And a better O-line helps to keep our QB healthy, as well as more time. Our On-line has been junk since 2009-10. Let's win the SB for Moss. "Super Bowl, Homeboy!"
@@mikemaricle9941 and we stuck like we were with Kirk. This success is a “team” success, Darnold is a mid tier quarterback. JJ on a rookie deal with even more weapons is the better play long term.
@@caesaraugustus784he's playing like a top 10 QB this year. If he does it again next season, he's basically a tier 2 QB behind Allen, Mahomes, Lamar and Burrow. In the tier with Stafford, Herbert, Goff, Stroud and Love
If they trade J.J. McCarthy away, we are incredibly stupid. The only thing we need to mainly focus on is our offensive line and our secondary defense. Hopefully we can bring it home this year 🏆
The plan was to bring in Sam Darnold as a bridge quarterback, then transition to JJ on a rookie contract that allows the rest of the team to be improved/rebuilt. As much as I am impressed with, and happy for, Darnold, keeping him would be massively expensive and derail the advantage of having JJ on the rookie contract.
Sometimes winning the lottery derails the advantage of having a career because you lose motivation and quit. That doesn’t mean you need to give away your winning lottery ticket.
JJM is the future of the Vikings regardless of what we think. Thank goodness the Vikings have moved on from the perpetual salary suck of overpaying for non-elite QBs.
@@jiordone8563 yes he was …he was killing sam in camp for a min and those two games had him in position to take over the spot . Go look at how KOC talked about him before and after 😂
Could not agree more. He may well be our very own Favre. Has already shown Brees like talent, crazy scrambling ability, and maturity beyond his years. Trading him would be a total, unmitigated faceplant of epic proportions.
Yeah don't trade JJ... But he can train / play behind Darnold until he can't do it anymore... Matters how Darnold finishes the season and playoffs. If Darnold does what we think he will you CANNOT let him go.. Short term deal 1-3 years big money...
I still whole heartedly believe in JJ McArthy! If we think Darnold's elite right now, which he is, just and wait and see what the pride of Michigan is going to for the Vikings for years. Stoked!!!
@@jrpereira1539 your definition of "elite" is different from mine if you think Darnold is elite. Elite to me means his highs are prime Tom Brady/Peyton Manning level highs and his lows are still comparable to a good day for an average QB. Darnold right now, his lows are Will Levis/Daniel Jones/Jets Darnold bad and hes always got one of those disaster games in his back pocket waiting to come out unannounced at any time. Alot of his success right now is KOC and Jetts/Addison making him look good.
@@williammason1051 well you're right about one thing. If you think Darnold is a rookie and a better prospect than JJ McCarthy you're definitely Confused. Have you been paying any attention to football the last 6 years? You know thats how long Darnold has been playing and has been labeled a bust?
This all Depends on What the Coaches And GM Thinks of Sam Darnold! Trading JJ is A Desperate reach for Someone Needing a Story! Wow! Keep Sam Darnold And JJ SKOL
JJ could totally flop. Almost 50% of 1st round QBs do. I’ll take the young stud QB who’s proven what he can do over the young QB who literally hasn’t done anything and might never pan out.
It makes zero sense to sign Darnold to a new contract when they have McCarthy on a rookie contract and Jones who I think KOC could possible rehab to be a solid backup.
We got him on his rookie deal even if we sit jj Mccarthy one season more or part of the season he will learn plus sam and Danny dimes was rushed so they can tell him how rushed messes carreer
Trading JJ may be the thing that would forever destroy my fandom, actually. Trading him would be beyond moronic. Even IF they decided to roll with Darnold for a year or two they've STILL got JJ on a rookie deal for up to 5 years total. No reason in the world to trade him. Who even suggested this stupid idea?
the franchise tag or a 2-3 year deal makes the most sense. if Darnold keeps it up then his trade value is even better for us, if he doesn’t then JJM will be there to step in. Darnold has to know the Vikings are a much better situation than any team that would want to sign him. if he stays another year & keeps this up he could go from a team wanting to give him the Baker contract to teams willing to give him $40-50mil & better security long term. plus JJM is incredibly young. him sitting for another year or two isn’t a bad thing. yes the rookie qb contract would be shorter. i’d rather have that with a QB hand picked & molded by KOC with plenty of time to learn everything he can without the possibility of being thrown in too early & stunting his development. in the end i trust KOC & what he thinks is best for long term
I agree except I wouldnt say Great, more like Good. Great would be prime Tom Brady or Peyton Manning level production and consistency. Darnold keeping that disaster 4 INT game in his back pocket ready to cash out anytime also makes me nervous. You dont trade JJ because koc has manage to disguise Darnold as a good QB for 3/4 of the season.
@@jamesbusch282 Well duh, he's a rookie, of course he's unproven. And injuries happens to every player. Did you forget that Mahomes was out 3 or 4 games in 2019, that's the year he won his first Super Bowl? My point was that we don't know if Darnold can play at the same high level as he's showing this year and he's going to want big money to stay here. JJ will be cheap and has higher ceilings. Also, the team can afford to bring in other players to surround JJ and keep competing for years to come. Did you forget what happened to this team after they gave Cousins all those money?
@@jamesbusch282 no really?? Stating the obvious. Lol. I didnt know improven and injured automatically means he wont be good or better than Darnold? Also i didn't know Darnold is now a sure fire hall of famer after barely a season of ok to good play? Especially considering how his career has started previously with Jets and Panthers. We're supposed to just forget all that history now?
Please never have "The Vikings Trading JJ McCarthy" as the beginning of a video title again because on mobile that is where it cuts off and I almost had a heart attack
Hate to see Darold leave and JJ turns into another bridgewater. Is Darnold our next tarkenton ? 3 years contract for Darnold. Keep JJ benched and learning. Some team will give Darnold a 3 year contract doubt he will resign for less.
@andrewlee1221 Exactly! Vikings want that QB rookie deal. That allows you to keep and build upon the team we have now. You give Darnold that 3 yr deal and we are right back to where we were with Cousins. What did that get us. 1 f'ing playoff win. NO THANKS! Point is for a superbowl, Right!
Tell me the percentage of a 4th quarterback taken in a draft has pan out. I'm sure it's less than 10%. Why do we so quickly want to get rid of a known result (MVP level) for an unknown one? If JJ doesn't pan out ... Get ready for being last in the division for years to come. Btw, Sam is only a year older than Jordan Love.
@jacktheman1989 Those Qbs have not been drafted onto a team with so many weapons. If KOC can get Nick Mullens to avg 300 yards/game and score mid 20s per game. Then take Darnold who nobody wanted and thought was a bust. Yea I will take my chances with McCarthy in that. Then over paying 40+ mil to Sam Darnold. Everyone seems to think Darnold is the savior. But we have been in how many close games this yr. What do you think will happen if we give Darnold that contract? It will be Cousins all over again. No money to pay other needs on the team. I for one actually want to win a superbowl. Not be 1 and done in the playoffs or win 1 game in 6 yrs in the playoffs like Cousins...Last what is the percentage of teams that win the superbowl paying their QB 45+mil/yr? Probably the same as your 4th taken QB.....
No chance vikings do this. I believe koc and kwesi are too smart to do panic impulse moves like some of these moronic fans/media are suggesting. For a franchise that NEVER drafts a QB top 10. The second we draft a guy top 10, we get rid of him (without even seeing what he has first?) because the guy we picked up from the streets looks kinda like a QB after barely a season in which he also did have some disaster games? What if JJ McCarthy is Patrick Mahomes/Tom Brady? We just got rid of him because we found Case Keenum? Dumber than dumb. Vikings are truly cursed if this happens.
Stop. He's not going to be Mahomes/Brady. He was the 5th QB selected in his class in the draft last year. It was the first 3 and then everyone else. I don't think he's going to eclipse what Darnold will do this year. But this offseason will be interesting.
@juliusjean-baptiste924 JJ McCarthy is the best QB in this draft class. You will see in time. This was my QB rankings before the draft. This should have been the top 3 in this order but im glad it wasnt so Vikings can get JJ McCarthy. 1. JJ McCarthy 2. Jayden Daniels 3. Bo Nix I felt Caleb and Drake Maye would be nothing special. I actually thought Caleb would do better than hes doing now. Drake Maye is overrated. Jayden and Bo Nix are balling right now as i predicted they would. Only one guy i would take over Jayden and thats JJ McCarthy.
The plans shouldn’t have changed. Darnold did his job, JJ is recovering and the Vikes are set to be good for years. Tag and trade Darnold, beef up the lines and go from there.
Why would any fan want this? We got JJ because he is a leader AND a winner….on a rookie deal. The moment we pay Sam too much, the moment we don’t have a complete team again.
I liken it to maybe what the Chiefs situation was...they had Alex Smith who was very good..much like Darnold. He may even take us a ways in this year's playoffs. So maybe the Vikes keep Darnold for another year to let McCarthy mature even more and give a good starter and then eventually backup to McCarthy...and then hopefully McCarthy turns into a "Mahomes". Otherwise the Vikes should tag and trade Darnold. It is not mean. It is by the rules and gives the Vikes some compensation for the time and training they put into Darnold. Darnold still comes out a winner cuz it was proven that he is a good QB in the right system.
I can't imagine any football reason we'd want to trade McCarthy. If the deal is right, bring Sam back and see how they stack up in the off-season. At worst we're paying for a quality starting QB with a hotshot rookie waiting in case Sam goes down to injury. Otherwise, keep Jones in the locker room and see what you have in the off-season, most likely with McCarthy starting in 2025. it seems like there's only financial reasons to consider trading him.
KOC should have a decent idea by what he saw in camp what he has in JJ. If he's confident in what he saw, move onto JJ next year. Darnold is pretty good, but likely not elite. There's been times when he's been seeing ghosts out there, he's been coached up by KOC and has elite talent around him. If you sign hm long term, good chance you're back in a similar situation that you were with Cousins with a QB taking up a lot of cap space. If KOC is unsure about JJ at this point, franchise Darnold and roll for one more year. Otherwise on to JJ next year, hope to compete in 2025 with an eye towards 2026 being the year to take it to the next level.
Sign Darnold to a 3 year deal treat McCarthy like Rodgers, Love... only entertain trading McCarthy if you get a Bryce Young type trade offer (multiple 1s and a Starter).
@@AndreCrowder that completely defeats the purpose of a rookie scale contract that allows the best team possible. What the Packers did with Love was wrong and they may have ended up paying an above average QB elite money, which has almost always been a mistake.
Sam is where we want JJ to be. JJ is on his rookie deal, we can hold onto him and keep Sam as our starter. Sam has come close to injury this year JJ would be insurance.
No JJ is the future presently we have Sam, we keep both just like the 49 erst with Montana and Young. I remember watching games and announcers saying Young would be a starter for any other team, well Young did have his chance later and he played well, why can't we do the same thing!!!
The media is always wanting the vikings to trade away their best assets. They said trade Jefferson, then trade KOC, now it is trade JJ. Just raw hate in my humble opinion.
@@chocktaebolanca757 yea he placing good because he has talent and getting coached up. why not play the man who clearly has more talent and needs reps and to be coached up lmaoooo we going pay him and lose other ppl instead of building
@@deeswagg21 Darnold was taken number 3 overall in his draft and is only 28. If you think McCarthy is going to produce numbers even semi close to Darnold if he starts next year you are either insane or don’t know anything about football. JJ is our future but Darnold is better right now
@@chocktaebolanca757 lmao he literally was going take the job from sam when whole time he was drafted to sit until he was ready, clearly he more talented . his injury has like a 97 percent recovery rate with no lingering affects so yes ill take the 21 year old who showed he was more talented and could be coached up the same way sam was. LMAO whole reason to not getting a high paid qb was to do what they doing this season , if we didnt have jj rookie contract we wouldnt even have sam or van or cashman or others lmao
Do what the packers did with Jordan Love. McCarthy is a better talent than love was coming out of college. How about we actually practice what we preach and actually develop a young QB instead of shipping him off. Based on ONE year of quality play from a former top ten pick. I like Sam Darnold and I love that he's proven to be the player that the scouts said he could be. But JJ is the guy KOC picked. And I trust that
no because then the packers had to pay him as soon as he played. yall forget jj wasnt supposed to start but he was forsure taking the spot from sam before he got hurt, all he need is reps
@@deeswagg21 you're gonna have to pay a QB at some point anyway. Why is everyone so obsessed with getting cheap QB play? I'm not saying it's not an advantage. But having a QB on a rookie deal shouldn't be your number one priority. Look around the league all of the teams competing for a Super Bowl have good quarterback's none of them are rookies and they aren't playing for free. Securing game winning QB play is the most Important thing. Let the GM manage the cap just like all other good teams and well ran organizations do
@ lmao that literally was the number one priority because they would’ve kept Kirk and let Jj sit under him if that was the case ? ….lmao that’s literally how they got Sam , that’s how they got van , u pay Sam 30-40 u lose a lot of that flexibility u have ….plus Jj been sitting for a year already ..at that point it would be just reps especially with how he played in camp and preseason he clear as day as a feel for the game 😂…a lot of teams are in cap hell and playing to be put out first round .. I mean no shit most rookies are going be drafted into bad situations , it’s a reason jj even said every rookie wanted to play for the Vikings 😂
I would really like to keep Darnold and JJ McCarthy... what we font really need is Daniel Jones... no offense to DJ, I believe he is a nice guy and he killed us in that playoff game, but i feel we are adding a bunch of silly stuff we don't need... its all extra and more money to pay out... Invest it better and on o-line...
I need help from the skolmmunity. There is a song called "Big Man Blastoise" that is an earworm, but I would like it to say "Big Sam Darnold" or "Big Man Darnold".....thanks
4:47 If the Vikings offer Darnold the Baker Mayfield deal, I GUARANTEE he will take it. He knows full well the teams available out there may have the cash but not the environment for him to thrive in. So unless the Rams are in play (and Stafford retires), I can see him taking this deal and that's IF Kwesi offers it.
KAM should have been smart enough as finance guy to at least use the leverage they had to get a $15-20 million option for a second year from Sam. Sam wanted to be here and would have easily agreed to that. That would have allowed us to trade him without having to franchise him. KAM's biggest weakness is that he is in love with players from high-profile programs. His first year, all he needed to do was draft Tyler Linderbaum. If he had done that, our line would be solid up the middle and the offense would be the best in the league.
I’m so sick of seeing people talk about the rookie contract. Getting a QB on the cheap is an added benefit but not the main goal. The goal is to find a stud QB. Paying him isn’t the problem. It’s paying someone like Kirk top 5 money to get top 15 production. So do we let JJ walk in 4 years cuz he’ll cost a lot of money?
I don’t know how anyone can predict that JJ is going to be a great QB without taking an NFL snap. I believe that durability is the best ability. JJ has already had surgery at 21 years old. Darnold wasn’t given the starting job, he earned it, and was going to start this season over JJ even if he didn’t get injured. Darnold is 27 years old, and has had an incredible season (so far). Sure our offensive talent is a big part of his success, but he’s proven he can do the job. JJ has great potential, but still has no body of NFL work. I’d never let Darnold walk, and sign him for a two year deal in the neighborhood of 60 million. Let JJ sit, he missed his entire rookie season. On a separate note, Jefferson will have a big say in who he wants throwing him the ball, and it seems like he’s gotten comfortable with Darnold. Keep both on the roster, but if opportunity knocks, and heavy draft capital is offered for JJ, I’d give it consideration, especially since we have none for the 2025 draft.
There's not gonna be a heavy draft capital for JJ coming off an injury. Maybe a high 2nd at best but don't expect anything like multiple firsts. But I'm sure opportunity will come knocking.
Most QBs drafted early end up falling far short of expectations. Letting go of the guy who lead Vikings to 11-2 for an unproven guy would be nasty work
That’s not the point at all. The point is not paying a ton on QB so the entire team can excel. If Darnold wants to take 20 mil or less, then bring it on! If not, bye!
Darnold should exit. He’s looking for a team that wants him as the future, i.e. “all in on him.” As it’s been said, KOC is dubbed JJ as the future. It would not be simpatico for Darnold or the Vikings to extend their association.
@@deadturtle007 i would only entertain that if one of those "ones" include the 1st overall pick to take Arch Manning 2 or 3 years from now. Otherwise good luck finding an as good or better QB prospect than JJ McCarthy in the next 3 years.
@SincerelyJnC yeah, that definitely matters for value. We used a top 10 pick, definitely need something better than what we spent because otherwise there is no reason to sell yet.
I prefer JJ long term. Tag and trade Darnold. But if offered a top three pick this year and an additional 1 and 3 is offered you have to think about it.
Every SYSTEMS needs a good QUARTERBACK. LET HIM GO and Let Danny DIMES TAKE OVER BUILD HIS CAREER UP. 26 J.M. TIME AND FOREVER AND FOREVER. IT'S THE SYSTEMS.
The dxmb idea is just to let sam go and expect him to put the sam numbers as sam. But hey I'm a jets fan id love for him to come back but I think he fits the vikings the best still.
The Jabronies are talking shit to get in Mericas head, because they were (All) wrong. They want Vikes to sign him so if he has a mediocre game they can poo on them for signing. Let season play out and don't let hypothetical bullshit cloud your mind. Enjoy the ride!!
Look I get that having a QB on a rookie deal is great.. but tbh I'd rather just have a QB that we can depend on to win us games.. Sign Darnold to short three year reasonable QB deal and do not grant him a no trade clause. Let JJ develop and then trade Darnold when McCarthy is 100000% ready to go. Will you have to pay soon ? Yeah probably but like I said I just want a damn good QB
That wouldnt make sense because then u would have to cut back on other assets we wouldnt be able to keep ppl like van and cashman or add more ppl lol and if we could add ppl that would give us a short window with them
@ if what you're saying is true that means teams who have a quality that they are paying. Can't field a good team to compete for a Super Bowl. We know that's not true
@@MichaelRucker-ns5po why do u keep mentioning what other teams are doing ? lol what other team is built like the Vikings lol yall acting like jj just got hurt and didn’t take advantage of the time he got to sit 😂 yall acting like this offseason jj wasn’t up there or wasn’t debatably better than Sam . Sam is balling because although he got talent he was coached up and had the chance to learn from his mistakes in game 😂 why do yall wanna strip jj of that and turn him into some practice qb 😂
If folks think McCarthy can play at the same level as Darnold, you are dreaming. McCarthy played in what 1 pre season game against who? Sorry, McCarthy is an unknown. It isn't no where near trading Babe Ruth. McCarthy doesn't have the same QB make up as Darnold, his arm strength isn't like Darnolds,
I agree. I’m fully on the trade McCarthy train if Sam takes us to the nfc championship. Super Bowl windows don’t come around often. It would be typical Vikings to not take advantage of this opportunity and build the best possible team we can because we have the best backup in the league sitting behind our 26 year old franchise qb. Like bro if it’s a high first round pick and a star player or a 2026 first round pick. That’s a hell of a return for a team that is competing for a Super Bowl
I think the coaching staff knows more about both of those guys than you do. If KOC says JJ is the guy then I believe him. You spent a top ten pick on the kid, see what you have before you ship him off..resign Darnold to a short and fair deal and allow JJ to develop. He's so young
We keep JJ and invest in a better o-line, giving us a better run game and more time to throw to JJ, Addison, and TJ…..bruh. Let’s build a juggernaut
And a better O-line helps to keep our QB healthy, as well as more time. Our On-line has been junk since 2009-10.
Let's win the SB for Moss.
"Super Bowl, Homeboy!"
Need to find a way to keep both.
@@mikemaricle9941 and we stuck like we were with Kirk. This success is a “team” success, Darnold is a mid tier quarterback. JJ on a rookie deal with even more weapons is the better play long term.
@@caesaraugustus784he's playing like a top 10 QB this year. If he does it again next season, he's basically a tier 2 QB behind Allen, Mahomes, Lamar and Burrow. In the tier with Stafford, Herbert, Goff, Stroud and Love
@@caesaraugustus784 The thing that scares me about JJ is I remember another promising young quarterback with knee problems.
If they trade J.J. McCarthy away, we are incredibly stupid. The only thing we need to mainly focus on is our offensive line and our secondary defense. Hopefully we can bring it home this year 🏆
EXACTLY! Imagine how insanely talented our entire team can be with JJM on a rookie contract the next 4 years!!
And a BLOB in the middle
The Stupidity of the National media to even think we would trade McCarthy 🙄🙄
Homeboy here. I’m getting it from the local fan base too! Doing my best to ridicule those who think it’s a good idea to trade JJ.
The plan was to bring in Sam Darnold as a bridge quarterback, then transition to JJ on a rookie contract that allows the rest of the team to be improved/rebuilt. As much as I am impressed with, and happy for, Darnold, keeping him would be massively expensive and derail the advantage of having JJ on the rookie contract.
Sometimes winning the lottery derails the advantage of having a career because you lose motivation and quit.
That doesn’t mean you need to give away your winning lottery ticket.
Keep as many Qb’s as possible and let the injuries sort it all out
Outside the box "what if" thinking, well done. Will not and better not happen.
JJM is the future of the Vikings regardless of what we think. Thank goodness the Vikings have moved on from the perpetual salary suck of overpaying for non-elite QBs.
Kirk Cousins was an elite QB for the Vikings
It did seem like JJ was on a trajectory to beat out Darold in training camp.
@@EricSchultz-v5g he was, and very few fans remember that apparently
he was lol especially with how he was cooking with jackson . sam was never going touch the field
no he wasn't
@@jiordone8563 yes he was …he was killing sam in camp for a min and those two games had him in position to take over the spot . Go look at how KOC talked about him before and after 😂
@@deeswagg21 KOC never spoke of darnold not being the starter. of course he will talk up his guys regardless.
Could not agree more. He may well be our very own Favre. Has already shown Brees like talent, crazy scrambling ability, and maturity beyond his years. Trading him would be a total, unmitigated faceplant of epic proportions.
He’s literally only played in like half a preseason game lol. He hasn’t shown anything yet
Absolutely keep JJ McCarty!
Yeah don't trade JJ... But he can train / play behind Darnold until he can't do it anymore... Matters how Darnold finishes the season and playoffs. If Darnold does what we think he will you CANNOT let him go.. Short term deal 1-3 years big money...
I still whole heartedly believe in JJ McArthy! If we think Darnold's elite right now, which he is, just and wait and see what the pride of Michigan is going to for the Vikings for years. Stoked!!!
@@jrpereira1539 your definition of "elite" is different from mine if you think Darnold is elite. Elite to me means his highs are prime Tom Brady/Peyton Manning level highs and his lows are still comparable to a good day for an average QB.
Darnold right now, his lows are Will Levis/Daniel Jones/Jets Darnold bad and hes always got one of those disaster games in his back pocket waiting to come out unannounced at any time. Alot of his success right now is KOC and Jetts/Addison making him look good.
I’m confused by this take given the fact JJ isn’t a better prospect than Darnold. IMO Darnold may as well be a rookie to me
@@williammason1051 well you're right about one thing. If you think Darnold is a rookie and a better prospect than JJ McCarthy you're definitely Confused. Have you been paying any attention to football the last 6 years? You know thats how long Darnold has been playing and has been labeled a bust?
He's right JJ would most likely be 1 overall in this years draft
I want the Minnesota Vikings to keep JJ McCarthy
Trading McCarthy would be even more stupid than passing on Hamilton to draft Lewis Cine.
You dont trade JJ McCarthy after trading your 2025 picks to position yourself to getting him at pick #10 in the 2024 NFL Draft.
The whole reason they drafted JJ was to get a quarterback on his rookie deal. Makes no sense to trade him
This all Depends on What the Coaches And GM Thinks of Sam Darnold! Trading JJ is A Desperate reach for Someone Needing a Story! Wow! Keep Sam Darnold And JJ SKOL
Not in this Lifetime. Be right up there with Hershel Walker trade.
JJ looked great in his one pre season game and he’s young and on a rookie deal even if Darnold wins MVP and the SB I still would rather have McCarthy
JJ could totally flop. Almost 50% of 1st round QBs do. I’ll take the young stud QB who’s proven what he can do over the young QB who literally hasn’t done anything and might never pan out.
If they trade JJ McCarthy! I’m done with this franchise!
Me too lol
Yeah I'll pick a new team
No you're not! Its called being a Vikings fan!
@@chengcha9289 luckily I don’t think this version of the Vikings makes that kind of mistake.
@@SeekJesus27 I hope not
Trade JJ and sit back and watch him create a dynasty. Vikings finally have a chance not to F things up. Don't....do....it!
See what Darnald wants first.
Keep Darnald at least one year.
Let Kwesi do his magic.
But McCarthy ain't going anywhere!! But in Minnesota.
JJ has an "it" factor Darnold just doesn't have. Tag and trade Sammy. Roll with JJ and Danny
It makes zero sense to sign Darnold to a new contract when they have McCarthy on a rookie contract and Jones who I think KOC could possible rehab to be a solid backup.
We got him on his rookie deal even if we sit jj Mccarthy one season more or part of the season he will learn plus sam and Danny dimes was rushed so they can tell him how rushed messes carreer
Darnold, JJMac, Daniel Jones should be the QB lineup in 2025
Trading JJ may be the thing that would forever destroy my fandom, actually. Trading him would be beyond moronic. Even IF they decided to roll with Darnold for a year or two they've STILL got JJ on a rookie deal for up to 5 years total. No reason in the world to trade him.
Who even suggested this stupid idea?
the franchise tag or a 2-3 year deal makes the most sense. if Darnold keeps it up then his trade value is even better for us, if he doesn’t then JJM will be there to step in. Darnold has to know the Vikings are a much better situation than any team that would want to sign him. if he stays another year & keeps this up he could go from a team wanting to give him the Baker contract to teams willing to give him $40-50mil & better security long term.
plus JJM is incredibly young. him sitting for another year or two isn’t a bad thing. yes the rookie qb contract would be shorter. i’d rather have that with a QB hand picked & molded by KOC with plenty of time to learn everything he can without the possibility of being thrown in too early & stunting his development. in the end i trust KOC & what he thinks is best for long term
Hell no! Yes, Darnold is playing great BUT we don't know if he can repeat his performance year in and year out. JJ McC is our future and he's cheap!
I agree except I wouldnt say Great, more like Good. Great would be prime Tom Brady or Peyton Manning level production and consistency. Darnold keeping that disaster 4 INT game in his back pocket ready to cash out anytime also makes me nervous.
You dont trade JJ because koc has manage to disguise Darnold as a good QB for 3/4 of the season.
JJ is unproven and injured.
@@jamesbusch282 Well duh, he's a rookie, of course he's unproven. And injuries happens to every player. Did you forget that Mahomes was out 3 or 4 games in 2019, that's the year he won his first Super Bowl? My point was that we don't know if Darnold can play at the same high level as he's showing this year and he's going to want big money to stay here. JJ will be cheap and has higher ceilings. Also, the team can afford to bring in other players to surround JJ and keep competing for years to come. Did you forget what happened to this team after they gave Cousins all those money?
@@jamesbusch282 no really?? Stating the obvious. Lol. I didnt know improven and injured automatically means he wont be good or better than Darnold? Also i didn't know Darnold is now a sure fire hall of famer after barely a season of ok to good play? Especially considering how his career has started previously with Jets and Panthers. We're supposed to just forget all that history now?
Please never have "The Vikings Trading JJ McCarthy" as the beginning of a video title again because on mobile that is where it cuts off and I almost had a heart attack
A couple of people was saying this although I would like to extend darnold never should anyone suggest trading McCarthy
DJ could be the bridge next year if JJ is not ready
Hate to see Darold leave and JJ turns into another bridgewater. Is Darnold our next tarkenton ? 3 years contract for Darnold. Keep JJ benched and learning. Some team will give Darnold a 3 year contract doubt he will resign for less.
And once darnold is gone we have to pay jj just like how the packers paid love. The whole point was to get a rookie qb so we can pay everyone else
@andrewlee1221 Exactly! Vikings want that QB rookie deal. That allows you to keep and build upon the team we have now. You give Darnold that 3 yr deal and we are right back to where we were with Cousins. What did that get us. 1 f'ing playoff win. NO THANKS! Point is for a superbowl, Right!
@@andrewlee1221right, that’s why we go right to JJM with the rest of the team being as good as it could possibly be.
Tell me the percentage of a 4th quarterback taken in a draft has pan out. I'm sure it's less than 10%. Why do we so quickly want to get rid of a known result (MVP level) for an unknown one? If JJ doesn't pan out ... Get ready for being last in the division for years to come. Btw, Sam is only a year older than Jordan Love.
@jacktheman1989 Those Qbs have not been drafted onto a team with so many weapons. If KOC can get Nick Mullens to avg 300 yards/game and score mid 20s per game. Then take Darnold who nobody wanted and thought was a bust. Yea I will take my chances with McCarthy in that. Then over paying 40+ mil to Sam Darnold. Everyone seems to think Darnold is the savior. But we have been in how many close games this yr. What do you think will happen if we give Darnold that contract? It will be Cousins all over again. No money to pay other needs on the team. I for one actually want to win a superbowl. Not be 1 and done in the playoffs or win 1 game in 6 yrs in the playoffs like Cousins...Last what is the percentage of teams that win the superbowl paying their QB 45+mil/yr? Probably the same as your 4th taken QB.....
No chance vikings do this. I believe koc and kwesi are too smart to do panic impulse moves like some of these moronic fans/media are suggesting.
For a franchise that NEVER drafts a QB top 10. The second we draft a guy top 10, we get rid of him (without even seeing what he has first?) because the guy we picked up from the streets looks kinda like a QB after barely a season in which he also did have some disaster games?
What if JJ McCarthy is Patrick Mahomes/Tom Brady? We just got rid of him because we found Case Keenum? Dumber than dumb. Vikings are truly cursed if this happens.
Stop. He's not going to be Mahomes/Brady. He was the 5th QB selected in his class in the draft last year. It was the first 3 and then everyone else. I don't think he's going to eclipse what Darnold will do this year. But this offseason will be interesting.
@juliusjean-baptiste924 JJ McCarthy is the best QB in this draft class. You will see in time. This was my QB rankings before the draft. This should have been the top 3 in this order but im glad it wasnt so Vikings can get JJ McCarthy.
1. JJ McCarthy
2. Jayden Daniels
3. Bo Nix
I felt Caleb and Drake Maye would be nothing special. I actually thought Caleb would do better than hes doing now. Drake Maye is overrated. Jayden and Bo Nix are balling right now as i predicted they would. Only one guy i would take over Jayden and thats JJ McCarthy.
The plans shouldn’t have changed. Darnold did his job, JJ is recovering and the Vikes are set to be good for years. Tag and trade Darnold, beef up the lines and go from there.
Well, your first mistake is listening to the national media. 😂😂😂
Give Sam a one year team friendly deal. Develop JJ another year. Let Sam walk after 2025. Build the OL and DL. We will be OK.
Why are we even entertaining this?
Why would any fan want this? We got JJ because he is a leader AND a winner….on a rookie deal.
The moment we pay Sam too much, the moment we don’t have a complete team again.
Dude hasn't even done anything yet in the nfl. Just because he won in college doesn't mean he's going to do the same thing in the NFL.
Oh amen!!! I would keep them both. Anything else is nuts.
They're not going to trade JJ he's on a rookie deal. Give Sam a 2-3 year deal.
That would be the dumbest thing to trade jj he's got more talent then Darnold for sure my eyes don't tell me lies i see more potential in jj
NO NO NO LET DARNOLD GO keep the youngest
Yeah. That is as daft as trading JETS. I don’t think so…
Can’t trade Norsestradamus
Nothing burger. JJ isn't going anywhere. Darnold will be franchised and trading or a 2-year deal for 70M and two void years.
I liken it to maybe what the Chiefs situation was...they had Alex Smith who was very good..much like Darnold. He may even take us a ways in this year's playoffs. So maybe the Vikes keep Darnold for another year to let McCarthy mature even more and give a good starter and then eventually backup to McCarthy...and then hopefully McCarthy turns into a "Mahomes". Otherwise the Vikes should tag and trade Darnold. It is not mean. It is by the rules and gives the Vikes some compensation for the time and training they put into Darnold. Darnold still comes out a winner cuz it was proven that he is a good QB in the right system.
I can't imagine any football reason we'd want to trade McCarthy. If the deal is right, bring Sam back and see how they stack up in the off-season. At worst we're paying for a quality starting QB with a hotshot rookie waiting in case Sam goes down to injury. Otherwise, keep Jones in the locker room and see what you have in the off-season, most likely with McCarthy starting in 2025. it seems like there's only financial reasons to consider trading him.
KOC should have a decent idea by what he saw in camp what he has in JJ. If he's confident in what he saw, move onto JJ next year. Darnold is pretty good, but likely not elite. There's been times when he's been seeing ghosts out there, he's been coached up by KOC and has elite talent around him. If you sign hm long term, good chance you're back in a similar situation that you were with Cousins with a QB taking up a lot of cap space. If KOC is unsure about JJ at this point, franchise Darnold and roll for one more year. Otherwise on to JJ next year, hope to compete in 2025 with an eye towards 2026 being the year to take it to the next level.
Sign Darnold to a 3 year deal treat McCarthy like Rodgers, Love... only entertain trading McCarthy if you get a Bryce Young type trade offer (multiple 1s and a Starter).
@@AndreCrowder that completely defeats the purpose of a rookie scale contract that allows the best team possible. What the Packers did with Love was wrong and they may have ended up paying an above average QB elite money, which has almost always been a mistake.
thats horrible logic lol
Sam is where we want JJ to be. JJ is on his rookie deal, we can hold onto him and keep Sam as our starter. Sam has come close to injury this year JJ would be insurance.
Exactly nothing wrong with sitting him 1 or 2 more years.
For one year, that’s the only palatable idea other than just going right to JJM.
Keep darnold he gets hurt than McCarthy gets his chance and darnold is gone! That’s what think will happen
No JJ is the future presently we have Sam, we keep both just like the 49 erst with Montana and Young. I remember watching games and announcers saying Young would be a starter for any other team, well Young did have his chance later and he played well, why can't we do the same thing!!!
The media is always wanting the vikings to trade away their best assets. They said trade Jefferson, then trade KOC, now it is trade JJ. Just raw hate in my humble opinion.
keep both, play Mccarthy in a year or two after 2-3 superbowls. lol
Tag and trade darnold if possible. If not, ill let darnold walk. Built the interior of the oline and dline instead through FA. And let jj do his thing
Absolutely not we need to keep Darnold. He is playing as good as any quarterback in the league rn, we would be stupid to let him go
@@chocktaebolanca757 yea he placing good because he has talent and getting coached up. why not play the man who clearly has more talent and needs reps and to be coached up lmaoooo we going pay him and lose other ppl instead of building
@@deeswagg21 Darnold was taken number 3 overall in his draft and is only 28. If you think McCarthy is going to produce numbers even semi close to Darnold if he starts next year you are either insane or don’t know anything about football. JJ is our future but Darnold is better right now
@@chocktaebolanca757 lmao he literally was going take the job from sam when whole time he was drafted to sit until he was ready, clearly he more talented . his injury has like a 97 percent recovery rate with no lingering affects so yes ill take the 21 year old who showed he was more talented and could be coached up the same way sam was. LMAO whole reason to not getting a high paid qb was to do what they doing this season , if we didnt have jj rookie contract we wouldnt even have sam or van or cashman or others lmao
@ JJ was never going to start this season, idk how so many people forget that. Also I’m done responding to you
Do what the packers did with Jordan Love. McCarthy is a better talent than love was coming out of college. How about we actually practice what we preach and actually develop a young QB instead of shipping him off. Based on ONE year of quality play from a former top ten pick. I like Sam Darnold and I love that he's proven to be the player that the scouts said he could be. But JJ is the guy KOC picked. And I trust that
no because then the packers had to pay him as soon as he played. yall forget jj wasnt supposed to start but he was forsure taking the spot from sam before he got hurt, all he need is reps
@@deeswagg21 you're gonna have to pay a QB at some point anyway. Why is everyone so obsessed with getting cheap QB play? I'm not saying it's not an advantage. But having a QB on a rookie deal shouldn't be your number one priority. Look around the league all of the teams competing for a Super Bowl have good quarterback's none of them are rookies and they aren't playing for free. Securing game winning QB play is the most Important thing. Let the GM manage the cap just like all other good teams and well ran organizations do
@ lmao that literally was the number one priority because they would’ve kept Kirk and let Jj sit under him if that was the case ? ….lmao that’s literally how they got Sam , that’s how they got van , u pay Sam 30-40 u lose a lot of that flexibility u have ….plus Jj been sitting for a year already ..at that point it would be just reps especially with how he played in camp and preseason he clear as day as a feel for the game 😂…a lot of teams are in cap hell and playing to be put out first round .. I mean no shit most rookies are going be drafted into bad situations , it’s a reason jj even said every rookie wanted to play for the Vikings 😂
I would really like to keep Darnold and JJ McCarthy... what we font really need is Daniel Jones... no offense to DJ, I believe he is a nice guy and he killed us in that playoff game, but i feel we are adding a bunch of silly stuff we don't need... its all extra and more money to pay out...
Invest it better and on o-line...
I need help from the skolmmunity. There is a song called "Big Man Blastoise" that is an earworm, but I would like it to say "Big Sam Darnold" or "Big Man Darnold".....thanks
No
I saty you give Darnold a 2-3 year extension and let Mcarthy sit. It worked for Rodgers, Love, Mahomes, etc. give the kid time to sit and learn
Holy cow. I came here to make the exact same comment but you beat me to it. Rodgers sat for 3 years before starting.
Then have to pay him after a one year performance like the packers did. Right
@ if you go for 3, yes.
Mahomes only sat for one year
Let KOC groom JJ for a couple years and learn properly..... sign Sam to a 2 year extension..
DUMB
4:47 If the Vikings offer Darnold the Baker Mayfield deal, I GUARANTEE he will take it.
He knows full well the teams available out there may have the cash but not the environment for him to thrive in. So unless the Rams are in play (and Stafford retires), I can see him taking this deal and that's IF Kwesi offers it.
KAM should have been smart enough as finance guy to at least use the leverage they had to get a $15-20 million option for a second year from Sam. Sam wanted to be here and would have easily agreed to that. That would have allowed us to trade him without having to franchise him. KAM's biggest weakness is that he is in love with players from high-profile programs. His first year, all he needed to do was draft Tyler Linderbaum. If he had done that, our line would be solid up the middle and the offense would be the best in the league.
Unless we get a sweet heart deal like when the Vikings traded for Hershel Walker accept the other way. 3 firsts? any one?
You got what you were supposed to get Bluesman! Ain’t nothin’ as good as we want it to be! But dat ain’t no reason to break a deal.
I’m so sick of seeing people talk about the rookie contract. Getting a QB on the cheap is an added benefit but not the main goal. The goal is to find a stud QB. Paying him isn’t the problem. It’s paying someone like Kirk top 5 money to get top 15 production. So do we let JJ walk in 4 years cuz he’ll cost a lot of money?
But the idea of trading Sam isn’t??? Niners have been doing what the community wants for 3 years and no chip and now they have to pay him!!
I don’t know how anyone can predict that JJ is going to be a great QB without taking an NFL snap. I believe that durability is the best ability. JJ has already had surgery at 21 years old. Darnold wasn’t given the starting job, he earned it, and was going to start this season over JJ even if he didn’t get injured. Darnold is 27 years old, and has had an incredible season (so far). Sure our offensive talent is a big part of his success, but he’s proven he can do the job. JJ has great potential, but still has no body of NFL work. I’d never let Darnold walk, and sign him for a two year deal in the neighborhood of 60 million. Let JJ sit, he missed his entire rookie season. On a separate note, Jefferson will have a big say in who he wants throwing him the ball, and it seems like he’s gotten comfortable with Darnold. Keep both on the roster, but if opportunity knocks, and heavy draft capital is offered for JJ, I’d give it consideration, especially since we have none for the 2025 draft.
There's not gonna be a heavy draft capital for JJ coming off an injury. Maybe a high 2nd at best but don't expect anything like multiple firsts. But I'm sure opportunity will come knocking.
Most QBs drafted early end up falling far short of expectations. Letting go of the guy who lead Vikings to 11-2 for an unproven guy would be nasty work
It’s nice to have options. I’d hate to be the giants whose options are rookie or free agency.
I love when Charch gets exposed for being a fraudulent “expert”
Great quote I heard from a skit, yeah that's Sam Darnold, but you don't know what you're going to get with JJ McCarthy. Maybe he's a Sam Darnold.
That’s not the point at all. The point is not paying a ton on QB so the entire team can excel. If Darnold wants to take 20 mil or less, then bring it on! If not, bye!
Fantastic Friday! SKOL! 🏈💜💛
Stupid monologue whose talking about trading McCarthy
Let’s just trade everyone and re sign Josh Dobbs… the media probably
Darnold should exit. He’s looking for a team that wants him as the future, i.e. “all in on him.” As it’s been said, KOC is dubbed JJ as the future.
It would not be simpatico for Darnold or the Vikings to extend their association.
If Twolves Tim Connely was their GM he'd send JJ andour first picks for the next 3 years for a 35 year tight end.
Let Darnold walk and start JJ McCarthy and have Daniel Jones as the back up.
JJ, Vanilla Vick/Mullens or a third back-up QB would be just fine next year.
We need Darnold and McCarthy for at least another year or two.
The reason JJ would fetch multiple 1st rounders is the same reason why the Vikings should keep him....Talent Leadership
I would trade him for 3 ones... no other reason to even begin entertaining letting him walk this soon
Edit: start the bidding at 3 ones
@@deadturtle007 i would only entertain that if one of those "ones" include the 1st overall pick to take Arch Manning 2 or 3 years from now. Otherwise good luck finding an as good or better QB prospect than JJ McCarthy in the next 3 years.
@SincerelyJnC yeah, that definitely matters for value. We used a top 10 pick, definitely need something better than what we spent because otherwise there is no reason to sell yet.
I prefer JJ long term. Tag and trade Darnold. But if offered a top three pick this year and an additional 1 and 3 is offered you have to think about it.
less than 50% of 1st round QB's are average. If they can afford it keep darnold. March should be interesting
I trust Kwesi and KOC to make the right decision
Every SYSTEMS needs a good QUARTERBACK. LET HIM GO and Let Danny DIMES TAKE OVER BUILD HIS CAREER UP. 26 J.M. TIME AND FOREVER AND FOREVER. IT'S THE SYSTEMS.
Let him sit for 2 more years. Sam's earned it. Our fans will turn on JJ too soon 😂 if he doesn't turn out
Offer sam a 2 year team friendly deal if he doesn't take it franchise tag him for one year. Boom!
I’m calling a tag + friendly trade to the 49ers now.
if anything it would probably be the rams lol the 49ers are in cap hell
Why is this even a thought? Tf?!
The dxmb idea is just to let sam go and expect him to put the sam numbers as sam. But hey I'm a jets fan id love for him to come back but I think he fits the vikings the best still.
The Jabronies are talking shit to get in Mericas head, because they were (All) wrong. They want Vikes to sign him so if he has a mediocre game they can poo on them for signing. Let season play out and don't let hypothetical bullshit cloud your mind. Enjoy the ride!!
You need an above average QB to win a SB period yeah it’s happened in the past but not often!!
Browns had cheap QB no SB
Niners cheap QB no SB
Look I get that having a QB on a rookie deal is great.. but tbh I'd rather just have a QB that we can depend on to win us games.. Sign Darnold to short three year reasonable QB deal and do not grant him a no trade clause. Let JJ develop and then trade Darnold when McCarthy is 100000% ready to go. Will you have to pay soon ? Yeah probably but like I said I just want a damn good QB
That wouldnt make sense because then u would have to cut back on other assets we wouldnt be able to keep ppl like van and cashman or add more ppl lol and if we could add ppl that would give us a short window with them
@ if what you're saying is true that means teams who have a quality that they are paying. Can't field a good team to compete for a Super Bowl. We know that's not true
@@MichaelRucker-ns5po why do u keep mentioning what other teams are doing ? lol what other team is built like the Vikings lol yall acting like jj just got hurt and didn’t take advantage of the time he got to sit 😂 yall acting like this offseason jj wasn’t up there or wasn’t debatably better than Sam . Sam is balling because although he got talent he was coached up and had the chance to learn from his mistakes in game 😂 why do yall wanna strip jj of that and turn him into some practice qb 😂
Lets.make Danny Dimes a stud so the Giants can trade picks back to us for him 😆
Kewasi is to money ball to pay Sam
My opinion is all based on the playoffs, if Sam plays well in the playoffs we 100000% have to keep him, but if he doesn’t perform then move on
It would be his first ever playoff start. Most QBs struggle a little the first time in the playoffs
If folks think McCarthy can play at the same level as Darnold, you are dreaming. McCarthy played in what 1 pre season game against who? Sorry, McCarthy is an unknown. It isn't no where near trading Babe Ruth. McCarthy doesn't have the same QB make up as Darnold, his arm strength isn't like Darnolds,
I agree. I’m fully on the trade McCarthy train if Sam takes us to the nfc championship. Super Bowl windows don’t come around often. It would be typical Vikings to not take advantage of this opportunity and build the best possible team we can because we have the best backup in the league sitting behind our 26 year old franchise qb. Like bro if it’s a high first round pick and a star player or a 2026 first round pick. That’s a hell of a return for a team that is competing for a Super Bowl
You’re right! We also should bring Kirk back and pay him 200 mil guaranteed. Lol
I think the coaching staff knows more about both of those guys than you do. If KOC says JJ is the guy then I believe him. You spent a top ten pick on the kid, see what you have before you ship him off..resign Darnold to a short and fair deal and allow JJ to develop. He's so young
McCarthy will never be in the same category as Brady! Real dumb comment! The only thing they have in common is they both played at Michigan.