This is What Happens When a Charging Cable Company Makes a NAS.
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One space I think that really needs some more competition is the NAS space. So, UGreen has decided to throw their hat into the ring... and it sure is far from perfect.
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UPDATE:
1: After some discussion with Ugreen, it appears they WILL honor their hardware warranty if you use another Operating System. It is still not a supported use case though. They want you to use their own OS, and will NOT provide tech support for issues third party operating systems. - There were rumors regarding lack of warranty with another OS, but I am glad to hear they'll keep you covered hardware wise.
2: The NAS HAS been produced, and WILL be for sale at the end of May. They're telling me the Kickstarter is for consumer feedback and communication prior to launch.
3: With the $5 deposit: "This deposit will be refunded in full at the end of the crowdfunding campaign, regardless of whether or not purchase NAS, but guarantees that you will get 40% off at any time during crowdfunding."
4: Docker and VMs are planned for release in April. - There wasn't a set release date before so glad to see that.
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>Preinstalled torrenting software
>But doesnt support VPNs
Could have been great for beginners if planning wasn't literally backwards.
@@AgalmicAutomataWell... torrenting doesn't NEED a VPN...
@@Facade866You don't
i thought a charging cable company is meant as an ISP or TV provider and expected they sell rebranded NAS hardware along with your internet/TV subscription, but then again i'm not native english speaking -_-"
Software on a pre-build NAS is everything, if your OS sucks ass nobody cares about the great hardware. That's why Synology is dominating the market imo.
Synology dominating the market while almost all of their software is subpar compared to open-source alternatives perfectly represents their user base. I'm still waiting for the day when a NAS brand doesn't spend unnecessary development time on features that will be much worse than their open-source counterparts.
@@th3r3v92If you are waiting for everyone to do something but nobody is going it, your expectations might be the problem and not what everyone else is doing.
@@th3r3v92 SHR is still something non trivial and not OOTB outside Synology, and it's a neat feature.
SHR is the main reason I wouldn’t give mine up, plus I already have one?? Replacing it makes really no sense
Let’s agree to disagree. You can have a great and cheap hardware and just need to install truenas/unraid there.
There is a setting in UEFI you have to turn off so it doesn't restart when it's not detecting default OS running.
Advanced > WatchDog Settings > WatchDog Control > Disabled
That's what I get for posting before watching whole video ... you found it :D
And you don't have to remove the SSD, it is enough to rename EFI folder on it to get to UEFI.
I think I will purchase the 8 bay version but no way I will use their software. I am banking on the fact that I will be able to run unRAID on it. Where would I rename the EFI folder so that I don't have to remove the SSD? Once I rename the folder will it jump into the BIOS automatically on restart?
@@noober09 pretty sure you can access it via the terminal
Thanks for this. I was going mad trying to getting a different OS to install. Wasted hours of my life. Turning off watchdog did it.
@@noober09I think it's pretty cool that out of the box they have an AI that doesn't require the internet so you can look up pictures with keywords. Does unraid have that?
@@noober09 you find the EFI partition and change the name to whatever, then you can disable the watchdog and install something else on that SSD
For me, it gives the impression that they are trying to cover two totally different markets at the same time. There are the "OS is a must!!!" type of guys who, as you mentioned, don't even want to install something on a USB. Then, there's the other segment who dislike underpowered or overpriced solutions like Synology, but love good hardware, and their first question is often "Can I wipe the SSD and install TrueNAS?"
To be honest, the cheapest solution is priced (at least during the Kickstarter campaign) like a Beelink EQ12. If it had 2x2.5G LAN, I would probably buy three and build a simple cluster from it, just for luls. Three N100 nodes with 2x3.5" HDD + 2 NVMe each? That would be a pretty cool Proxmox cluster! :D
The kickstarter is almost certainly aimed at showing investors that there is a demand for these products. They're going to take a loss on any units sold via Kickstarter but that's fine because they'll make it up with both investor funding and the profit margins from those sold after the kickstarter discount is over. The first generation is basically going to be a wash money-wise intended purely to get their name into the prebuilt NAS market. The 2nd and 3rd generations I expect to be both cheaper as a whole, and the "real" products that they're intending to sell at MSRP.
What makes the NAS completely obsolete for me is that they want to force you to use their own OS. And if you install anything other, they void your warranty. So yeah, I'm sticking with my Dell Optiplex. Great Review anyway. You actually showed what i wanted to do with this. Keep it up.
And how many hot-swap 3.5" bays your optiplex has exactly? And how big is it? I also wonder how would they know? You can always go back to their OS image just as easily.
you could always build your own NAS on your Optiplex using OpenMediaVault. I must say that even though I'm of pretty much the same mindset to you, I've been using a Synology NAS since 2013 that runs their in-house linux distro, I would give Synology a big thumbs up for the way their ecosystem works. I've never felt constrained by proprietary nonsense in the slightest.
Any differences referring to synology n qnap, if not, any double std?
they don't
Bro, you're better off with Dell Compellant or a budget PowerVault.
They never take a loss when discounting, never. But to servive they need the margins to fund the next development and the support for the sold products.
Also when was the last time something on Amazon was sold at "MSRP"? I've only interacted with UGreen through Amazon and there's usually a permanent -20% discount
I kinda like it, hardware wise at least. Let me throw the OS I want on it and it could be a nice quiet backup server all day.
i freakibng LOVE STORAGE SOLUTIONS AND ENGAGEMENT
3:16 They actually did a Q&A session with another TH-camr on this. According to them-- As they are just entering the NAS space, they wanted to scout demand and advertise using space available that crowdfunding sites offer to emerging tech. Two their software still has issues (and people are significantly more forgiving towards a crowd-funded early release product vs a product launched into retail), and the reason why they went with a customized fork of Debian instead of barebones is that they don't want to be sucked into offering tech support to every software configuration edge case.
I think the reason for the 40% discount is because NAS in general are very high margin products. The competition is also asking for a lot of rupees. I think this is because there is a relatively small amount of people actually considering buying a prebuilt NAS. Those same people generally know stuff about building computers. If anyone reading this comment wants a NAS and know how to tinker with custom pcs, you might consider building your own.
Definitely interested in something like this for family and friends that ask for a cheap NAS that just want something that'll store family photos that they don't have to kerfuddle with Synology's crazy HDD practices. Guess the kickstarter is so Ugreen can steal Synology's homework when it comes to the UI.Either way, loved the video. Gonna go back and watch the rest of your stuff because your editing is on point and you're not drawing things out to feed the algorithm.
With Kickstarter they don't actually have any obligation to deliver anything, if something goes wrong with production. Stuff like warranty might also be handled differently. It also serves as a form of advertising, with Kickstarter listing top selling projects at the top.
I'd bet its significantly harder (if not explicitly banned) to return or get refunds through kickstarter too, if they do ship you a unit and it ends up DOA.
Compared to Synology crap, the hardware is actually solid. The OS is half backed but it is running on Debian so it has a solid foundation. I think if they take care of the jank and allow you to run it as a Plex server instead of trying to develop their own system, it will fulfil the needs for a lot of people
Fantastic rundown and tear down vid! So happy TH-cam served this to me, you’ve gained a new subscriber! I saw how there was a social media marketing push for this, but I ignored all the other videos and for some reason decided to watch yours because you had a pretty catchy title. I’m really glad I did. You went through things that other TH-camrs obviously wouldn’t. You did things that most people would never do, and now I know that while yes this is a pretty slickly built little machine, it’s not for me.
As someone who would never buy a premade NAS, preffer TrueNAS, this might be something I would look into in the future as a "hardware only" option.
So, really hope they keep it unlocked... Think with the cost of good NAS cases, CPUs,RAM and MOBO... THIS might be a great option for both new to NAS people and those looking to grow into fully customizable software builds.
But hey, odds are they want the tracking software intact, will lock it down and fail to sell very many..... corporate mentality vs reality.
I supposed them making their own OS would broaden the appeal for more people than just the enthusiasts who would just install their own OS to it, thus increasing revenues/profits.
Ugreen is pretty well entrenched in SE Asia, so I am looking forward to seeing those boxes on shopping platforms soon enough.
You're officially in the big leagues now.
It's waytoofuckingexpensive.
That being said, the *platform* is actually dope.
Upgradable Ram, SSDs, video out, 4 bays, a decent processor and a 10gb port? Yes!?
But not for that many money. That's too many money.
Pretty much exactly my thoughts lol
The problem is that there really are no alternatives. x86 based boxes from the likes of synology or qnap cost way more. The only other thing are Topton/Aoostar R1 (and all it's rebrands) systems, which are only 2 bay and all plastic.
They are super cheap when you look at comparable spec NAS's synology for example ds1621+ worse cpu, less ram, no ssd and $300 more than the dxp6800pro
Qnap tvs-h674 Similar cpu, older i5 but still i5, more ram, no ssd and $1400 than the dxp6800pro. The Ugreen unit has better specs for significantly less money than the popular alternatives. can't compare NAS prices to PC prices.
@@xqr2911 Aoostar is (supposedly) going to come out soon with a 6-bay NAS box with a Ryzen 7000 CPU and 10GbE and 2.5GbE and an all metal shell. You provide the OS. Sounds promising, but that depends on the price.
If this is expensive to you, you don’t need a NAS.
Love your approach to these
Kickstarter these days feels less about raising capital to do the thing, and more marketing of the thing we are going to make anyway
Man the quality of the videos comapred to the amount of subs is insane. Good job, keep it up!
Thank you! Trying my best with what I got haha
I'm in the UK, it's now only available in the US and Germany for the Kickstarter. Because of that, with no idea when it will really be available worldwide I'll probably go for a Terramaster. For a company with no history in the NAS space those Kickstarter prices will, I believe, be near the selling prices, their RRP pricing isn't competitive.
Thanks for this, I've been holding off on my video until the docker support comes out.
I'm planning a followup with docker, total game changer for their software IMO. I think they should have delayed everything until they had docker/VMs personally
Good review. I'll consider this one if I will ever need a NAS.
These types of kickstarters are my favorite. The company has already produced the product and just need the capital to ramp up manufacturing and marketing. Whereas the kickstarters where nothing has been done except for 3D mockups, you never know if it actually will deliver.
As somebody who has built already 4 systems with Intel N100(2 for myself), got to say that even their “40% kickstarter” supposed price cut is at least 2 times more expensive than doing it yourself and slapping TrueNAS on it.
Of course, not everybody wants to deal with assembling their own system.
It's hard/impossible to get something with the same form factor, though. The offerings from other companies have anemic hardware and similar pricing. You can slap a mini PC on a DAS for something close, but then you *may* still compromising somewhat by pushing all of the communication to the hard drives over USB. I think all but the most demanding throughput demands are probably fine over USB though.
Mind sharing your build? I found these prices extremely attractive even compared to custom builds, at least for the non-pro SKUs. Besides they look slick.
I'd love to see what you are paying for N100 boards, the cheapest I've seen that's actually available is about $120. Add in hot swap case + parts and $239+ is pretty well priced for what you are getting. If you just want an N100 mini PC then yes you can probably get something for around $150 but that's apples oranges at that point.
@@nadtz the N100 motherboards are also nearly impossible to find with 2.5Gb network adapters
i call BS on that tbh. A board is 100 to 140€. A Nice Case that looks similar like sth frm jonsbo is also 100 to 150 €. then you need bootdrive, ram and a PSU. you will pay at least 300€ for DIY. Prices with the discounts are very attractive imo. and the MSRP are probably only there to trick u into thinking u have to catch a deal NOW.
They launched NAS products in China back in 2022 so this strictly speaking is not their first attempt.
Also I heard that they have a major os update coming, hopefully it will improve their software experience
Great review
Nice vid mate
@9:30 Your WD40EFRX drives are NOT SMR, they are decent CMR drives!
IF you want the hardware, buy it, put Unraid on it, be happy. I don't think I'd want their OS but I *do* really want that hardware. It looks beautiful!
@ 9:30 you say the WD Red are SMR - the WD40EFPX is indeed CMR, and has a max 'outer' Transfer Rate of about 190 MBps - I use a few of those in my NAS. The "Plus" Models are CMR, the "non-Plus" are SMR, and the "Pro" are 7200 rpm with CMR
A neat beginner NAS is QNAP, which has been around for years, is well established, and similarly priced.
Cool video, interesting to watch, a bit weird ending. I thought you'd roast the product but you actually praised some parts of it. And for such low price, and that it can be a game server I think it's pretty good.
I put in a preorder for the all SSD one because i got a few ssd's laying around and that would be wonders for a mini virtualization box if i can get windows or unraid or proxmox on the main ssd. I really hope they keep the bios unlocked like that as while i love it for the nas, id really want it to be kept open for more
From the company that released IN 2023(!!!) not one, but two USB DAS boxes based on a SATA2 chipset...
Good video, i like the point comparing it against a homegrown solution. And pointing out what feels like Ugreens' selling point of this thing being easy to fire and forget.
I think comparing this against other devices in the product segement is a good way to make a decision on if you should buy it or not. Also really like using apple as a comparison here, it feels like this nas was designed like one. The specs it has are too specific so it's hard to really compare it to another NAS in the same price point, if that makes any sense.
You're not wrong about just enjoying your misadventures. I just spent $5k on a 7950x3d/proart x670/4070 ti super/64gb 6000mt/2tb samsung 990 +16tb pcie 4.0 data drives build.
That's a sweet build man!
Can it browse the internet and create word documents?
The 6 bay is actually a pretty good price for what you get (assuming you don't want to DIY) and the N100 unit's aren't too terribly overpriced (assuming you get the kickstarter price). That said the 'kickstarter for a in production item' thing seems somewhat shady and it being such a pain to put another OS on there and it being unsupported are 2 pretty big negatives. Still interesting to see another player in the off the shelf NAS market, guess we will see how they do in time.
Good video!
It's nice to see a new, hopeful competitor in the consumer NAS space, if only to keep the established brands on their toes, especially in terms of (at least optional) simplicity.
I'm really interested in this, but as with most if not all pre-built NAS solutions sporting their own proprietary operating systems, it's the price. I understand a lot of R&D and then some goes into these, but for those prices I always hold back thinking I can build my own, with similar if not better specs, and I can know and decide beforehand how customizable, repairable and upgradeable my NAS box will be. Sure, I probably won't be able to build one that looks as exceptionally nice as this one, but if that's a priority, it's a bit wrong.
Man, what is it with little boxes, chock-full of mass storage, with crazy connectivity and features that makes them seem so amazing? Purpose-built computers fascinate me. :D
That UI is VERY reminiscent of DSM. I have a basic Syno nas already deployed at my parents house, the main apps used with mine are mainly synology drive server (though they hardly use it), synology photos (is used quite heavily) and for the most part things just kinda work. mind you its used for primarily for file access in my case and on the local side smb is used with netatalk to advertise a time capsule for a macbook that lives on the lan. I do like these out of box solutions for when you cant be around to be a warranty for the device.
That’s a lot of “no big deal” and “but that’s ok” to maintain positivity
Listen, I know there are like, Mac users who need something that works out of the box without a lot of thinking. But if you have an old desktop tower PC (or find one on the curb or for $50), can install some number of sata drives in open internal sata ports/open drive bays, and you can follow instuctions to install a OS (I sometimes use a quality usb thumb drive to boot from), then your cost is pretty much down to the drives you put in it! Trunas is easy. It is better for keeping old tech out of the landfill a little longer too, that makes YOU green. And keeps quite a bit of green in YOU pocket too:-)
The fact that you didn't mention the main competitor of this product is insane, Synology. Someone who is buying this is not going to be building their own server and installing TrueNAS/unRAID/OME, they just want something that turns on and works.
I have about three used HP workstations that I use to mess around with home lab stuff. Yes I could build one as a True NAS servers, but to be honest I've been looking for a compact and more power efficient way for storage, and this just thing came up just in time. At the discounted price I'm willing to take a bite for something more modern that looks good to boot :)
great video,
i found those price too expensive but the product look great
You should do a video comparing this product with Synology (similar/equivalent price point) mainly the available software, as well as support for 3rd party software.
Honestly it's like that cpu was made to run minecraft. The single p core is really all you need seeing as in game ticks are run on one core, which is where the heaviest workload is.
I bought one of these on a whim after waffling about what to buy for months. 6bay with Dual 10GBe and TB4 for $600 seemed like a no-brainer. QNAP's equivalent is $1800! Wasn't thinking about OS / Software ... if they'll honor the hardware warranty, TrueNAS seems like a good idea. But these don't arrive for Kickstarter backers until June so I'd be curious to see an update on how the OS is looking before then. Anyway, great vid, appreciate the straightforward and honest opinions.
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It’s easier to take that back cover off if you use those hooked tweezers you have, and hook them inside the fan grill on the top corner and lever it up, then work down and do the same thing.
Once you’ve taken this thing apart once, you can break it down a second time in about 10 minutes.
Yeah, I tried that and it didn't work, especially the first time. Mine takes a ton of pressure to pop the back off
Happy to see someone fighting for the little guy! I'm still trying to find my place in the tech world. I just want to help people and enjoy what I love for a living.
Trying to be like Synology, but from watching this video.... The OS is no way ready for Prime Time. Going from Synology to Ugreen would be like 10 steps back.
Kickstarter is definitely used as preorder with extra steps
I brought a Synology DS 920+ for about $480 about little less than 2 years ago and even though it has less than $150 worth of computer parts, the secret sauce is really the software. Maybe if Ugreen invested enough money of making a good software, they can attract more buyers, by then, the cost of developing the NAS servers will go up. Though I wish that there are better CPU's than what synology can offer.
No one in Australia has tolerated the idea of a "MSRP", re; Manufacturer's Suggested Retail Price. Such a thing is completely illegal here. Retailers set prices in Australia, otherwise the Australian Competition and Consumer Commission will have you in court.
I would rather have UGreen focus on making powerful but efficient NAS hardware that can support open source software a user would want to install on it---TrueNAS, ProxMox, OpenMediaVault, select linux distros, etc. to mention a few. Make the hardware easily accessible and user upgradable----not like how on this video where it was very difficult to get to the main boot drive.
I have two Synology NAS'es----a DS218+ and a DS1621xs+ which has been running for years without missing a beat. I think I only rebooted them once in the past 5 years and that was only when I upgraded to DSM 7. While Synology comes with great software stack and is a solid choice for NAS'es... I don't like their recent stance of forcing/annoying users to use their own Synology branded HDDs/SSDs. Synology hardware is kind of pretty dated too so I'm more than happy to see more competition in the NAS department.
One thing I'm curious though is how secure these UGreen NASes will be and how they will respond with updates when a vulnerability that affects it is discovered. 🤔
Hang off till released, its nice to say warranty wont be voided with other OS's like TrueNAS, Unraid, Open Media Vault, Promox but its currently reported that they are blocked from being installed on these review models. So you end up with their OS from somebody new to NAS's that will likely have limited apps and bugs, in other words you could spend years being a beta tester.
I almost bought one of these, but I was put off by the price plus the specs being hidden so far down the page. Fortunately, a buddy of mine was scrapping his old gaming PC, so I wiped it and am creating a NAS/minecraft server. $10 per TB is pretty solid for those enterprise drives, so I might give one a shot. Probably better than the old WD passport I bought in 2016 lmao.
Great video! Thanks for your insight
I was going to participate on their kickstarter (I've been bugged by their emails for months now) until I saw in a teeny tiny corner that people outside of the US or Germany can't pledge at all.
I don't know the reason behind it since shipping stuff to Spain should be even easier than to germany but heck off. I'll find something else instead.
Cool video 👍
I want to make my own NAS now :D
Cool comment (insert thumbs up emote)
I want to make my own videos now :D
Do the VO (please), sassy boy.
Instead of just having POP OS or some other Os on one drive you can install Ventoy on a drive and just pile in ISOs so you can boot to whatever you want whenever.
I think the main thing about the kickstarter isnt to FUND it. Its to gauge interest and be a kind of "make to order" early run. If it succeeds well enough, theyll make it a full commercial product, I'm thinking. Otherwise, it'll just be an experiment that was partially or wholly subsidized, and they'll move on.
Edit: ah, just saw thd update post~
To bad they can't figure out that these would make great home game server solutions. I know several dads and husbands that would be interested in some if that existed.
Loved the teardown, gotta give UGREEN props for potential repairability and upgrades, even if it's against their intent. nice that replacing/upgrading the fan is also an option if silence has a high preference, such as in a shared office/bedroom option. I don't like that their site lists USB speeds as "theoretical". that's just the maximum USB spec, it would be nicer if they would guarantee 5 or 10 Gbps. It's also interesting, if confusing, for the front panel to be listed as supporting thunderbolt4 on the 6800/8800 models. Can we use a standard laptop dock for additional usb/sd ports? can it hose an e-GPU?
Docker support would be wonderful if they can get it running well, and as user-friendly as the rest of their software appears to be, otherwise I'm in support of Proxmox. Would be in favor of a system setting for "reboot to bios", even if it includes a warning that your unit will no longer be supported for software warranty, only hardware failure.
Did you try is it possible to set this onboard sata controller to hba mode so you can use zfs for truenas scenario?
I like it when there's more competition in various segments of I.T. Hardware, especially in the GPU segment and NAS I'd love a dual bay one to replace my QNAP TS-233, I have a question IF I already have data on my 2 RAID 0 drives, should I migrate them drives to the new NAS with a RAID 0 config will I retain my data? or should I back the data up to a external before migrating the NAS drives to the new unit? I might upgrade my NAS to the UGREEN ones come out. I'll wait for the bugs to be fixed with the issues you mentioned in the video, the app; features etc. I use this as well as a media server, run VMs through there too.
to be honest .. the build quality and the possibility to install my own OS on there would make me buy that thing on the spot ..
if i diddnt already have a very capable solution .. i got a small xeon on a X11SSZ-TLN4F and an actual raid controller for 8 drives (4x 8TB, 4x4TB) .. and that definitely will stay with me for some more years .. and its using around 60w of power .. i wish it would use less .. but all in all 12 hard drives actually eat a lot more power than a 4 drive system will ..
You know you've got it made when you're distributing binaries via MediaFire. 😂
Honestly: If they just offered the option to roll your own OS (without disassembling the box :-P) on this thing it'd be an instant buy for me. There are really no NAS-Formfactor DIY Boxes on the Market.
To answer your question as to why this is on a kickstarter when the product is already developped and done... a lot of chinese electronics companies treat kickstarter like a preorder service. Especially in the custom mechanical keyboard community this is very much the case where western suppliers will provide local vendors with stock and chinese companies will do a preorder on kickstarter and then do general sales on their own website. Why they do that, I don't know. Perhaps they don't understand the actual purpose of kickstarter. Who knows.
Yeah, that seems to be the case for this. Seems like more of a cultural different I wasn't quite aware of.
Man I'd love to work with NAS-es for NAS things. Also I'd probably install Arch on it, btw.
Any concerns (outside the norm) with utilizing a NAS from a company based in China? Have you noted any newly-open listening ports or conducted network analysis to check if there are any unknown outbound connections from the NAS or any of your other networked-connected devices after connecting the NAS to your home network?
@aChairLeg can you please explain or better yet show somehow how exactly the backplane is connected to the MoBo ? Weird question but I have something going on my mind for a while and would love to know...
It's actually slotted into a (if i remember) regular pcie 4x slot. If you join my discord and ping me in there, i'll take photos and show you.
If they sell it without software I'll buy one, their products quality are really nice.
I think that's fairly impressive. I'm not on the market for that form factor I really don't know how the price compares, but I like what I have seen so far about those cpus. My first NAS was an Atom 330...these are many many times faster.
As someone who pays way too much for electricity in a country with one of the biggest hydroelectrics power plants..
I would think about return of investment in the power savings..
As a home user, who is just looking for something to store/archive photos, videos and also stream ripped movies from my DVDs/Blurays (using VLC to stream from a using a Chrome-based Android tv) - is this a good value proposition or should I still be looking at the Synology range?
Okay so I bought into this NAS because right now I have a cobbled together truenas box that, lets face it, is kind of a like having Kevin Hart going "What?" I will for sure, once I get mine, be changing out the operating system. Because well...TrueNAS is going to be better then whatever they have cooking. I mostly got this thing for the hardware.
I've been looking to get into the NAS / Plex server space the past few days, so in a way, I'm happy videos like these are being recommended to me...not because I want to buy this Ugreen NAS (not available in the UK anyway), But because it helps me to justify getting a job lot mini tower optiplex and some cheap high capacity hdd's, like mentioned in this video.
55 wats under load isn't bad. My 144hz "gaming" monitor draws 77.
My Jellyfin box pulls barely 30w Watts under load. 55w in this economy is kinda expensive, at least for German energy prices
Dell engineers: make everything 2mm too small.
Yeah I didn’t expect the software to be cream de la cream. If it does what I want good, then it’s good enough for the cheaper price. I’m using Infuse for all media anyway.
I don't think it's necessarily crazy expensive. But yeah, it's more expensive than a Desktop-style NAS. If I was buying a appliance-type NAS, I probably would get QNAP, Synology, etc. But seeing that I could potentially get something like this that's low power, small, and I can install TrueNAS on... Well, it's compelling. I probably shouldn't since I have a overpowered 1U box as my NAS.
@aChairLeg can you say something about the power consumption under Pop!_OS? It seems idle power consumption is very high under UGOS OS, and some people think it's because Ugreen did not implement (most of the) power saving features yet.
Extremely expensive for what they give you, at original price. Better at the discount price, just if you can change OS.
One of these might be the upgrade when I fill my ds920+, naturally would wait until the ship a lot more units and get more reviews. maybe the 6bay i5 model would be a powerhouse for plex
Wonder if you can install Synology DSM on it
There might be a watchdog circuit that "barks" and reboots the computer if it's running a custom OS that doesn't feed and pet it? Just a cursed thought, I suspect I'm wrong.
Upd: you discovered this!
The OS looks extremely similar to Synology DSM
5:00 I'm going on a limb here but, generally, when dealing with name brand stuff like that, if you need to bend, or struggle, like that with that kind of stuff that is supposed to be swappable, it generally means you are doing something wrong.
Also, how long have you been using those Exos drives? Have you noticed any issues? How many hours did they have on them when you bought them?
I recently ordered four used 16TB Exos drives for my NAS and was wondering if they'll give me headaches in the future.
I've been using exos drives of various sizes in my home nas for a few years now with no issues. TrueNAS is very picky about drive failures though, so if it detects a problem, I swap it out regardless of SMART data or whatnot. I know there was a specific model of Exos that had a high failure rate, but generally speaking they're high quality drives; they wouldn't be used as much as they are in enterprise if they weren't. Part of that is better bulk discounting iirc, but much of the seagate vs WD wars is largely falsely abstracted data from BackBlaze's reports. There's also the fact that very few homelabs or NASes will ever give as intense life cycles to any drive as you would find in BackBlaze's data centers. Its just that much more extreme an environment.
The software for this looks quite...Terramaster esque. If it is the same underlying software - beware of connecting it to the internet. I'd be curious to take a look at the software running on there to see whether it's a reskin of TOS.
Does the HDMI Port work with a custom OS installed? Or do you perhaps require the custom kernel code for it?
Nope, the HDMI port does work
Finally a nas with a higher end processor option. Time to buy and throw truenas on it. Homelabbers rejoice.
Looks like I missed the bus on getting them cheap. Guess I'll go with the old standby of retasking an old desktop instead!
Software is raw ...very raw but I'll buy one. The Kickstarter prices are cheaper than the new Terramaster F4-424. I really just need SMB
just make your own with some old pc , much cheaper
@maselitoamazigh1385 In the end it won't be cheaper since your PC uses much more power. Besides, I don't want a big ugly thing anywhere in my living room. I can out this small nas next to my modem and it will look good and cool. Its plug an play. I rather pay that 100 extra initially
@@RespectedDesperado why would your pc consume more power , if have anything that isnt acient , 6th gen intel up , u will have good idle consumption thanks to C-state which in the same tech this thing uses and its not gonna be 100 less , its free since u already have it or whatever price tag this has which is alot more than 100 , and if u really all abouy the little form factor , u can buy small case used even nas case and used hardware for cheap or even if u buy new everything it still will be same price or less from these , except u will have full freedom to use any software and most importantly u can upgrade it easly , no lockdowns
@maselitoamazigh1385 'why would your PC consume more power?'. If you don't know this simple thing then don't get into discussion. Go search it up. A NAS CPU like the N100 uses like 15 Watts max. Your normal PC CPU uses at least 5 to 10 times more than that. My PC CPU alone uses 125 Watts right now. Why do you think a normal PC uses a minimum 450 Watts PSU up to 1000 Watts for some PC's.
@@RespectedDesperado well duh new cpu , better efficiency, but my point still stands, not everyone has high energy rates , besides 6 th gen intel i5 can idle at like 10 watts and can get alot more done than lets say a 12th n100 and this extra consumption only means for most people will mean only like 15 $/€ extra a year, because most of the energy consumption comes from the drives ..
Besides u can also buy a new n100 12th gen for like 160 and a nas case with psu for like 100 add some ram for like 40
and u freaking have a completely new build for 300 with low power consumption as u wished but still keeping it completely free to be used any way u want and upgrade it too without voiding your warenty
everyone that knows 2 bits in tech knows that building these are cheaper than buying prebuilds
Does it use MDADM for the array management?
I can almost garuntee they'll be making a lot of profit per machine without the discount. It's the nature of the world right now. Budget anything that's really good, is hard to come by.
Cool product from ugreen. However, they need to stop putting roadblocks on using one's os. If I can't put trueNas on it without spending hours dismantling it to remove the boot drive, I ain't buying.
I think the SSD only variant is the far more compelling. It has a much more capable CPU, easily upgradable RAM, and presumably can swap out the OS, this this one. AFAIK there isn't any 4 drive SSD NAS's with that kind of CPU especially for a $480 price point, there are bigger SSD NAS's but mostly for a bit more money ($600+).