Paragons are only really optimal in bosses because of their massive boss damage boosts. The biggest reason to use them in freeplay is the smoother gameplay, as this video also showed.
@@LeDoctorBonesif you have unlimited money paragons are still better in terms of damage/area of footprint, they just aren't as good at challenges like these
@@LeDoctorBones for space saving reasons paragons are better. the amount of space 22 ninjas take up is a lot more than a tsg and that doesn't account for support. It is stronger than all paragons but it may not be worth it.
as someone who as made it past round 300 in chimps, your final strategy was almost optimal, however there were some things to be improved on. a lot of the towers that you got were pretty useless like spirit of the forest and ujug (i do know that you were trying to go for APM so i guess that and the crossbow masters can slide) but the biggest thing is get more ninjas. bloonjitsus only cost around 3k each under temple discount, and they do similar dps to a lot of tier 5s when they have 20 shinobi stacks. the last big tower that is a huge game changer is grand sabo, as it is almost crucial for slows and reducing bad hp. even though the goal was 300, with a million dollars and a perfect setup, probably round 350 or even late 300s is possible
Yeah, that Grand Sabo skip is honestly huge. My bad I might do a part 2 with better paragons. And I could make the non-paragon run better using this too
@@Hbomb no paragons is way better. check out the current chimps WR for setup inspiration. I did your challenge here myself but without any abilities at all and I also used ninjas. working on making a simple video out of that rn
1. wdym "almost optimal". sorry HBomb but that really wasnt close to being optimal. closer than the paragon setups but still very far away. 2. I'd wager r400 is possible but I dont expect that from HBomb cuz you'd really need to know what you're doing with the setup. and no front, but HBomb simply doesnt have the freeplay experience to pull that off.
If you want to make the recording less blurry, increase the bitrate in your recording, and after editing, set the video resolution to 4K when exporting, and upload that to youtube. Even though technically there's no extra detail, because we'll be able to watch it in fake 4k, yt gives it more bitrate and so is less blurry Try it out!
Hey! Try a step up of this challenge, see how long you can last with the base Sandbox Mode health / money! I think it'd be cool to see how long 10 million heath can get you on its own, and then on top of that, 10 million dollars.
150k + 200k worthof sacrifices being 350k +sun temple being anout 450k + the sun god being about 500k equaling about 950k while needing the anti bloon and the legend of the night.
I tried farming pops for paragons and got degree 80 glaive dominus and apm. That left just enough money for ezili, ebergizer and bma. And that only got me to round 240. Maybe with super optimal money spending it would be possible to also get a grand sabo, and I don't have max monkey knowledge such as moabs spawning partially damaged or 4 apm shots every 4th shot, but i really doubt all of that could get past 260. And that's basically the only good 2-paragon combo(except maybe if you use a degree 1 navarch or ninja paragon, which probably only leaves room for a degree 60 apm or something). So paragons really do seem out of the question. Which is kind of unfortunate. But whatever. Sentry champion is really broken when you godboost it because the buffs apply both to the turrets and the speed at which they are placed. Also grand sabo is very good. Is supermines worth it?
10:04 Honestly, I completely disagree. I actually think this is a valid and good strategy and was expecting you to do this in any of your other attempts
I'm not sure how much of a difference it could make, but why not try it with first farming as many pops as possible before paragoning? Might squeeze an extra round or two through, idk.
I bet it could make a big difference if we started on round 1 with $1,000,000 and farmed pops. Whether I could optimize it is the true question. I could make a part 2 where I do farm pops though
I would love to play more of those lategame rounds but the lag and amount of time to get there is no fun at all. Also it feels pretty unrewarding in terms of instamonkeys.
Why did you decide to buy the paragons instantly? I still don’t think any of them would have made it to round 300, but you can get a lot of extra degrees for free just by letting the towers get pops.
I debated grinding pops on them, but I didn't think I could fairly optimize each strat for that, and starting on round 1 instead of 100 would've been better, taking much more time. But now that I know this video turned out cool (imo), I could make a sequel where I do farm pops
This is real proof that NK don't really care about balance. At all. All the buffs and nerfs, honestly, mostly nerfs. But just look at the TSG and VTSG. They're waaay more expensive than most paragons, more complicated and harder to deal with and yet, they are several times weaker than the weakest, cheapest paragons. It's no doubt an absolute failure. And paragons have been around for ever now. And they still don't give a flying shit (funny because of monkey throwing it) bout it.
bro what are you waffling about? VTSG is far far stronger than any degree 100 paragon. because well... buffs... a max buffed VTSG can easily reach the lower 300s.
TSG just does not function at low budget what are you yapping about,if we have 2M budget the result would be way different VTSG has the highest cap in the game, it's just not cost efficient until a certain budget
That’s not the challenge. He wants to go as far as possible without using more than 1 million gold. So farming would be against the rules (against the challenge)
Challenge Code if you want to give it a try: ZFFCGFE
this better not be tomorrows advanced challenge
@@chjicken8488Lmao
@@chjicken8488imagine 😂😂😂
On round 270 rn taking a break for the night bc it’s late as hell
Thanks
Easy just place Quincy I'm sure nothing will get pass his bow
Simple logic, really.
Nothing gets past his bow but sadly alot of things go past his arrows
@@Orca_Warrior”What do you mean nothing gets past my bow” -Quincy
Me when top comment is always about quincy and nothing getting past his bow
hes my pookie
I find it satisfying that the best defence wasn't even a paragon
Paragons are only really optimal in bosses because of their massive boss damage boosts. The biggest reason to use them in freeplay is the smoother gameplay, as this video also showed.
@@LeDoctorBonesif you have unlimited money paragons are still better in terms of damage/area of footprint, they just aren't as good at challenges like these
@@LeDoctorBones for space saving reasons paragons are better. the amount of space 22 ninjas take up is a lot more than a tsg and that doesn't account for support. It is stronger than all paragons but it may not be worth it.
Paragons are still great in freeplay. Especially ninja and boat. Boats hooks in two fbads and ninja makes bloons spawn with less hp
Same. I love that the best strat was the Sun Temple
I love that without projectiles, the spactories look like they just spawn nothing
Lmao, same. I had to go by the insane jumps in damage to know when something hit the Perma Spike 🤣
as someone who as made it past round 300 in chimps, your final strategy was almost optimal, however there were some things to be improved on. a lot of the towers that you got were pretty useless like spirit of the forest and ujug (i do know that you were trying to go for APM so i guess that and the crossbow masters can slide) but the biggest thing is get more ninjas. bloonjitsus only cost around 3k each under temple discount, and they do similar dps to a lot of tier 5s when they have 20 shinobi stacks. the last big tower that is a huge game changer is grand sabo, as it is almost crucial for slows and reducing bad hp. even though the goal was 300, with a million dollars and a perfect setup, probably round 350 or even late 300s is possible
Yeah, that Grand Sabo skip is honestly huge. My bad
I might do a part 2 with better paragons. And I could make the non-paragon run better using this too
@@Hbomb no paragons is way better. check out the current chimps WR for setup inspiration. I did your challenge here myself but without any abilities at all and I also used ninjas. working on making a simple video out of that rn
1. wdym "almost optimal". sorry HBomb but that really wasnt close to being optimal. closer than the paragon setups but still very far away.
2. I'd wager r400 is possible but I dont expect that from HBomb cuz you'd really need to know what you're doing with the setup. and no front, but HBomb simply doesnt have the freeplay experience to pull that off.
I would bribe that 1.000.000$ to bloons so they decide to not attack
Woah. I wonder if they take bribes
Smart
Very Smart
You should try not getting the paragon for a couple rounds for pops to get a slightly better degree
I did debate doing that. Honestly, I could probably make a 2nd video with that strat
@@Hbomb do it 🤓⌚
@@HbombDo it 😂
@@Hbomb I would watch the hell out of that video
If you want to make the recording less blurry, increase the bitrate in your recording, and after editing, set the video resolution to 4K when exporting, and upload that to youtube.
Even though technically there's no extra detail, because we'll be able to watch it in fake 4k, yt gives it more bitrate and so is less blurry
Try it out!
when Hbomb said "Final Harmonic" my brain said "Harmonic Convergence" because avatar is my favorite show
My brain said Harmonic Series cause my brain is rotted from maths
My brain said harmonic oscillator because I'm a physics major.
my brain said final harmonic because he said final harmonic
3:55 So thats where the rouge bullets that gave Captain Churchill his scar
Lol. Those would be tough to dodge. I don't blame him for getting scraped
The free dart monkey did 99% of the damage💀
Facts
Dart monkey carried
Facts
You dont even need a million dollars. Quincy solos everything as NOTHING gets past his bow
Facts. I didn't want to use that OP strat though
Nothing gets past Quincy us bow, but sadly a lot of things get past his arrows.
8:25 "We got close" 💀
Lmao. There was a closer attempts where we got down to like 2 of them
@@Hbomb*attempt
in glave dominus we trust🗣🔥🔥🔥
We love the GD!
Hey! Try a step up of this challenge, see how long you can last with the base Sandbox Mode health / money! I think it'd be cool to see how long 10 million heath can get you on its own, and then on top of that, 10 million dollars.
Ah yes my favorite strategy a sun temple with tier 5 towers worshiping it
U should’ve also used an unstable concoction and total transformation for ur shinobis
I think you can get a VTSG on 1-2-tree
150k + 200k worthof sacrifices being 350k +sun temple being anout 450k + the sun god being about 500k equaling about 950k while needing the anti bloon and the legend of the night.
I'm confused, what increases your paragons degree? The amount of monkeys or cash used?
I tried farming pops for paragons and got degree 80 glaive dominus and apm. That left just enough money for ezili, ebergizer and bma. And that only got me to round 240. Maybe with super optimal money spending it would be possible to also get a grand sabo, and I don't have max monkey knowledge such as moabs spawning partially damaged or 4 apm shots every 4th shot, but i really doubt all of that could get past 260. And that's basically the only good 2-paragon combo(except maybe if you use a degree 1 navarch or ninja paragon, which probably only leaves room for a degree 60 apm or something). So paragons really do seem out of the question. Which is kind of unfortunate. But whatever. Sentry champion is really broken when you godboost it because the buffs apply both to the turrets and the speed at which they are placed. Also grand sabo is very good. Is supermines worth it?
You should try doing this, but you farm until a certain round and THEN do this
With just a small loan of a million dollars, I made it to round 999 easily
you could try to get pops on the paragon before actually upgrading it with left pver money
I thought about it. But I wasn't sure if I could consistently optimize each run to make them fair. I could do a part 2 of this where I try though
Bro he got pissed when he called those bads “fat purple whales”
Lmao 🤣
10:04 Honestly, I completely disagree. I actually think this is a valid and good strategy and was expecting you to do this in any of your other attempts
If you used sentry champion for the last one it would be even easier that’s like the best free play tower other than sun temple and VTSG
Rip. I should've replaced the Xbows with that... Next time
I'm not sure how much of a difference it could make, but why not try it with first farming as many pops as possible before paragoning? Might squeeze an extra round or two through, idk.
I bet it could make a big difference if we started on round 1 with $1,000,000 and farmed pops. Whether I could optimize it is the true question. I could make a part 2 where I do farm pops though
@@Hbomb If it wouldn't be torture for ya (:V)b
I would’ve replaced spirit of the forest and some other towers with a M.A.D
I would love to play more of those lategame rounds but the lag and amount of time to get there is no fun at all. Also it feels pretty unrewarding in terms of instamonkeys.
Yeah. Anything after 200 is pretty brutal
I think NK might intentionally keep the reward so low, so that people dont feel like they have to suffer through the lag for good rewards.
Wow you are the master
Couldn’t you have let the boomerangs t5’s get pops to get a higher level?
12:49 you meant master bomber, not master builder
Oops
why when I try to get to a high round with 3 paragons and teir 5s I make it to round 200 but he gets to round 300?
It might be the difficulty or just placements. I was on easy
Can you remake the best crosspath for every tower video, please?
I will add it to the list! Idk if I'll do it, but I can look over how many have changed and if it's worth re-doing a 2025 version
Time to get to round 300 with the least cash possible.
Now that is a good idea.... let me write that down quick
@@Hbomb somebody in MackanRules' discord already did it with 500k so... competition is fierce XD
Why did you decide to buy the paragons instantly?
I still don’t think any of them would have made it to round 300, but you can get a lot of extra degrees for free just by letting the towers get pops.
The three t5 monkeys would just die lol. Round 100+ too strong for them
I debated grinding pops on them, but I didn't think I could fairly optimize each strat for that, and starting on round 1 instead of 100 would've been better, taking much more time. But now that I know this video turned out cool (imo), I could make a sequel where I do farm pops
Mackan about to mess with this lol also you should have used the lotn trick to push one round futher every single time
Lmao, well hopefully he gets a good vid/short out of it :)
Or at least a good chuckle
@@Hbomb we talked in his dc about it. he probably wont do anything with this. he left it to us, his community, lol. lazy ass XD
The paragons could be higher levels
This is real proof that NK don't really care about balance. At all. All the buffs and nerfs, honestly, mostly nerfs. But just look at the TSG and VTSG. They're waaay more expensive than most paragons, more complicated and harder to deal with and yet, they are several times weaker than the weakest, cheapest paragons.
It's no doubt an absolute failure. And paragons have been around for ever now. And they still don't give a flying shit (funny because of monkey throwing it) bout it.
Mabye they are working on a fox behind the scenes?
bro what are you waffling about? VTSG is far far stronger than any degree 100 paragon. because well... buffs... a max buffed VTSG can easily reach the lower 300s.
TSG just does not function at low budget what are you yapping about,if we have 2M budget the result would be way different
VTSG has the highest cap in the game, it's just not cost efficient until a certain budget
Super deflation
Is there a lore reason why the plasma monkey fan club packing heat?
Yes
@@Hbomb tell me
Me and my friend made it to round 305 we could beat it but there’s too much lag
Noice. And yeah, the lag gets so bad that I don't really go past 300
This is an amazing achievement, I'm now wondering if this is possible in a normal game?
should be, farms go crazy
this comment makes.... no sense. like wdym "in a normal game"?
@@Lt_Koro not challenge editor
Yes, 300 should be pretty easy. I did this all without a single failed round
@@rudysarmiento8700 but you cant have 1 million as deflation in a normal game. The whole point of this challenge is that you cant get any more money
faster track
i imagine no one is even going to attempt the challenge
I did and i won
I don't imagine many people will try it, but I thought it was cool to show. I didn't expect to beat round 300 :)
@@miomirilic5322If you won then why does the challenge have zero winners 😂
I did it without using any abilities so... its not that hard to do lol
@Lt_Koro its not hard anyway. its just that it takes a lot of time
Bruh it is possible without any Paragon bruh
Bruh yea no shit he literally did it in the video bruh
Quincy 🙄
Quincy was banned for this because he's too op
Engigon
We love the Engigon!
But we'll never forget the OG Sentry Paragon
Damn 😊
😊
@ Never could I have expected you to comment 😊
Just farm bro
That’s not the challenge. He wants to go as far as possible without using more than 1 million gold. So farming would be against the rules (against the challenge)
Just watch the video bro
How exactly do you want to farm in deflation? 8:35
@@nightmyares1214erm acualy it is not gold it is money🤓
@ oh my bad I wasn’t sure how it was called 🥲
@@nightmyares1214 nah it is fine
Hey Hbomb I rlly like btd6 but I can't buy it bec 1 dollar in my currency is 75 pounds so can u pls buy me btd6?
Pweaseeee
can you make a video playing other td games for once? if you will then please checkout TDX.
hi
Hi
@@Hbomb Yay you replied
I'm actually early and I'm not even subbed, that's crazy
Try using ai to beat your previous record 😂😂
Dang I don't ever think we were this early
Huge. We love to see it
22 min ago and early
Early
why am i so early chat
Idk, but nice
35 seconds ago is crazy
Noice!
Late???😅
Very late
364 views in 15 minutes bro fell off 🔥
facts
16 views in 2 minutes bro fell off
20 subscribers in 2 years, bro fell off
I didn't even make videos 2022 I just watched