Just found the nearly same one for $596 on ebay. $899 is just ridiculous in my opinion: www.ebay.com/itm/3500W-3000W-110Vac-Solar-Inverter-Off-Grid-110V-AC-Build-In-80A-Mppt-Controller-/124438206916?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Does off-grid solar confuse you? Check out my DIY friendly website for solar system packages and product recommendations, and so much more! www.mobile-solarpower.com Join our DIY solar community! #1 largest solar forum on the internet for beginners and professionals alike: www.diysolarforum.com Check out my best-selling, beginner-friendly 12V off-grid solar book (affiliate link): amzn.to/2Aj4dX4 If DIY is not for you, but you love solar and need an offgrid system, check out Tesla Solar. Low prices and great warranty, and they can take your entire house offgrid with their new Powerwalls: ts.la/william57509 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My solar equipment recommendations (Constantly updated! Check here first): 12V/48V Lithium Batteries: www.mobile-solarpower.com/solar-batteries.html Solar System Component Directory: www.mobile-solarpower.com/solarcomponents.html Plug-N-Play Systems: www.mobile-solarpower.com/full-size-systems.html Complete 48V System Kits: www.mobile-solarpower.com/complete-48v-solar-kits.html DIY Friendly Air Conditioner/ Heat Pumps: www.mobile-solarpower.com/solar-friendly-air-conditioners.html Complete 48V System Blueprint: www.mobile-solarpower.com/48v-complete-system-blueprint.html ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ My Favorite Online Stores for DIY Solar and Coupon Codes: -Current Connected: SOK, Victron and High Quality Components. Best prices and warranty around: currentconnected.com/?ref=wp -Signature Solar: Cheap Server Rack Batteries and Large Solar Panels: www.signaturesolar.com/?ref=h-cvbzfahsek -Ecoflow Delta Official Site: My favorite plug-n-play solar generator: us.ecoflow.com/?aff=7 -AmpereTime: Cheapest 12V batteries around: amperetime.com/products/ampere-time-12v-100ah-lithium-lifepo4-battery?ref=h-cvbzfahsek -Rich Solar: Mega site and cheaper prices than renogy! Check them out: richsolar.com/?ref=h-cvbzfahsek -Shop Solar Kits: Huge site with every solar kit you can imagine! Check it out: shopsolarkits.com/?ref=will-p -Battery Hookup: Cheap cell deals bit.ly/2mIxSqt 10% off code: diysolar -Watts 24/7: Best deals on all-in-one solar power systems, with customer support and distribution here in the USA: watts247.com/?wpam_id=3 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Contact Information: I am NOT available for personal solar system consult! If you wish to contact me, this is my direct email: williamprowsediysolar@gmail.com Join the forum at diysolarforum.com/ if you wish to hang out with myself and others and talk about solar FTC Disclosure Statement and Disclaimers: Every video includes some form of paid promotion or sponsorship. Some links on this youtube channel may be affiliate links. We may get paid if you buy something or take an action after clicking one of these. My videos are for educational purposes only. Information is subject to change/update at any time. Electricity is DANGEROUS and can kill. Be smart and use common sense :) DIY Solar Power with Will Prowse is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, An affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com
So $318 for a sub par unit, $581 for two tone paint and a sticker... That's a red flag when a premium company starts flogging it's brand/ reputation for a quick buck. Might want to gather your trusted subscribers and contacts, do a deep dive on Renogy, see if they've been bought out or had a change in the Executive team. On a personal note, it's been great to see how far you've come over the last few years, keep living in the house bud. Fill it with people you love 🦘👍
I've run across that one too and noticed the similarity. Looks like it has dual PV input rather than just the single PV input on the Renogy. Other than that, looks like a duplicate save for the nice teal color :-)
Will always tells it how it is. To fix it you have to turn it off and turn it back on again, unscrew it from wall, then take it out to the Desert and have Edwin send it to its final resting place.
@marthale7 that’s the benefit of someone getting to view numbers like his. This video has over 300K views as of my comment. That is MORE than enough TH-cam ad revenue to make up for buying the unit.
@@Isaacmantx it's not really that much money. The real benefit is that it's tax deductible for him, and while he may not do it, he can sell everything he buys at a discount and that all combines to profit
Most of my system is Renogy, but I have gone with other sellers when it's warranted. I am preparing to switch from 12v to 24v, and my current system is pieced together. Trying to decide if an all-in-one will be worth it, or if I will continue to build piece by piece. I like having the ability to replace each component in case of failures. Off-grid professional glamper in a yurt 10 months a year.
Follow up Video title: Growatt inverter DESTROYS Renogy in heat gun battle!* *Have each unit power heat guns pointed at the other until the Renogy melts into a pile of hot 💩
This video goes to show you that even when Will has a internal bias to want to like something(you can tell he wants to give it every chance he can)....he is not going to let it blind him when there are real issues present.
Best battery will change as prices change, if that is part of the criteria. I am this close to ordering 8 @3.2v prismatics, but 12v lifepos are coming down, as prismatics are going up, so I am reconsidering my options. Dollars per watt(plus overall lifetime), prismatics are still in the lead.
@@jameshughes131 I am actively shopping and defniitely would have bought Renogy over Growatt bc of the name and availablility from reputable retailers. Now the question is do we wait and see if Renogy fixes this or go for the Growatt now.
@@Ken1704 im going with growatt becuz A.) they care about pricing and customers so i want to put my money with the people who did it first and who get better over time. im gonna buy that 48v system to save on wire costs and use it without battery on a large array. I will get 4 x 12v sok or make my own
@@jameshughes131 Thank you, that is a great point. I also like Signature Solar who sells the growatt. I often think the retailer is as important as the product. I just got a 1000W inverter from Amazon and when it arrived I shake it and something is rattling inside. Amazon says take it to Kohl's and drop it off. That is amazing (and I HATE Amazon-but I get gift cards from work) but I have to admit that return experience was incredible.
Renogy existed during a Heyday for solar when you can do no wrong. With this review they came to a screeching halt and as others have pointed out they likely were already in Shell you know when the predatory furniture store sells all its inventory to company that brings semis filled with cheap crap in for 6 months of going out of business
I just bought this a month ago, working great! Only issue I had was there is a “note” on page 7 that says it has to be over 60v input from the solar panels to charge. I had it in parallel at first and couldn’t get it to charge, then called Renogy and they pointed me to this dumb note. They really should put this on page 1, other places like the I put voltage to the solar in a spec sheet, many other places. After that, I have been very happy with its performance. Solar only with 8 batteries, looking good! Also, the battery power connectors are still the same, kind of a pain, suggest using a high multi strand flexible 2 awg cable, not the stiffer bigger strand ones, as I had to fight with it for a few minutes, but at least the battery terminals didn’t break, which for me is good as I tend to man handle and break everything. Don’t know why he basically rage quit on this unit, it’s not too hard to hook up and get through the menu prompts, maybe he was just having a bad day, everybody has them. I actually liked that it was two screws to mount, once through the holes, just tightened down the screws and that was it. 60v is the key though people from the solar side, make sure you’re in series if you’re doing a couple solar panels.
So glad I came across your channel... you are leading me into the right direction with my solar system and have 100% confidence in what I'm going to purchase!
So true. His product reviews are far, far superior to anyone else's. So glad I found him a couple years ago. Everything we have bought for our RV comes directly from his recommendations.
I wanted to get this unit, but now I'm going to hold off until Renogy fixes the issues. For that price, it needs to be better than the GroWatt, not worse. Will, I hope you get your hands on the next version of that all-in-one from Renogy when it comes out. Thank you for the honest review!
One thing I love about your channel is that you are very honest and thorough in your assessment of equipment! For all the reasons which you reference, but especially the grounding wire issue (which isn't even up to code, I don't believe), this "all in one" is very problematic! I am in total agreement on your assessment: this unit cannot be recommended! I am a power plant operator, and worked in power distribution, too, for 20+ years, and I want everything electrical to be overbuilt! I'm especially critical of anything that can't be properly grounded, as I know one thing for sure (in regards to my own safety and that of others): don't be ground! Great video! Thanks for your honest appraisal of this equipment!!
Did Renogy fix these issues? Ive been looking at this and their REGO version of this thing. Should i avoid? I jist like the ability to control everything via an app. The Ecoflow PowerKit interests me too for its plug and play simplicity. Is there an alternative you would recommend? Thanks so much!!
I'm beginning to think like most that Renogy is NOW a reseller and not a manufacturer ... This product seems to have gone the route of Chinese manufacturing and tried to save a penny in every place they could -- seriously NO GROUND -- I mean seriously !!! Like so many others in this field - Renogy got lazy and just thought that they could throw anything out there and people would worship it ... Looks like they are soon to be a TIER II company and just rebranding Chinese stuff probably ...
Great video. Don’t feel bad the product didn’t work, you saved viewers tons of time and money! That is much more valuable than reviewing a product that works well.
I was excited to see a peak at the Renogy all in one but from what you have shown here I think I am leaning back toward the MPP now... thanks for the review man, cheers!
@WillProwse you may have to power off the device with the settings changed & power it back on before the settings will take effect. I had to with the rover 30 when changing it from 12v to 24v bc it was saying battery over voltage or something. Power cycling it fixed it. Keep that in mind when changing settings on devices.
I am clueless about inverters and what to buy but little by little Will, you are boosting my confidence. I want to power my house and i live in the Caribbean where solar systems are ridiculously expensive so i cant buy everything online one time. Buying stuff little by little. I really love your channel and i am continue learning!
I stopped buying anything from Renogy, the company just could not deliver my product with any kind of efficiency or timing. Delay after delay after delay! Endless excuses! Their support is a joke!
Yeah me too man I want to like him because they're cheaper than others but sometimes they just don't hit their ratings and boy the support is really not there
I bought the same unit in January under the name of Eco-worthy. For just under 700.00 off Amazon.. im 100% off grid and I have been very pleased with my unit 🤞
When I first saw this video I was thinking I jumped the gun buying the MPP Solar all-in-one; now I'm satisfied that I made the right choice at the right price point. Thanks Will!
Message for Will: Be patient and give us a review after playing with it for 30 days. It clearly has some flaws but 48V and 3500 watts is the sweet spot for me and my van. I mentioned needing 1500 watts just for boiling water (in the past) and obviously I need more for A/C and some other stuff and I do not want to be using 100% for durability purposes.
You should do a review on must inverters . I got a 48v 5kw low frequency mppt inverter . Is awesome setup but can’t find anyone on TH-cam that does reviews like you do . Cheers from New Zealand .
PLEASE PLEASE TELL US HOW TO GROUND THE A/C OUT.....THE VENDERS, nobody can tell me so far... my guess is maybe just have the ground wired up to that grounding screw on the outside of the box front left. this inverter is the main panel. wired up to a sub panel. therefore only main panel should have the neutral and ground bus together going to a grounding rod therefore maybe the a/c out should have the ground together with the neutral? I just don't know!!!!! tiny home: off grid SRNE powering 2 branches out of sub panel. thank you
I’m finally in the market to buy my first inverter. Looks like that inverter is definitely NOT ! the one I will be buying. Thanks for your vids. Been watching since your early RV days. I got 30 large nickel iron phosphate 24V EV batteries 🔋 karma Fisker hybrid car for free. Now it’s time for solar panels and inverters
I got the same one. Same complaints as you. I've been using it for a couple months and so far it's worked flawless. Truth be told I liked it so much I bought another. Glad you never got to the Bluetooth app that thing doesn't work at all.
I bought one but it just so happened to be the last day in my return window when you posted the video so I sent it back and I'm just going to get the growatt instead. I hadn't had a chance to hook it up because my batteries are still on the Long Boat Ride but anything that pisses you off that bad I'll pass.
The unit was in the "ON" position when he initially touched the resistor... SO of course it is going to make a bit of a spark, even with a resistor being used.
@marthale7 ... The main takeaway... 48V DC has the potential to cause serious harm vs 12 or 24 volt, because it can deliver a decent shock if not handled correctly. As where it would take you doing something on purpose to receive a shock from 12 or 24 volts... SO people that are only use to using 12 or 24 volts... that move up to 48 volts may have developed poor practices, like laying your body across terminals when working on or around the batteries... It only takes a sweaty arm laid across a few terminals on a 48V system to learn the hard way.
Renogy makes a few cool devices; apparently this is not one of them. After a few tries to make the thing work right, I'd toss it out on the back lawn and experiment on it with some bird shot. The smart option is to return it; the fun option is to experiment. :)
I am building an off-grid backup power system. I bought eight 12V 200Ah batteries for 48V configuration. The total is 48V 400Ah. Can you tell they can provide enough power for a normal standard household in US? Thank you so much for your advice.
Can they? Yes. For very long? No. How are you charging them? Batteries alone aren't going to run your house. You'll need an inverter. You'll also need a transfer switch to go between grid and your new system.
7:44 he can't figure it out because his open circuit voltage on the solar panels now exceeds the maximum input allowed by the charger. As mentioned the voltage is now higher because he is getting full overhead sun. Just compare the intensity of the light coming into his shed at 4:43 and at 7:44 when he is experiencing the problem. Another clue is the warmth and vibrant color on the plywood. Grey earlier in the day when he was making connections and a vibrant yellow when the problem exists. You can see the door is open to the same position in both instances by looking at the reflection on his safety glasses.
I remember the builds you put together -- they always worked!! I'll use one of those systems if I need a 48V, 3500W Inverter, 4400 W MPPT, 1920W AC Charger. Maybe you got a Monday Morning or Friday afternoon unit. ..bad scene...
*Love your videos. I just finished up my DIY solar portable generator build. 1500w inverter 12v with 100ah AGM, Renogy Mppt 30amp CC and 2 - 300w mono 24v panels. Runs my window ac unit ALL day love it. New Mexico.*
@@WillProwse I would like you to comment on the comments made by battery hookup com about the emails they have received about the lithium titanate cells they are marketing because they claim that they have spent six figures on equipment to test to verify that it has never been used that is not still b quality...
So, for the mount issue, I believe you are supposed to put a screw in the wall first for the keyed hole in the back, then hang the unit on that keyed hole, then install the top screws. Other issues aside, at least mounting it isn't one of them.
LOL...Will, I just spent a day tearing an old Xantrax (Scneider) XW6048 off the wall at my ex's house that we put in 10 years ago. Guess why? DC Undervoltage Error. Haha...I don't know what was wrong, but I really laughed at how light that Renogy or the Growatt is because even after I removed the charge controllers on the Xantrax that weighed 40 lbs the actual inverter must have still weighed 100 lbs and nearly crushed me and my wife and son under neath the darn thing. What a near disaster! The simplicity and lower weight of these models is amazing. I was about to tear the solar panels off her house and give up due to fact they never would go along with trying to put some heavy, noisy humming thing back up there, but wow things have change. Got me thinking! Thanks for the great review! DC Undervolt...LOL
I'm really surprised that the solar input voltage is so low for something that is supposed to be handle to handle 4kW of panels. I would have expected a HVDC input (e.g. 300-400VDC max solar input) -Matt
As you comment while you're working, I find that you are so genuine, transparent, and honest. It's easy to follow your thought process, and you keep the information pertinent and simple. Thanks for helping me not electrocute myself!!
I have the same problem with my MPP LV2424. It stops charging (no apparent reason) with grid power when the sun is going down (lower pv). Just can't figure out why!
My Lycan 5000 uses this, and it works well, but it's all built into the 268 pound (0.12 ton) Lycan 5000, which I use for emergency home power. With (8) 320 watt, 32 volts, 10 amps Renogy solar panels wired in a series-parallel configuration of 4-panel series strings wired in parallel (4s2p). I also use a dual fuel generator and utility backup when needing a fast charge options in emergencies.
Why would the battery cable input opening be so much smaller than the AC out line openings? 48v going in will need a larger cable than the 120v coming out. Why would they do this?
Will, pull the unit off the wall, and see if it has a slide in mount on the back. Just set a screw in place slide the unit onto the screw, and then screw it in at the top. Most of my outdoor panel boxes are like that. Worth a look see.
there is no problem, it's all his user error, he didn't read the instructions and can't find the bottom mounting hole. There is a mounting screw hole, he blocked it by getting ahead of the mounting and putting his battery cables in the way, then complains about charging because he has the settings wrong.
@@oldolfmann8927 yeah, I kind of wondered because I now own and have installed several SRNE rebranded units like this, and I've had zero issues. The AC ground out is not an issue if you connect to a properly wired circuit breaker panel, and you should be.
@@Tool_Shed_Talk I just saw you even made a video about those settings, that's great. I use the ground terminal inside the unit for the AC in & AC out, then this unit gets the AC in from my homes main panel (all 3 LNG) and from a circuit breaker in that panel, then the AC out goes back to the panel (all 3 LNG) and connects to the wire that use to be on that breaker. Works great running a full size refrig, and a freezer, and some lighting. I have it charged by four 300 watt panels and 2 100ah lifepo4 batts. It never has to connect to the grid for charging unless I switch off the power from batts when testing it. My other unit is powering several rooms with lights Tv's etc... unit also has four 300 watt panels and six 120ah lead acid batts and it has no problems either. Connected in a similar way with 12ga Romex coming to and fro the breaker panel. The bottom mounting hole on mine is bottom center between the battery power wires and partially hidden by the large plastic grommet that the battery power wires come thru. My unit is a couple years old, and I even bought them used, so I don't know when they updated them or even exactly how old mine are. I actually bought them used from someone who said they didn't work properly.
I bought a small renergy charge controller about a year ago and the thing was a piece of garbage the interface didn't work right I called tech support and they were telling me it was all my fault so this review doesn't surprise me much.
Just found the nearly same one for $596 on ebay. $899 is just ridiculous in my opinion: www.ebay.com/itm/3500W-3000W-110Vac-Solar-Inverter-Off-Grid-110V-AC-Build-In-80A-Mppt-Controller-/124438206916?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286
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So $318 for a sub par unit, $581 for two tone paint and a sticker... That's a red flag when a premium company starts flogging it's brand/ reputation for a quick buck.
Might want to gather your trusted subscribers and contacts, do a deep dive on Renogy, see if they've been bought out or had a change in the Executive team.
On a personal note, it's been great to see how far you've come over the last few years, keep living in the house bud. Fill it with people you love 🦘👍
Must be Will selling his unit ;)
@@TheBrewjo the 24 v model is 318 the 48 V model is almost 600
I've run across that one too and noticed the similarity. Looks like it has dual PV input rather than just the single PV input on the Renogy. Other than that, looks like a duplicate save for the nice teal color :-)
couple hundreds more for a colorful cover. oops
When someone that messes with this stuff everyday can’t figure it out, I’m definitely not going to figure it out.
On Point!
Ac charger not working maybe cuz it’s in “power save mode”.
@@dilan8869on point!
Ha ha, the Renogy inverter was so bad, Will actually rage-quit his own review! That's what I love about this channel - absolute honesty.
Man... I've never seen Will so irked by a piece of hardware before. Renogy needs to go back to the drawing board on this.
And on some of their others.
But the colors are nice.
Things that look good usually perform the worst. Same goes with people too... 😂😂😂
Will always tells it how it is. To fix it you have to turn it off and turn it back on again, unscrew it from wall, then take it out to the Desert and have Edwin send it to its final resting place.
Will was very frustrated by some pure ccs in the past. LoL. I remember him going nuclear over some devices that he could not decipher:)
I always like how honest you are about products.
@marthale7 that’s the benefit of someone getting to view numbers like his. This video has over 300K views as of my comment. That is MORE than enough TH-cam ad revenue to make up for buying the unit.
@@Isaacmantx it's not really that much money. The real benefit is that it's tax deductible for him, and while he may not do it, he can sell everything he buys at a discount and that all combines to profit
Man...Will...that's the quickest and the most consistently pissed off I've seen you...for that reason... I wouldn't touch it!!... thanks Will!!👍👍😎
Aye aye!
Most of my system is Renogy, but I have gone with other sellers when it's warranted. I am preparing to switch from 12v to 24v, and my current system is pieced together. Trying to decide if an all-in-one will be worth it, or if I will continue to build piece by piece. I like having the ability to replace each component in case of failures. Off-grid professional glamper in a yurt 10 months a year.
Will, you can't judge what is under the hood by it's colors! Paint your Growatt the same color as your Tesla and pitch the Renogy!
Follow up Video title: Growatt inverter DESTROYS Renogy in heat gun battle!*
*Have each unit power heat guns pointed at the other until the Renogy melts into a pile of hot 💩
This video goes to show you that even when Will has a internal bias to want to like something(you can tell he wants to give it every chance he can)....he is not going to let it blind him when there are real issues present.
Will is the friggin man talk about an honest mechanic lol
Well said. will's integrity is intact.
He's a pleasure to watch.
Will, be which lithium ion battery is the best to buy for home off grid system.
@@michaelclarke7552 That's too general of a question. Someone would need a lot more information about you and the use case to answer that.
Best battery will change as prices change, if that is part of the criteria. I am this close to ordering 8 @3.2v prismatics, but 12v lifepos are coming down, as prismatics are going up, so I am reconsidering my options. Dollars per watt(plus overall lifetime), prismatics are still in the lead.
I have been waiting to pull the trigger on the Growatt unit until this review was published. Thanks for assisting me with my decision.
same, i was waiting for this and to see it the growatt outperform is cool cuz its cheaper.
@@jameshughes131 Look up the word cheaper and look up the words less expensive, you might be surprise that your miss using the word.
@@jameshughes131 I am actively shopping and defniitely would have bought Renogy over Growatt bc of the name and availablility from reputable retailers. Now the question is do we wait and see if Renogy fixes this or go for the Growatt now.
@@Ken1704 im going with growatt becuz A.) they care about pricing and customers so i want to put my money with the people who did it first and who get better over time. im gonna buy that 48v system to save on wire costs and use it without battery on a large array. I will get 4 x 12v
sok or make my own
@@jameshughes131 Thank you, that is a great point. I also like Signature Solar who sells the growatt. I often think the retailer is as important as the product. I just got a 1000W inverter from Amazon and when it arrived I shake it and something is rattling inside. Amazon says take it to Kohl's and drop it off. That is amazing (and I HATE Amazon-but I get gift cards from work) but I have to admit that return experience was incredible.
Well done Will. I don't understand why companies don't test products before going to market.
Renogy existed during a Heyday for solar when you can do no wrong. With this review they came to a screeching halt and as others have pointed out they likely were already in Shell you know when the predatory furniture store sells all its inventory to company that brings semis filled with cheap crap in for 6 months of going out of business
I just bought this a month ago, working great! Only issue I had was there is a “note” on page 7 that says it has to be over 60v input from the solar panels to charge. I had it in parallel at first and couldn’t get it to charge, then called Renogy and they pointed me to this dumb note. They really should put this on page 1, other places like the I put voltage to the solar in a spec sheet, many other places. After that, I have been very happy with its performance. Solar only with 8 batteries, looking good!
Also, the battery power connectors are still the same, kind of a pain, suggest using a high multi strand flexible 2 awg cable, not the stiffer bigger strand ones, as I had to fight with it for a few minutes, but at least the battery terminals didn’t break, which for me is good as I tend to man handle and break everything.
Don’t know why he basically rage quit on this unit, it’s not too hard to hook up and get through the menu prompts, maybe he was just having a bad day, everybody has them. I actually liked that it was two screws to mount, once through the holes, just tightened down the screws and that was it.
60v is the key though people from the solar side, make sure you’re in series if you’re doing a couple solar panels.
there is a mounting screw hole at the bottom, you will find it dead in the center behind your big black and red power wires.
So glad I came across your channel... you are leading me into the right direction with my solar system and have 100% confidence in what I'm going to purchase!
"It just wont charge in A/C mode, I even tried S.O.L. mode!"
I giggled.
Sounds like Will went into S.O.B. mode..
SOL refers to "solar mode" not what you were thinking
You are the most fair reviewer that I have seen on youtube. Thanks for educating us all. PS-I bought your book.
So true. His product reviews are far, far superior to anyone else's. So glad I found him a couple years ago. Everything we have bought for our RV comes directly from his recommendations.
Where is that guy who calls Will a paid shill? He needs to watch this. Thank you for the honest critical review.
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I wanted to get this unit, but now I'm going to hold off until Renogy fixes the issues. For that price, it needs to be better than the GroWatt, not worse. Will, I hope you get your hands on the next version of that all-in-one from Renogy when it comes out. Thank you for the honest review!
I love how you just don't filter and try to "make nice" with manufacturers. I wish more reviewers would do that. Thanks, mate.
Well... we can be pretty certain they watch...so maybe ren-ology should post an apo-logy👻
That was a good pun.
...don't wanna be that guy.. but ahh.. there's no "L" in Renogy.. 🙃
One thing I love about your channel is that you are very honest and thorough in your assessment of equipment! For all the reasons which you reference, but especially the grounding wire issue (which isn't even up to code, I don't believe), this "all in one" is very problematic! I am in total agreement on your assessment: this unit cannot be recommended! I am a power plant operator, and worked in power distribution, too, for 20+ years, and I want everything electrical to be overbuilt! I'm especially critical of anything that can't be properly grounded, as I know one thing for sure (in regards to my own safety and that of others): don't be ground! Great video! Thanks for your honest appraisal of this equipment!!
Did Renogy fix these issues? Ive been looking at this and their REGO version of this thing. Should i avoid? I jist like the ability to control everything via an app. The Ecoflow PowerKit interests me too for its plug and play simplicity. Is there an alternative you would recommend? Thanks so much!!
I'm beginning to think like most that Renogy is NOW a reseller and not a manufacturer ... This product seems to have gone the route of Chinese manufacturing and tried to save a penny in every place they could -- seriously NO GROUND -- I mean seriously !!! Like so many others in this field - Renogy got lazy and just thought that they could throw anything out there and people would worship it ... Looks like they are soon to be a TIER II company and just rebranding Chinese stuff probably ...
Great video. Don’t feel bad the product didn’t work, you saved viewers tons of time and money! That is much more valuable than reviewing a product that works well.
I was excited to see a peak at the Renogy all in one but from what you have shown here I think I am leaning back toward the MPP now... thanks for the review man, cheers!
And in one video a new product bites the dust. RIP
@WillProwse you may have to power off the device with the settings changed & power it back on before the settings will take effect. I had to with the rover 30 when changing it from 12v to 24v bc it was saying battery over voltage or something. Power cycling it fixed it. Keep that in mind when changing settings on devices.
I am clueless about inverters and what to buy but little by little Will, you are boosting my confidence. I want to power my house and i live in the Caribbean where solar systems are ridiculously expensive so i cant buy everything online one time. Buying stuff little by little. I really love your channel and i am continue learning!
I stopped buying anything from Renogy, the company just could not deliver my product with any kind of efficiency or timing. Delay after delay after delay! Endless excuses!
Their support is a joke!
Yeah me too man I want to like him because they're cheaper than others but sometimes they just don't hit their ratings and boy the support is really not there
Same here
Sadly I used to like the company, but just like the governor of California, this company is gone downhill!
You are stellar. Since your early days of living in a van, I have followed your progress.
Did you try plugging it into the house outlet in case the solar generator wasn't able to supply the power that the Renogy needed?
I bought the same unit in January under the name of Eco-worthy. For just under 700.00 off Amazon.. im 100% off grid and I have been very pleased with my unit 🤞
When I first saw this video I was thinking I jumped the gun buying the MPP Solar all-in-one; now I'm satisfied that I made the right choice at the right price point. Thanks Will!
I like how causally Will says he is mad. LOL! Great review Will and damn good points.
Message for Will: Be patient and give us a review after playing with it for 30 days. It clearly has some flaws but 48V and 3500 watts is the sweet spot for me and my van. I mentioned needing 1500 watts just for boiling water (in the past) and obviously I need more for A/C and some other stuff and I do not want to be using 100% for durability purposes.
Yep, but I'm doing it in a class C RV and want to run a mini-split A\C. I want at least 3500w.
You should do a review on must inverters . I got a 48v 5kw low frequency mppt inverter . Is awesome setup but can’t find anyone on TH-cam that does reviews like you do . Cheers from New Zealand .
PLEASE PLEASE TELL US HOW TO GROUND THE A/C OUT.....THE VENDERS, nobody can tell me so far... my guess is maybe just have the ground wired up to that grounding screw on the outside of the box front left. this inverter is the main panel. wired up to a sub panel. therefore only main panel should have the neutral and ground bus together going to a grounding rod therefore maybe the a/c out should have the ground together with the neutral? I just don't know!!!!! tiny home: off grid SRNE powering 2 branches out of sub panel. thank you
-People at Renogy: Wooohh will is going to test our new inverter.
-Will: I don't like it.
-People at Renogy:
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I have same issue. It don’t work!
finally!!!!! i've been waiting for your review on this!
Renogy should have sent a prototype to Will to test before going to market.
Try calling tech service for renogy. Post that video...
If Renogy was smart they would have Will test it before production. What a schooling for Renogy.
For real. Will could have just tested the prototype of that make.
😍😍 Appreciate the honesty of this channel!! You rock dude 😍😍
I’m finally in the market to buy my first inverter. Looks like that inverter is definitely NOT ! the one I will be buying.
Thanks for your vids. Been watching since your early RV days.
I got 30 large nickel iron phosphate 24V EV batteries 🔋 karma Fisker hybrid car for free.
Now it’s time for solar panels and inverters
Sounds like it’s time to test Renogy customer support eh, Will? Perhaps they’ll help (or seal their own fate ...).
TLDR its trash
this whole video is a running stream of consciousness
True, but in following along anything technical, that’s exactly what you want IMO.
the colors are neat......MacDonald' french fries are good too bad about that shitty burger
I got the same one. Same complaints as you. I've been using it for a couple months and so far it's worked flawless. Truth be told I liked it so much I bought another. Glad you never got to the Bluetooth app that thing doesn't work at all.
Renogy owes me a smart battery...going on 4 weeks of back and forth. I think I've lost confidence in this company.
its a shame renogy only have 1 48v inverter. They've got a few 12v options, i want them to have more options available.
Renogy Stock just went down, lol
Why are they still using such terminal block? why can't they use some decent phoenix terminal block!
Renogys all in ones have been a fail for me no matter what product i get.
If you like the colors of renogy but like Growatt better than just paint the Growatt the same colors 🙃
Fyi it's turquoise,. Don't defame.turquoise with blue
I bought one but it just so happened to be the last day in my return window when you posted the video so I sent it back and I'm just going to get the growatt instead. I hadn't had a chance to hook it up because my batteries are still on the Long Boat Ride but anything that pisses you off that bad I'll pass.
Go ahead and ask them to pay the round-trip shipping you might be surprised when they don't want to fight you on it
Wow! Did you see the spark at 3:25 with the resistor? Guess Will is going to have to get more resistive resistors!
The unit was in the "ON" position when he initially touched the resistor... SO of course it is going to make a bit of a spark, even with a resistor being used.
@marthale7 ... The main takeaway... 48V DC has the potential to cause serious harm vs 12 or 24 volt, because it can deliver a decent shock if not handled correctly. As where it would take you doing something on purpose to receive a shock from 12 or 24 volts... SO people that are only use to using 12 or 24 volts... that move up to 48 volts may have developed poor practices, like laying your body across terminals when working on or around the batteries... It only takes a sweaty arm laid across a few terminals on a 48V system to learn the hard way.
Love your honesty dude. It definitely helps with the credibility of your opinion.
Renogy makes a few cool devices; apparently this is not one of them. After a few tries to make the thing work right, I'd toss it out on the back lawn and experiment on it with some bird shot. The smart option is to return it; the fun option is to experiment. :)
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Renogy is an OEM rebranding company... They don’t manufacture anything themselves.
@@lukeday399 This does not surprise me.
Everyone is trying to cash out on growing up of grid DIY systems. I just ordered growatt 12k today!!!
I am building an off-grid backup power system. I bought eight 12V 200Ah batteries for 48V configuration. The total is 48V 400Ah. Can you tell they can provide enough power for a normal standard household in US? Thank you so much for your advice.
Can they? Yes. For very long? No. How are you charging them? Batteries alone aren't going to run your house. You'll need an inverter. You'll also need a transfer switch to go between grid and your new system.
I wonder if having that goofy ground connected if it would have cooperated better.
I could listen to you say "button" ALL DAY.
So, apart from the cool colour it's not worth the $900 eh?
7:44 he can't figure it out because his open circuit voltage on the solar panels now exceeds the maximum input allowed by the charger.
As mentioned the voltage is now higher because he is getting full overhead sun.
Just compare the intensity of the light coming into his shed at 4:43 and at 7:44 when he is experiencing the problem.
Another clue is the warmth and vibrant color on the plywood. Grey earlier in the day when he was making connections and a vibrant yellow when the problem exists.
You can see the door is open to the same position in both instances by looking at the reflection on his safety glasses.
No, I did not exceed the maximum input voltage. That is wrong.
Boot lace ferrules are nice for wires into screw terminals. I'm actually surprised you don't use them.
I remember the builds you put together -- they always worked!! I'll use one of those systems if I need a 48V, 3500W Inverter, 4400 W MPPT, 1920W AC Charger. Maybe you got a Monday Morning or Friday afternoon unit. ..bad scene...
Thanks for the solid review, I won't be buying Renogy.
Please do the 5kw sungold... @ 48v
I'm not impressed with Renogy. My charge controller died after only 1 season in my RV. POS in my opinion. Don't waste your money with them.
*Love your videos. I just finished up my DIY solar portable generator build. 1500w inverter 12v with 100ah AGM, Renogy Mppt 30amp CC and 2 - 300w mono 24v panels. Runs my window ac unit ALL day love it. New Mexico.*
Awesome!!!!
@@WillProwse I would like you to comment on the comments made by battery hookup com about the emails they have received about the lithium titanate cells they are marketing because they claim that they have spent six figures on equipment to test to verify that it has never been used that is not still b quality...
Renogy gonna love this review! lol
So, for the mount issue, I believe you are supposed to put a screw in the wall first for the keyed hole in the back, then hang the unit on that keyed hole, then install the top screws. Other issues aside, at least mounting it isn't one of them.
This is that attractive person you are into until you discover they don't have a great personality, lol. It looked so good out the box. 😄
Always love your reviews, Will. You are the reason I was able to learn and really get in to solar. Thank you!
Solar DESPERATELY needs an "iphone moment" to take off. WAAAAAY too complicated for the average guy. Plug and play, no series / parallel BS....
What about calling the manufacturer for tech help?
RENOGY should hire this kid and let him control the design❤️🔥
He's a young MAN. A kid would not own a Tesla.
LOL...Will, I just spent a day tearing an old Xantrax (Scneider) XW6048 off the wall at my ex's house that we put in 10 years ago. Guess why? DC Undervoltage Error. Haha...I don't know what was wrong, but I really laughed at how light that Renogy or the Growatt is because even after I removed the charge controllers on the Xantrax that weighed 40 lbs the actual inverter must have still weighed 100 lbs and nearly crushed me and my wife and son under neath the darn thing. What a near disaster! The simplicity and lower weight of these models is amazing. I was about to tear the solar panels off her house and give up due to fact they never would go along with trying to put some heavy, noisy humming thing back up there, but wow things have change. Got me thinking! Thanks for the great review! DC Undervolt...LOL
Having something hum and weigh a ton is not all bad I mean what you're talkin about served you well or could have for a long time
I'm really surprised that the solar input voltage is so low for something that is supposed to be handle to handle 4kW of panels. I would have expected a HVDC input (e.g. 300-400VDC max solar input)
-Matt
Agreed!
As you comment while you're working, I find that you are so genuine, transparent, and honest. It's easy to follow your thought process, and you keep the information pertinent and simple. Thanks for helping me not electrocute myself!!
I have the same problem with my MPP LV2424. It stops charging (no apparent reason) with grid power when the sun is going down (lower pv). Just can't figure out why!
So with the Lycan that has all this hardware can we take out the 48v 50ah renogy batteries and just connect our own to the Inverter?
My Lycan 5000 uses this, and it works well, but it's all built into the 268 pound (0.12 ton) Lycan 5000, which I use for emergency home power. With (8) 320 watt, 32 volts, 10 amps Renogy solar panels wired in a series-parallel configuration of 4-panel series strings wired in parallel (4s2p). I also use a dual fuel generator and utility backup when needing a fast charge options in emergencies.
Wow, from hero to zero... thought this would be a winner.
I was looking forward to this review. Bummed now, though not as bummed as Will 😉
Thanks, I will stay away form this unit!
Why would the battery cable input opening be so much smaller than the AC out line openings? 48v going in will need a larger cable than the 120v coming out. Why would they do this?
Bummer! Renogy should know better.
No Ground was a full stop for me!
No ground?
It has a common ground on the ac input that he could have used.
Will, pull the unit off the wall, and see if it has a slide in mount on the back.
Just set a screw in place slide the unit onto the screw, and then screw it in at the top.
Most of my outdoor panel boxes are like that. Worth a look see.
Or maybe the two holes on the bottom side are for an L bracket (maybe one per side)
In every video I’ve seen on ALL-IN-ONE systems everyone points out the Generator port but no one has a clue how to connect it to the generator.
Good stuff! This one looked appealing from the listings. But yeah......
Thank you 🙏🏼
Looked appealing - turned out to be appalling!! 😜
Chevy Vega comes to mind.
Anything like this 12v you recommend? The one from your milk crate EB240 video has been sold out for awhile.
Did they ever sort these problems out?
there is no problem, it's all his user error, he didn't read the instructions and can't find the bottom mounting hole. There is a mounting screw hole, he blocked it by getting ahead of the mounting and putting his battery cables in the way, then complains about charging because he has the settings wrong.
@@oldolfmann8927 yeah, I kind of wondered because I now own and have installed several SRNE rebranded units like this, and I've had zero issues. The AC ground out is not an issue if you connect to a properly wired circuit breaker panel, and you should be.
@@Tool_Shed_Talk I just saw you even made a video about those settings, that's great. I use the ground terminal inside the unit for the AC in & AC out, then this unit gets the AC in from my homes main panel (all 3 LNG) and from a circuit breaker in that panel, then the AC out goes back to the panel (all 3 LNG) and connects to the wire that use to be on that breaker. Works great running a full size refrig, and a freezer, and some lighting. I have it charged by four 300 watt panels and 2 100ah lifepo4 batts. It never has to connect to the grid for charging unless I switch off the power from batts when testing it. My other unit is powering several rooms with lights Tv's etc... unit also has four 300 watt panels and six 120ah lead acid batts and it has no problems either. Connected in a similar way with 12ga Romex coming to and fro the breaker panel. The bottom mounting hole on mine is bottom center between the battery power wires and partially hidden by the large plastic grommet that the battery power wires come thru. My unit is a couple years old, and I even bought them used, so I don't know when they updated them or even exactly how old mine are. I actually bought them used from someone who said they didn't work properly.
ya done messed up Renogy...
Renogy is cheap garbage.
I bought a small renergy charge controller about a year ago and the thing was a piece of garbage the interface didn't work right I called tech support and they were telling me it was all my fault so this review doesn't surprise me much.
When something pisses HIM off.....im certainly NOT considering it!!!!!