@@dfender57 You can get the frequency response with a free EQ plugin. It's the transient response that reveals things you don't hear on other speakers. Nothing to do with my personal views, it's acustics.
man that was a cool comparison. Maybe a copywriter issue with studio spares perhaps; perhaps the cla avantone version would be something to compare too!!!! :) Thanks ADAM I really enjoy and appreciate all your uploads man :)take care x
I still think, as i commented on the last video on these speakers, that the use of Sonarworks is defeating the original premise that these speakers have an exaggerated midrange, etc, that is supposed to help you get a good mix. The fact that it is a closed box design may indeed help with transient response but i suspect that any well engineered ported box monitor will be quite acceptable too. Again, thanks for the informative video 🙂
As much as I detest the NS10s. They are good …rather better for the task your asking of them Anyone that came up in the 80s in studios will get NS10 PTSD
For me the NS-10m sounded a bit “clearer” in the high mids while the SN-10’s sounded “muddier”. Before and after correction. But that’s what I am hearing through TH-cam. The way it sounds in the room might be completely different.
Hello Adam love you videos but in that case ....hum ... I just really don't think, or feel through youtube, they sound that similar. I am really not sure I would make the same decisions regarding master EQ with both pairs. Would have been interesting to have also a direct feed of your mix cause if the SN 10 sounded more pleasing to my hears with a bit more of brightness and energy, the NS 10 sounded more flat and maybe also a bit quieter ... less efficiency, more honest representation ? That maybe just me ... I have a pair of NS10, love them, but to be honest much tend to use my FOCAL's ... cheers.
How long does it take for you to calibrate & tune in your ears to a new speaker setup? i.e. to be able to come in, sit down, & make confident system translatable mix/production decisions on the fly with no reference tracks. Or is it always an ongoing process with you referring back to reference tracks before each mix session? I ask as someone who hates learning new cans / speakers 😞
Good question, I’m definitely a references guy. I like to put something I know through Spotify whilst I set up the studio for the day so I’m adjusted to the environment- especially when I’ve been moving locations a lot
@@adamsteelproducer Yeah, that makes sense - in fact it's probably the only way you could do it with all your setup/workflow/environment changes. Me or maybe just my ears ;-) are too old & grumpy to embrace constant changes & equipment re-learning.
@@adamsteelproducer NICE!!! If you would be so incredible as to indulge me with a single-ish follow up question, I would appreciate it... How is it holding up/Are you still using it in that location?
But why? Then I’m not presenting you with something you can hear, I’m doing my own thing. And why not use Sonarworks? Is that “cheating”? Why put obstacles in your own way? Makes no sense
I understand you completely, this is just my suggestion. But, translation is everything. In studio where you compare 2 pair of monitors is doesn't help to much, i think monitor A is better you think monitor B, but end results are more important, how its translate on other audio systems. Compering 3 different mixes are more reliable and fun. I say without sonarworks just to see how it is working without room correction.
The answer for anyone new to mixing, is NO! This specific pair is not good! Not sure about the CLA mockups as I've never heard them. However right off the bat you can tell that the speaker box is made out of plastic, as well as the tweeter. Anything that's made out of plastic does not sound good period! The Avantones Pro CLA10's are made out of wood which will also help with the highs not being as ear-piercing as these cheapo's, and the low end being better overall(although it's not known for the low end you can clearly hear that regular NS10Ms's have better lows compared to these speakers). I have heard(rumor's basically, studio people gossiping about gear), that the passive Avantones sound better with their external power amp than the powered ones. Although one of the guys said he hooked up a pair to a Bryston amp, and if you going that route you might as well buy some Barefoots, Focals, ATC's, etc. cause Bryston 4b's are about $4000 and up! Although Hafler makes a great amp to power real NS10ms's at a 1/3rd of the price! So if you find a good used pair of NS10ms's and need a power amp for them(you gotta use a Hafler, Yamaha, Bryston, or similar power amp! No cheapo's, Mackie, Crown, etc.!) then you can have great monitors for about $1000 if buying used, and nothing goes wrong!!!! However then you need to spend at the very least $5000 on sound treating your room(that's a rough starting figure, but a rebuild of the room is required to get it great 90% of the time), stands(not cheapo's as they make em sound worse), monitor decoupling IsoAcoustics, etc. Plus after you do all the, it'll probably still sound like shit! Better off saving yourself time and money and going with REAL mixing headphones. And there's only 1 name for those... Audeze LCD-X's! Not the MM's, their too bassy, and crispy in the highs IMO.
The main reason to use NS10 is transient response, that's what you should be measuring, not the frequency response.
@@dfender57 You can get the frequency response with a free EQ plugin. It's the transient response that reveals things you don't hear on other speakers.
Nothing to do with my personal views, it's acustics.
@@duncan.o-vicDoes the Clav 10 have transient response too?
@@d1ehl. If you mean CLA-10, and by transient response you mean the same transient response as NS10, then yes, it should.
I use NS10-MMs, small 3.5 inch bookshelf versions, in conjunction with my normal monitors and headphones. Very nice for mixing mids.
Finding the right Tool for the job. Cool comparison
The M was a little darker/ slightly muted. Great AB test!
man that was a cool comparison. Maybe a copywriter issue with studio spares perhaps; perhaps the cla avantone version would be something to compare too!!!! :) Thanks ADAM I really enjoy and appreciate all your uploads man :)take care x
keep em all, buy the cla avantone ones, and compare al 3! then sell 2.
I still think, as i commented on the last video on these speakers, that the use of Sonarworks is defeating the original premise that these speakers have an exaggerated midrange, etc, that is supposed to help you get a good mix.
The fact that it is a closed box design may indeed help with transient response but i suspect that any well engineered ported box monitor will be quite acceptable too.
Again, thanks for the informative video 🙂
Duh, why is he using the ns at all? By adding the sub and SW, he is no longer getting the Yamaha affect at all? might as well just but mix cubes?
As much as I detest the NS10s. They are good …rather better for the task your asking of them Anyone that came up in the 80s in studios will get NS10 PTSD
Do you use NS10s? Would you consider it if the copies are close?
Loving the Tool cover. :)
For me the NS-10m sounded a bit “clearer” in the high mids while the SN-10’s sounded “muddier”. Before and after correction. But that’s what I am hearing through TH-cam. The way it sounds in the room might be completely different.
I felt the same way
my logitech pc speakers tell me the same, I like the Yamadogs
Hello Adam love you videos but in that case ....hum ... I just really don't think, or feel through youtube, they sound that similar. I am really not sure I would make the same decisions regarding master EQ with both pairs. Would have been interesting to have also a direct feed of your mix cause if the SN 10 sounded more pleasing to my hears with a bit more of brightness and energy, the NS 10 sounded more flat and maybe also a bit quieter ... less efficiency, more honest representation ? That maybe just me ... I have a pair of NS10, love them, but to be honest much tend to use my FOCAL's ... cheers.
Interesting…with the difference in eq work, yeah they were pretty close.
What amplifier in use ?
How long does it take for you to calibrate & tune in your ears to a new speaker setup?
i.e. to be able to come in, sit down, & make confident system translatable mix/production decisions on the fly with no reference tracks.
Or is it always an ongoing process with you referring back to reference tracks before each mix session?
I ask as someone who hates learning new cans / speakers 😞
Good question, I’m definitely a references guy. I like to put something I know through Spotify whilst I set up the studio for the day so I’m adjusted to the environment- especially when I’ve been moving locations a lot
@@adamsteelproducer Yeah, that makes sense - in fact it's probably the only way you could do it with all your setup/workflow/environment changes.
Me or maybe just my ears ;-) are too old & grumpy to embrace constant changes & equipment re-learning.
I have the original ns10 i think the replica sounds more midrange then the ns10
Adam,
Would you be so kind as to share the manufacturer and model of you computer display monitor?
The one in the console? It’s just a cheap TCL 4k display, nothing fancy
@@adamsteelproducer NICE!!! If you would be so incredible as to indulge me with a single-ish follow up question, I would appreciate it...
How is it holding up/Are you still using it in that location?
I use the Avantone CLA-10 they are the perfect original Yamaha sound
Why did you not set the speakers up aligned, woofer over woofer?
Because that’s not aligned, Y axis is off by several inches
Prefer to tone of the original... would enjoy mixing on them more... lower mids took more centre stage
not as bright also... as for the effect of mixing, they will both do the same
Try mixing and make comparison test. Real ns10, clones and VSX mike dean ns10 and see then what is best translate. Without sonarworks 😉.
But why? Then I’m not presenting you with something you can hear, I’m doing my own thing. And why not use Sonarworks? Is that “cheating”? Why put obstacles in your own way? Makes no sense
I understand you completely, this is just my suggestion. But, translation is everything. In studio where you compare 2 pair of monitors is doesn't help to much, i think monitor A is better you think monitor B, but end results are more important, how its translate on other audio systems. Compering 3 different mixes are more reliable and fun. I say without sonarworks just to see how it is working without room correction.
If they were close? Sure. But those aren't close.
Even after the correction? Really?
@@adamsteelproducerWho would get ns10 and use correction on them?
@johnyang799 I would. I did. Best decision I’ve made for monitoring.
@@adamsteelproducer ok
Close? Nah....
The answer for anyone new to mixing, is NO! This specific pair is not good! Not sure about the CLA mockups as I've never heard them. However right off the bat you can tell that the speaker box is made out of plastic, as well as the tweeter. Anything that's made out of plastic does not sound good period! The Avantones Pro CLA10's are made out of wood which will also help with the highs not being as ear-piercing as these cheapo's, and the low end being better overall(although it's not known for the low end you can clearly hear that regular NS10Ms's have better lows compared to these speakers). I have heard(rumor's basically, studio people gossiping about gear), that the passive Avantones sound better with their external power amp than the powered ones. Although one of the guys said he hooked up a pair to a Bryston amp, and if you going that route you might as well buy some Barefoots, Focals, ATC's, etc. cause Bryston 4b's are about $4000 and up! Although Hafler makes a great amp to power real NS10ms's at a 1/3rd of the price! So if you find a good used pair of NS10ms's and need a power amp for them(you gotta use a Hafler, Yamaha, Bryston, or similar power amp! No cheapo's, Mackie, Crown, etc.!) then you can have great monitors for about $1000 if buying used, and nothing goes wrong!!!! However then you need to spend at the very least $5000 on sound treating your room(that's a rough starting figure, but a rebuild of the room is required to get it great 90% of the time), stands(not cheapo's as they make em sound worse), monitor decoupling IsoAcoustics, etc. Plus after you do all the, it'll probably still sound like shit! Better off saving yourself time and money and going with REAL mixing headphones. And there's only 1 name for those... Audeze LCD-X's! Not the MM's, their too bassy, and crispy in the highs IMO.
I'm not reading this, but you have no idea what you're talking about. The SN10s are not made of plastic. The rest of this is just a rant.
Real NS10's or Clones? Neither.