The 4-blade should perform better in each of your scenarios versus the 3-blade. It is common practice to drop pitch swapping to the 4-blade. Glad you got it figured out.
Captain, again another great video. Your information and honesty goes along way. Many of us rather older or newer owners find your videos a treasure. I jave learned a lot and I must say not many on TH-cam would share this kind of information. Your insight, where to buy these items how to beware of what you are doing. I have watched tons of videos but yours share what the true boat owner needs and sometimes don't need to have a great experience. My husband and I are truly Blessed when we found your videos. You expresse the facts of boat ownership very well and those of us who are relearning the art again you have saved us so much more than money . Your Wise Advice is Priceless. Stay safe keep the videos coming God Bless you & your family for sharing all the information we need. Especially when traveling to different areas. Those Drone shots are awesome.
Captain I am happy you made this video because a lot of people been telling me to go a 4 blade I have a 3 blade on my boat now I am just going to stick with the same propeller I have now the 3 blade. Thank you for the update
Tip for changing props or hardware on a motor while on the water. Put an umbrella upside down under the motor and just tie the handle to the transom or lower unit.
You might want to consider calculating your prop slip once you get the lower pitched prop on. I was finally able to get mine to 7% prop slip at WOT, and 10% at 4,000 rpm, which is about as good as you can ask for. I record my speed at each 1,000 rpm interval all the way up to WOT, then use the prop slip calculation to calculate your prop slip. The less prop slip you have the more efficient your outboard will be. Just a suggestion of something you could check.
Love your content man, gives me motivation to go work on my boat... Last night after watching your auto pilot install and test I went out and rewired my GPS power, 12v power port, and led light system power supply. I've only got an 03 bayliner 185 but hope to one day have something like your crooked. Shout out from Longwood Florida, be safe out there cap.
That's awesome Justin we have to show our boats a lot of TLC and I'm glad you're doing it your boat with thank you out there in the water and Longwood with only about several miles away captain we're very close to Neighbors I have worked at Longwood. And thank you so much for being a valuable member of my channel that means alot Justin and navigate safe captain
@@OutOnTheReef I didn't realize you were in central Florida, I thought south. either way nice to meet you! In just 2 months since my purchase it has the 03 merc 3.0 w alpha one Gen 2, I did the impeller, anodes, new water intake hose since the old one had some hose bib cut into it and was leaking right on the drive shaft, I've acid washed it and started compounding and waxing, new blower (old had loud bearings), new vent grates, new vent lines, new deck drain lines, new sunpad shocks, put a shock on the glovebox, new opt7 rgbw led light system.. I have been putting off cutting my first holes for new speakers, I have all new factory mirror domed decal stickers and pin stripes to install and a new fuel pump I should install because I'm seeing some gas in the sight line. I've never been a mechanic and more of a tech guy but I'm making it work. ..i also just had an upholstery guy alter my mooring cover so my Bimini can stow up... I'm a details guy and just hope I don't end up with any big motor issues after I get her all dialed in, I really want to do some intercoastal and river run trips this summer with my wife and 10 year old, vhf also on the must list so we stay connected.
@@orlandothings2403 that is awesome Justin that's a lot of work you have done but you have saved a lot of money and is a relaxation to work on your boat I love working on my boat brings me a lot of peace and quiet. Hope the engine runs good and you have some great trips with your family great memories. Hopefully I'll see you one day out there on the water Captain navigate safe
Love the videos from Australia! I've had the exact same engine, on a Haines Signature 580. 5.8meter fiberglass sports boat, the perfect propeller ended up being a 14 1/4 diameter, 18 pitch. My new boat, a 25foot pilot house, has twin 175 yamahas, same engine as yours, de-rated power, and I have 3 blade 14 1/4 17 pitch. It's a very heavy boat, but perfectly propped. 15 inch propeller is way too big for the 2.8 4cyclinder. Consider reducing diameter to 14 1/4 and increasing pitch to 17. You'll be pleasantly surprised.
thanks cap for your awesome recommendation is very helpful i will keep it in mind as i purchase a new on in the future. thanks again cap. and navigate safe my friend.
Nah. You didn't look up his current 3 blade. It's 14 1/2 X 15. I wouldn't drop the diameter any with him carrying that much weight. It will increase the slip beyond reasonable due to the small diameter. Hmm, just ran the calc. He's only at 6% with the 3 blade 15 pitch so he has some room. You think I should tell him if he could gets those rpm's up to 6000 he could run 43mph?? No, I think he's trying to squeeze blood from a turnip. He's not going to get much better than he already is. Ideally he should drop the pitch of the 3 blade but not sure it's worth the expense. He just has an unusual combination of weight and power.
@@jamesmichael9883 yes that is very true Captain that's why it's hard for anybody to recommend a propeller because I carry so much weight on the boat and my pilothouse is different than any other center console thank you for the great suggestion and clarification you both are awesome yours that really mean to help🤗⚓🤙🏝🏖
I wish I could convince you to put a Permatrim on your motor. Yes, you have demonstrated the stern lift advantage and hole shot advantage of a 4 blade but also the need to change the size to get the RPM’s up. Parker’s are ass heavy and the Permatrim will provide more stern lift than a 4 blade, JMO. I’ve ran mine for 5 years now with the heavy ass older F225 on the back so I have first hand experience running it with and without a Permatrim. I also changed out the 12”x12” trim tabs with 12x18” tabs. Between the 2 mods I can hold plane at around 13 MPH, with the ability to stuff the bow down in a head sea chop. It’s made a huge difference in the capabilities of the boat. At high speed the Permatrim also eliminated the tendency for mine to porpose and have to drop the trim or drop the tabs to stop it. It also helped out with slow speed wandering and it tracks better. Out of all the mods that I’ve done, the Permatrim was one of the easiest, cheapest and most beneficial mods. It’s right up there with the Bimini and the AC😎. Just for another data point, I have the stock 15x17 3 blade and my WOT is 6K to 6,100 RPM’s and 42mph.
awesome info cap ,i like the upgrade idea of the 12X12 to 12x18 that is something i would do in the future, but you had to open new holes on the transom?
*** Not a valid test *** 4 Blade will out perform a 3 blade in every situation "EXCEPT" top end speed on a "LIGHT WEIGHT BOAT". Why... because a 4 blade prop has less slippage! In a lightly loaded boat with adequate power a 3 blade is a good choice. In a racing boat you will most often see 2 blade props used. Why... because slippage is not an issue and reduced prop surface drag is preferred. In a heavily loaded boat with a 3 blade prop, it is not uncommon to see 15 precent or more slippage. Slippage will allow a 3 blade to achieve higher RPMs (as in this video), but at lower fuel effeciency. By going with the correct 4 blade prop in a heavily loaded boat, (typically 2 degrees less pitch) you will notice a dramatically improved hole shot, ability to plane at a lower speed and improve gas mileage (typically around 5% to 10% better), with little or no loss in speed. Why... reduced slippage! Out On The Reef, please do this test again and include a 4 blade prop with 2 degrees less pitch..
Thank you captain for your awesome information the reason I did not try a smaller pitch 4 blade propeller is because they did not have anything smaller than that one cap.
I had a feeling that was going to happen. I was hoping not but now you know...... I had to try a lot of props before I found the right one for me..... Like you said everybody situation if different. Thanks for sharing! 😎👍
Thank you Dave for the update I really appreciate it and yes I heard the same thing July 1st and I did not know about the mask so that is awesome in the social distancing that's good to know well Captain hopefully we'll see you out there in the water thanks for the great info 👍👍👍⚓⚓🏝🏖
They the sharrow prop..is New design for boats like yours and minds.. I have a 97 pilot house may craft.. With A 200 E Tech.wow.. It performs outstanding hands down..
Woah. You actually have a Sharrow and are running it? You may be the first recreational customer in the world. Please post your test results here and on thehulltruth.com. You will get razed for the prop being worth more than the boat but just ignore the static.
Solas has a 'prop finder' on their website that takes into account the weight of the boat and everything on it, the boat length, what type of boat, engine mfg and HP, if you fill in all the information it will give you an accurate propellers that fit your info and it will estimate the correct pitch for each propeller on the list. As the weight of the boat increases the pitch has to decrease to keep the RPM's in the correct range.
Hi Capt.... I'm sorry you cannot use your new prop; I'd guess it is not returnable? You might be able to sell it to someone with a boat it would work on?... Thank you for posting!
@@OutOnTheReef This was NOT a failure.... It was an experiment that proved that it was not the best solution. That makes it a success.... And the best part is that you are willing to share the information with us.
The 4-blade prop will provide more transom lift. Since they don’t make a 4-blade prop with less pitch, perhaps talk to a quality prop shop or perhaps the prop manufacturer to see if the 4-blade prop you gave can be adjusted. Another great video! Thanks!
Thanks Mike gray suggestion but I try to contact the propeller company but they don't have a phone number it looks like they're very small company and it's hard to reach but thanks for your great suggestion
hi there again mr. cartoon Invisible Man I told you a couple of times before that you should get yourself for your outboard trim Wing so you can force the power of your engine where it's needed and your troubles will be over
Oh no that stinks. I was hoping I was wrong. 15 pitch is usually the cutoff in the bigger 100+ hp props. Looked at the Solas and Michigan where catalogs. Nothing smaller. Hopefully oem or Mercury makes one. If not. The lower gear case ratio needs to be changed. Or add 50+. Hp. Thanks for the vid.
Hello Captain, I have been following you for quite some time now and I finally got up the nerve to make the crossing to Bimini. I have been a boater for over thirty years. Ten years in Maryland and past 20 years in the Tampa Bay area. Bahamas is opening up slowly and I am looking forward to cross to Bimini following a couple of other boats. Since we are all first timers, I was wondering if you could give us some pointers like which marina to drop our boats into the water and where to park our trailers and trucks for safe keeping. I would really appreciate the info. By the way, I re-powered my Glacier Bay 27ft. last year with twin Suzuki 150's. And I had the same problem with the four-blade props. Once fueled up and loaded the three-blade prop performs much better. I thought it was because I had twin hulls. Now I see that the same is true for mono hull boats also. Thank you in advance for all the info you can give me. Stay safe and please more videos. :)
That is awesome that you want to do the cross and you will love it captain a marina that I can recommend you will be Crandon Marina at Biscayne Bay they have security there often I seen them there I think it's $16 per day to park your boat there and you can pay online so if you are in the Bahamas and you want to stay an extra day you can pay online through an app And when you arrive to the Bahamas you go to big game Marina and I'll help you there they're really good on helping you dock your boat. And you sound like you have a very good boat captain with twin engines and twin haul that is awesome for the waves. Have a great trip and hopefully I'll see you out there in the water captain and thank you for watching my channel navigate safe
@@OutOnTheReef Well I am sure you can sell it and get the majority of your money back. Its such a let down because that 4 blade stainless prop is such a thing of beauty its hard to look at it and imagine it not being better..lol. So I guess for now its back to the original 3 blade and go fishing for a while?
@@mvintrigue-trawlerdiy1101 yes Captain I feel the same way but for now I think the Bahamas sounds better option and then later in the future I'll try some other sizes smaller than this one but for now to the tropical waters LOL thanks for your comment
Another great video 👍 I have a question. I am looking to buy a new cooler and was wondering how do you like that cooler and how long does it hold ice for you?
Captain for watching and yes this cooler I got it because it was more comical than the yeti coolers A hole size over 5 to 6 days it depends how many times you open it now it's a little heavy because it has thick walls and I have the link in the description below just look at it and you'll find it through the list but I can tell you is that I really like mine and the price was just right
@@OutOnTheReef ima try a mercury fury 4x14.5x23 pitch prop on my merc 150 4 stroke if its to much prop ill give it to my uncle. Like i said im still learning about propping.
@@OutOnTheReef i have a 20x6 flat bottom aluminum boat with max rated hp on it and am currently running a 3x14.5x21pitch prop the prop is worn out. Gas mileage got horrible, along with prop being dinged up.
Hola Capitan ! Como te dije tengo exactamente el mismo Yamaha 200 mi barco tiene el mismo peso que el tuyo. Tengo montado la hélice Yamaha Reliance 14.5 x 14 y llego con full combustible y poca carga a 6000 RPM que me parece un poco alto. Ya voy a probar la hélice 14.5 x 15 para que baje RPM un poco . También tengo una 15.25 x 15 en Aluminio para probar. Siempre encantado te tus vídeos saludos y cuídense mucho !
Carlos muchas gracias por tu exelente sujerencias de corazon te doy las gracias, y eres un especial miembro de my cannal ,eso vale mucho,un abrazo capitan🤗🏝⚓
Hey Cap! Are you able to return or exchange that 4 blade? I bought one online years ago and the company was called PropMD. They asked me many questions about my boat and how I use it and what I wanted to accomplish. They sent me the perfect prop on the first try but had it not worked I could have exchanged it.
Figure out what your slip is and go from there. Have you gone to the llama have a website they can help you with your prop selection Based on all the information you can give them. You still have to get those RPMs up
4 blade prop= torque 3 blade= speed... 4 blade props are more for inshore shallow running boat that need a shallow water hull shot. You’ll loose speed on the top end but will be able to get up on plane quicker.
That's what I wanted it for but when I try the propeller without the load that I carry at work perfect loved it but once I fill up the tank and put the gear on the boat everything changed and it was hard to get back on plane it looks like I need to lower the pitch of the propeller and they do not sell a smaller pitch. Thanks for the great comment captain
Tremendas noticias cap.gracias. Por ahora no puedo usar la propella de 4 arpas porgue cuando pongo todo el peso la nave no quiere despequar, triste pero cierto, por ahora regresare a las 3 arpas
Out On The Reef yo en los suzukis probe las propelas 18-1/2 tremenda fuerza y economia de 1.5 mxg despues probe la 20-1/2 y no vi variacion en la velocidad pero con las 18-1/2 y las 20-1/2 cojia 6300 RPM “””””le tube que poner 21-1/2 y ahora cojo 5700 RPM y cuando estoy medio vacio hago hasta 1.8. mxg
Sorry you had to learn the expensive way. I think you should be able to get close to $300 out of the prop if you're patient. Especially in Florida. OK, you've already figured out you won't find a 13 pitch 4 blade. My gosh that boat must be heavy when loaded. If you can't turn the 15 pitch 3 blade over 5300 loaded you're still on the wrong end of the scale. I asked before if you still had the original Yamaha prop. I'd like to see the performance numbers on that and what prop it is if you still have it. I still say your best bet is a Yamaha Reliance SDS 15 pitch. Even at that, it's so expensive it would take a long time to make the money back in any potential fuel savings. Like never probably. Oh, as far as moving up to 225HP, there's another big consideration besides money. Weight. The big block V6's weigh 65 pounds more than the inline 4's. As heavy as your boat is, I'm not sure what another 65 pounds will do hung off the stern. The difference in torque between the two motors is pretty great so you'll see an improvement but not sure it will be enough to totally offset the weight and the cost. You'll be spending $20K on the V6 upgrade (minus the sale of the F200).
this video was made with the 3 blade Yamaha prop that came with the boat is very close to the solas wen it comes to performance cap. and you are right 65 extra pound hanging in the transom will make alot of weight and based on the money is not economical . thas James for you awesome suggestions cap they help alot. 👍👍
When going from a 3 blade to a 4 blade prop, you need to go down 1 or 2 pitch sizes. So I still think the 4 blade would be the better match for your boat, will keep the bow down and lift the stern, just go down 2 pitch sizes from the one you tried, which will get your rpms back up to the 5600 to 5800 range at WOT you need to be at.
@@OutOnTheReef You said you carry a spare pin but you need to carry the whole kit as much as you're changing props on the water. You don't have to buy the expensive Yamaha nut/washer/pin kit for a spare. The Chinese one on eBay works fine for that purpose. With all the stuff you've spent money on, another $30 or $40 is not a big hit.
Yeah, Capt that propellor picking is part science and part black magic. Lol. You can also change rpm by dropping diameter. Not just pitch. But it appears you’re on the right track. Tight lines
maybe also consider trimming your boat so that it is not nose up, and so that it is not listed to one side.... both conditions make your motor work harder. move your weight to the center of the boat
This is an odd comparison? He's running the boat HARD into the face of an obvious blowing sea, and he has it trimmed too high. All he's looking for is WOT for RPM recommendation.....really bad comparison. With the 3 blade obviously the RPM's will go up (and the fuel consumption as well...) 4 blades are for mid-range cruising, not WOT unless you have MEGA horsepower....you really don't care about fuel consumption in that case. My boat will run the WOT recommendation for the engine, but it'll suck fuel like a Formula boat......back it off to 2500 rpm's, and it kills a 3 blade every time. Solas 14x21 Rubex HR stainless steel on a 20' 2600# vee hull. Solas explained the extra performance is the stern lift pulling the hull up out of the water.....you can't trim that out with a 3 blade.
@@OutOnTheReef I'm sorry mate but I really mean it; its a question of time when you will start showing up with back problems. I really apreciate your effort and your videos but that boat its a complete fail; if it behaves like a jumping kanguru in almost flat sea conditions, imagine with rough seas... I would never swap my old and cheap Trophy 2502 for a brand new of "those" harsh jumpers! For your own health, I strongly advice you not to spend any more money on it and swap it for a nice and smooth sea hull with at least 20 degrees deadrise.
@@S4Fireblade1 thanks cap. I really appreciate your concern but do you know I have a $1200 seatchock chair So every time I hit a wave the chair tkes the impact And yes if I would not have this it would be terrible for my back I know that for a fact captain but this chair changes everything look it up And thanks for your reply captain
The 4-blade should perform better in each of your scenarios versus the 3-blade. It is common practice to drop pitch swapping to the 4-blade. Glad you got it figured out.
yes cap you are right is all about your rpms and my extra load is a lot, thanks for your suggestion cap.
Captain, again another great video. Your information and honesty goes along way. Many of us rather older or newer owners find your videos a treasure. I jave learned a lot and I must say not many on TH-cam would share this kind of information. Your insight, where to buy these items how to beware of what you are doing. I have watched tons of videos but yours share what the true boat owner needs and sometimes don't need to have a great experience. My husband and I are truly Blessed when we found your videos. You expresse the facts of boat ownership very well and those of us who are relearning the art again you have saved us so much more than money . Your Wise Advice is Priceless. Stay safe keep the videos coming God Bless you & your family for sharing all the information we need. Especially when traveling to different areas. Those Drone shots are awesome.
thank you so much Debra those words mean alot to me ,please say hello to your husband and thank you for being part of my channel, navigate safe 👍👍
Captain I am happy you made this video because a lot of people been telling me to go a 4 blade I have a 3 blade on my boat now I am just going to stick with the same propeller I have now the 3 blade. Thank you for the update
yes captain i had to show you the result ,i dont want you to wast your money like i did 😁👍
Tip for changing props or hardware on a motor while on the water. Put an umbrella upside down under the motor and just tie the handle to the transom or lower unit.
Thats a great idea cap. Thanks for sharing it 👍🏝
You might want to consider calculating your prop slip once you get the lower pitched prop on. I was finally able to get mine to 7% prop slip at WOT, and 10% at 4,000 rpm, which is about as good as you can ask for. I record my speed at each 1,000 rpm interval all the way up to WOT, then use the prop slip calculation to calculate your prop slip. The less prop slip you have the more efficient your outboard will be. Just a suggestion of something you could check.
thanks kevin great suggestion cap.
Why not show to stats for the 4 blade prop like you did with the 3 blade prop?
Good point cap thank for letting me know 👍
Love your content man, gives me motivation to go work on my boat... Last night after watching your auto pilot install and test I went out and rewired my GPS power, 12v power port, and led light system power supply. I've only got an 03 bayliner 185 but hope to one day have something like your crooked. Shout out from Longwood Florida, be safe out there cap.
That's awesome Justin we have to show our boats a lot of TLC and I'm glad you're doing it your boat with thank you out there in the water and Longwood with only about several miles away captain we're very close to Neighbors I have worked at Longwood. And thank you so much for being a valuable member of my channel that means alot Justin and navigate safe captain
@@OutOnTheReef I didn't realize you were in central Florida, I thought south. either way nice to meet you! In just 2 months since my purchase it has the 03 merc 3.0 w alpha one Gen 2, I did the impeller, anodes, new water intake hose since the old one had some hose bib cut into it and was leaking right on the drive shaft, I've acid washed it and started compounding and waxing, new blower (old had loud bearings), new vent grates, new vent lines, new deck drain lines, new sunpad shocks, put a shock on the glovebox, new opt7 rgbw led light system.. I have been putting off cutting my first holes for new speakers, I have all new factory mirror domed decal stickers and pin stripes to install and a new fuel pump I should install because I'm seeing some gas in the sight line. I've never been a mechanic and more of a tech guy but I'm making it work. ..i also just had an upholstery guy alter my mooring cover so my Bimini can stow up... I'm a details guy and just hope I don't end up with any big motor issues after I get her all dialed in, I really want to do some intercoastal and river run trips this summer with my wife and 10 year old, vhf also on the must list so we stay connected.
@@orlandothings2403 that is awesome Justin that's a lot of work you have done but you have saved a lot of money and is a relaxation to work on your boat I love working on my boat brings me a lot of peace and quiet.
Hope the engine runs good and you have some great trips with your family great memories.
Hopefully I'll see you one day out there on the water Captain navigate safe
Love the videos from Australia!
I've had the exact same engine, on a Haines Signature 580. 5.8meter fiberglass sports boat, the perfect propeller ended up being a 14 1/4 diameter, 18 pitch.
My new boat, a 25foot pilot house, has twin 175 yamahas, same engine as yours, de-rated power, and I have 3 blade 14 1/4 17 pitch. It's a very heavy boat, but perfectly propped.
15 inch propeller is way too big for the 2.8 4cyclinder. Consider reducing diameter to 14 1/4 and increasing pitch to 17. You'll be pleasantly surprised.
thanks cap for your awesome recommendation is very helpful i will keep it in mind as i purchase a new on in the future.
thanks again cap. and navigate safe my friend.
Nah. You didn't look up his current 3 blade. It's 14 1/2 X 15. I wouldn't drop the diameter any with him carrying that much weight. It will increase the slip beyond reasonable due to the small diameter. Hmm, just ran the calc. He's only at 6% with the 3 blade 15 pitch so he has some room. You think I should tell him if he could gets those rpm's up to 6000 he could run 43mph?? No, I think he's trying to squeeze blood from a turnip. He's not going to get much better than he already is. Ideally he should drop the pitch of the 3 blade but not sure it's worth the expense. He just has an unusual combination of weight and power.
@@jamesmichael9883 yes that is very true Captain that's why it's hard for anybody to recommend a propeller because I carry so much weight on the boat and my pilothouse is different than any other center console thank you for the great suggestion and clarification you both are awesome yours that really mean to help🤗⚓🤙🏝🏖
I wish I could convince you to put a Permatrim on your motor. Yes, you have demonstrated the stern lift advantage and hole shot advantage of a 4 blade but also the need to change the size to get the RPM’s up. Parker’s are ass heavy and the Permatrim will provide more stern lift than a 4 blade, JMO. I’ve ran mine for 5 years now with the heavy ass older F225 on the back so I have first hand experience running it with and without a Permatrim. I also changed out the 12”x12” trim tabs with 12x18” tabs. Between the 2 mods I can hold plane at around 13 MPH, with the ability to stuff the bow down in a head sea chop. It’s made a huge difference in the capabilities of the boat. At high speed the Permatrim also eliminated the tendency for mine to porpose and have to drop the trim or drop the tabs to stop it. It also helped out with slow speed wandering and it tracks better. Out of all the mods that I’ve done, the Permatrim was one of the easiest, cheapest and most beneficial mods. It’s right up there with the Bimini and the AC😎. Just for another data point, I have the stock 15x17 3 blade and my WOT is 6K to 6,100 RPM’s and 42mph.
awesome info cap ,i like the upgrade idea of the 12X12 to 12x18 that is something i would do in the future, but you had to open new holes on the transom?
what is the brand u are using Cap?
*** Not a valid test *** 4 Blade will out perform a 3 blade in every situation "EXCEPT" top end speed on a "LIGHT WEIGHT BOAT". Why... because a 4 blade prop has less slippage! In a lightly loaded boat with adequate power a 3 blade is a good choice. In a racing boat you will most often see 2 blade props used. Why... because slippage is not an issue and reduced prop surface drag is preferred. In a heavily loaded boat with a 3 blade prop, it is not uncommon to see 15 precent or more slippage. Slippage will allow a 3 blade to achieve higher RPMs (as in this video), but at lower fuel effeciency. By going with the correct 4 blade prop in a heavily loaded boat, (typically 2 degrees less pitch) you will notice a dramatically improved hole shot, ability to plane at a lower speed and improve gas mileage (typically around 5% to 10% better), with little or no loss in speed. Why... reduced slippage!
Out On The Reef, please do this test again and include a 4 blade prop with 2 degrees less pitch..
Thank you captain for your awesome information the reason I did not try a smaller pitch 4 blade propeller is because they did not have anything smaller than that one cap.
Great to see your channel today. Good information Capt. Thanks again
I had a feeling that was going to happen. I was hoping not but now you know...... I had to try a lot of props before I found the right one for me.....
Like you said everybody situation if different. Thanks for sharing! 😎👍
anytime cap we all learn from each other ,thanks for being part of my channel cap👍👍
Again, great video as always Capt. ✌️ Stay safe!!!
Glad you enjoyed it, thanks for watching cap.
Great job Capt. Cant wait to see the next video when you drop the pitch . Stay safe.
Thanks Len 😉🤙✌⚓
If you were closer I would let you try my prop if the shaft is the same on a 150 to your 200
@@lendaniels7348 really appreciate it Len you're awesome cap.
Great as always captain 👍, I hear Bimini is to open to visitors July 1st , no quarantine but face masks and distancing is a must,
Thank you Dave for the update I really appreciate it and yes I heard the same thing July 1st and I did not know about the mask so that is awesome in the social distancing that's good to know well Captain hopefully we'll see you out there in the water thanks for the great info
👍👍👍⚓⚓🏝🏖
They the sharrow prop..is New design for boats like yours and minds.. I have a 97 pilot house may craft.. With A 200 E Tech.wow.. It performs outstanding hands down..
Woah. You actually have a Sharrow and are running it? You may be the first recreational customer in the world. Please post your test results here and on thehulltruth.com. You will get razed for the prop being worth more than the boat but just ignore the static.
i seen them but i dont have one on hand they will coast $2000 whenever is available to the market
Solas has a 'prop finder' on their website that takes into account the weight of the boat and everything on it, the boat length, what type of boat, engine mfg and HP, if you fill in all the information it will give you an accurate propellers that fit your info and it will estimate the correct pitch for each propeller on the list. As the weight of the boat increases the pitch has to decrease to keep the RPM's in the correct range.
awesome , wen i went to their site probably was not in their website, thanks for letting us know cap. that is very useful
Great job captain now we know and most importantly u know and now your motor will work properly. Nav safe
thanks Will👍👍
Hi Capt.... I'm sorry you cannot use your new prop; I'd guess it is not returnable? You might be able to sell it to someone with a boat it would work on?... Thank you for posting!
thanks Andrew and you are right no returns but like you say i will sell to someone who needs it.
the good thing is we are learning😁👍
@@OutOnTheReef Yes, 'we' are learning, and you are teaching! And we thank you for that!
@@andrewfyakim525 😁 I tried to show the failures of my projects to LOL
@@OutOnTheReef This was NOT a failure.... It was an experiment that proved that it was not the best solution. That makes it a success....
And the best part is that you are willing to share the information with us.
@@andrewfyakim525 thanks cap. You sure know how to cheer up a captain. And you are right it was a experiment, i like that👨✈️⚓⚓
Great job capt!
thanks Nica👍👌
The 4-blade prop will provide more transom lift. Since they don’t make a 4-blade prop with less pitch, perhaps talk to a quality prop shop or perhaps the prop manufacturer to see if the 4-blade prop you gave can be adjusted. Another great video! Thanks!
Thanks Mike gray suggestion but I try to contact the propeller company but they don't have a phone number it looks like they're very small company and it's hard to reach but thanks for your great suggestion
hi there again mr. cartoon Invisible Man I told you a couple of times before that you should get yourself for your outboard trim Wing so you can force the power of your engine where it's needed and your troubles will be over
thanks Cap , for now i need to spend some time in the Bahamas to do some research lol 😉😁
@@OutOnTheReef Wings are to cure horrible boat/engine combinations. Yours is not. Don't waste your money. It's a 1970 solution.
U can also get the blades cupped more on any prop it will take away the cavitation
Thank you Chris that's another great idea thank you for your great suggestion
Oh no that stinks. I was hoping I was wrong. 15 pitch is usually the cutoff in the bigger 100+ hp props. Looked at the Solas and Michigan where catalogs. Nothing smaller. Hopefully oem or Mercury makes one. If not. The lower gear case ratio needs to be changed. Or add 50+. Hp. Thanks for the vid.
Thank you Captain and yes you're right I may have to look to other companies so I can get the right size prop thank you for your comment
Hello Captain, I have been following you for quite some time now and I finally got up the nerve to make the crossing to Bimini. I have been a boater for over thirty years. Ten years in Maryland and past 20 years in the Tampa Bay area. Bahamas is opening up slowly and I am looking forward to cross to Bimini following a couple of other boats. Since we are all first timers, I was wondering if you could give us some pointers like which marina to drop our boats into the water and where to park our trailers and trucks for safe keeping. I would really appreciate the info. By the way, I re-powered my Glacier Bay 27ft. last year with twin Suzuki 150's. And I had the same problem with the four-blade props. Once fueled up and loaded the three-blade prop performs much better. I thought it was because I had twin hulls. Now I see that the same is true for mono hull boats also. Thank you in advance for all the info you can give me. Stay safe and please more videos. :)
That is awesome that you want to do the cross and you will love it captain a marina that I can recommend you will be Crandon Marina at Biscayne Bay they have security there often I seen them there I think it's $16 per day to park your boat there and you can pay online so if you are in the Bahamas and you want to stay an extra day you can pay online through an app
And when you arrive to the Bahamas you go to big game Marina and I'll help you there they're really good on helping you dock your boat.
And you sound like you have a very good boat captain with twin engines and twin haul that is awesome for the waves.
Have a great trip and hopefully I'll see you out there in the water captain and thank you for watching my channel navigate safe
@@OutOnTheReef Thank you for the info Captain. You and your family stay safe also.
Well that stinks. Whats the next step? Can you return that 4 blade or exchange it for another spec?
i know it sucks, but with propellers once you used them there is no returns
but is ok we all learning here😉👍
one thing to do is get a smaller pitch
@@OutOnTheReef Well I am sure you can sell it and get the majority of your money back. Its such a let down because that 4 blade stainless prop is such a thing of beauty its hard to look at it and imagine it not being better..lol. So I guess for now its back to the original 3 blade and go fishing for a while?
@@mvintrigue-trawlerdiy1101 yes Captain I feel the same way but for now I think the Bahamas sounds better option and then later in the future I'll try some other sizes smaller than this one but for now to the tropical waters LOL thanks for your comment
Another great video 👍 I have a question. I am looking to buy a new cooler and was wondering how do you like that cooler and how long does it hold ice for you?
Captain for watching and yes this cooler I got it because it was more comical than the yeti coolers
A hole size over 5 to 6 days it depends how many times you open it now it's a little heavy because it has thick walls and I have the link in the description below just look at it and you'll find it through the list but I can tell you is that I really like mine and the price was just right
Ok awesome thank you captain. I will most likely buy it from your link. Thanks again for the reply 🍻
@@miguelnieves9926 thanks Miguel for your support y saludos de central Florida 🖐⚓⚓👍
Much love from Tampa fl ✊🏽🍻
Buen video Capt.👍👍👍
muchas gracias y saludos mi capitan 👍
..time to take the wife water skiing..lol...fine tuning a prop is always a pain specially when your load varies..good job..keep safe...
Thanks 👍Bob and yes you are right about that cap.
I do know that a 4 blade will work better for shallower waters,low end take off, and should do better for ocean waves!
That is definitely true But it's better to go down a couple of pitches on the propeller.👍👍 When you go to a four blade
@@OutOnTheReef ima try a mercury fury 4x14.5x23 pitch prop on my merc 150 4 stroke if its to much prop ill give it to my uncle. Like i said im still learning about propping.
@@edwardabrahamiii3742 is a learning process cap.👍⚓️
@@OutOnTheReef i have a 20x6 flat bottom aluminum boat with max rated hp on it and am currently running a 3x14.5x21pitch prop the prop is worn out. Gas mileage got horrible, along with prop being dinged up.
Hola Capitan ! Como te dije tengo exactamente el mismo Yamaha 200 mi barco tiene el mismo peso que el tuyo.
Tengo montado la hélice Yamaha Reliance 14.5 x 14 y llego con full combustible y poca carga a 6000 RPM que me parece un poco alto.
Ya voy a probar la hélice 14.5 x 15 para que baje RPM un poco . También tengo una 15.25 x 15 en Aluminio para probar.
Siempre encantado te tus vídeos saludos y cuídense mucho !
Carlos muchas gracias por tu exelente sujerencias de corazon te doy las gracias, y eres un especial miembro de my cannal ,eso vale mucho,un abrazo capitan🤗🏝⚓
nice trial stay safe captain
thanks captain and be safe you too cap.😉👍👍
Hey Cap! Are you able to return or exchange that 4 blade? I bought one online years ago and the company was called PropMD. They asked me many questions about my boat and how I use it and what I wanted to accomplish. They sent me the perfect prop on the first try but had it not worked I could have exchanged it.
That's awesome I will look into it to see if they can help me and thank you for the great suggestion captain Jim👍👍⚓
PropMD are the best! I have bought several from them and always top service
Correct the "WEN" WHEN !!!! 👌👌👌👌 Good video cap
Thanks 💯
Figure out what your slip is and go from there. Have you gone to the llama have a website they can help you with your prop selection Based on all the information you can give them. You still have to get those RPMs up
most defiantly cap i appreciate the great help cap.
how fast do you go carrying 200 kilos
27 mph cap at 4400 rpms
4 blade prop= torque 3 blade= speed... 4 blade props are more for inshore shallow running boat that need a shallow water hull shot. You’ll loose speed on the top end but will be able to get up on plane quicker.
That's what I wanted it for but when I try the propeller without the load that I carry at work perfect loved it but once I fill up the tank and put the gear on the boat everything changed and it was hard to get back on plane it looks like I need to lower the pitch of the propeller and they do not sell a smaller pitch.
Thanks for the great comment captain
Out On The Reef I love your videos brother, I wish I could get my boat out to Florida to do some fishing! Keep up the good work!
@@txcoastfishing1721 thanks cap.
Hope you can make it here ,we have great weather is hot now
You might want to consider calling "Prop Gods" they will send you props to test and help you acheive your goals.
thanks cap. i will keep in mind ,navigate safe
saludos capt ya el dia primero habren sin restricciones
cuando des el primer viaje a bimini con las cuatro aspas pon lo que te gastate en fuel comparado con la de tres aspas
Tremendas noticias cap.gracias.
Por ahora no puedo usar la propella de 4 arpas porgue cuando pongo todo el peso la nave no quiere despequar, triste pero cierto, por ahora regresare a las 3 arpas
Out On The Reef lo bueno hubiera sido que probaras un pict nas chiquito
@@DeepBlueChannelCom si es verdad pero no lo encuentro en 13 pitch ni 14 pitch 😔🏝🏖
Out On The Reef yo en los suzukis probe las propelas 18-1/2 tremenda fuerza y economia de 1.5 mxg despues probe la 20-1/2 y no vi variacion en la velocidad pero con las 18-1/2 y las 20-1/2 cojia 6300 RPM “””””le tube que poner 21-1/2 y ahora cojo 5700 RPM y cuando estoy medio vacio hago hasta 1.8. mxg
Im still tryn learn about propping!
Yes theengine RPM are the key to shose a propeller
Sorry you had to learn the expensive way. I think you should be able to get close to $300 out of the prop if you're patient. Especially in Florida.
OK, you've already figured out you won't find a 13 pitch 4 blade.
My gosh that boat must be heavy when loaded. If you can't turn the 15 pitch 3 blade over 5300 loaded you're still on the wrong end of the scale.
I asked before if you still had the original Yamaha prop. I'd like to see the performance numbers on that and what prop it is if you still have it. I still say your best bet is a Yamaha Reliance SDS 15 pitch. Even at that, it's so expensive it would take a long time to make the money back in any potential fuel savings. Like never probably.
Oh, as far as moving up to 225HP, there's another big consideration besides money. Weight. The big block V6's weigh 65 pounds more than the inline 4's. As heavy as your boat is, I'm not sure what another 65 pounds will do hung off the stern. The difference in torque between the two motors is pretty great so you'll see an improvement but not sure it will be enough to totally offset the weight and the cost. You'll be spending $20K on the V6 upgrade (minus the sale of the F200).
this video was made with the 3 blade Yamaha prop that came with the boat is very close to the solas wen it comes to performance cap. and you are right 65 extra pound hanging in the transom will make alot of weight and based on the money is not economical .
thas James for you awesome suggestions cap they help alot. 👍👍
When going from a 3 blade to a 4 blade prop, you need to go down 1 or 2 pitch sizes.
So I still think the 4 blade would be the better match for your boat, will keep the bow down and lift the stern, just go down 2 pitch sizes from the one you tried, which will get your rpms back up to the 5600 to 5800 range at WOT you need to be at.
Yes very true I need to go down to pitch but is very hard to find a 13 pitch 14 and a half blade propeller
@Twin Turbine great idea captain you think by cutting the propellers down a little bit will help?
@Twin Turbine Captain what would you recommend me cutting off the plate like a quarter of an inch on each blade
The four blade should give you better control you need to lower Diameter in the lower pitch you will lose a little top end
that is true John i tried to get a smaller one but they dont have it available cap.
Can you put racing propeller in it?
No because it will mess up the RPMs of the engine captain
You still need to drop prop size with your 3 blade, you really want to be achieving 5700 to 6000 rpm at wot
very true cap that is why now i have downsize my prop, thanks for your suggestion cap.😉👍⚓
Buy a floating prop wrench and always keep a extra prop on board!
very true cap thanks
@@OutOnTheReef You said you carry a spare pin but you need to carry the whole kit as much as you're changing props on the water. You don't have to buy the expensive Yamaha nut/washer/pin kit for a spare. The Chinese one on eBay works fine for that purpose. With all the stuff you've spent money on, another $30 or $40 is not a big hit.
@@jamesmichael9883 very true Cap. I will buy a kid soon i really need one.
Thanks for the heads up Cap. 😉🤙
Yeah, Capt that propellor picking is part science and part black magic. Lol. You can also change rpm by dropping diameter. Not just pitch. But it appears you’re on the right track. Tight lines
true thanks Juan for now planning for future bahamas trips, thanks for watching cap.
does decreasing diameter increase rpm? or the other way around? trying to figure this out for a while
My honest opinion.. a 4 blade works better on a inboard. More torque.
Thank you Marty
Appreciate your input
I'll buy it now much
lol thanks cap . thanks for your support
Why not just get tilt transom trim tabs.
i have them already is just i carry a lot of weight in the back of the boat . and this boat without extended transom they operate this way.
Your in my neck of the woods.port Canaveral.
i have not been here in about 3 years , soon i will show you how i did fishing here cap.
hae a great day Cap.
Ummm...
Pitch and Diameter aren't really addressed here. That's a bigger issue than 4 vs 3 blade. Pretty vague vid
Lol thanks cap.😅👨✈️👍
@@OutOnTheReef Ex Coast Guard Captain, so you would be correct. :)
@@Bubbles99718 awesome i have much respect for the Coast Guard , thaks for your past service👨✈️👍
hello captain, is Bimini open for visitors
hello Rich , last i herd binning of July but it could take longer cap.
maybe also consider trimming your boat so that it is not nose up, and so that it is not listed to one side.... both conditions make your motor work harder. move your weight to the center of the boat
you are right to move weith to the front and i already done all that Cap and still have a lot of weight in the back
This is an odd comparison? He's running the boat HARD into the face of an obvious blowing sea, and he has it trimmed too high. All he's looking for is WOT for RPM recommendation.....really bad comparison. With the 3 blade obviously the RPM's will go up (and the fuel consumption as well...)
4 blades are for mid-range cruising, not WOT unless you have MEGA horsepower....you really don't care about fuel consumption in that case. My boat will run the WOT recommendation for the engine, but it'll suck fuel like a Formula boat......back it off to 2500 rpm's, and it kills a 3 blade every time.
Solas 14x21 Rubex HR stainless steel on a 20' 2600# vee hull. Solas explained the extra performance is the stern lift pulling the hull up out of the water.....you can't trim that out with a 3 blade.
thanks for the great info cap.
Your boat sucks; its a spine killer! Sell that crap!!!
i will sell it to you cap 50% discounted 😉👍
@@OutOnTheReef I'm sorry mate but I really mean it; its a question of time when you will start showing up with back problems. I really apreciate your effort and your videos but that boat its a complete fail; if it behaves like a jumping kanguru in almost flat sea conditions, imagine with rough seas... I would never swap my old and cheap Trophy 2502 for a brand new of "those" harsh jumpers! For your own health, I strongly advice you not to spend any more money on it and swap it for a nice and smooth sea hull with at least 20 degrees deadrise.
@@S4Fireblade1 thanks cap. I really appreciate your concern but do you know I have a $1200 seatchock chair So every time I hit a wave the chair tkes the impact And yes if I would not have this it would be terrible for my back I know that for a fact captain but this chair changes everything look it up And thanks for your reply captain