Pick me please. I already have the 1-3John Journal and would love to have them all. Why? Well because at my level of learning, they are easy to read. Doing a chapter at a time is an easy way to build up my Greek. And I love a Greek NT where the earliest documents are considered for the text. And that it uses the paragraph markings, rather than the modern ones. And I agree that the goal of making Greek readability is the key here.
You may be right about the THGNT being the wave of the future. But that doesn't concern an old fossil like me. I watched your video just this morning because YT recommended it (because I'm a subscriber to Hackett's BSAR channel, no doubt), and because I do want to be at least passingly familiar with new texts on the market. But I've collected Greek texts for decades, and of course, now there's the interwebs, so buying more hardcopy Greek texts is hardly necessary. Besides, to me the actual textform used is more important than the type of paper or font style, etc. You mentioned that the base text predates WH, going back to Tregelles. True, but in my opinion that's a distinction without much of a difference. They're both critical texts. Admittedly I've not made an exhaustive comparative study of Tregelles vs. WH, but in the samples I've seen the readings were the same. Anyway, well done. I liked this video, and "Liked" this video.
Another great video, thanks for informing us about this Bible. I just received my copy of the Greek only edition of the Tyndale and I love it! It is everything that you say it is: Very high quality materials, beautiful text printing and layout, the perfect amount of textual notes in it's apparatus, and very hard to put down. For anyone interested in reading the Greek New Testament, this is a must have! God bless you.
Thank you for your videos! They are much appreciated. I'm glad God has used you and your knowledge to further spread his word and the language he chose to have the New Testament written in. A question though, will you make a video describing how one may grow a glorious beard such as your own?
I have the tru tone and love it! Sadly, being a couple of years after the time of this video, it looks like all the leather editions have been sold out / out of print for a while now. Does anybody happen to know if there’s anywhere one can still get one of these?
While I prefer TR and HF have to say the Tyndale is a great Greek text font readability excellent the apparatus way better than NA as it refers to main alternative readings
Hello again. I purchased the Greek Journaling set and in the next few days I plan to dive into translating the NT. I have the long range goal of translating the entire NT over the course of my ministry. What book would you suggest starting with? A shorter book (like Jude)vs a longer book (like Matthew)? Easier vocabulary in one book vs more obscure in another? I want to take it in small bits but not get overwhelmed and burnt out. Thanks for the help and the inspiration/tools to maintain and grow my Greek.
I always recommend starting with the easy books and progressing to the more difficult. Jude is short, but very hard Greek. Start in 1-3 John and then go onto something in Paul that is short. 1-2 Thess are good choices. Check out this video for the sequence I use: th-cam.com/video/5r7cMQr2r7A/w-d-xo.html
With names like NA 28, UBS, Tyndale GNT, I'm not sure if I'm buying a bible or a new ipad 😂! Jokes aside, found the video quite informative and helpful!
I have the tyndale GNT with the critical aparatus in hardcover, and it's great. I'm interested in getting me the reader's edition. The edition with the critical apparatus places the first 11 verses of John 8 in the apparatus, so that part of the text is excluded from the main text. How does it look with the reader's edition? Are there the verses completely excluded?
Thanks for the suggestion. Do you have a particular edition in mind? Or are you thinking about the edition as compared to the modern Critical editions or the Tyndale?
The latter. The only edition I am aware of was released in 2005. It is hardbound, with a fairly long appendix consisting of an essay by Dr. Robinson in support of the Byzantine textform. I would try to send you a picture of it, but it does not appear I can do so. Thank you for all you are doing to promote the reading and study of the Koine!
I think you’re right because of the type setting, the research behind the paragraphing, the inscrutability of the methodology shift behind NA28, and the respectability of the scholarship behind THGNT. The readability is a big deal. I can’t help but wonder if the next edition of the ESV will be based on THGNT.
Can you point me towards any info on this methodology shift behind the NA28? I've wondered about it because there are so many editions. I heard about the '28 and I thought, "Heavens! What was wrong with the 27th?" While I think textual criticism can be a good thing, endlessly rolling out "new" editions every year or so is kind of weird.
They have now also done an ebook version of the THGNT which gives you four different formats , two in dark mode, which you can download and transfer to a PDF app like Notability where you can mark it up with an Apple Pencil or similar and print it out. Saves all the faffing about with cutting and pasting and reformatting text from other online versions and is great if you want to do everything online or keep your hard copy journals for one purpose (I use mine for the MNTG milestones,) but want to use the journal format again for another purpose but don’t want to clutter the house up with too many boxes.
I think you might be right, but the UBS and Nestle people are paying attention and they are upping their game. There is even a Nestle scripture journal in the works.
Maybe. They've already done an electronic copy. My money would be on Logos doing something like that as they have for the SBL and UBS/NA28. Not sure what pronunciation they'd use though.
A question: Do you think the Tyndale will actually become the standard reference despite the manuscripts they chose not to use? Or maybe because of them, for that matter?
Absolutely love my new Tyndale House Reader's Edition GNT, I have owned several GNT's over the years and this one is my favorite. I also carry a tiny leather GNT from 1937 to church in my pocket because it's more mobile so it's on the go. The Tyndale House is a big book, not one I want to lug around.
@@bma I live in Grand Rapids, MI which is home to Baker Book House Used Books, full of pastoral libraries and hundreds of older edition Greeks. I got my tiny 1937 British Foreign Bible Society GNT for $10! Very well kept and black leather with fancy Greek gold lettering on front cover. You should give Baker Book House a phone call and get a nice one.
I like it some much I have two different versions -- I have a nice cover version in Greek only and then I also purchased the hardcover Greek - ESV parallel version which is great for those parts that are difficult to read in the Greek (yet).
Shalom adelphous The Tyndale Greek NT in the Cowhide I ordered a month ago arrived and I am loving it. The past few weeks leading up to its arrival I have been using my NA 28 at home and UBS in the office. The Tyndale is a joy to read. I appreciate the cleaner page in the Tyndale without the apparatus and textual references. Bonus as you mentioned is the smell of the cowhide. I also love the smell of leather. My wallet, briefcase, planners ect are all leather and smell wonderful and I enjoy breathing it in when it arrives in the mail and every day. I mentioned ordering the Tyndale to fellow pastors in my area and they are excited to see it when we gather again next month. Thank you for this video. I appreciate all the content that you put up.
In 2018 Crossway printed a top grain leather New Testament, reader's edition, with gold gilding. A very beautiful bible. I could get one. But I think it's not available any more.
@@bma Yes, it's the Tyndale text, text block and layout is exactly the same as the Reader's Edition you have shown. Maybe once Tyndale House Greek New Testament gains the favor of the people they will publish again a premium edition.
Do these Greek New Testaments say that Jesus is "the one and only Son of God" or "the only begotten Son of God"? This is the problem most people have with the modern versions. All the modern translators have abandoned the theology that Jesus is the only begotten of the Father (full of grace and truth) and have adopted an unscriptural view that Jesus is the one and only Son of God - which is false on its face. (For example, I'm a son of God, so Jesus really isn't God's one and only Son. The Old Testament calls Israel God's son. Luke calls Adam the son of God.) Read John 3:16 out of any of these Greek New Testaments. If they don't agree with the version that was read by the early church fathers (i.e. the Textus Receptus) then they are probably dependent on those later Gnostic texts we know as the Codex Sinaiticus and the Codex Vaticanus. The modern "experts" want us to believe that these later manuscripts are older than the Greek used in the second and third centuries and quoted by early church fathers. They're not.
Do you know the name of the font style the Tyndale House GNT uses? I love the font style and I want to use it when I read it on Accordance. Does the font style have a name?
The THGNT is also in Logos, (though some of the variant spellings lack glosses). This means I have it on PC, ereader and phone; I also have a physical copy, an attractive Cambridge Gray imitation leather edition that was a bargain.
I disagree! The Tyndale NT is mostly based on a Critical Text base which though earlier also is more erroneous than the Byzantine Text Base which is what I prefer! We have to remember that the Early Church Fathers used the Byzantine Text base not critical texts which are older because they survived in desert climates. The Critical Texts no doubt were affected by heretics in Egypt so I don’t trust them 👍
Yes - it looks at the oldest manuscripts to see what they had - so if they didn't have verses, they don't bring them into the text and leave them at the bottom of the page. Check this video for details: th-cam.com/video/0csnng-rZTY/w-d-xo.html
@@andrewinman1687 I don't know what "theory"you advocate for but those who oppose the eclectic text usually operate in circular reasoning. Not saying you are like that but it's just generally. Kjv only for example believe in 1 John 5:17 as original despite the clear evidence that it was added thorugh the Latin textual tradition. No Greek manuscript contains it prior to the 14th century.
@@acolytes777 I'm definitely not a king james onliest. I prefer the byzantine type. My struggle is with the oldest being better theory. The argument is that older manuscripts are more reliable yet we still keep the story of the woman caught in adultery.
Pick me please. I already have the 1-3John Journal and would love to have them all. Why? Well because at my level of learning, they are easy to read. Doing a chapter at a time is an easy way to build up my Greek. And I love a Greek NT where the earliest documents are considered for the text. And that it uses the paragraph markings, rather than the modern ones. And I agree that the goal of making Greek readability is the key here.
Thanks for watching!
I just ordered the Greek-English (side by side with ESV) version of this that came out recently and can’t wait!
You may be right about the THGNT being the wave of the future. But that doesn't concern an old fossil like me. I watched your video just this morning because YT recommended it (because I'm a subscriber to Hackett's BSAR channel, no doubt), and because I do want to be at least passingly familiar with new texts on the market. But I've collected Greek texts for decades, and of course, now there's the interwebs, so buying more hardcopy Greek texts is hardly necessary.
Besides, to me the actual textform used is more important than the type of paper or font style, etc. You mentioned that the base text predates WH, going back to Tregelles. True, but in my opinion that's a distinction without much of a difference. They're both critical texts. Admittedly I've not made an exhaustive comparative study of Tregelles vs. WH, but in the samples I've seen the readings were the same.
Anyway, well done. I liked this video, and "Liked" this video.
I love my Tydale Greek NT. I was fortunate enough to get the premium leather readers one which is very beautiful!
Very nice!
Another great video, thanks for informing us about this Bible. I just received my copy of the Greek only edition of the Tyndale and I love it! It is everything that you say it is: Very high quality materials, beautiful text printing and layout, the perfect amount of textual notes in it's apparatus, and very hard to put down. For anyone interested in reading the Greek New Testament, this is a must have! God bless you.
Thank you for your videos! They are much appreciated. I'm glad God has used you and your knowledge to further spread his word and the language he chose to have the New Testament written in. A question though, will you make a video describing how one may grow a glorious beard such as your own?
Thanks for your kind words! I'm not sure I'm much of an authority on beard growing! Blessings!
I have the tru tone and love it!
Sadly, being a couple of years after the time of this video, it looks like all the leather editions have been sold out / out of print for a while now. Does anybody happen to know if there’s anywhere one can still get one of these?
While I prefer TR and HF have to say the Tyndale is a great Greek text font readability excellent the apparatus way better than NA as it refers to main alternative readings
Hello again.
I purchased the Greek Journaling set and in the next few days I plan to dive into translating the NT. I have the long range goal of translating the entire NT over the course of my ministry.
What book would you suggest starting with?
A shorter book (like Jude)vs a longer book (like Matthew)?
Easier vocabulary in one book vs more obscure in another?
I want to take it in small bits but not get overwhelmed and burnt out. Thanks for the help and the inspiration/tools to maintain and grow my Greek.
I always recommend starting with the easy books and progressing to the more difficult. Jude is short, but very hard Greek. Start in 1-3 John and then go onto something in Paul that is short. 1-2 Thess are good choices. Check out this video for the sequence I use: th-cam.com/video/5r7cMQr2r7A/w-d-xo.html
With names like NA 28, UBS, Tyndale GNT, I'm not sure if I'm buying a bible or a new ipad 😂! Jokes aside, found the video quite informative and helpful!
I have the tyndale GNT with the critical aparatus in hardcover, and it's great. I'm interested in getting me the reader's edition. The edition with the critical apparatus places the first 11 verses of John 8 in the apparatus, so that part of the text is excluded from the main text. How does it look with the reader's edition? Are there the verses completely excluded?
man you are incredibly wordy. Please get to your points. I am in about 6 minutes & learned very little about why Tyndale is to be chosen.
They leave out important details that are in the papyri or manuscripts themselves because it is hard to publish to sell it.
I would be interested to hear a review of the Byzantine Greek NT by Dr. Maurice Robinson .
Thanks for the suggestion. Do you have a particular edition in mind? Or are you thinking about the edition as compared to the modern Critical editions or the Tyndale?
The latter. The only edition I am aware of was released in 2005. It is hardbound, with a fairly long appendix consisting of an essay by Dr. Robinson in support of the Byzantine textform. I would try to send you a picture of it, but it does not appear I can do so. Thank you for all you are doing to promote the reading and study of the Koine!
I think you’re right because of the type setting, the research behind the paragraphing, the inscrutability of the methodology shift behind NA28, and the respectability of the scholarship behind THGNT. The readability is a big deal.
I can’t help but wonder if the next edition of the ESV will be based on THGNT.
Can you point me towards any info on this methodology shift behind the NA28? I've wondered about it because there are so many editions. I heard about the '28 and I thought, "Heavens! What was wrong with the 27th?" While I think textual criticism can be a good thing, endlessly rolling out "new" editions every year or so is kind of weird.
They have now also done an ebook version of the THGNT which gives you four different formats , two in dark mode, which you can download and transfer to a PDF app like Notability where you can mark it up with an Apple Pencil or similar and print it out. Saves all the faffing about with cutting and pasting and reformatting text from other online versions and is great if you want to do everything online or keep your hard copy journals for one purpose (I use mine for the MNTG milestones,) but want to use the journal format again for another purpose but don’t want to clutter the house up with too many boxes.
Yes! Great choice if you want to use your iPad or other Tablet.
Where can I buy the PDF version of THGNT?
I think you might be right, but the UBS and Nestle people are paying attention and they are upping their game. There is even a Nestle scripture journal in the works.
Great! The more choices we have the more we'll enjoy our Greek New Testaments!
@@bma amen!
Any chance they would make available an audio version of TGNT done by a native Greek speaker? :)
Maybe. They've already done an electronic copy. My money would be on Logos doing something like that as they have for the SBL and UBS/NA28. Not sure what pronunciation they'd use though.
A question: Do you think the Tyndale will actually become the standard reference despite the manuscripts they chose not to use? Or maybe because of them, for that matter?
It won't replace critical editions for text critical issues, but it will become the go-to edition for reading the New Testament in Greek.
Nice video, hoping to enter to receive the set.
Excellent! Good choice!
Thank you for the video; very informative.
Keep up the great work that you're doing!
Thanks for watching!
Just ordered a readers' edition of this one. Looking forward to receiving it!
Great choice!
I bought a tyndale on sale recently they are great
There are some great deals! Especially this one: mntg.me/thgntcb
@@bma Wow that is a good price.
Absolutely love my new Tyndale House Reader's Edition GNT, I have owned several GNT's over the years and this one is my favorite. I also carry a tiny leather GNT from 1937 to church in my pocket because it's more mobile so it's on the go. The Tyndale House is a big book, not one I want to lug around.
I've been looking for one of those tiny leather Greek New Testaments!
@@bma I live in Grand Rapids, MI which is home to Baker Book House Used Books, full of pastoral libraries and hundreds of older edition Greeks. I got my tiny 1937 British Foreign Bible Society GNT for $10! Very well kept and black leather with fancy Greek gold lettering on front cover. You should give Baker Book House a phone call and get a nice one.
I like it some much I have two different versions -- I have a nice cover version in Greek only and then I also purchased the hardcover Greek - ESV parallel version which is great for those parts that are difficult to read in the Greek (yet).
Nice. Thanks for sharing!
Shalom adelphous
The Tyndale Greek NT in the Cowhide I ordered a month ago arrived and I am loving it.
The past few weeks leading up to its arrival I have been using my NA 28 at home and UBS in the office.
The Tyndale is a joy to read.
I appreciate the cleaner page in the Tyndale without the apparatus and textual references.
Bonus as you mentioned is the smell of the cowhide. I also love the smell of leather. My wallet, briefcase, planners ect are all leather and smell wonderful and I enjoy breathing it in when it arrives in the mail and every day.
I mentioned ordering the Tyndale to fellow pastors in my area and they are excited to see it when we gather again next month.
Thank you for this video. I appreciate all the content that you put up.
In 2018 Crossway printed a top grain leather New Testament, reader's edition, with gold gilding. A very beautiful bible. I could get one. But I think it's not available any more.
Interesting. Was that using the Tyndale or another Greek text?
@@bma Yes, it's the Tyndale text, text block and layout is exactly the same as the Reader's Edition you have shown. Maybe once Tyndale House Greek New Testament gains the favor of the people they will publish again a premium edition.
Do these Greek New Testaments say that Jesus is "the one and only Son of God" or "the only begotten Son of God"? This is the problem most people have with the modern versions. All the modern translators have abandoned the theology that Jesus is the only begotten of the Father (full of grace and truth) and have adopted an unscriptural view that Jesus is the one and only Son of God - which is false on its face. (For example, I'm a son of God, so Jesus really isn't God's one and only Son. The Old Testament calls Israel God's son. Luke calls Adam the son of God.) Read John 3:16 out of any of these Greek New Testaments. If they don't agree with the version that was read by the early church fathers (i.e. the Textus Receptus) then they are probably dependent on those later Gnostic texts we know as the Codex Sinaiticus and the Codex Vaticanus. The modern "experts" want us to believe that these later manuscripts are older than the Greek used in the second and third centuries and quoted by early church fathers. They're not.
Hi will you do a review of wilbur pickering f35 textual apparatus?
Oh wow, what a video to stumble upon! :)
Glad you liked it!
Do you know the name of the font style the Tyndale House GNT uses? I love the font style and I want to use it when I read it on Accordance. Does the font style have a name?
I use a Septuagint+TR combo.
Looking forward to getting one of these!
Pick me! Pick me!
Which Tyndale Edition do you like or use? Leave a comment below!
Awesome! Thanks!
The THGNT is also in Logos, (though some of the variant spellings lack glosses). This means I have it on PC, ereader and phone; I also have a physical copy, an attractive Cambridge Gray imitation leather edition that was a bargain.
Trutone version for me. I like the flexible cover and the ease of reading. But more than anything I love the paragraphing.
My favourite is the hardcover-until I buy the leather Cambridge edition that is! : )
I purchased the 1-3 John journal version, the spaces make it very easy to read. And the small size makes it easy to carry around with me. Loving it
Are these printed on acid-free paper?
I don't know, sorry. Its not something I have ever really focused on.
I disagree! The Tyndale NT is mostly based on a Critical Text base which though earlier also is more erroneous than the Byzantine Text Base which is what I prefer! We have to remember that the Early Church Fathers used the Byzantine Text base not critical texts which are older because they survived in desert climates. The Critical Texts no doubt were affected by heretics in Egypt so I don’t trust them 👍
I hope I win too!
Hard covers are awful.
You know, I used to think so too, but I like this one.
This "Tyndale" Greek Text is the same as Tregelles's text.
TREGELLES's is the WORST text I have EVER seen!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh. Why is that?
Saying Wescott and Hort were not Devil’s in the flesh is just plain false
Is it missing verses like modern translations?
Yes - it looks at the oldest manuscripts to see what they had - so if they didn't have verses, they don't bring them into the text and leave them at the bottom of the page. Check this video for details: th-cam.com/video/0csnng-rZTY/w-d-xo.html
More it doesn't have the ADDED verses
That bugs me. The assumption that older manuscripts are better is just a theory. It doesn't factor in location for the founding of a manuscript.
@@andrewinman1687 I don't know what "theory"you advocate for but those who oppose the eclectic text usually operate in circular reasoning. Not saying you are like that but it's just generally.
Kjv only for example believe in 1 John 5:17 as original despite the clear evidence that it was added thorugh the Latin textual tradition. No Greek manuscript contains it prior to the 14th century.
@@acolytes777 I'm definitely not a king james onliest. I prefer the byzantine type. My struggle is with the oldest being better theory. The argument is that older manuscripts are more reliable yet we still keep the story of the woman caught in adultery.