I have the 10 inch Delta Cruzer, and the Ridgid sliding miters are the same machine, basically. I bought it because I have limited space and this design uses way less space. I have found it to be very accurate if I take my time and am careful not to introduce any deflection myself. I replaced the stock blade with a Freud Diablo 80 tooth and the cuts are butter smooth. I often will cut 4 or more boards at the same time for accuracy and it powers through them with ease. These are just my observations, and in my opinion it is an excellent saw. However, YMMV, and this is the only sliding miter I have owned so I have nothing to compare it to. One thing about the hold-down clamp-If you push the support rod to one side you can lift it right up or push it down quickly, without using the threads. Then tighten it down by turning the threaded knob.
Ridgid tools are/were manufactured by Emerson tool company, these Ridgid NEXT tools are apparently contracted now through Chang Type Industrial Industrial (Delta). I purchased the 2nd gen Delta of this saw model 26-2251 which I returned within 3 days due to the blade deflection as you precisely described. I desperately wanted to find this saw perfect and LOVED the smoothness of the arms, But as you described when it comes to finish carpentry, you cannot have any blade deflection maybe during rough cuts of framing lumber and even that's pushing it. The harder the wood the more deflection also. They need to correct this issue or this saw is no better than a boat anchor. BEST REVIEW ON TH-cam. Thank you.
Nice review. I have Festool Kapex and yes it has a good clamp system, but dust collection is outstanding. I am not kidding when I say that it pays for itself because of time I save on cleanup. The Festool is insanely accurate and repeatable. Easy saw blade changes, trench cuts a super simple adjustments.
I have the Delta Cruiser 10" model. It was a pretty good review. You did however leave something out. When you remove the fences, there are two swing away brackets that turn into makeshift fences. Flip them to the rear, and put a 2x4 on the base, and you effectively extend the cross cut capacity of the saw by a few inches. Very handy.
Mayonnaise. Don't have a question just wanted to let you know that I saw this review in it's entirety and it was fantastic. You covered just about every question I or anyone else could have asked. Two thumbs up Eric.
Mayonnaise. Excellent honest review, and spot on. I have owned the Delta Cruzer 12” version for a couple of years now and wish I’d seen a review like this before buying it. The dust collection does really suck!…even for a miter saw. And the deflection is bad and very irritating. Like you said, for accurate precision cuts I now always use my table saw and quality miter gauge. Thanks!
Your review is the same as my friend discovered with her saw kerf movement. Cuts were off even with a stop block being used. They were very sad and returned the saw.
Mayonnaise. I liked the video. I have a Ryobi Miter saw and I went through the same process with that saw. What I found was that in normal use with normal pressure there is a 1/16" deflection. I was surprised because my previous Ryobi non-sliding miter saw had 0 deflection. I took it in to the Ryobi repair facility and they said that was in tolerance. As you said in the video sliding miter saws will have some deflection because of the nature of the tool. It all depends on how much you want to spend. Delta sells a Miter saw with a similar configuration as the Rigid you reviewed with a similar amount of deflection. I think the multiple hinge design introduces errors. I decided not to buy the Delta, though I have many other Delta tools, because of that review. Please keep the videos coming.
Mayonnaise, I bought a Ridgid about 3 months ago and I haven't been able to use it yet because I live in a cold climate and I don't have a heated garage yet, so I want to still believe I got a great Miter Saw at a great price. No, it's not a Festool but no saw compares to Festool, I did like your review of the saw it gives me a way to correct problems the saw has so, I want to thank you for that. I enjoyed your review, very fair conclusion.
Mayonnaise a lot of people talking about Mayonnaise. I didn't understand what was going on until the end of the video...I have the regular 12 inch sliding DeWalt and got curious so I tested it. When it's at zero, it takes all my weight to get the blade to deflect. At full extension it only deflected maybe 1/8 inch with a decent amount of force. Also, my first miter saw was the OG Chicago from Harbor Freight. The clamp that came with the saw was actually good. It slid up and down and had a screw knob to lock it in. That was probably the only good thing about that saw.
Thanks for the review. Ive been waiting a long time to see a test on mitersaw blade deflection. I would like to see more mitersaw reviews with a test for deflection in addition to the miter accuracy. 1/8" deflection could drive me crazy eve in trim carpentry. Thanks again and maybe consider doining more like this.
Mayonnaise I am just a DIYer doing stuff around the house and trying to get into woodworking. I am debating between a Ridgid corded or cordless miter saw. I am a big fan of Ridgid and that is what is influencing my brand preference. Thanks for your input!
You don't have to keep turning and turning the hold-down clamp. At 8:44 you can see how the horizontal piece moves freely up and down the vertical piece. You can quickly slide the clamp to where you need it and just turn the knob to tighten it.
Mayo. I’ve been looking to get a sliding MS and haven’t found one that checks all the boxes. As a cabinet maker accuracy is vital. I like the Bosch except I don’t believe it has a laser or light cut line which is a deal breaker.
Mayonnaise: if you like miracle whip, you’re dead to me. But also, when you make long cross cuts, you should lift, disengage from the work piece, and then pull the blade back….when ready, slowly engage downward and push forward to make your cut more accurate. User technique is the name of game for accurate cuts. :) I have this saw and I make cabinets, shelves, furniture, etc…I’m within a 1/32” when I do. Also, you missed the MASSIVE cross-cut capacity. I can cut 3/4” (.701 hard maple ply that’s 14.25” / 15.25” deep for closet shelves all day long. Supposedly can go out to almost 18” which I have not done yet. But thanks for the video - well done!
I ordered these and got them delivered. I took it out of the box and first thing i checked out of the box was the deflection. The fact that it didn't take much force to cause it to deflect I knew right away that i was returning this saw.
I have the 12” Delta Cruzer version, and I think the biggest advantage for me is having the zero clearance in the back-I’m working in a tight space. I have not tested the deflection yet, but I think it won’t be a big issue if you work carefully. But it is a drawback of the way the slide is designed.
Mayo.....Thanks for the great review of the saw. I really liked your honest assessment and recommendation of who should buy the saw and what the intended market is.
mayonnaise 1) Would you buy the Rigid over the Delta? 2) If you lock off the slide is the saw more consistent or is there still a lot of deflection? 3) Is the Angle guide with the detents made from aluminum like the Makita that is know to wear out resulting in some play when placed at a standard angle? I am researching 10" zero clearance sliding miter saws. Thank you
@@SpencleyDesignCo I will save up for a Bosch Glide but also hope Makita corrects their detent plate mistake by the time I'm ready to buy. Thanks for the totally honest review!
Mayonnaise - When I need totally accurate cuts, I always go to the table saw, even if my all-the-bells-and-whistles miter saw were dead accurate. My opinion is any miter saw, whether D/W or any other, will always have some movement in the direction demonstrated. The more opportunities for movement, the more movement you'll get.
Miracle Whip - I appreciate the honest review. Looking to get a miter saw. Bosch is top on my list but it is pricey. Was looking for a cheaper option. Hoping Rigid might work I need a high accuracy saw. You saved me A LOT of potential headaches. Thanks.
Is the deflection issue relevant if you’re making a single cut? I’ve had this model for a few days and the sight line is nice, once you line up your cut and don’t push the saw to the left or right it seems fine to me.
@@SpencleyDesignCo Very true. Sorry if you said it in the video, but if you could do it over, what saw would you get? Just don’t want to regret it for the next x years I have this. The Bosch is probably my next option, but a couple hundred more.
@@SpencleyDesignCo Actually I just ended up returning it. Didn't think I could live with the deflection. Plus I had a little scary moment where the blade guard didn't go back down after a cut, leaving the blade spinning while pulling my hand away from the wood. I little oil seemed to help. But it really made me question whether this saw is up to the Ridgid quality I've seen with other tools. Just doesn't seem to have the same quality in terms of materials and build. Went with the Bosch 10" for $200 more. Money well spent and minor over the next 10 years or so I'll have this saw.
Mayonnaise. lol Just wanted to point out that, with the clamp that comes with the saw, it is slide adjustable. Meaning that, once you put it in its hole behind the fence, you can slide it down the bar until the pad contacts the workpiece, then turn to tighten it. I have this saw and have never had the issue you showed. Also, as for the deflection, is something lose? I only ask because mine doesn't deflect nearly that much, even fully extended! I mean...WOW! That's a lot of deflection! Especially when fully retracted.
Mayonnaise-I appreciate your honest review; however, my experience with the Rigid 12” traditional style slider is very similar. A number of years ago I was superintendent for a company doing hotel renovation. As the job was several states away, I did not bring my own tools, but was given permission to purchase anything I needed and would be reimbursed later. He also noted his preference for Home Depot, so Rigid was what I bought. My trim carpenter complained he couldn’t get a 90 degree cut on the wide trim boards we were using, so if I remember correctly he brought his own saw to finish the job. Maybe we could have tightened things up and improved the cut, but we were under a deadline.
Mayonnaise lol thanks for sharing I got a Makita 12" 36v cordless miter saw a few months ago after buying many other saws and returning them Bosch makes a similar scissor arm saw and it has the same problem. I tried that deflection test on it and there is about a 1/32 deflection it runs on a rail system similar to the Kapex. It also makes very smooth cuts only thing I don't like is it has a laser line (which works on point) but I would much rather a shadow line the new 40 volt Makita line 12" miter saw does have that shadow line same exact saw just 1X 40V battery instead of 2X 18V. Great miter saw and they even give you a real nice Makita blade with the saw too highly recommend it 😁✌
Mayonnaise, I have this exact saw and I have made 40 pieces of furniture like night stands, tables, and other items with exact and tight cuts. It’s been an awesome saw for me.
That defelction is huge although, like you say, fine for a construction saw (albeit kinda large). I upgraded my mitre saw last year and it took me months to decide - I don't need portabilty or huge capacity. I wanted Accuracy: in the end I forked out the extra for the Festool KS60e, the 40V Makita was my second choice but I really didn't want yet another battery system (I have goood range of 18V Makita tools already). With care I get dead accurate 90deg and standard mitres, for a 45deg angle cut (think mitred box) well that's over to the table saw as that feels safer at that angle and is likely more accurate every time. Clamps: the KS60 uses the standard Festool track type clamps, 2 slots at the back and it has 2 slots for them on the front too - I often make cuts on small pieces and I use these clamps all the time - I'll often use 3 clamps to make one cut (safely) to a small block. Another bonus; compared to my old Elektra Beckum the dust collection is around 70% better too.
This is a great video. I'm so close to buying this mitre saw, but torn between this or DeWalt. I do love the slide arms for storage reasons. I'm just a DIY guy so exact cuts not needed, but would be nice. I have a 10" Ryobi mitre saw now, I just want to cut larger material. Thanks again for the video
The deflection is a deal breaker for me. Right now I have the contractor who built my house Dewalt 12” sliding Miter sitting in my Garage so I went out to see how much deflection was on that saw there was not much at all and I really had to push on it to see any. He is quitting and wants me to buy it so I think I will and put up with it needing more clearance. Thanks for the review as I really wanted to buy the Rigid. I know you and others say that you rather rely on your TS for miter cuts, but watching guys doing crown molding they can get really nice tight compound cuts with a MS so I think you should be able to dial them in as good as TS.
I had this in my cart at home Depot, after messing with the display for an hour I concluded that the side to side wiggle was to much and I put it back. I use a Dewalt 716XPS everyday for work so I want a slider, and I really love the smoothness of rigid, as soon as they fix the side to side play I'll be a customer.
Mayonnaise a lot of problems with the arm on that saw. There are lighter, more mobile , and cheaper options for ripping down 2x4s on a job site. Great review!
Mayonnaise! Good review and really good to know. I have owned the Ridgid R4221 sliding miter saw for nearly four years and it's been great. I own a number of Ridgid tools and have had good service from all of them. That said, one of the big attractions of the brand for me is the Lifetime Service Agreement (LSA); if they are moving away from that I'll be more likely to look at other brands in future.
Mayonnaise- I just ordered this miter saw about an hour ago for $379.99 from Home Depot. I’ve watch many videos and reviews and pretty much all miter saws have deflection. I liked the Festool, but $1500 it’s too much for me. My Dewalt DWS780 had deflection as well, but I made just I push down when cutting and not side to side. I also mainly make 90 degree cuts. If making picture frames I use my table saw.
Mayonnaise- I have long lusted after the Bosch version of this saw. But someone I know bought one and pointed out the same issue- I am not worried so much about my pinky- however, just glancing thru a knot, or hardwood grain that veers to one side or the other will deflect these saws off line ( and pretty much every other style of modern mitre saw ). So, since portability is not a feature I need, I finally decided to buy a 1950’s vintage DeWalt radial arm saw. Try deflecting that chunk of precision milled cast iron. Besides, the radial arm saw is more versatile.
I was and still am going to buy this saw! Like most other tools I have in my shop, I enjoy correcting defects like the one you pointed out with the wobble. As an industrial designer and a machinist, I have rarely found any piece of machinery that could not use some improvement. I'm not sure where the 'looseness' of the R4251 is coming from but with a little tinkering I'm confident some precision bushings and pins will rectify the problem. As with most mass-produced items, the name of the game is profit! So most manufacturers will opt to use the least expensive parts they can get that will still do the job. You get what you pay for. If the rest of the saw is engineered to function structurally(ie. handle the load forces to be applied) and suitable material is used, then the modifications should be minimal, if not, then it may not be worth the effort. Looking at this saw on display a few weeks back, I was more interested in the structural design of the parts like how well ribbing and stiffeners were designed and found them to be pretty sound so this will be a good little project! I also like the way this saw looks, the length it extends it adjustability. Yeah, the clamps are cheesy but most are and making better ones are simple. In the end I'll have a very good tool for little money.
One thing that would have been good was a square on the fence and fence extensions. Here in Australia no one can make a mitre saw with a decent fence except makita and maybe dewalt.
Mayo. I just bought the 10-inch R4241. How would you all compare it to the Bosch CM10GD? The bevel on my R4241 will not stay tight outside of the detents. Fairly like pressure will increase the bevel angle. 👎 Dust collection and dust bag location are absolute disasters.
I really like and own Rigid tools there vacs and air nailers are very nice working and solid performers but my Dewalt has never let me down with its stand you cant beat it thanks .
Miracle Whip - :). Hmmm, I was all in favor until you showed the deflection. Now I have to make a compromise. I think the Makita has the better linear rails, but it lacks the blade shadow, which sound like it's a bit better than the laser.
Miracle Whip. What can I say? Not a mayo guy. Thank you for your review. One important feature is how the saw can be up against the wall when in use. Some of the play might be minimized by tightening the knuckle adjustments. Yes/No? Jobsite sawdust is not a big deal, except when doing finish work, like trimming out a finished home. Different story in home shops. Some builders go to great lengths to capture dust from these type saws. Not crazy about the brand. I own no Rigid tools. Merry Christmas and blessings to you and yours.
I have been buying tools for over fifty years. Early in those years, I was driven more by what was the cheapest, than the quality of a tool. They generally did a less than stellar job, and usually wore out at a young age. Since then, I have become far more discerning about quality, and can say that aside from the Rigid shop vac I have purchased (and I have issues with it), none of their products meet with what I consider my quality standards. This evaluation mimics my idea of what a review should be, and without knowing this guy, I know he is correct.
I have to disagree with your assessment. I have owned multiple Dewalt, Bosch mitersaws over the last 25 years. Currently I still use a dewalt dw780 installing high end kitchen cabinetry, staircases and finish trim. I purchased this saw in the 10” for my small shop because of it’s ability to be closer the wall. I do really fine cutting all the time. As with any fine woodworking, the blade plays a huge part in the cuts. Blade that comes with this saw should be thrown in the garbage unless you use it only for framing. When my Dewalt is ready for retirement, I am planning on getting another of these for a daily saw. My Dewalt is only a couple years older and I tend to get about 7-8 years out of them. As far a comparison between the cuts on both. I haven’t noticed one or the other to be better. But the sliding on this saw is so easy. I have used festools many times and honestly I don’t like it. The ergonomics of the handle feels weird for me. Also the way it locks it from coming down really irritates me. I have chipped out more boards because it won’t move and then bam, it does and I smash the wood. No thank you, plus the price is ridiculous.
Mayonnaise. Great video. You did misrepresent the hold-down clamp a bit. Before turning the vertical piece, there is a quick adjust feature where you slide it down to touch the wood, then you just have to crank it down a couple turns so it's tight against the workpiece.
I was not gonna get it because of this video showing the deflection, but I bought it it has no deflection, cuts perfect. I did purchase the 10" so that might be the difference. But I think it's because of the blade size you get the wobble on the 12".
Mayonnaise, great review dude, really appreciate it. Question- if you snug down the adjustment screws for the resistance on the slide joints-does that reduce the size play? At the expense of some easy motion and smoothness. Thank you
Duke's Mayonnaise! Ridgid's LSA is pretty much worthless anyway. I had a massive issue with a product and took it to an authorized service center. Ridgid didn't want to replace any parts. They wanted the 3rd party technician to fix the issue, which was caused by Ridgid not including a pretty important part in the box to begin with. And on top of that, they were only paying the service center a flat $19 fee. That barely covers the time it takes to diagnose the problem. I just bought the Delta Cruzer 12" and it doesn't have that much deflection at full extension. Maybe yours came a little loose?
Mayonnaise. Did I spell that right? Anyway, I now own my third miter saw in roughly thirty years (I'm guessing here) Started out with a "Sears" brand sliding thing that sort of resembled a mini radial arm saw. I needed it for a job where I was installing wainscotting (among other things) but had to take it in for some remediation, as the base didn't sit level. Not sure how that's even possible with a cast aluminum base? Eventually, I said to the "tool Dude" at Sears, I either need that saw back, or my money. I got my money. Went to a competitor and bought a "Miter Box" by Delta, that was basically a chop saw. Heavy beast of a thing, but couldn't do compound miters. Sold it. And then went with a Bosch, which I've now had for maybe 15+ years? (Memory is dim) It's a compound miter saw that seems to be pretty darned accurate, and the only drawback that I find somewhat annoying is, you cannot set it close to a wall, as you'd be able to do with the Rigid or any of the other saws with the fancy articulating pull out thingies. I've contemplated upgrading, but now I'm not sure why? Where I have it now, the overhand doesn't seem to matter, and by the way, the blade that came with it was just fine. It had some sort of goofy laser thing, but once the batteries wore out, and even though I replaced them, it never did work consistently again. I'd sooner have the light that you demonstated. So, THANKS for telling me to keep my saw. Carry on!
I've got a DeWalt, the 2 bar slide, and it doesn't deflect hardly at all. I've also got a Delta like that rigid and it's exactly the way yours is. That hinge slide is horrible
might be important to say anything I do i want to excel at.and i build aquarium stands and pretty much whatever i need instead of buying them...ive done shelves doors a work bench but in the end i nwed consistency in cuts..
Mayonnaise: I tried sliders from Dewalt, Makita, Ryobi, and Milwaukee (thanks to Home Depot's liberal return policy). Ended up buying a non-sliding DeWalt. Was especially disappointed with the Makita - very poorly packaged and wildly out of square out of the box.
Mayonnaise. Yes, this is another question. lol I noticed your two zero-clearance table saw inserts hanging on your wall and they look VERY familiar. Are they for a Ridgid R4512, by chance? If so, did you make them, yourself, or did you buy them? I have that table saw and just converted it over to 240v and LOVE it! Well, let's be honest. I have a LOVE/hate relationship with it. And that "hate" would be in smaller letters if I was so inclined to tweak the font in this post, but it's not worth the trouble. lol The "hate" part is dealing with the ridiculous design of the throat. I have a feeling that someone at Ridgid thought, "Hey...if we design the throat of this thing to be like this, then it would be so downright difficult for customers to make their own ZC inserts, we can offer ours!" Unfortunately, Ridgid never saw this through. Apparently the only ZC inserts, that are available, online (that I've found, anyway), are Leecraft. I bought one of those and, through the poor packaging (which allowed the thin locking lip at the back of the insert to get snapped mostly off) and my own stupidity in rushing without thinking things through, mine looks like it has been in a war zone. It still works, but looks like the back end of an Orangutan!
Mayonnaise- super glad I watched this bc I am a furniture builder looking for a better miter saw. I don’t have the funds for a kapex, so I was looking into a Bosch or delta cruzer when I saw yours. Glad to know it’s the same as the delta bc I need that style for my workspace. Any suggestions to look into for the shorter style depth compared to the long bar style?
Mayonnaise. Thank you for the review. The amount of saw deflection is a "no go" for my needs. I appreciate the honesty. The absence of a lifetime warranty is disconcerting.
Mayonnaise: Thank you for providing an unbiased review. So, have you tried any DeWalt miter saws? For production, there is a reason why many carpenters buy the Skil model 77, 7-1/4 inch saw, namely, reliability. After crowning the lumber and by using a speed square some folks might be surprised how accurate those old technology saws actually are and they are not limited to on the ground use only. For larger dimensional lumber, the Magnesium SAWSQUATCH Worm Drive (Diablo Blade)SKILSAW SPT70WM-22 10-1/4 Inch blade along with a speed square makes accurate cuts, and if that doesn't float you boat, then perhaps the ultimate beam saw, the Skilsaw SPT70V-11 SUPER SAWSQUATCH 16-5/16-Inch Worm Drive Circular Saw Bundle with 32 Tooth ATB General Saw Blade (16-5/16-Inch) along with a speed square makes accurate cuts. But after all of this hyperbole being said, I own the Ridgid R4222 as mounted to a portable wheeled stand by Ridgid, AC9946, and for most tasks, I still prefer an appropriately sized speed square and and either my 35 year old model 77 Skil saw 7-1/4 inch, my Magnesium SAWSQUATCH 10-1/4 inch, or my Makita 5402-A Beam saw 16-5/16 inch; mostly because they are long ago paid for, and I know what they can accomplish. All saws make a mess from sawdust, but there nothing worse than a poorly designed dust collection system.
Awesome job and great commentary. She’ll do you right for years to come. Was the bench design based on Third Coast Craftsman’s design? I’ve been looking at building something similar but as a beginner was a bit daunted.
mayonnaise - As someone who is new to woodworking, (bu learning) and want to eventually potentially do some furniture projects but also have the versatility for some basic carpentry type jobs as well. Would this be a good saw? By no means expect to be a "fine furniture" maker. But would like to know I have the general ability to make some furniture type projects. Do you think that is possible without going up a level in price? thank you in advance for any wisdom you can share. I appreciate it!
Mayonaise: Do you think a zero clearance insert might help some with defection? I'm a beginner and need the space saving. I also go slow and use multiple passes.
Mayonnaise added Wow! Ok I was looking forward to this... Actually the Delta Razer but they are the same thing I just happen to like the blue! So my question is: what saw do you recommend for finish carpentry that can also do the same functions as this saw?
I have the previous model it's massive and heavy but the LSA is my favorite part of the miter saw . I have it on the mobile base and keep it folded up and out the way when I'm not using it.. after watching this review I won't be upgrading my saw anytime soon besides it's only 3 years old this month
Mayonnaise. I think the problem here is the folding arm of the saw. I have a Ridgid 10" compound miter saw. I've had this saw for approximately 7 years. I'm a DYIer who likes to build boxes. My saw has straight bars that the saw runs on. There is no flex on this type of setup. The blade will flex minimally if you put a lot of force on it and I wouldn't suggest that when the saw is running for operators safety sake.I've tested this saws cuts against my table saw and there is virtually no difference. My suggestion...stay away from the folding arm set up. Straight rails take up more space but you don't have variations in the cuts. Very happy with my saw.
Really appreciate this review! The sliding mech had me getting attached but the dust collection and potential precision issues you showed are enough to spend on something else.
Mayonnaise-Thanks for the review Eric! I’m about to start my research into a miter saw so good to know about the good, the bad and the ugly about this one
Mayonnaise! Looking at this as for DIY projects and home improvement stuff. Will be doing some wainscoting and crown, shelving and such. Would you recommend the DeWalt 780 over this? I like the articulating arm. Other options are the Harbor Freight ones?
It's funny. I just watched a video on the delta. Saw this and was like "oh, it's a black and orange delta" lol. Great review. And the always sunny clip definitely sealed the subscribe lol
Mayonnaise for a little more money I would get - AND I DID! - Bosch glide, which, for me at least, seems WAAAAY more accurate, if heavier. I like Ridgid, most of my power tools are Ridgid, but yes, I am transitioning to Bosch. It was between Bosch and Makita, and I seem to have picked the less powerful of the two, but overall, Bosch seems to be more...refined, at least for the less "brutal" power-need. Thanks for the review, I didn't even know Ridgid had this in their lineup, even if it is a Metabo, afterall....
Mayonnaise!!! #ditchthemitersaw The more I watch the reviews and the finer things I try to build, the more I realize I really just need to invest in a solid miter sled for my table saw. Thanks for this!!
Mayonnaise - so the clamp thing, I have a cheap mitre saw (non-sliding) that cost me £50 from a big store here in the UK - the clamp on it, the hole thing adjusts on the pole at the back and then tighten. So don't have to do the whole turning thing.
Mayonnaise: great review this would have changed my mind had I seen the video before I spent the $300, which was a deal, for the saw secondhand but still brand new. I was sold immediately on the arm system, even after seeing your video still no regrets damn good saw and if you take out one of the back plates or the fences you'll have much as your time with the clamp!
Mayonnaise - great review. I'm going to look into comparisons with deflection on the dewalt dw780, bosch axial glide, etc... similar deflection at a similar price point.
Mayonnaise. You're not using the hold down clamp right. You can slide it down the shaft until it contacts the piece and then twist the knob to tighten. Also, I just picked one of these up when it was on sale. They may have tightened things up because there's barely any deflection in the blade now. I tested every sliding saw at home depot and Lowe's and they all had very similar deflection and the Ridgid was had an average amount to less than average amount of deflection.
I can't believe Ridgid would make such a horrible saw. You cannot have deflection like this if your building fine anything. And as for the dust, thats unacceptable. This saw invented the title CHOP SAW !. Thats why when I was shopping for a accurate Miter Saw I purchased a Festool Kapex 120, 11 years ago and never looked back. Of course Festool needs to improve their dust collection also. Festool makes working with wood fun again. And I never had any issues with blade deflection with Festool . Enjoyed your review, one of the best on TH-cam . (Mayonnaise)
Mayonnaise. I would like to see the deflection of this saw vs other saws in its class. It seems like people are saying that the ones that articulate have slightly more than the ones with linear rails. I think it would be much more accurate to compare it with dewalt, Milwaukee, or Bosch. Festool sets a bit too high of a bar. Still a very good review though, I appreciate how thorough it was.
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Is this a belt driven saw?
I’m not sure
@@rickyperkins232 , yes, yes it is. I've been really happy with the performance of this saw...
@@SpencleyDesignCo How can you be evaluating this saw if you can't answer that question? It's either belt drive, direct drive, or gear driven.
Easy, I evaluated the saw by using it
I have the 10 inch Delta Cruzer, and the Ridgid sliding miters are the same machine, basically. I bought it because I have limited space and this design uses way less space. I have found it to be very accurate if I take my time and am careful not to introduce any deflection myself. I replaced the stock blade with a Freud Diablo 80 tooth and the cuts are butter smooth. I often will cut 4 or more boards at the same time for accuracy and it powers through them with ease. These are just my observations, and in my opinion it is an excellent saw. However, YMMV, and this is the only sliding miter I have owned so I have nothing to compare it to. One thing about the hold-down clamp-If you push the support rod to one side you can lift it right up or push it down quickly, without using the threads. Then tighten it down by turning the threaded knob.
Ridgid tools are/were manufactured by Emerson tool company, these Ridgid NEXT tools are apparently contracted now through Chang Type Industrial Industrial (Delta).
I purchased the 2nd gen Delta of this saw model 26-2251 which I returned within 3 days due to the blade deflection as you precisely described. I desperately wanted to find this saw perfect and LOVED the smoothness of the arms, But as you described when it comes to finish carpentry, you cannot have any blade deflection maybe during rough cuts of framing lumber and even that's pushing it. The harder the wood the more deflection also. They need to correct this issue or this saw is no better than a boat anchor. BEST REVIEW ON TH-cam. Thank you.
Yup! It’s a shame this saw is such a piece of junk 🤷♂️
Nice review. I have Festool Kapex and yes it has a good clamp system, but dust collection is outstanding. I am not kidding when I say that it pays for itself because of time I save on cleanup. The Festool is insanely accurate and repeatable. Easy saw blade changes, trench cuts a super simple adjustments.
Sounds better than this hunk of junk 🤣
Look my Parallel Guided Power Saw.
I have the Delta Cruiser 10" model. It was a pretty good review. You did however leave something out.
When you remove the fences, there are two swing away brackets that turn into makeshift fences.
Flip them to the rear, and put a 2x4 on the base, and you effectively extend the cross cut capacity of
the saw by a few inches. Very handy.
I never knew that! Pretty neat!
You know what? This is an insanely good review. This is what I expect out of a review, which means nothing to others. But seriously well done👍🏻
Thanks, V! I appreciate the support!
Mayonnaise. Don't have a question just wanted to let you know that I saw this review in it's entirety and it was fantastic. You covered just about every question I or anyone else could have asked. Two thumbs up Eric.
Thank you very much, Julio!
Mayonnaise. Excellent honest review, and spot on. I have owned the Delta Cruzer 12” version for a couple of years now and wish I’d seen a review like this before buying it. The dust collection does really suck!…even for a miter saw. And the deflection is bad and very irritating. Like you said, for accurate precision cuts I now always use my table saw and quality miter gauge. Thanks!
I’m glad to hear a delta user chime in and confirm the same thing I see. Dang it sucks that your saw is this bad too!
I was about to get one of those, and it is perfect time to watch your review. Specially multiple cuts that gives woble.
Thank you.
Sure thing! What are you looking at buying now?
Your review is the same as my friend discovered with her saw kerf movement. Cuts were off even with a stop block being used. They were very sad and returned the saw.
It was definitely a bummer!
Good review. I wonder if the deflection would be worse with bevel cuts.
Thanks for the very thorough review. It good to see a tool review that appears to be non bias.
Thanks for watching! I tried my best to be impartial
Mayonnaise. I liked the video. I have a Ryobi Miter saw and I went through the same process with that saw. What I found was that in normal use with normal pressure there is a 1/16" deflection. I was surprised because my previous Ryobi non-sliding miter saw had 0 deflection. I took it in to the Ryobi repair facility and they said that was in tolerance. As you said in the video sliding miter saws will have some deflection because of the nature of the tool. It all depends on how much you want to spend. Delta sells a Miter saw with a similar configuration as the Rigid you reviewed with a similar amount of deflection. I think the multiple hinge design introduces errors. I decided not to buy the Delta, though I have many other Delta tools, because of that review. Please keep the videos coming.
I appreciate the support, Jim!
Delta actually makes this saw for Ridgid.
It’s actually made by their parent company
Mayonnaise, I bought a Ridgid about 3 months ago and I haven't been able to use it yet because I live in a cold climate and I don't have a heated garage yet, so I want to still believe I got a great Miter Saw at a great price. No, it's not a Festool but no saw compares to Festool, I did like your review of the saw it gives me a way to correct problems the saw has so, I want to thank you for that. I enjoyed your review, very fair conclusion.
I live mine. Yes it creates some dust but they all do. I have to have it do to wall space issues. It will be the final miter saw that I will purchase.
those things look like a great tool for framing accurately.. but not for any kind of cabinet work that requires tight fits on the miters...
Mayonnaise a lot of people talking about Mayonnaise. I didn't understand what was going on until the end of the video...I have the regular 12 inch sliding DeWalt and got curious so I tested it. When it's at zero, it takes all my weight to get the blade to deflect. At full extension it only deflected maybe 1/8 inch with a decent amount of force.
Also, my first miter saw was the OG Chicago from Harbor Freight. The clamp that came with the saw was actually good. It slid up and down and had a screw knob to lock it in. That was probably the only good thing about that saw.
Sounds like that dewalt saw is a little more stable than this one 😀
@@SpencleyDesignCo It is, but can't sit flush up against the wall.
I’d probably take that trade off for the accuracy 😀
Thanks for the review. Ive been waiting a long time to see a test on mitersaw blade deflection. I would like to see more mitersaw reviews with a test for deflection in addition to the miter accuracy. 1/8" deflection could drive me crazy eve in trim carpentry. Thanks again and maybe consider doining more like this.
Thanks for watching! What saw would you like me to test next?
@@SpencleyDesignCo Is there a saw with acceptable deflection for woodworking , that is in a price range for home users?
I haven’t used any miter saws that I’m comfortable recommending to people. All the ones I’ve used were awful
Mayonnaise
I am just a DIYer doing stuff around the house and trying to get into woodworking. I am debating between a Ridgid corded or cordless miter saw. I am a big fan of Ridgid and that is what is influencing my brand preference. Thanks for your input!
Big reason that I use these saws is to make straight cuts so glad I went another route!
what saw did you end up going with?
You don't have to keep turning and turning the hold-down clamp. At 8:44 you can see how the horizontal piece moves freely up and down the vertical piece. You can quickly slide the clamp to where you need it and just turn the knob to tighten it.
True, however that doesn’t work when you are working with boards of varying thickness
Mayonnaise. I watched the entire video and was impressed with your honesty.
Also, the fence would determine how low the horizontal piece can slide down, which means extra turning
Come on, we've all thrown these clamps away for this exact reason... 😉
Mayo. I’ve been looking to get a sliding MS and haven’t found one that checks all the boxes. As a cabinet maker accuracy is vital. I like the Bosch except I don’t believe it has a laser or light cut line which is a deal breaker.
Mayonnaise: if you like miracle whip, you’re dead to me. But also, when you make long cross cuts, you should lift, disengage from the work piece, and then pull the blade back….when ready, slowly engage downward and push forward to make your cut more accurate. User technique is the name of game for accurate cuts. :)
I have this saw and I make cabinets, shelves, furniture, etc…I’m within a 1/32” when I do. Also, you missed the MASSIVE cross-cut capacity. I can cut 3/4” (.701 hard maple ply that’s 14.25” / 15.25” deep for closet shelves all day long. Supposedly can go out to almost 18” which I have not done yet.
But thanks for the video - well done!
It does have a lot of crosscut capacity!
I ordered these and got them delivered. I took it out of the box and first thing i checked out of the box was the deflection. The fact that it didn't take much force to cause it to deflect I knew right away that i was returning this saw.
I have the 12” Delta Cruzer version, and I think the biggest advantage for me is having the zero clearance in the back-I’m working in a tight space. I have not tested the deflection yet, but I think it won’t be a big issue if you work carefully. But it is a drawback of the way the slide is designed.
Mayo.....Thanks for the great review of the saw. I really liked your honest assessment and recommendation of who should buy the saw and what the intended market is.
Thanks! Honestly, I think it’s a very very slim number of people that would get any use out of this saw
mayonnaise 1) Would you buy the Rigid over the Delta? 2) If you lock off the slide is the saw more consistent or is there still a lot of deflection? 3) Is the Angle guide with the detents made from aluminum like the Makita that is know to wear out resulting in some play when placed at a standard angle? I am researching 10" zero clearance sliding miter saws. Thank you
Whatever you do, do not buy either of them. This saw is junk
@@SpencleyDesignCo I will save up for a Bosch Glide but also hope Makita corrects their detent plate mistake by the time I'm ready to buy. Thanks for the totally honest review!
For sure! That’s one thing you can count on me for, honesty 🤣 ridgid wasn’t very happy about this video
Thanks for the review. I'm look for saw like that with out taking up all the room. I guess I'm taking up room.
Mayonnaise - When I need totally accurate cuts, I always go to the table saw, even if my all-the-bells-and-whistles miter saw were dead accurate. My opinion is any miter saw, whether D/W or any other, will always have some movement in the direction demonstrated.
The more opportunities for movement, the more movement you'll get.
Mayonnaise! Great video! Got a recommendation on a mitre saw for trim and crown moulding?
Thanks for watching! I haven’t used a miter saw that I like yet, so I don’t have a recommendation
I have a delta Cruzer which is the same saw and I love it.
Miracle Whip - I appreciate the honest review.
Looking to get a miter saw. Bosch is top on my list but it is pricey. Was looking for a cheaper option. Hoping Rigid might work I need a high accuracy saw. You saved me A LOT of potential headaches. Thanks.
Miracle whip?
Is the deflection issue relevant if you’re making a single cut? I’ve had this model for a few days and the sight line is nice, once you line up your cut and don’t push the saw to the left or right it seems fine to me.
If you’re happy with your saw, that’s all that matters 😀
@@SpencleyDesignCo Very true. Sorry if you said it in the video, but if you could do it over, what saw would you get? Just don’t want to regret it for the next x years I have this. The Bosch is probably my next option, but a couple hundred more.
@@SpencleyDesignCo Actually I just ended up returning it. Didn't think I could live with the deflection. Plus I had a little scary moment where the blade guard didn't go back down after a cut, leaving the blade spinning while pulling my hand away from the wood. I little oil seemed to help. But it really made me question whether this saw is up to the Ridgid quality I've seen with other tools. Just doesn't seem to have the same quality in terms of materials and build. Went with the Bosch 10" for $200 more. Money well spent and minor over the next 10 years or so I'll have this saw.
I 100% would recommend returning this saw
Mayonnaise. lol Just wanted to point out that, with the clamp that comes with the saw, it is slide adjustable. Meaning that, once you put it in its hole behind the fence, you can slide it down the bar until the pad contacts the workpiece, then turn to tighten it. I have this saw and have never had the issue you showed. Also, as for the deflection, is something lose? I only ask because mine doesn't deflect nearly that much, even fully extended! I mean...WOW! That's a lot of deflection! Especially when fully retracted.
Mayonnaise-I appreciate your honest review; however, my experience with the Rigid 12” traditional style slider is very similar. A number of years ago I was superintendent for a company doing hotel renovation. As the job was several states away, I did not bring my own tools, but was given permission to purchase anything I needed and would be reimbursed later. He also noted his preference for Home Depot, so Rigid was what I bought. My trim carpenter complained he couldn’t get a 90 degree cut on the wide trim boards we were using, so if I remember correctly he brought his own saw to finish the job. Maybe we could have tightened things up and improved the cut, but we were under a deadline.
Thanks for your feedback Alan
Mayonnaise lol thanks for sharing I got a Makita 12" 36v cordless miter saw a few months ago after buying many other saws and returning them Bosch makes a similar scissor arm saw and it has the same problem. I tried that deflection test on it and there is about a 1/32 deflection it runs on a rail system similar to the Kapex. It also makes very smooth cuts only thing I don't like is it has a laser line (which works on point) but I would much rather a shadow line the new 40 volt Makita line 12" miter saw does have that shadow line same exact saw just 1X 40V battery instead of 2X 18V. Great miter saw and they even give you a real nice Makita blade with the saw too highly recommend it 😁✌
Thanks for the recommendation!
Mayonnaise, I have this exact saw and I have made 40 pieces of furniture like night stands, tables, and other items with exact and tight cuts. It’s been an awesome saw for me.
Wow looks just like the 12" Delta Cruzer saw I purchased several years ago. Love it.
Thanks for checking out the video, Andrew! It's made by their parent company
That defelction is huge although, like you say, fine for a construction saw (albeit kinda large). I upgraded my mitre saw last year and it took me months to decide - I don't need portabilty or huge capacity. I wanted Accuracy: in the end I forked out the extra for the Festool KS60e, the 40V Makita was my second choice but I really didn't want yet another battery system (I have goood range of 18V Makita tools already). With care I get dead accurate 90deg and standard mitres, for a 45deg angle cut (think mitred box) well that's over to the table saw as that feels safer at that angle and is likely more accurate every time. Clamps: the KS60 uses the standard Festool track type clamps, 2 slots at the back and it has 2 slots for them on the front too - I often make cuts on small pieces and I use these clamps all the time - I'll often use 3 clamps to make one cut (safely) to a small block. Another bonus; compared to my old Elektra Beckum the dust collection is around 70% better too.
Thanks for watching
This is a great video. I'm so close to buying this mitre saw, but torn between this or DeWalt. I do love the slide arms for storage reasons. I'm just a DIY guy so exact cuts not needed, but would be nice. I have a 10" Ryobi mitre saw now, I just want to cut larger material. Thanks again for the video
Get the dewalt
The deflection is a deal breaker for me. Right now I have the contractor who built my house Dewalt 12” sliding Miter sitting in my Garage so I went out to see how much deflection was on that saw there was not much at all and I really had to push on it to see any. He is quitting and wants me to buy it so I think I will and put up with it needing more clearance. Thanks for the review as I really wanted to buy the Rigid. I know you and others say that you rather rely on your TS for miter cuts, but watching guys doing crown molding they can get really nice tight compound cuts with a MS so I think you should be able to dial them in as good as TS.
it's definitely a deal breaker on this saw
I had this in my cart at home Depot, after messing with the display for an hour I concluded that the side to side wiggle was to much and I put it back. I use a Dewalt 716XPS everyday for work so I want a slider, and I really love the smoothness of rigid, as soon as they fix the side to side play I'll be a customer.
The side to side wiggle is awful, isn’t it? 🤣
At 4:59 But before you change the blade make sure you first unplug the saw from the wall outlet.
Mayonnaise a lot of problems with the arm on that saw. There are lighter, more mobile , and cheaper options for ripping down 2x4s on a job site. Great review!
Thanks, Jeremy!
Mayonnaise! Good review and really good to know. I have owned the Ridgid R4221 sliding miter saw for nearly four years and it's been great. I own a number of Ridgid tools and have had good service from all of them. That said, one of the big attractions of the brand for me is the Lifetime Service Agreement (LSA); if they are moving away from that I'll be more likely to look at other brands in future.
No LSA on this one since it’s made by a delta
Mayonnaise- I just ordered this miter saw about an hour ago for $379.99 from Home Depot. I’ve watch many videos and reviews and pretty much all miter saws have deflection. I liked the Festool, but $1500 it’s too much for me. My Dewalt DWS780 had deflection as well, but I made just I push down when cutting and not side to side. I also mainly make 90 degree cuts. If making picture frames I use my table saw.
Mayonaise: appreciate this review. I've been a Makita guy since I was a kid & this made me feel better about spending the additional $200.
Glad you enjoyed the video, Travis!
Mayonnaise- I have long lusted after the Bosch version of this saw. But someone I know bought one and pointed out the same issue- I am not worried so much about my pinky- however, just glancing thru a knot, or hardwood grain that veers to one side or the other will deflect these saws off line ( and pretty much every other style of modern mitre saw ). So, since portability is not a feature I need, I finally decided to buy a 1950’s vintage DeWalt radial arm saw. Try deflecting that chunk of precision milled cast iron. Besides, the radial arm saw is more versatile.
gotta love some vintage tools!
I was and still am going to buy this saw! Like most other tools I have in my shop, I enjoy correcting defects like the one you pointed out with the wobble. As an industrial designer and a machinist, I have rarely found any piece of machinery that could not use some improvement. I'm not sure where the 'looseness' of the R4251 is coming from but with a little tinkering I'm confident some precision bushings and pins will rectify the problem. As with most mass-produced items, the name of the game is profit! So most manufacturers will opt to use the least expensive parts they can get that will still do the job. You get what you pay for. If the rest of the saw is engineered to function structurally(ie. handle the load forces to be applied) and suitable material is used, then the modifications should be minimal, if not, then it may not be worth the effort. Looking at this saw on display a few weeks back, I was more interested in the structural design of the parts like how well ribbing and stiffeners were designed and found them to be pretty sound so this will be a good little project! I also like the way this saw looks, the length it extends it adjustability. Yeah, the clamps are cheesy but most are and making better ones are simple. In the end I'll have a very good tool for little money.
One thing that would have been good was a square on the fence and fence extensions. Here in Australia no one can make a mitre saw with a decent fence except makita and maybe dewalt.
Mayo. I just bought the 10-inch R4241. How would you all compare it to the Bosch CM10GD?
The bevel on my R4241 will not stay tight outside of the detents. Fairly like pressure will increase the bevel angle. 👎 Dust collection and dust bag location are absolute disasters.
I really like and own Rigid tools there vacs and air nailers are very nice working and solid performers but my Dewalt has never let me down with its stand you cant beat it thanks .
So you agree that this saw is bad?
@@SpencleyDesignCo well I don't like that play in the slide mechanism
I agree. It makes the saw virtually useless
Miracle Whip - :). Hmmm, I was all in favor until you showed the deflection. Now I have to make a compromise. I think the Makita has the better linear rails, but it lacks the blade shadow, which sound like it's a bit better than the laser.
I think just about any miter saw would be better than this one 🤣
Miracle Whip.
What can I say? Not a mayo guy.
Thank you for your review. One important feature is how the saw can be up against the wall when in use.
Some of the play might be minimized by tightening the knuckle adjustments. Yes/No?
Jobsite sawdust is not a big deal, except when doing finish work, like trimming out a finished home. Different story in home shops. Some builders go to great lengths to capture dust from these type saws.
Not crazy about the brand. I own no Rigid tools.
Merry Christmas and blessings to you and yours.
Thanks for checking out the video, Neil! Unfortunately there are no adjustments that can be made to minimize the play in the saw
This saw is fine, just gently feed the blade into the material with a downward motion without forcing the blade sideways. Very simple.
Thank you for the feedback
I have been buying tools for over fifty years. Early in those years, I was driven more by what was the cheapest, than the quality of a tool. They generally did a less than stellar job, and usually wore out at a young age. Since then, I have become far more discerning about quality, and can say that aside from the Rigid shop vac I have purchased (and I have issues with it), none of their products meet with what I consider my quality standards. This evaluation mimics my idea of what a review should be, and without knowing this guy, I know he is correct.
I have to disagree with your assessment. I have owned multiple Dewalt, Bosch mitersaws over the last 25 years. Currently I still use a dewalt dw780 installing high end kitchen cabinetry, staircases and finish trim. I purchased this saw in the 10” for my small shop because of it’s ability to be closer the wall. I do really fine cutting all the time. As with any fine woodworking, the blade plays a huge part in the cuts. Blade that comes with this saw should be thrown in the garbage unless you use it only for framing. When my Dewalt is ready for retirement, I am planning on getting another of these for a daily saw. My Dewalt is only a couple years older and I tend to get about 7-8 years out of them. As far a comparison between the cuts on both. I haven’t noticed one or the other to be better. But the sliding on this saw is so easy. I have used festools many times and honestly I don’t like it. The ergonomics of the handle feels weird for me. Also the way it locks it from coming down really irritates me. I have chipped out more boards because it won’t move and then bam, it does and I smash the wood. No thank you, plus the price is ridiculous.
I would love to get one of these, especially since they're on sale now, but nobody has any stock!
I already bought a blue one. I can say I like it.( 10" saw)🙂
Glad you enjoy it 😀
Mayonnaise. Great video. You did misrepresent the hold-down clamp a bit. Before turning the vertical piece, there is a quick adjust feature where you slide it down to touch the wood, then you just have to crank it down a couple turns so it's tight against the workpiece.
I was not gonna get it because of this video showing the deflection, but I bought it it has no deflection, cuts perfect. I did purchase the 10" so that might be the difference. But I think it's because of the blade size you get the wobble on the 12".
Mayonnaise, great review dude, really appreciate it. Question- if you snug down the adjustment screws for the resistance on the slide joints-does that reduce the size play? At the expense of some easy motion and smoothness. Thank you
Unfortunately not, I tried everything possible and there’s just too much slop.
Duke's Mayonnaise!
Ridgid's LSA is pretty much worthless anyway. I had a massive issue with a product and took it to an authorized service center. Ridgid didn't want to replace any parts. They wanted the 3rd party technician to fix the issue, which was caused by Ridgid not including a pretty important part in the box to begin with. And on top of that, they were only paying the service center a flat $19 fee. That barely covers the time it takes to diagnose the problem.
I just bought the Delta Cruzer 12" and it doesn't have that much deflection at full extension. Maybe yours came a little loose?
Mayo- what blade should I purchase to replace the blade that comes with the saw
Just got my saw yesterday！very good review!already subscribed!
Thank you for the support!
Mayonnaise. I have no question but I wanted to prove I saw the whole video. Plus the thoroughness of this video earned u a sub. Great stuff.
Thank you very much, Isaac! I truly appreciate the support!
Mayonnaise. Did I spell that right? Anyway, I now own my third miter saw in roughly thirty years (I'm guessing here) Started out with a "Sears" brand sliding thing that sort of resembled a mini radial arm saw. I needed it for a job where I was installing wainscotting (among other things) but had to take it in for some remediation, as the base didn't sit level. Not sure how that's even possible with a cast aluminum base?
Eventually, I said to the "tool Dude" at Sears, I either need that saw back, or my money. I got my money. Went to a competitor and bought a "Miter Box" by Delta, that was basically a chop saw. Heavy beast of a thing, but couldn't do compound miters. Sold it. And then went with a Bosch, which I've now had for maybe 15+ years? (Memory is dim) It's a compound miter saw that seems to be pretty darned accurate, and the only drawback that I find somewhat annoying is, you cannot set it close to a wall, as you'd be able to do with the Rigid or any of the other saws with the fancy articulating pull out thingies. I've contemplated upgrading, but now I'm not sure why? Where I have it now, the overhand doesn't seem to matter, and by the way, the blade that came with it was just fine. It had some sort of goofy laser thing, but once the batteries wore out, and even though I replaced them, it never did work consistently again. I'd sooner have the light that you demonstated. So, THANKS for telling me to keep my saw. Carry on!
I've got a DeWalt, the 2 bar slide, and it doesn't deflect hardly at all. I've also got a Delta like that rigid and it's exactly the way yours is. That hinge slide is horrible
might be important to say anything I do i want to excel at.and i build aquarium stands and pretty much whatever i need instead of buying them...ive done shelves doors a work bench but in the end i nwed consistency in cuts..
Mayonnaise: I tried sliders from Dewalt, Makita, Ryobi, and Milwaukee (thanks to Home Depot's liberal return policy). Ended up buying a non-sliding DeWalt. Was especially disappointed with the Makita - very poorly packaged and wildly out of square out of the box.
Mayonnaise. Yes, this is another question. lol I noticed your two zero-clearance table saw inserts hanging on your wall and they look VERY familiar. Are they for a Ridgid R4512, by chance? If so, did you make them, yourself, or did you buy them? I have that table saw and just converted it over to 240v and LOVE it! Well, let's be honest. I have a LOVE/hate relationship with it. And that "hate" would be in smaller letters if I was so inclined to tweak the font in this post, but it's not worth the trouble. lol The "hate" part is dealing with the ridiculous design of the throat. I have a feeling that someone at Ridgid thought, "Hey...if we design the throat of this thing to be like this, then it would be so downright difficult for customers to make their own ZC inserts, we can offer ours!" Unfortunately, Ridgid never saw this through. Apparently the only ZC inserts, that are available, online (that I've found, anyway), are Leecraft. I bought one of those and, through the poor packaging (which allowed the thin locking lip at the back of the insert to get snapped mostly off) and my own stupidity in rushing without thinking things through, mine looks like it has been in a war zone. It still works, but looks like the back end of an Orangutan!
Great review! Love the in detail review. Much better then just reading specs from a sheet
Mayonnaise- super glad I watched this bc I am a furniture builder looking for a better miter saw. I don’t have the funds for a kapex, so I was looking into a Bosch or delta cruzer when I saw yours. Glad to know it’s the same as the delta bc I need that style for my workspace. Any suggestions to look into for the shorter style depth compared to the long bar style?
Definitely DO NOT buy this one! I’ve never used them, but I’ve heard good things about the Bosch, Makita, and high end dewalt
Mayonnaise. Thank you for the review. The amount of saw deflection is a "no go" for my needs. I appreciate the honesty. The absence of a lifetime warranty is disconcerting.
Thanks for watching! I truly appreciate the support!
Mayonnaise:
Thank you for providing an unbiased review. So, have you tried any DeWalt miter saws?
For production, there is a reason why many carpenters buy the Skil model 77, 7-1/4 inch saw, namely, reliability. After crowning the lumber and by using a speed square some folks might be surprised how accurate those old technology saws actually are and they are not limited to on the ground use only. For larger dimensional lumber, the Magnesium SAWSQUATCH Worm Drive (Diablo Blade)SKILSAW SPT70WM-22 10-1/4 Inch blade along with a speed square makes accurate cuts, and if that doesn't float you boat, then perhaps the ultimate beam saw, the Skilsaw SPT70V-11 SUPER SAWSQUATCH 16-5/16-Inch Worm Drive Circular Saw Bundle with 32 Tooth ATB General Saw Blade (16-5/16-Inch) along with a speed square makes accurate cuts.
But after all of this hyperbole being said, I own the Ridgid R4222 as mounted to a portable wheeled stand by Ridgid, AC9946, and for most tasks, I still prefer an appropriately sized speed square and and either my 35 year old model 77 Skil saw 7-1/4 inch, my Magnesium SAWSQUATCH 10-1/4 inch, or my Makita 5402-A Beam saw 16-5/16 inch; mostly because they are long ago paid for, and I know what they can accomplish. All saws make a mess from sawdust, but there nothing worse than a poorly designed dust collection system.
Thanks for watching! Yes, I’ve used a dewalt saw
Mayonnaise vs miracle whip. Feels like the same thing except it's Bosch vs Ridgid. Glad mine doesn't deflect anywhere near that much
Awesome job and great commentary. She’ll do you right for years to come. Was the bench design based on Third Coast Craftsman’s design? I’ve been looking at building something similar but as a beginner was a bit daunted.
The bench is just a kreg bench
mayonnaise - As someone who is new to woodworking, (bu learning) and want to eventually potentially do some furniture projects but also have the versatility for some basic carpentry type jobs as well. Would this be a good saw? By no means expect to be a "fine furniture" maker. But would like to know I have the general ability to make some furniture type projects. Do you think that is possible without going up a level in price? thank you in advance for any wisdom you can share. I appreciate it!
Nicely done video!!! You came up in my video feed for the first time today. I just subscribed. Very impressed with your presentation.
Thank you very much, Scott! You’ve got a lot of videos to catch up on 😜
I'll start checking them out ...binge watching 😊
Much appreciated! Trying my best to gain any traction I can on TH-cam 🤣
Mayonaise:
Do you think a zero clearance insert might help some with defection? I'm a beginner and need the space saving. I also go slow and use multiple passes.
Maybe, but probably not. The entire sliding mechanism is super super sloppy
Mayonnaise added Wow! Ok I was looking forward to this... Actually the Delta Razer but they are the same thing I just happen to like the blue! So my question is: what saw do you recommend for finish carpentry that can also do the same functions as this saw?
I have the previous model it's massive and heavy but the LSA is my favorite part of the miter saw . I have it on the mobile base and keep it folded up and out the way when I'm not using it.. after watching this review I won't be upgrading my saw anytime soon besides it's only 3 years old this month
Nice!
Mayonnaise. I think the problem here is the folding arm of the saw. I have a Ridgid 10" compound miter saw. I've had this saw for approximately 7 years. I'm a DYIer who likes to build boxes. My saw has straight bars that the saw runs on. There is no flex on this type of setup. The blade will flex minimally if you put a lot of force on it and I wouldn't suggest that when the saw is running for operators safety sake.I've tested this saws cuts against my table saw and there is virtually no difference. My suggestion...stay away from the folding arm set up. Straight rails take up more space but you don't have variations in the cuts. Very happy with my saw.
Really appreciate this review! The sliding mech had me getting attached but the dust collection and potential precision issues you showed are enough to spend on something else.
Thanks for watching! I truly appreciate the support!
Mayonnaise-Thanks for the review Eric! I’m about to start my research into a miter saw so good to know about the good, the bad and the ugly about this one
Thanks for checking it out! If possible, I’d really suggest getting your hands on the saws in person.
Mayonnaise! Looking at this as for DIY projects and home improvement stuff. Will be doing some wainscoting and crown, shelving and such. Would you recommend the DeWalt 780 over this? I like the articulating arm. Other options are the Harbor Freight ones?
It's funny. I just watched a video on the delta. Saw this and was like "oh, it's a black and orange delta" lol. Great review. And the always sunny clip definitely sealed the subscribe lol
Thanks so much for the support, Rob!
Excellent review and thanks.
Thank you very much, duong!
Mayonnaise for a little more money I would get - AND I DID! - Bosch glide, which, for me at least, seems WAAAAY more accurate, if heavier. I like Ridgid, most of my power tools are Ridgid, but yes, I am transitioning to Bosch. It was between Bosch and Makita, and I seem to have picked the less powerful of the two, but overall, Bosch seems to be more...refined, at least for the less "brutal" power-need.
Thanks for the review, I didn't even know Ridgid had this in their lineup, even if it is a Metabo, afterall....
People seem to like that one!
Great review ! The only thing I'd add is mayonnaise ! Huge respect for a REAL review !
Mayonnaise!!! #ditchthemitersaw
The more I watch the reviews and the finer things I try to build, the more I realize I really just need to invest in a solid miter sled for my table saw. Thanks for this!!
You can do it! ditch the miter saw!
Mayonnaise - so the clamp thing, I have a cheap mitre saw (non-sliding) that cost me £50 from a big store here in the UK - the clamp on it, the hole thing adjusts on the pole at the back and then tighten. So don't have to do the whole turning thing.
That quick adjustment clamp is exactly what every saw needs! It’s pretty uncommon to find here in the states 🤷♂️
Mayonnaise: great review this would have changed my mind had I seen the video before I spent the $300, which was a deal, for the saw secondhand but still brand new. I was sold immediately on the arm system, even after seeing your video still no regrets damn good saw and if you take out one of the back plates or the fences you'll have much as your time with the clamp!
Glad it’s working for ya!
Mayonnaise... Enjoyed the video and was seriously looking at it until now.
Appreciate your honesty.
Thanks, Jerry! I tried my best to be as fair and honest as possible
Mayonnaise - great review. I'm going to look into comparisons with deflection on the dewalt dw780, bosch axial glide, etc... similar deflection at a similar price point.
Thanks for watching Matthew! I’m confused though… are you making a statement or a question about you looking at other saws? Don’t quite understand
Mayonnaise. You're not using the hold down clamp right. You can slide it down the shaft until it contacts the piece and then twist the knob to tighten.
Also, I just picked one of these up when it was on sale. They may have tightened things up because there's barely any deflection in the blade now. I tested every sliding saw at home depot and Lowe's and they all had very similar deflection and the Ridgid was had an average amount to less than average amount of deflection.
Thank you for watching
I can't believe Ridgid would make such a horrible saw. You cannot have deflection like this if your building fine anything. And as for the dust, thats unacceptable. This saw invented the title CHOP SAW !. Thats why when I was shopping for a accurate Miter Saw I purchased a Festool Kapex 120, 11 years ago and never looked back. Of course Festool needs to improve their dust collection also. Festool makes working with wood fun again. And I never had any issues with blade deflection with Festool . Enjoyed your review, one of the best on TH-cam . (Mayonnaise)
Thanks, Barry! I appreciate the support
Mayonnaise. I would like to see the deflection of this saw vs other saws in its class. It seems like people are saying that the ones that articulate have slightly more than the ones with linear rails. I think it would be much more accurate to compare it with dewalt, Milwaukee, or Bosch. Festool sets a bit too high of a bar. Still a very good review though, I appreciate how thorough it was.
Mayonaise do you think it would be possible to change the gear ratio to cut metal?
Iwas concerned that it would lack power
Needing to upgrade ours in the future yard sale find
Probably won’t find this one at a yard sale anytime soon