For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. - Ephesians 6:12
The aerial toll house doctrine is really interesting because there's something a bit similar in tibetan Buddhism where after death a person's consciousness takes 49 days of guidance towards the new rebirth..i know, there are more differences than similarities but i made the connection because i used to be really into buddhism a couple of years ago
@@rhb30001 were the rich man and Lazarus' souls asleep after death? What about the souls under the alter in Revelation who cry out to God for vengeance? "Soul sleep" is nonsense.
I’m confused, with Lazarus and the rich man it said Lazarus was instantly carried over to paradise, and even Paul said to be out of the body is to be present with the Lord. I like orthodoxy but I don’t really see anything scripturally supporting this. Are there any church fathers that agreed upon this? If so please link, this is something I wouldn’t wanna mess up on.
I am disinclined to believe in the Aerial Toll Houses. Apostle Saint Paul taught: “Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written: “For Your sake we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.” Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Romans 8:33-39 NKJV
@@nelsoncamachotirado6967 Dont worry. Heretical Protestants belive in so many innovations and made up doctrine, they have 0 place in questioning things from Church Fathers
Hi brother David. Great work. I had one question concerning Christology. I know it’s not exactly the topic of this video, but this is something I wanted to ask. I understand that there’s no created human hypostasis in Christ. There is only one person in Christ, the person of the Logos. The Logos took on a human nature, without ceasing to be Who or What He was, prior to the incarnation. And part of Jesus’s humanity included a rational human soul. And I understand that the Logos is still a person to Jesus’s human soul, because His human soul was still a conscious entity, when He went to Sheol to preach to the spirits locked up in prison. My question is, does Jesus have a waking human consciousness, as an extension of His rational human soul? Jay Dyer affirms the teachings of Saint Cyril, that the Logos is the sole subject of all of Christ’s actions. But what I want to know, is if Jesus possesses layers of consciousness as a human, can speak of Him having a waking human consciousness, distinct from His divine, subconscious mind? Or am I completely wrong on that? I’m just trying to understand the best way to both think of it, and describe it. Thanks again for all the work you do!
Do not doubt. Like Peter walking on water. We must be fortified in the holiness and the oneness in the One true God and the Blood of his son that has claimed victory over death.
I do not find the aerial toll houses edifying. I also don’t see it taught in the Scriptures. If repentance is only possible while we are alive, what power could demons have over us after we die? Why would God allow demons to even accuse us? “Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written: “For Your sake we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.” Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.” Romans 8:33-39 NKJV
I'm trad Catholic and I am considering Orthodoxy (negative reasons about the Catholic Church plus very positive reasons about Orthodoxy) - but listened to one of your vids today (i normally enjoy) in it you referred to a Catholic saint (from context it seemed to be St Margaret Mary Alacoque ) as a 'retard', is it really appropriate and a good advert for Orthodoxy to refer to a nun who is revered by millions of Christians as a saint in this way? it certainly pushed me away from Orthodoxy by a few inches.
@@marcokite Calling a woman who was under that deep of demonic influence and delusion a "retard" is much more polite than what the Church Fathers would say. You're just concern trolling.
@@JetShanghai - three points; firstly you do not know that she was under 'demonic influence', calling a Saint a 'retard' isn't usually a great move. secondly your phrase 'You're just concern trolling' isn't actually English. thirdly I assume you're calling me a 'troll'? if someone who loves Orthodoxy and is exploring Orthodoxy but has legitimate concerns about a word used by David is a 'troll' then there's no hope for any of us.
Perhaps ‘retard’ isn’t a great word for it, but do consider this: does what someone online says ultimately matter ? I don’t mean that to belittle, but rather to reassure you that life is a lot better when we don’t let opinions of strangers online get to us. I’ve been guilty of this in the past so I don’t say that out of a lack of understanding, but rather as someone who’s fell into that trap repeatedly
Areal toll houses teaching is very controversial, and it's not a dogma. 40 days ? St. John Chrysostom wrote that a soul is taken immediately and it doesn't wander around for any period of time. ATH teaching contradicts the Orthodox Soteriology. How can you reconcile ATH with the Orthodox teaching of Theosis? How can you reconcile ATH with Paschal Homily of St. John Chrysostom?
The soul goes on a journey. Quoting St John doesn’t undermine the ATH. I don’t see any conflict. ATH is only controversial among certain modern Orthodox.
He has other videos defending the doctrine. Also, please read the lives of the saints. The toll houses are referenced on many occasions in different saints' lives. Not to mention that every recent elder and saint (that I've read) who has ever mentioned them has affirmed them or even confirmed them by being allowed to see other people's souls rising and having to encounter these demonic beings.
@@TheRealRealOK you don't want to see it. Greek Orthodox metropolitan and theologian Hierotheos Vlachos admits that ATH teaching was borrowed from pagan myths.
@@Ioannikios174 I'm in the Church for 30 years, and I'm familiar with what you recommend me to read. But I also know the Orthodox teaching on Theosis. And I recommend you to read what St. Symeon the New Theologian wrote about the Theosis and then try to reconcile it with ATH.
@@TheRealRealOKno that’s not what this person means I think. Even Protestants (Presbyterians at least) stand by works showing as a sign of one having true faith. This person is trying to say that Christ death on the cross atoned for all who would believe sins, so it wouldn’t make sense for one to pay for certain sins as if Christs sacrifice wasn’t enough to cover that.
" what happens to the soul after death" - I have a question: what soul are you talking about? Muslim soul, Hindu soul, Buddhist soul, Christian soul? You said that soul in the way to Heaven goes through the air. My question is: how far is the Heaven from the Earth? Where does the air ends and Heaven starts? How many miles or kilometres does the air last?
You are reducing metaphysics to physics and materialism which is stupid and very ignorant. You are the person who dont even know the basics of christianity.
@@ΟΜΑΚΕΔΏΝ-ο5λ am I reducing metaphysics to physics? David said in this video that human soul travels to Heaven through the air. Is air phisycal or metaphisical?
I’m beginning my journey as a catechumen…and when I first heard and realized heaven or hell wasn’t instant…it was daunting. Thanks for the video.
For we do not wrestle against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this age, against spiritual hosts of wickedness in the heavenly places. - Ephesians 6:12
Thank you so much for your videos.
I find them really nourishing!
Did you read Father Seraphim Rose’s book on this topic? Good video and thanks.
whats the book called?
@@Dimitrios.Sferes “The Soul After Death”
@@Dimitrios.Sferes "The Soul After Death" by Father Seraphim Rose
Read it. Scared the heck out of me and I almost stopped going to church.
The aerial toll house doctrine is really interesting because there's something a bit similar in tibetan Buddhism where after death a person's consciousness takes 49 days of guidance towards the new rebirth..i know, there are more differences than similarities but i made the connection because i used to be really into buddhism a couple of years ago
Why 40 days? (I mean, is there a citation for that?) I love your channel. Keep up the good work!
Represents the 40 days Christ was on Earth following the resurrection.
@@TheRealRealOK Thanks!
It is made up.. the soul is asleep until the resurrection as probation is closed at death …no switching back and forth after death in scripture
@@rhb30001 What are you talking about?
@@rhb30001 were the rich man and Lazarus' souls asleep after death? What about the souls under the alter in Revelation who cry out to God for vengeance? "Soul sleep" is nonsense.
Keep up the great work David!
I’m confused, with Lazarus and the rich man it said Lazarus was instantly carried over to paradise, and even Paul said to be out of the body is to be present with the Lord. I like orthodoxy but I don’t really see anything scripturally supporting this. Are there any church fathers that agreed upon this? If so please link, this is something I wouldn’t wanna mess up on.
Have you found an answer
I am disinclined to believe in the Aerial Toll Houses. Apostle Saint Paul taught:
“Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written: “For Your sake we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.” Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
Romans 8:33-39 NKJV
@@nelsoncamachotirado6967 Dont worry. Heretical Protestants belive in so many innovations and made up doctrine, they have 0 place in questioning things from Church Fathers
Hi brother David. Great work. I had one question concerning Christology. I know it’s not exactly the topic of this video, but this is something I wanted to ask. I understand that there’s no created human hypostasis in Christ. There is only one person in Christ, the person of the Logos. The Logos took on a human nature, without ceasing to be Who or What He was, prior to the incarnation. And part of Jesus’s humanity included a rational human soul. And I understand that the Logos is still a person to Jesus’s human soul, because His human soul was still a conscious entity, when He went to Sheol to preach to the spirits locked up in prison. My question is, does Jesus have a waking human consciousness, as an extension of His rational human soul? Jay Dyer affirms the teachings of Saint Cyril, that the Logos is the sole subject of all of Christ’s actions. But what I want to know, is if Jesus possesses layers of consciousness as a human, can speak of Him having a waking human consciousness, distinct from His divine, subconscious mind? Or am I completely wrong on that? I’m just trying to understand the best way to both think of it, and describe it. Thanks again for all the work you do!
Do not doubt. Like Peter walking on water. We must be fortified in the holiness and the oneness in the One true God and the Blood of his son that has claimed victory over death.
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Good video. David do you have a video explaining "spirit"?
I do not find the aerial toll houses edifying. I also don’t see it taught in the Scriptures. If repentance is only possible while we are alive, what power could demons have over us after we die? Why would God allow demons to even accuse us?
“Who shall bring a charge against God’s elect? It is God who justifies. Who is he who condemns? It is Christ who died, and furthermore is also risen, who is even at the right hand of God, who also makes intercession for us. Who shall separate us from the love of Christ? Shall tribulation, or distress, or persecution, or famine, or nakedness, or peril, or sword? As it is written: “For Your sake we are killed all day long; We are accounted as sheep for the slaughter.” Yet in all these things we are more than conquerors through Him who loved us. For I am persuaded that neither death nor life, nor angels nor principalities nor powers, nor things present nor things to come, nor height nor depth, nor any other created thing, shall be able to separate us from the love of God which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.”
Romans 8:33-39 NKJV
I'm trad Catholic and I am considering Orthodoxy (negative reasons about the Catholic Church plus very positive reasons about Orthodoxy) - but listened to one of your vids today (i normally enjoy) in it you referred to a Catholic saint (from context it seemed to be St Margaret Mary Alacoque ) as a 'retard', is it really appropriate and a good advert for Orthodoxy to refer to a nun who is revered by millions of Christians as a saint in this way? it certainly pushed me away from Orthodoxy by a few inches.
If you knew even a fraction of what Alacoque's visions contained, you would be appalled by her. Her own Abbott thought she was insane.
@@JetShanghai - 1/ i do know what it contains 2/ that is hardly the point anyway
@@marcokite Calling a woman who was under that deep of demonic influence and delusion a "retard" is much more polite than what the Church Fathers would say. You're just concern trolling.
@@JetShanghai - three points; firstly you do not know that she was under 'demonic influence', calling a Saint a 'retard' isn't usually a great move. secondly your phrase 'You're just concern trolling' isn't actually English. thirdly I assume you're calling me a 'troll'? if someone who loves Orthodoxy and is exploring Orthodoxy but has legitimate concerns about a word used by David is a 'troll' then there's no hope for any of us.
Perhaps ‘retard’ isn’t a great word for it, but do consider this: does what someone online says ultimately matter ? I don’t mean that to belittle, but rather to reassure you that life is a lot better when we don’t let opinions of strangers online get to us. I’ve been guilty of this in the past so I don’t say that out of a lack of understanding, but rather as someone who’s fell into that trap repeatedly
The journey of the soul travels through material substances??
Areal toll houses teaching is very controversial, and it's not a dogma.
40 days ? St. John Chrysostom wrote that a soul is taken immediately and it doesn't wander around for any period of time.
ATH teaching contradicts the Orthodox Soteriology. How can you reconcile ATH with the Orthodox teaching of Theosis?
How can you reconcile ATH with Paschal Homily of St. John Chrysostom?
The soul goes on a journey. Quoting St John doesn’t undermine the ATH. I don’t see any conflict.
ATH is only controversial among certain modern Orthodox.
He has other videos defending the doctrine.
Also, please read the lives of the saints. The toll houses are referenced on many occasions in different saints' lives.
Not to mention that every recent elder and saint (that I've read) who has ever mentioned them has affirmed them or even confirmed them by being allowed to see other people's souls rising and having to encounter these demonic beings.
@@TheRealRealOK you don't want to see it. Greek Orthodox metropolitan and theologian Hierotheos Vlachos admits that ATH teaching was borrowed from pagan myths.
@@alexs8335 Nonsense, bro. What one hierarch says isn’t binding on the entire Church. Besides, you’re repeating anti-Orthodox talking points.
@@Ioannikios174 I'm in the Church for 30 years, and I'm familiar with what you recommend me to read. But I also know the Orthodox teaching on Theosis. And I recommend you to read what St. Symeon the New Theologian wrote about the Theosis and then try to reconcile it with ATH.
Gnostic teaching that unfortunately made it's way into the Orthodox Church.
Care to elaborate?
Prove it
@@mmr1137 You go first and give me proof. How's that for a deal?
@@patioprimate4740 Do your own research thoroughly.
@@patioprimate4740Research this topic thoroughly. You make your own decision after that.
Once you are born again, you no longer have those sins taking you to hell.
So you can live however you want as long as you’re “born again”?
@@TheRealRealOK Sounds rather antinomian, doesn't it?
'once saved always saved' is a protestant heresy which is totally un-Biblical
@@TheRealRealOKno that’s not what this person means I think. Even Protestants (Presbyterians at least) stand by works showing as a sign of one having true faith. This person is trying to say that Christ death on the cross atoned for all who would believe sins, so it wouldn’t make sense for one to pay for certain sins as if Christs sacrifice wasn’t enough to cover that.
" what happens to the soul after death"
- I have a question: what soul are you talking about? Muslim soul, Hindu soul, Buddhist soul, Christian soul?
You said that soul in the way to Heaven goes through the air. My question is: how far is the Heaven from the Earth? Where does the air ends and Heaven starts? How many miles or kilometres does the air last?
Sus.
You are reducing metaphysics to physics and materialism which is stupid and very ignorant. You are the person who dont even know the basics of christianity.
@@ΟΜΑΚΕΔΏΝ-ο5λ am I reducing metaphysics to physics? David said in this video that human soul travels to Heaven through the air. Is air phisycal or metaphisical?
@@alexs8335 You’re a troll.
@@TheRealRealOK blah blah blah ...