Moon Audio.
I got these about a year ago, the XS is still my endgame . I have it paired with a monolith dac/amp combo with EQ. Or portable Fiio BTR7 DAP and balanced cables.
Literally just sat down with my cup of coffee... I think I WILL talk about the Hifiman Edition XS.
I shouldn't have watched this... damnit... take my money...
Hey man really love the video but could you do me a favor? Can you do a three-way shootout of the XS, Sundaras, and the 4xx. I'm having a hard time with these headphones. I own all three but I would like to hear your take on them
Will these pair well with BiFrost/Jotenheim? I can’t consider other gear yet. Currently using Sundaras with the above. It may be my ears but something seems missing 🤷🏻♂️ maybe I should keep the Sundaras and change sac/amp 😆
Great review, as always! Great sponsor as well, not like some companies that sell snake oil for a giant mark-up.
Finally a video for HFM EXS
How do the XS compare to the Beyerdynamic dt 1990
Hi i have ifi zen dac v2 Dac/Amp which gives around 320 milli watt.
I have two options:
1. Adding ifi zen can dedicated amp + edition xs to the existing Dac/amp
2 adding Ananda to existing Dac/Amp without dedicated Amp.
Xs + zen can amp costs me same as the Ananda alone.
Man usually I agree with you but when you can get he560v4 for 250 less or the he6se for 500 (both have this headband)pretty regularly (if you already have a beefy amp sitting around)...it's hard to rec these at retail. was able to a/b one against my personal 560v4 on a Magnius stack and they still lack the sub bass extension that the 560 has (they also don't necessarily sound wider to me... Perhaps a bit more verticality, but definitely not much deeper to my ear)
Of course if you don't have a powerful amp, or don't want one, this may be a better option as it should play really nicely with a lot of the lower power options and even portables on the market.
I was looking at the the HE560 ($229) and SMSL SP200 ($140). That’s $160 less than just the XS. I can put that towards a decent DAC.
@@jmm2226 yeah that should be a fine pairing.
As long as you aren't concerned with going balanced (it's not truly balanced...though the xlr out does measure better than the se).
I have a friend that grabbed one when he decided to get into desktop audio and it seems nice enough. I just can't get over the canted design lol.
I have the HE560v1 and the bass is a bit underwhelming even with an Asgard 3 or Jot 2. What are you driving your v4s with? And did the bass get a boost in the HE560 somewhere between v1 and v4?
@@edwarddodge7937 it's not a bassy headphone. Very neutral. The sub bass extension however dips down confidently past 20hz, as in it can play those tones where some headphones can't with as much authority. It does not however, add anything to the bass(but represents the mix as it was recorded). Daily driver is a Magnius and Modius.
Where on earth can you get an HE560 for $250? I thought they were close to $900..
I have a set if Hifiman Ananda's that I got from Amazon for $599 a few weeks ago. That has been the pricing for the Ananda's the last month or so. I am still under the return window with the Ananda's but i only have 2 more weeks. Anyone out there with thoughts of the Edition XS compared to the Ananda's. Really enjoying the Ananda's either way but i think i would enjoy that headband more...? Had the Sundara's but just didn't enjoy the weight or the round cups. Sounded nice though but the Ananda's won (for me) out so i sent the Sundara's back.
But the XS compare it with the ananda and keep the one you like.
Curious what you think of NAD C 298 - it’s not exactly cheap but the specs to $$$ look really great and would like to hear your impressions
How about for critical listening, recording/tracking? Is the tuning too "tweaked"?
Elephant in the room: is it worth paying 3 times the price for the Arya Stealth version when the Edition XS exists?
So they are cooler than Sundara but also warmer and then warmer but then cooler? Got it.
Great listening to all genres from the Hip Dac 2 plugged into my Dell. Superb value for midfi enjoyment.
Dear HiFiman. Please stop. I just bought HE400SE and now I want these 😭
I don't think these are that great TBH. I wouldn't buy them again, personally. To my ears they don't sound all that clear, like there's quite a bit of earcup resonance. Like he said sibilance and the bass isn't well controlled. And I got them for $269 on Amazon- not worth it to me.
@@kohnfutner9637 ur in the minority
@@kohnfutner9637 do the XS have thumpy bass?
@@kohnfutner9637 would u say that for the sundara
@@kohnfutner9637he said it was the dac he was using causing the issues tho
Just bought these from Amazon UK at a fantastic price with a case.
The only thing is, if there wasn't a mod for the headband, I would have had to send them back as they just didn't fit, they're huge! I have an average sized head, but they just dropped when placed on my head! The mod now makes them perfect, just a shame it's necessary.
This headphone definitely was on my candidate list. However, I ended up picking up the Sennheiser HD600 since they suit my library of classical music very well and often go on sale. You can get one new or good condition used for under $300 easily. Got mine new for $275.
hi have you test some newest rnb song like sza or the weeknd in hd600? how its sound?
I bought one for 247 euros, what a great deal, I'm listen it with the Ifi zen stack, wich were great with the HD600 but for the XS I think it's not the better choice, maybe another gear?
I am using the headphone amp qudelix (approx. 100 bucks) to drive the sundara. I love it.
Great review! Ninja neodymium magnets are the Cobra Kai of magnets.
I've had them for over a month and a half now - I love em. A great compliment to my Focal Elexes.
And yeah, these two are my endgame. Nuff said.
PS: I think my ears match with CheapAudioMan's - I feel just the same with these! I've stopped looking for cans now, myself.
What are the diffs between them? The Elex are my best open back set and I use the Ether CX for closed back. I have an old HiFiMan HE-560 v1 that is as clear and open as the Elex, but is also without the punch and without the bass, even when connected balanced to a Jot 2.
@@edwarddodge7937 well the XS have a larger scale to the round Hifimans (I have the he400i and he4xx for comparison). I mean the XS are not miles ahead (I don't believe in the night and day schools of thought), but somehow the egg shaped Hifimans in general, and this in particular, do it almost right in every way, including good and more present sub bass. How they differ from the Elex is that they Elex are more punchy and dynamic, whereas the XS are yet even more open and have a much bigger soundstage, and a bit more relaxed, like Randy said... U curve. The Elex may feel a bit more detailed, yet the XS are much less agressive and offensive. The timber is good on both but a bit more natural on the XS. And the XS really are the least offensive in my stable, and never fatiguing. Never. They're mellow, relaxed. Occasionally, they may feel like having more relaxed mids, so that's not their best feature, but I'm ok with relaxed mids. The Elex has more detail and forward mids. These are laid back. I think the Elex may have more bass. But the XS seems to me about the best planar sound at this price. In my mind, these don't quite best each other out, but rather the best of both worlds.
TL;DR, just follow Randy on what he says here. He's saying it better.
@@divinginthedeep Thanks, you just answered all my questions.
Elex has more detail, forward mids. & may have more bass.
I'm still in the honeymoon phase with my elex.
@@deadline7610 yes... I mean people may have some QC complaints with the Elex (I have none personally, drivers never clipped nor failed), so besides that... Elex truly are something indeed. Stage could have been better, but imaging compensates for that well enough. Brilliant headphones. Can't be wronged.
@@divinginthedeep I remember before my Sundara purchase people were talking about HiFiman QC.
Did you get a chance to try the elex with tubes ? I'm curious.
The xduoo 602 sounded interesting as an entry point.
Thanks
Hello sir great review, may I ask what are the good recommended Amp/Dac combos to go with this pair of headphones, my setup is PC and budget is around $800. Ty !!
Hi, im a total newbie in headphone.
Can a bluesound NODE drive this headphone well?!!
Hi Randy can you review some Audio-Technica headphones?
XS or Ananda Stealth (V3), many people say they sound very similar, but the bass is just more prominent on XS compared to Ananda.
Dangit Randy, I bought these after watching your review. I tend to prefer a warmer sound signature so I will try them with my Xduoo MT602's. I'm currently using the Sennheiser 560s for music and gaming. How do you think they will hold up in comparison? Cheers!
So how's the comparison to 560s?
@@citizenuk I haven't received them yet as I put in the order yesterday but I will update asap! Perhaps Mr. cheapaudioman can chime in?
@@citizenuk Sorry for the delayed response. I wanted to get a fair amount of time in with these headphones before commenting. Okay so, if you are in the market for a pair of headphones and 500 dollars is not a big stretch for your hobby then I would definitely get these. The clarity, detail, soundstage, imaging, bass, weight, and comfort are quite impressive. It was a little weird getting used to them at first coming from the 560s because the XS feel a lot looser and relaxed on your head. I actually hated the way they felt as a first impression. The 560s have a much more athletic fit (if that makes any sense). After putting in the time with the Hifiman I very much got used to the fit and feel. I initially tried these headphones with my mt-602 hybrid tube amp and thought the headphones were an improvement but wasn't sure if I wanted to keep the much more expensive headphone as I was pretty satisfied with my 560s. However, I thought I would use my Schiit Magni amp (using Schiit Modi DAC) and at the moment I realized I must keep these headphones. The detail, speed, impact, and separation of these headphones really came to life. I was a bit surprised as I much preferred my MT-602 amp in the past. I believe this is because these are planar headphones vs dynamic as many might note. Last night was my Friday and wanted to go to bed to catch up on some lost sleep. I made the mistake of putting on some FLAC music files and ended up staying up a couple more hours. As far as sound signature/timbre goes, they provide amazing clarity and detail but are coated with a little smoothness or silk if you will. I've heard some people say the vocals sound a little recessed and they would eq the headphones to fix that. I would agree that I initially thought that to be true but I either got used to the vocals or they just needed time to be broken in (if you believe that is a thing).
So music and movies sound great but what about FPS gaming compared to the 560s? Well, I think both of these headphones perform on a top tier competitive level. The 560s might be a little less fatiguing but the Hifiman XS has a slight edge in almost all areas. Bigger sound stage, better imaging, more detail and separation. Will these headphones make you a better player? That is up for debate. I've been able to reach Diamond in Apex Legends both splits this season with the 560s in split 1 and the Hifiman XS split 2, respectively. Again the XS might have a slight edge and I'll be primarily if not exclusively using my XS headphones if I want to waste more of my time trying to push to Masters.
Looks like the cheapaudioman can be trusted as what he described all appears to be true to my ears. When I put on my 560s it now sounds a little nasally, lacking clarity and detail. I can't see myself needing or wanting to "upgrade" my headphones for a long time. Perhaps I can now focus on wasting my money on a proper speaker amp or hurting myself on a more dangerous motorcycle. Cheers.
PS as a little background, I have tried the PC38x and would recommend the 560s as I found them just as good for gaming but quite a bit better for music and movies/media. I bought the Sundara's as one of my best friends love them but returned them right away. The detail and clarity was great but there was absolutely no body to them to my ears. They sounded very clinical and analytical but mostly empty which are not necessary bad things but I required a lot more flavor and punch. It actually made me think that I wasn't geared towards being an "audiophile" as so many have high regard for this headphone including one of my best mates. As many know, sound is very personal but I can't see anyone disliking the Hifiman XS as they seem to excel in all the right areas. I do wish they looked a little more modern/cooler but they are fine design wise and I am here for the experience the headphone provides me.
@@derekd4349 he he returned my Sandaras as well, didnt like the sound signature as much.
Do these sound Metalic like Sundara ? Any Planar that sounds Organic like HD6 line ?
So, Randy curios which, if you know, which version of the Highfiman is Jason Stiddard useing for his floor staff. As l heard him comment they take a lick'n and keep on ticking. The reason l ask is the 3 out of 10 reviews at Amazon were snarky on build quality. PS... U ever going to do a Powered Speaker Shot out with say the Klipsh 5's oh please...
Is there a good aftermarket brand for a cable for these? And what amp do you recommend for these? Under $500, hopefully.
Did you check out the drop + dan clark audio aeon closed x?
Great. With Fiio M11 plus is enough or need something powerfull?
Shoot, at that price, I might have to get 2 rolls of Sith Audio cable management system. Never have had the chance to listen to Planer headphones. 😔
These might be the HiFiMan missing link I am looking for - love the Sundara, but yeah, lacking that umpf low end. Using the Zen Signature. DAC for Headphone amp with HFM, so expecting good things
Damn, where did these new cans come from?! I wish I knew these were coming... I just bought a pair of Sundara's three weeks ago (which I love!), but I would have definitely given these a thought!!
I am curious how does the headphone compares to LCD 2C. Can't seem to find too many info regarding these comparisons.
How do you compare this with the Drop danclark open x?
very interesting, Can someone list what genres are best listened to on these? All rounder in an even better sense?
If you have one pair would you choose the xs or the 650? Paired with a k7. Thank you in advance.
Would these be an upgrade to the 560s?
Focal elegia next ?
The HIFIMAN edition-xs with Dekoni Audio Elite Sheepskin earpads is a match made in heaven for me especially For horror games and single player stuff Where I want to be a Engrossed in the world And earpads are actually made of REPREVE a soft lightweight and comfortable performance material with low isolation Made from high quality fibers from recycled materials including plastic bottles not nylon
hey everyone, great vid. Question is if anyone has them, how do they do with classical music and how do you think they compare with the HD660s. Tank everyone
Will we be seeing a full review of the smsl 6 stack soon?
Yes. Soon
I wonder how these compare next to the Focal Elex...
These are around £400 in UK on Amazon atm. Bargain. I’m so happy with the sound. I use the ifi go blu cabled to my iPhone and sounds perfect. The FiiO K5 Pro is not as good driving this as it is not powered.
Vs focal elegia? Which win in imaging?
How much better would a he6se be if properly powered?
What is the best, the best headphones no compromises any price
Review the Klipsch RB-81 II! It would amuse me. It would be cool to get your input.
1:56 wait the Sundaras are getting a stealth magnet update too? Who told you that?
What do you think of the m1070 compared to the edition xs?