These were still stocked in numbers in a small regional arsenal where I worked for a while as a young guy after my service in the early 1980s. The Finnish doctrine then was an area defense and there were small warehouses around. Likewise, Mosins, in the unheated smaller storage room that we oiled 2* yearly.
@@remcovanvliet3018 After all, all the Finnish DP-27s the were captured afaik they were never acquired otherwise. Now the PKM is the 99% popular choice over our own KvKK62 that everyone hates, and that is on its way out.
@@Itapirkanmaa2 I don't speak Finnish, but I heard that PKM stands for something like Paska Kanssa Metsä in Finnish? Meaning something like Crap to Carry in the Woods? I'm sure my version of Finnish is wrong, but hopefully close enough for you to understand what I'm after? And it still is the more popular gun, over the KvKK62? :-)
JNA (Yugoslav People's Army) had the same hoarder syndrom. When the civil war broke, there were some unbelieveable guns being issued straight from the storages.
@@Niinsa62 No, the PKM is much liked. The KvKK on the other hand is "Kelpaa vain KävelyKepiksi" "Good only for a walking stick" and more. There is a KvKK entry on this very channel, you can check that one out if you do not believe me ..
That some troops put the flash hider on backward illustrates the need to make a military issued firearm as simple and foolproof as possible, because if there is a way to screw it up, a recruit will find it.
Even ostensibly/allegedly intelligent and well-trained personnel will do things with the firearms they are expected to be proficient with that boggle the mind. - attempting to insert the bolt carrier group into an M4 backwards. Repeatedly. - inserting the firing pin retaining pin into the BCG of an M4 *before* dropping the firing pin into it...and reassembling the weapon the rest of the way. - using the wings on either side of the front sight post to aim...we fortunately managed to cure even our dimmest bulbs of this habit *before* we succumbed to acute alcoholism. - forgetting to align the gas piston of an M14 with the asymmetric cut-out in the gas key, then simply applying more torque when the gas plug wouldn't go in any more. Gas plug ended up flush, but the rifle had to be sent away to be repaired. - diligently, over the course of a weekend, polishing the slide of their issue sidearm to the point where the certified, bonded, corrosion-resistand finish had been completely removed and the surface of the slide looked like a dark chrome. That pistol is, afaik, on display at the agency's training facility. - almost forgot...inserting the 30-round magazine into their M4 backwards and being perplexed when the weapon malfunctions. I could go on...and on...and on...
Murphy’s Law states that if something can be used correctly or incorrectly, and the incorrect way will cause destruction, they will most likely use it incorrectly.
Finnish nickname for DP-27 was "Emma". That kinda rotating magazine resembled spinning record. Waltz "Emma" was a hit back in -39 and it stuck. Finns dumped own Lahti-Saloranta -26:s and took DP-27 to use because it was better and more reliable.
Wait did you just read the post two above yours and just re word it? (The info that someone shared as a personal story told to them by a relative) Who the heck does that.. just for likes? Thats pretty pathetic bro, dislike 👎
The thing about seriously considering stripper clip style of feed was connected to problem of producing enough pan magazines and factories struggle of making them interchangeable between the guns. High-capacity magazines was serious problem for a variety of Soviet weapons at the time.
Unless you know how to dismantle the magazine, don’t....you don’t want to learn on the job. The attempts to make a reloading tool for the magazine likely got several Research & Design Bureaus purged for destruction of state property.
I own one of these in non-firing state as a display piece. One thing about the magazine that I've never seen mentioned is that when you have the weapon slung the top of the mag rests against the front of your lower torso. It's so large and flat that it distributes the weight very evenly across that area and makes it surprisingly comfortable to carry.
@Roughman actually 7.62x25 tend to over penetration. The nature of the round while it gives the round more accurate at range, tend to over penetrate and deal little damage on tissues, but the fire rate of PPSH help to solve this problem. But after WW2, Soviet found that 7.62x25mm have lack of stopping power compare with 9mm and they already have 7.62x39mm to replace the role of both 7.62x54R and 7.62x25mm so they replaced it with 9x18mm.
@@andrewgates9333 yes but when you have 7.62x39 to do that role better, and the PPS43 only shoot 600RPM instead 1000RPM like PPSH, obviously overpenetration but lack of stopping power is a trade off. And since AK replace the role of PPSH, SKS replace Mosin anf SVT while RPD replace DPM. The only weapon use 7.62x25 left was TT-33. and use it for police and officer. Now penetration become a problem as it tend to ricochet. So they changed to 9mm
Whether you are out patroling the rice fields, securing a replica castle on top of a Tokyo skyscraper, or shooting at a sandstorm from a bi-plane in 1920's Egypt, you can count on this gun to get the job done.
@@alaskanbullworm5500 It's funny we have CNC machines now that can make the most intricate designs with tolerances down to a millionth of an inch yet I bet making a flapper lock would still be too much of a hassle to the manufactures. Tool & Die died with the 20th century.
Normally its surplus or guns got replaced by new standards so they're sold relatively cheap on the markets if they still work, cus you know they still kill, guns from WW2 are still being used to this day by various militaries due to the extreme surpluses made, especially guns like the Mosin Nagant that were made in way higher numbers than actually needed
@@Brian-tn4cd I’m aware, it was just a joke cuz New Hampshire is the state I wouldn’t expect to have weapons like this in my mind, thanks for the explanation
The owner used to keep his collection on the walls of the local firing range, but then opened a gun shop and turned part of it into a museum. I turned a lot of money into full-auto noise at that range.
@@dongulio5539 There's tens of thousands of these and other surplus machine guns in the US, in every State. These can still be purchased as parts kits as well and those with a manufacturing license or who don't give a shit what the government says can rebuild them without too much difficulty.
It's always weird thinking "How come they've never done ________ in a firearm?" and then watching Forgotten Weapons and realizing they have. This time it was the idea of using the firing pin to push out 2 wedges and lock the action.
I got to meet him there. Fantastic store and the guy who owns the museum has some one of a kind firearms that don't exist anywhere else. Apparently there's a .22LR M1 carbine that there was only 1 prototype of in there. Don't know if he'll do a video on that but I know he said he did quite the handful of firearms reviews here.
As most know, the flat pan-type magazine remains the most reliable method of feeding the tapered and rimmed 7.62x54r cartridge, especially into a light machine gun/SAW.
3:57 Russian doesn't use Latin script so when transliteration is used there are usually no silent letters, which is to say all letters in Frunze are pronounced.
@@BigFatNasty Sure, but does the gun run? Yes. And imagine how little maintance there was on those guns for like 60 years at this point. It is the testament to how durable this weapon is, even though it is outdated in every possible way.
Hi, Ian. This is a very interesting gun. It is "near-steampunk" in style. However the bolt design is simple and clever. A locked-spring drum-loader would make it very handy. Using a lighter cartridge would enable a double stacked drum. If the cartridges were 25% thinner, a double stacked drum might hold 100 cartridges. Semi-auto fire could probably be achieved by a simple trigger position sear. Basically, I like it. Thanks for sharing! Stay Healthy!
It refers back to Gun Jesus' play on "The Far Side" country of Elbonia...he has done several videos on the imaginary County of Elbonia and their choices of weapons.
I remember my grand father telling me about this weapon. He was in the finnish military in the late 50s and early 60s and he told me about how the finnish machine gunners replaced their LS/26s for a dp 27 when they could get their hands on one. He also told me the backstory behind the finnish nickname emma for the dp 27
Dude, you can't just drop barely half of a -apparently- very cool military-related trivia and then leave us hanging for the rest of it. That's beyond the definition of sadism!
@@giec3484 well then. It was a dark and stormy night jk. The name comes from a very popular at the time finnish song from the 1930s. The reason that the name is ised for a machine gun is because the song was on those old discs and the magazine on the top reminded the soldiers of an old vinyl disc
Hearing you call a Maxim MG08/15 a light machine gun was weird, but then I looked it up and found out the /15 actually IS a LMG variant. I learn something every time I watch one of these videos.
Nice and very informative video on the DP-27. Got to fire one while in Cambodia at an indoor public range on the grounds of the Cambodian Army’s Fourth Troops Training Center base north of Siem Reap. It was the most expensive of the four automatic weapons fired (price included one full magazine), with it running USD $70 versus the AK47 ($40), Czech SA-26 ($40) and PPSh-41 ($50). One interesting hiccup was after a three round burst, I released the trigger while still depressing the grip safety, but the gun ran an extra four rounds (maybe slam-fire runaway?), which caused the gun’s loosely-goosey bipod to skip further back along the shooting bench and pushing me along for the ride. The ranger master saw the runaway occur and quickly put a palm behind my shoulder to combat the recoil, and was surprised as I was at the apparent malfunction. The gun subsequently ran as intended for the remainder of the pan. At that was my only option for ‘boom-boom’ in Cambodia as a married man.
This was the service weapon of the ex President of Finland, Mr Mauno Koivisto who passed away few years ago. He served in WW 2 special forces under Captain Lauri Törni, or Larry Thorn as he was known in U.S. Green Berets later. They conducted aggressive reconnaissance missions behind enemy lines. Mr. Koivisto still remembered the serial number of his service weapon in an interview. That very gun is now in a collection of Finnish war museum.
No surprise this design was as effective and long-lived as it was - the internal design is amazingly elegant and free of complex machining. I'd imagine it was fairly cheap and easy to build and maintain.
Russia: *brings a whole bunch of guns and such to Finland in the late 1930s* Finland: "Ah yes, from each according to his abilities to each according to their needs. Thanks for the guns, we needed those."
probably I'm wrong, but guner himself had a shoulder bag with 3 of mags and 1 mag in MG. Assistang was carrying 2 bags or metal boxes with pans and loading tool. So in total you had 470 rounds and ability to load pans with loose cartridges in combat.
It was used mostly in gunners nests with a squad. But 1 drum in gun, and 3 in a pouch equals 280 rounds of long range suppressive fire. Gun weighs 25 lbs loaded and each mag is probably another few pounds a piece
I mean, this is basically a single stack mag, stamped-metal-to-cartridges-ratio-wise. Not ideal, but it does the job. To me a bigger problem is it's shape and size, especially because it increases the one otherwise minimal dimension of the gun - it's width. Also I can imagine fumbling with that motherfucker when trying to reload, definitely not a one-hand operation
@@azkrouzreimertz9784 the balance does matter for carrying it! Depending on the sling placement, having it unbalanced could make carrying much less comfortable, especially for tiny people.
love the thought that goes into russian guns its just crazy what the requirements and final products come out as like seriously 20 thousand rounds for an extractor claw is a hell of a task
Adding to the naming confusion, the word for eight in Russian is the same as the word for seven but with a two letter prefix. I imagine that doesn't help.
They were completely different words initially, but then people modify one of them so that they are easier to remember. In this case, 7 remained as it was and 8 changed. In Russian it is also the case with 9 and 10, but this time 10 kept the word and 9 got transformed. That's also a thing in many other languages, each time with different numbers. Not in English, though.
Isn't the confusion fueled additionally by the fact that Soviets really called it just DP (without a year suffix) at the time? Degtyareva, Pekhotnyi (Degtyarev, Infantry [machine gun])
The Alexander Arms 'Ulfbert' 338. Lapua semi-auto rifle uses a derivative of this exact action - but right side up, it's actually a constant recoil design too. It soaks up virtually all of the 338.'s energy with only a flash hider mounted.
Degtyarev, THAT's where the nickname of the gun in my dialect comes from! This gun or updated version of it was heavily used by the Chinese army in the Korean War. My uncle had actually trained on this light machine gun briefly during weapons training when he was in the army, construction unit (not the same as combat engineering unit). He says he can get the first 2 or 3 rounds on target right where he wants them to be, but the following rounds will be in a large dispersed area. He says the damn thing kicks like a crazy mule in full auto.!
I mean, that flash hider basically doubles as a muzzle booster, combine that with 7,62x54 and it's no surprise it kicks hard. Kinda surprised it has good accuracy with open bolt though
Soviet Ordnance Board: "Comrade Degtyarev, why does the magazine hold *47* rounds, and not 50?" Degtyarev: "The significance of this number will become apparent in due time."
Had a chance to fire one of these on a military range a few years back. Very easy to use - especially changing the mag. Easier to get a wide spread of fire than I thought it would be. The grip safety has to be pulled in really tight though.
I got one of these in semi auto after Ian reviewed and liked it. Cool gun, can be fired from the hip with a sling in walking fire. What I didn't know is it won't cycle the bolt fully back with Wolf ammo (not hot enough, and the manufacturer doesn't say that). You have to use surplus ammo (Romanian, etc). Pan mags were fairly cheap 3-4 years ago, I have 6.
A friend of mine has a semi-auto version of this gun. One aspect that I noted with it was the exposed opening for the gas-tube near the muzzle of the gun. I thought it strange for such an opening to exist as it seemed like a good way for dirt and crud to work its way into the gas system, compromising the gun's reliability.
This finally answered my question about whether the DP-27 had a QC barrel. The closest online reference I could find was a forum post saying they were simple to change, but that only armorers had spare barrels. Now I get the impression that doctrine intended for spare barrels to be issued to LMG teams, but whether you actually had a spare barrel was highly questionable.
The manufacturing started in 1927 actually. Friend of mine has one made in 1927. Huge difference in manufacturing and finishing in comparison to WW2 manufactured DPs. Finnish nomenclature for these is DP m/27. Finnish soldiers referred to it with name "Emma".
3:55 Frunze is pronounced with voiced 'e', like _/froonzeh/._ 5:05 Only in the West, the official date in the Soviet service was 1927. 17:56 Speaking of being economical, in 1939 PM1910/30 (the Maxim gun) was priced at 1760 roubles even without a mount - 110 roubles more than a wing-mounted ShKAS! And the mount added another 900 to 4200 roubles to the price tag depending on the type of mount. A DP was priced at 1150 roubles, although its magazines costed nearly as much as 250-round belts - 17 roubles vs 19.
When Mauno Koivisto was in Lauri Törni's (later known as Larry Thorne) unit he ran a DP-27. Koivisto was the Finnish president from 1982 to 1988. The exact gun he ran during war time was found in a weapons cache in later years too! So you can see the presidents DP-27 in a museum.
That sight reminds me a lot of the M44. Other aspects of the gun are pretty typical of Russian gun manufacturing and the color of that Russian wood always gets me. There's just something about it that you love and hate at the same time... All together, it seems a pretty typical Russian design. Functional but hardly elegant in appearance and fairly loose tolerances all around. That made them pretty "peasant" proof but created its own issues. I love the simplicity of that locking system. The size of that firing pin was just jaw dropping. The big weakness in this whole setup, I'd have to guess, would seem to be the relative complexity of making the pan magazines or the one you're trying to get on/off being damaged and just not cooperating. Makes me wish I could get a chance to shoot one of them.
I've been following Ian for so many years. I've watched this video probably 4-5 times over the years, and now YT is demanding I see it again. For the last week it keeps popping up as a auto play, in the recommended video side panel and in the top of my home page. Ok, ok, YT I'll watch it again.
"Official" soviet short name for this LMG is DP (without -27 or -28) = Degtyarev Pekhotny (russian "Degtyarev for Infantry"). Also other variants - DT (Degtyarev for Tanks), DA (Degtyarev for Aviation).
One of the main reasons to go for a "plate" mag was lack of springs suitable for box magazine. But Soviet union had a working factory that made gramophones that was able to produce springs for DP mags
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Fun fact: The magazine also doubles as a film reel containing the original cut of “Battleship Potemkin”
Or a frisbee
I'd pay to see that... (seriously, it's one of the classics of cinema).
HEAVENLY POTEMKIN BUSTERRR
Finall, after all this time, a 'fun fact' that is both fun and factually 👍
@@SonsOfLorgar Also true
"The gun is full auto"
As it should be, as it should be.
As the Lord intended.
@@douglasmcnay644 Thou shall use only full auto. - Bible, probably
so,..the record flips sides on its own...niiiiiice
full auto is useless outside of supresssion ie psychological warfare
Tell that to the millions of unfortunates who got caught in a beaten zone
These were still stocked in numbers in a small regional arsenal where I worked for a while as a young guy after my service in the early 1980s.
The Finnish doctrine then was an area defense and there were small warehouses around. Likewise, Mosins, in the unheated smaller storage room that we oiled 2* yearly.
Hey... We all know, woe the man who pisses off a Finn with a Mosin... If you don't believe me, ask the Russians.
@@remcovanvliet3018 After all, all the Finnish DP-27s the were captured afaik they were never acquired otherwise.
Now the PKM is the 99% popular choice over our own KvKK62 that everyone hates, and that is on its way out.
@@Itapirkanmaa2 I don't speak Finnish, but I heard that PKM stands for something like Paska Kanssa Metsä in Finnish? Meaning something like Crap to Carry in the Woods? I'm sure my version of Finnish is wrong, but hopefully close enough for you to understand what I'm after? And it still is the more popular gun, over the KvKK62? :-)
JNA (Yugoslav People's Army) had the same hoarder syndrom. When the civil war broke, there were some unbelieveable guns being issued straight from the storages.
@@Niinsa62 No, the PKM is much liked. The KvKK on the other hand is "Kelpaa vain KävelyKepiksi" "Good only for a walking stick" and more. There is a KvKK entry on this very channel, you can check that one out if you do not believe me ..
Ah yes, the "DinnerPlate-27".
Not like they're using them for much else
ah, yes, Tachankas light machine gun!
(joke)
@@jakubas6396 it is tho
😂😂
Always found the "Dinner plate-twenty eight" to rhyme a lot better.
That some troops put the flash hider on backward illustrates the need to make a military issued firearm as simple and foolproof as possible, because if there is a way to screw it up, a recruit will find it.
Pretty sure they didn't put it backwards, they just never reversed it after the gun was taken from long-term storage
Even ostensibly/allegedly intelligent and well-trained personnel will do things with the firearms they are expected to be proficient with that boggle the mind.
- attempting to insert the bolt carrier group into an M4 backwards. Repeatedly.
- inserting the firing pin retaining pin into the BCG of an M4 *before* dropping the firing pin into it...and reassembling the weapon the rest of the way.
- using the wings on either side of the front sight post to aim...we fortunately managed to cure even our dimmest bulbs of this habit *before* we succumbed to acute alcoholism.
- forgetting to align the gas piston of an M14 with the asymmetric cut-out in the gas key, then simply applying more torque when the gas plug wouldn't go in any more. Gas plug ended up flush, but the rifle had to be sent away to be repaired.
- diligently, over the course of a weekend, polishing the slide of their issue sidearm to the point where the certified, bonded, corrosion-resistand finish had been completely removed and the surface of the slide looked like a dark chrome. That pistol is, afaik, on display at the agency's training facility.
- almost forgot...inserting the 30-round magazine into their M4 backwards and being perplexed when the weapon malfunctions.
I could go on...and on...and on...
@@christopherreed4723 if you make idiot proof equipment. Command will issue a better idiot.
Murphy’s Law states that if something can be used correctly or incorrectly, and the incorrect way will cause destruction, they will most likely use it incorrectly.
@@christopherreed4723 Clearing the chamber with a loaded magazine and doing a "dry fire". All without hearing protection on.
Finnish nickname for DP-27 was "Emma". That kinda rotating magazine resembled spinning record. Waltz "Emma" was a hit back in -39 and it stuck.
Finns dumped own Lahti-Saloranta -26:s and took DP-27 to use because it was better and more reliable.
You can listen to it here: th-cam.com/video/ggRnk0qeU7Q/w-d-xo.html
It also gave its name to Finnish equivalent of the Grammy Award
Having held and shot Lahti-Saloranta it's easy to see why they liked Emma more.
Wait did you just read the post two above yours and just re word it? (The info that someone shared as a personal story told to them by a relative)
Who the heck does that.. just for likes?
Thats pretty pathetic bro, dislike 👎
Yes indeed, the Degtyarev is a much better gun than the LS26.
@@imperfectly-balanced8861 It's a well known anecdote in Finland. Everyone with a passing interest in the war(s) knows it.
The thing about seriously considering stripper clip style of feed was connected to problem of producing enough pan magazines and factories struggle of making them interchangeable between the guns. High-capacity magazines was serious problem for a variety of Soviet weapons at the time.
Don't forget that it also opens a possibility to supply riflemen and a machine gunner with the same ammo in clips wich soldiers can share if needed
@@sergeireischel1610 I forger
@@grzegorzbrzeczyszykiewic3338 I forgor💀
Unless you know how to dismantle the magazine, don’t....you don’t want to learn on the job.
The attempts to make a reloading tool for the magazine likely got several Research & Design Bureaus purged for destruction of state property.
DP is mostly gravity feed
I own one of these in non-firing state as a display piece. One thing about the magazine that I've never seen mentioned is that when you have the weapon slung the top of the mag rests against the front of your lower torso. It's so large and flat that it distributes the weight very evenly across that area and makes it surprisingly comfortable to carry.
Auto caption: "Taking a look at the standard Russian light machine gun of WWII. This is the dead giraffe."
I laughed, thanks
Material shortages really took a toll on em.
In the Russian infantry squad there was no barrel to change. The number 2 only carried ammunition. The barrel was only removed for cleaning.
@Roughman actually 7.62x25 tend to over penetration. The nature of the round while it gives the round more accurate at range, tend to over penetrate and deal little damage on tissues, but the fire rate of PPSH help to solve this problem. But after WW2, Soviet found that 7.62x25mm have lack of stopping power compare with 9mm and they already have 7.62x39mm to replace the role of both 7.62x54R and 7.62x25mm so they replaced it with 9x18mm.
"Overpenetration" might be quite valuable when shooting at enemies clumped up in a trench.
@@boocomban offensive weapons in war require fmj. Fmj you want penetration. Hague convention or Geneva convention---> offensive weapons FMJ.
@@andrewgates9333 yes but when you have 7.62x39 to do that role better, and the PPS43 only shoot 600RPM instead 1000RPM like PPSH, obviously overpenetration but lack of stopping power is a trade off. And since AK replace the role of PPSH, SKS replace Mosin anf SVT while RPD replace DPM. The only weapon use 7.62x25 left was TT-33. and use it for police and officer. Now penetration become a problem as it tend to ricochet. So they changed to 9mm
Low rate of fire + no belt feed =cool barrel
Whether you are out patroling the rice fields, securing a replica castle on top of a Tokyo skyscraper, or shooting at a sandstorm from a bi-plane in 1920's Egypt, you can count on this gun to get the job done.
This is not the gun used to fire on a sandstorm from a biplane in 1920s egypt... that gun would of been an aircraft model of a lewis gun
Okay I am very curious as to what reference is "securing a replica castle on top of a Tokyo skyscraper"...
@@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 remind me when he tells us
@@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 yeah I'm not getting that reference either
@@axelpatrickb.pingol3228 I think he's referencing the skyscraper map from R6S
"Godamn hoss, where the hell did you find that relic?"
"From under a bunch of dead bodies, and they all looked surprised!"
LMG!, MOUNTED AND LOADED!
"Same joke every goddamn time"
"YOU'RE THE RELIC, YOU'RE ALL RELIC. I'M BETTER KEPT THAN YOUR FUCKING WIFE"
- DP28 -
I'm still not too sure what he meant by that xD
Now that's an odd reference to see in the wild
The wingnut attachment for the bipod gives it that genuine blacksmith/hardware store Soviet aesthetic.
Why do I like flapper locked bolts so much, seems like such an elegantly simple solution.
And notoriously hard to machine unfortunately.
An elegant simple solition, for a more civilised time
@@alaskanbullworm5500 It's funny we have CNC machines now that can make the most intricate designs with tolerances down to a millionth of an inch yet I bet making a flapper lock would still be too much of a hassle to the manufactures. Tool & Die died with the 20th century.
The reason why rotation locking bolts won over is because you don't need a really strong receiver (for the flaps to lock into)
@@StanislavG. would kinda stink when they flap through the sides of a stamped receiver?
Somebody did a nice job repairing the receiver after it had been cut in half!! I am surprised you didn't point it out Ian you do most of the time.
"Want to hear a record?"
"Sure"
****DAKKA DAKKA DAKKA****
"Your record is loud, got another?"
"They're all loud, my favourite song is DAKKA!"
IT BETTA BE YA GIT!
We need more Dakka
DEREZ NEVA ENUFF DAKKA
@@shrimpfried2740 RELOAD FOR MORE DAKKA
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My confusion isn’t why it’s called the dp-27 or 28, my confusion is why New Hampshire of all states has a standard issue soviet light machine gun
Normally its surplus or guns got replaced by new standards so they're sold relatively cheap on the markets if they still work, cus you know they still kill, guns from WW2 are still being used to this day by various militaries due to the extreme surpluses made, especially guns like the Mosin Nagant that were made in way higher numbers than actually needed
@@Brian-tn4cd I’m aware, it was just a joke cuz New Hampshire is the state I wouldn’t expect to have weapons like this in my mind, thanks for the explanation
Cuz New Hampshire is badass that’s why
The owner used to keep his collection on the walls of the local firing range, but then opened a gun shop and turned part of it into a museum. I turned a lot of money into full-auto noise at that range.
@@dongulio5539 There's tens of thousands of these and other surplus machine guns in the US, in every State. These can still be purchased as parts kits as well and those with a manufacturing license or who don't give a shit what the government says can rebuild them without too much difficulty.
It's always weird thinking "How come they've never done ________ in a firearm?" and then watching Forgotten Weapons and realizing they have. This time it was the idea of using the firing pin to push out 2 wedges and lock the action.
I've never heard of the Shooter's Outpost Museum before but I can't wait to see what fantastic arms are in store next.
It's my LGS. Owner has an insane collection of machine guns, enough to have his own museum.
My LGS also. Great place.
Same here I got down there about every weekend haha
@@kyleward1654 Damn yall got half the town out here
I got to meet him there. Fantastic store and the guy who owns the museum has some one of a kind firearms that don't exist anywhere else. Apparently there's a .22LR M1 carbine that there was only 1 prototype of in there. Don't know if he'll do a video on that but I know he said he did quite the handful of firearms reviews here.
I love protecting my rice field with this thing on rising storm 2
i liked to protect Moscow with this
I prefer to push back the germans at Stalingrad with this
"Screw you G.I, I will kill you G.I!"
PAVN soldier
" G.I. go home!"
YAHHR
For anyone wondering, the Maxim Tokarev is basically what you get if you built a Stinger MG using a maxim instead of a browning
Glad to see what the "flapper" locked bolt you featured came from.
I'm actually impressed by the simplicity in this wow
00 7: IIRC DP-27 has the least amount of moving parts of any rifle calibre full auto weapon. Record may still hold, atleast in LMG category.
Seeing the trigger and the receiver will always remind me of the RPD.
LMG no longer mounted, but still loaded
I never cease to be amazed by Ian's knowledge and depth of historical info. Great upload!
As most know, the flat pan-type magazine remains the most reliable method of feeding the tapered and rimmed 7.62x54r cartridge, especially into a light machine gun/SAW.
Some say you can hear "MOUNTED AND LOADED" in the background if you're careful
Dude, I didn't start playing siege till after they removed his turret : (
Oh man, I didn't know Shooters' museum was finally open. I'll have to go visit when I get a day off. Thanks, Ian!
I'm sitting here watching, going "oh, beautiful, beautiful!" What a gorgeous design.
I'm sitting here watching going "AAAA AAAA AAAAA AAAA" What a AAAAAAAAAAAAA!
3:57 Russian doesn't use Latin script so when transliteration is used there are usually no silent letters, which is to say all letters in Frunze are pronounced.
its such a simple yet reliable gun. No wonder its still being used today.
Modernized versions, yes. The orignal version has problems.
What do you mean this is still in use today? Only people with these are the ones with turbans and no body armor.
@@BigFatNasty Sure, but does the gun run? Yes. And imagine how little maintance there was on those guns for like 60 years at this point. It is the testament to how durable this weapon is, even though it is outdated in every possible way.
I have seen Houthi rebels in Yemen use this gun...
@@BigFatNasty exactly , people using it means it’s in use. Are you confused?
Hi, Ian. This is a very interesting gun. It is "near-steampunk" in style. However the bolt design is simple and clever. A locked-spring drum-loader would make it very handy. Using a lighter cartridge would enable a double stacked drum. If the cartridges were 25% thinner, a double stacked drum might hold 100 cartridges. Semi-auto fire could probably be achieved by a simple trigger position sear. Basically, I like it. Thanks for sharing! Stay Healthy!
My god, the mechanical simplicity and yet the inguinity on display, this gun is truly a marvel of soviet gun design.
I heard a rumor that Major Chaos and General Disarray, of the Elbonian Military R&D Department turned these down in favor of the Chauchat.
Can you explain the elbonian army thing.
It refers back to Gun Jesus' play on "The Far Side" country of Elbonia...he has done several videos on the imaginary County of Elbonia and their choices of weapons.
@@masonborden5594 it came out of a Q&A. Where he was asked what WWII surplus he would equip the Elbonian Army with if he were a traitor...
Just happened to have gone to Shooters Outpost (my lgs) when Ian was there, was really cool to meet him in person.
I remember my grand father telling me about this weapon. He was in the finnish military in the late 50s and early 60s and he told me about how the finnish machine gunners replaced their LS/26s for a dp 27 when they could get their hands on one. He also told me the backstory behind the finnish nickname emma for the dp 27
Why do they call it "Emma"?
Dude, you can't just drop barely half of a -apparently- very cool military-related trivia and then leave us hanging for the rest of it. That's beyond the definition of sadism!
@@giec3484 what you mean the nickname?
@@themythofthefacelessman2180 yes! I'm very curious about the story behind it!
@@giec3484 well then. It was a dark and stormy night jk. The name comes from a very popular at the time finnish song from the 1930s. The reason that the name is ised for a machine gun is because the song was on those old discs and the magazine on the top reminded the soldiers of an old vinyl disc
For a gun nearly a hundred years old, that thing is in fantastic condition.
Hearing you call a Maxim MG08/15 a light machine gun was weird, but then I looked it up and found out the /15 actually IS a LMG variant. I learn something every time I watch one of these videos.
Dang! You were right up the road from me! I would've really liked to shake your hand and thank you in person for such a great channel!
Nice and very informative video on the DP-27. Got to fire one while in Cambodia at an indoor public range on the grounds of the Cambodian Army’s Fourth Troops Training Center base north of Siem Reap. It was the most expensive of the four automatic weapons fired (price included one full magazine), with it running USD $70 versus the AK47 ($40), Czech SA-26 ($40) and PPSh-41 ($50). One interesting hiccup was after a three round burst, I released the trigger while still depressing the grip safety, but the gun ran an extra four rounds (maybe slam-fire runaway?), which caused the gun’s loosely-goosey bipod to skip further back along the shooting bench and pushing me along for the ride. The ranger master saw the runaway occur and quickly put a palm behind my shoulder to combat the recoil, and was surprised as I was at the apparent malfunction. The gun subsequently ran as intended for the remainder of the pan. At that was my only option for ‘boom-boom’ in Cambodia as a married man.
I don't know about the DP-27 or DP-28 controversy but TH-cam auto subtitles calls this Degtyarev a "dead giraffe"...
Русские с этим "мертвым жерафом" выиграли войну и взяли Берлин.
This was the service weapon of the ex President of Finland, Mr Mauno Koivisto who passed away few years ago. He served in WW 2 special forces under Captain Lauri Törni, or Larry Thorn as he was known in U.S. Green Berets later. They conducted aggressive reconnaissance missions behind enemy lines. Mr. Koivisto still remembered the serial number of his service weapon in an interview. That very gun is now in a collection of Finnish war museum.
Ian and Paul Harrell are in my opinion the best gun guys on YT.
Ian is the historian of guns.
Paul is the mathematician of guns.
No surprise this design was as effective and long-lived as it was - the internal design is amazingly elegant and free of complex machining. I'd imagine it was fairly cheap and easy to build and maintain.
Apparently it cost about the same as SVT rifle
Yeah, Russian soldiers used to joke that the "Dinner Plate 28" (TH-cam commenter nickname for weapon) worked better when buried under sand.
@@milesipka ah yes, russian soldiers joked with english puns, totally believe that
Russia: *brings a whole bunch of guns and such to Finland in the late 1930s*
Finland: "Ah yes, from each according to his abilities to each according to their needs. Thanks for the guns, we needed those."
And the Lord said unto his followers,
"LMG, MOUNTED AND LOADED!"
I was looking for this comment! 😂
Same
I did a model of a T/34/76 with tank riders and that machine gun is being used. I wondered about it a lot and this video answered all my questions.
watching with subtitles, "this is the dead giraffe"
literally a mile away from me, hope you enjoyed your time in NH! That gun room in shooters is very nice.
Can't imagine trying to carry large amounts of ammo for this thing in combat
probably I'm wrong, but guner himself had a shoulder bag with 3 of mags and 1 mag in MG. Assistang was carrying 2 bags or metal boxes with pans and loading tool. So in total you had 470 rounds and ability to load pans with loose cartridges in combat.
It was used mostly in gunners nests with a squad. But 1 drum in gun, and 3 in a pouch equals 280 rounds of long range suppressive fire. Gun weighs 25 lbs loaded and each mag is probably another few pounds a piece
The urge to kill was far greater
I mean, this is basically a single stack mag, stamped-metal-to-cartridges-ratio-wise. Not ideal, but it does the job. To me a bigger problem is it's shape and size, especially because it increases the one otherwise minimal dimension of the gun - it's width. Also I can imagine fumbling with that motherfucker when trying to reload, definitely not a one-hand operation
@@MrCh0o Reloading would generally be the task of the assistant gunner, no?
The fun game of: what will the auto-generated captions caption the name Degtyrev as?
My favourite was 'Dead giraffe'.
Thats my new name for it
LMG MOUNTED AND LOADED!
Yes indeed
Ian, welcome to New Hampshire, and my favorite gun store. Excellent museum. Really moving, emotional collection from many periods.
So couldn't you theoretically put the bipod on "backwards" and then you'd be able to lean into it
If you folded it, it would be under the barrel and add a lot of weight to the front of the gun.
I dont see why not, sure you shift the weight forward but the gun is not meant to be fired from the shoulder so it should not really matter
@@azkrouzreimertz9784 the balance does matter for carrying it! Depending on the sling placement, having it unbalanced could make carrying much less comfortable, especially for tiny people.
Maybe you can clamp it closer to magazine?
The bipods were often removed or lost which is why they made the one on the later dpm harder to remove
Almost took a vacation day just to meet Ian at the store. Great place. Great owner.
love the thought that goes into russian guns its just crazy what the requirements and final products come out as like seriously 20 thousand rounds for an extractor claw is a hell of a task
3:52 "attracted the attention of M.V. Frunz". - His last name is Frunzé. The last E is not silent. The correct pronunciation is closer to "Frunz-eh"
The surname Frunze is derived from the Romanian word frunză, which translates as “plant leaf”. his father was Moldovan
When you reverse the flash hider, it makes the flash even brighter to frighten your enemies!!!
I demand a loudener for this very reason. I should be able to carry an automatic flashbang!
@@amorphoussolid8512 just put the suppressor on backwards, silly.
@@joearnold6881 would that work
Adding to the naming confusion, the word for eight in Russian is the same as the word for seven but with a two letter prefix. I imagine that doesn't help.
Восемь и семь 😁
They were completely different words initially, but then people modify one of them so that they are easier to remember. In this case, 7 remained as it was and 8 changed.
In Russian it is also the case with 9 and 10, but this time 10 kept the word and 9 got transformed.
That's also a thing in many other languages, each time with different numbers. Not in English, though.
@@kusokbik That explains why russian cars have lots of tolerance
Isn't the confusion fueled additionally by the fact that Soviets really called it just DP (without a year suffix) at the time? Degtyareva, Pekhotnyi (Degtyarev, Infantry [machine gun])
@@kusokbik I was taught that 8 was considered a bad luck number, so they just called it "after 7" or "not 7" instead. Is that not correct?
I really do love this system. Дегтярев was an amazing engineer.
I did my conscript service in early 1980's (here in Finland) and we still studied also these guns. We captured lots of these during WWII.
The Alexander Arms 'Ulfbert' 338. Lapua semi-auto rifle uses a derivative of this exact action - but right side up, it's actually a constant recoil design too.
It soaks up virtually all of the 338.'s energy with only a flash hider mounted.
Degtyarev, THAT's where the nickname of the gun in my dialect comes from! This gun or updated version of it was heavily used by the Chinese army in the Korean War.
My uncle had actually trained on this light machine gun briefly during weapons training when he was in the army, construction unit (not the same as combat engineering unit). He says he can get the first 2 or 3 rounds on target right where he wants them to be, but the following rounds will be in a large dispersed area. He says the damn thing kicks like a crazy mule in full auto.!
I mean, that flash hider basically doubles as a muzzle booster, combine that with 7,62x54 and it's no surprise it kicks hard. Kinda surprised it has good accuracy with open bolt though
Soviet Ordnance Board: "Comrade Degtyarev, why does the magazine hold *47* rounds, and not 50?"
Degtyarev: "The significance of this number will become apparent in due time."
I'm sorry I don't think I-
Oh. Ooooooooh. Hahaha.
I propose Gun ASMR of Ian talking, while cleaning, disassembling, reassembling, and possibly loading firearms
Had a chance to fire one of these on a military range a few years back. Very easy to use - especially changing the mag. Easier to get a wide spread of fire than I thought it would be. The grip safety has to be pulled in really tight though.
I got one of these in semi auto after Ian reviewed and liked it. Cool gun, can be fired from the hip with a sling in walking fire. What I didn't know is it won't cycle the bolt fully back with Wolf ammo (not hot enough, and the manufacturer doesn't say that). You have to use surplus ammo (Romanian, etc). Pan mags were fairly cheap 3-4 years ago, I have 6.
На газблоке три отверстия, поверни регулятор на большее положение.
1911s have idiot marks, DP-28s have maintenance indicators :D
A friend of mine has a semi-auto version of this gun. One aspect that I noted with it was the exposed opening for the gas-tube near the muzzle of the gun. I thought it strange for such an opening to exist as it seemed like a good way for dirt and crud to work its way into the gas system, compromising the gun's reliability.
Your friend most likely has a semi-auto-only repro version built by an American company, I've heard of their existence.
I'm not an obsessive....I just base my waking hours around 1300 UK time. "its an evolved system and it works really well"
Night shift babeyyyy
@@nicholairunnels6895 when the meds kick in and Ian drops...
Mood
This finally answered my question about whether the DP-27 had a QC barrel. The closest online reference I could find was a forum post saying they were simple to change, but that only armorers had spare barrels. Now I get the impression that doctrine intended for spare barrels to be issued to LMG teams, but whether you actually had a spare barrel was highly questionable.
The manufacturing started in 1927 actually. Friend of mine has one made in 1927. Huge difference in manufacturing and finishing in comparison to WW2 manufactured DPs.
Finnish nomenclature for these is DP m/27. Finnish soldiers referred to it with name "Emma".
“LMG! MOUNTED AND LOADED!”
And the Lord said
_"Dont worry, Tachankas here"_
And it was good.
thats incredible, i used to go to shooters outpost to buy ammo all the time. crazy what a small world we live in
Somehow i heard it
"DP-28 mounted and ready!"
Or
"LMG, mounted and loaded!"
Came to the comments for this
Yup, that is the *dinner-plate!*
3:55 Frunze is pronounced with voiced 'e', like _/froonzeh/._
5:05 Only in the West, the official date in the Soviet service was 1927.
17:56 Speaking of being economical, in 1939 PM1910/30 (the Maxim gun) was priced at 1760 roubles even without a mount - 110 roubles more than a wing-mounted ShKAS! And the mount added another 900 to 4200 roubles to the price tag depending on the type of mount. A DP was priced at 1150 roubles, although its magazines costed nearly as much as 250-round belts - 17 roubles vs 19.
I own one
And yes you can fit a full size, cooked pizza on top of the magazine.
The excellent and informative intro seems to prove the old age adage; no matter what you have, the grass is always greener!
My eardrums started to have a PTSD attack as Ian disassemble the bolt
The main flaw of this gun was the pan magazine and the disassembly lever which was often lost in the field disabling the gun
Gun Jesus has finally made a video about the Lord's weapon.
“LMG mounted”
@@extraneoussolution3372 "and loaded."
RIP Mounted LMG
Yessir
The Lord be walking and may his glory set those pesky Ash's ablaze
Put a warp nacelle under each bipod leg and it's a plausible starship variant.
"The machine gun lives to 100,000 rounds"
Machine gunners in WW2 didn't live even 1/10th of that...
100,000 rounds or 100,000 soldiers retreating without orders?
When Mauno Koivisto was in Lauri Törni's (later known as Larry Thorne) unit he ran a DP-27. Koivisto was the Finnish president from 1982 to 1988.
The exact gun he ran during war time was found in a weapons cache in later years too! So you can see the presidents DP-27 in a museum.
"LMG MOUNTED AND LOADED"
Some russian man in a game.
I was looking for this thanks
Pray to the lord
Its so sad that this is gone now
Got my first elite yesterday at level 148. Maining the LORD since Feb 2019
@@quandale_dingle6353 it lives in our dreams. And our hands since it's a primary. RIP turret in wheels
That sight reminds me a lot of the M44. Other aspects of the gun are pretty typical of Russian gun manufacturing and the color of that Russian wood always gets me. There's just something about it that you love and hate at the same time... All together, it seems a pretty typical Russian design. Functional but hardly elegant in appearance and fairly loose tolerances all around. That made them pretty "peasant" proof but created its own issues. I love the simplicity of that locking system. The size of that firing pin was just jaw dropping. The big weakness in this whole setup, I'd have to guess, would seem to be the relative complexity of making the pan magazines or the one you're trying to get on/off being damaged and just not cooperating. Makes me wish I could get a chance to shoot one of them.
I've been following Ian for so many years. I've watched this video probably 4-5 times over the years, and now YT is demanding I see it again. For the last week it keeps popping up as a auto play, in the recommended video side panel and in the top of my home page. Ok, ok, YT I'll watch it again.
Wow, I always thought these would be stupidly clunky and complex. A well designed weapon.
The Russians almost always prioritize simplicity and function. It's quite fascinating to see how they simplify often complex things like guns.
Now we just need a shoot off between this and Ian's beloved Lewis gun: Project Lightening Round 2
Honestly such a beautifully simple yet effective design. Props to 1920s Soviet gun designers!
"Official" soviet short name for this LMG is DP (without -27 or -28) = Degtyarev Pekhotny (russian "Degtyarev for Infantry"). Also other variants - DT (Degtyarev for Tanks), DA (Degtyarev for Aviation).
"Hi im Ian McCollum and im going to invade Finland"
I never realized how much the humpbacked rear of the receiver resembles the the Browning Auto-5
the magazine is actually a smart idea in concept, it would allow sustained fire while laying prone while not having a mag sticking up out of the top
One of the main reasons to go for a "plate" mag was lack of springs suitable for box magazine. But Soviet union had a working factory that made gramophones that was able to produce springs for DP mags
LMG MOUNTED AND LOOOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAADED!!!!!!
Not only is Ian in New Hampshire, but I'm 30 minutes away from Shooters Outpost. Gun Jesus came to my state, what an honor.
If no one else has said it yet, let me be the first:
LMG, MOUNTED AND LOADED
Thank you for spreading the words of our lord
Yep i came looking for this knowing someone would do it
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I've always thought this gun looked really cool but the magazine design always boggled my brain. Thanks for showing how it worked. 😊
The Weapon of Choice for the "Lord"
LMG MOUNTED AND LOADED